I thought Ted Thompson was a "Genuis" (1 Viewer)

[Alex P Keaton]

Love how drafting a player......whom everybody else passed on......somehow reflects poorly on the (smart) GM who finally drafts him....

 

[Underachievers]

Love how drafting a player......whom everybody else passed on......somehow reflects poorly on the (smart) GM who finally drafts him....

Pretty sure you are reading it wrong....but thanks for playing.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

Love how drafting a player......whom everybody else passed on......somehow reflects poorly on the (smart) GM who finally drafts him....

Pretty sure you are reading it wrong....but thanks for playing.

Uh, pretty sure that's the conclusion any intelligent person would draw.

 

[sho nuff]

Love how drafting a player......whom everybody else passed on......somehow reflects poorly on the (smart) GM who finally drafts him....

Also...if they drafted said player that everyone passed on, and it did not work. He is also not smart because he took a guy nobody else wanted.

The fact remains that Thompson has done quite well drafting his teams.

He has struggled in a few areas: first round picks for big impact..(.hurt massively by Sherrod, Harrell, and Hawk just not being the impact guy people want him to be) also Oline.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

Love how drafting a player......whom everybody else passed on......somehow reflects poorly on the (smart) GM who finally drafts him....

Also...if they drafted said player that everyone passed on, and it did not work. He is also not smart because he took a guy nobody else wanted.

The fact remains that Thompson has done quite well drafting his teams.

He has struggled in a few areas: first round picks for big impact..(.hurt massively by Sherrod, Harrell, and Hawk just not being the impact guy people want him to be) also Oline.

Yep, very fair. No dispute. It just drives me nuts when people try to twist facts to fit their story, as opposed to accepting the facts and using them to tell a story.

 

[Interseptopus]

I'd be interested to look back on the last 10 years of GMs and see who faired the best with first round picks.

I feel like some packer fans can be the biggest whiners. Very annoying, expecting very first rounder to hit. Most first rounders seem to fail for most teams.

I distinctly remember many folks on the jsonline comments stating finely was a bust after his first season, even though he was like 20 years old. Complaining about how he did so bad in that draft. Finely turned out to be a steal. Crickets from the doubters. Or maybe they moved on to the next "bust"

We lose a lot of our top guys and suddenly the sky is falling and the packers are doomed to be the Jacksonville jaguars. When's the last time one of their first round picks hit by the way?

Smh. Again, get a grip

 

[jagbag]

I'd be interested to look back on the last 10 years of GMs and see who faired the best with first round picks.

I feel like some packer fans can be the biggest whiners. Very annoying, expecting very first rounder to hit. Most first rounders seem to fail for most teams.

I distinctly remember many folks on the jsonline comments stating finely was a bust after his first season, even though he was like 20 years old. Complaining about how he did so bad in that draft. Finely turned out to be a steal. Crickets from the doubters. Or maybe they moved on to the next "bust"

We lose a lot of our top guys and suddenly the sky is falling and the packers are doomed to be the Jacksonville jaguars. When's the last time one of their first round picks hit by the way?

Smh. Again, get a grip

I wouldn't quite say he was a steal. He's had as many bad years as good.

 

[Joe Summer]

I'd be interested to look back on the last 10 years of GMs and see who faired the best with first round picks.

I feel like some packer fans can be the biggest whiners. Very annoying, expecting very first rounder to hit. Most first rounders seem to fail for most teams.

I distinctly remember many folks on the jsonline comments stating finely was a bust after his first season, even though he was like 20 years old. Complaining about how he did so bad in that draft. Finely turned out to be a steal. Crickets from the doubters. Or maybe they moved on to the next "bust"

We lose a lot of our top guys and suddenly the sky is falling and the packers are doomed to be the Jacksonville jaguars. When's the last time one of their first round picks hit by the way?

Smh. Again, get a grip

I wouldn't quite say he was a steal. He's had as many bad years as good.

Agreed. Finley was horrible in 2010.

 

[FavreAndAwayAnIdiot]

TT is a great talent evaluator, but seriously needs to revise his assessment system for offensive line prospects. That's kind of odd when it's generally considered that offensive lineman are the "safest" first round picks.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Love how drafting a player......whom everybody else passed on......somehow reflects poorly on the (smart) GM who finally drafts him....

Great job by him to take those types of players and not let them slip any farther, but it does need to be recognized that they did fall extremely low compared to thier projected status.

 

[sho nuff]

TT is a great talent evaluator, but seriously needs to revise his assessment system for offensive line prospects. That's kind of odd when it's generally considered that offensive lineman are the "safest" first round picks.

Sure, but not as safe when taking the 5th or 6th ranked tackle at the end of the first.

But agree that their evaluation of the oline has not been great over the years. improving slightly though.

 

[Sabertooth]

So, you are not impressed with the fact that 50 of the 53 players on the Packers roster (as of the beginning of Nov) had never played for another NFL team?

And any team would struggle if the majority of their top players had suffered injuries.

thats nice and all but this team has gotten worse and worse since KC ended their win streak after the Super Bowl.

 

[Kitrick Taylor]

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/gnb/draft.htm

why is it so hard to admit that this year has exposed some holes in his GM style?

Drafting players that can get hurt?

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/gnb/draft.htmgoing back to The Rodgers' draft, its not really an impressive list. And I know I'll get h@ll for this, but the reason they drafted Rodgers was because 23 other teams passed on him. Wasn't like they made some high risk trade to get him because they knew he going to be a stud, they simply sat back and watched him fall into their laps... but they were good enough to not let him go any farther even though that had Farve for a couple of more years.

I agree with all of this. Outside of the Rodgers and Raji/Matthews drafts, he hasn't done much with those first rounders.

It's almost humorous how TTs detractors come out of the woodwork at the first signs out trouble.-TT has worked in three front offices in his 21 year career. GB from 92-99, Seattle from 2000-04, GB from 2005-present. The first two years those teams combined to go 1/6 in playoff appearances. After that, they've gone 12/15.

-Superbowls? How about 3 appearances with two wins. The Seahawks 05 Super Bowl teams core was built by TT as well. So 4/22 isn't really a reach there.

-He's been voted NFL executive of the year two times by his peers. (2008, 2011)

-TT was also a player in the NFL for 10 years, so I'd think he's probably far more knowledgable about how a pro locker room works than most GMs. (Not to mention internet posters that want him to sign big money FAs.)

After Ron Wolf left, Mike Sherman gutted the depth of the Packers via bad draft after bad draft. Then he compounded it by making some bad FA signings. TT righted the ship, correctly chose to move on with Aaron Rodgers instead of Favre, and now has the Packers as perennial contenders. Yet there is a contingent of Packer fans that can only seem to talk about his mistakes. The guy should be viewed as one of the all time Packer greats.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

Fans, at lest the ignorant detractors, wanted TT to blow up Rodgers to keep Favre around for another year, forgetting that Favre's constant grousing and threats of retirement were making it impossible to draft a plan to build a team. They wanted to sell the future to keep Jenkins. They wanted to sell the farm for Jennings and were willing to consider trading Rodgers and keeping Flynn, or paying Flynn like a starter.

Thompson moved on from mistakes which would have hamstrung this team for years in salary cap hell. He has drafted extraordinarily well, has been prudent in free agency, and has made exactly the minimum but correct trade. Drafting, late in the rounds, as some like to ignore, he has stocked a young and powerful roster in spite of unpredictable injuries. His first rounders some say are busts, well those busts are still around, still growing, still waiting to make an impact and I believe they will as soon as their injuries clear.

Lots of fools.

 

[Mr.Pack]

The packers look like classic case of a one man team to me...

That would be the Saints.

And Broncos. Probably the 2013 Patriots, too, though Belichick did go 11-5 with Matt Cassel.

Any team with an elite QB takes a huge blow if that QB is hurt Not rocket surgery here.

agreed that u can't take Brady or Manning away from their teams and expect them to not feel the pinch but at least those teams have guys on their squads that have been learning the system for a couple of yrs now. Green Bay has not had a good back up in yrs but what do expect when you only use 7th rounders on them and sign washed up Vets days before the season starts. Thompson should get flack for this mess, questionable O-line with a questionable defense and the excuse he couldn't back up the most important position on the team was because of $$... not buying it. This team never spends money on FA and while that sounds good and looks good on paper when you win, it looks terrible when a situation like this comes around.

Is he a good GM, yes better than half the GMs in the league; but he does one part of the job. Great GMs draft good players, acquire good players though Free Agency and take other GMs up the river with trades.

Damn

 

[Mr.Pack]

So, you are not impressed with the fact that 50 of the 53 players on the Packers roster (as of the beginning of Nov) had never played for another NFL team?

And any team would struggle if the majority of their top players had suffered injuries.

thats nice and all but this team has gotten worse and worse since KC ended their win streak after the Super Bowl.

It's quite clear to me that TT doesn't have the eye for Defensive talent. He's hit on Matthews and Raji, but other than that nothing. He has drafted nothing but second tier talent on that side of the ball, and it's been showing for years. Rodgers has been covering that flaw up. Now that he's been out, that flaw is sticking out something terribly.

 

[zftcg]

For those who say GB should have had a better back-up available, this came up when Manning got hurt, too. The fact is that the better your QB, the harder it is to attract a quality backup. These guys want to play, and given a choice they're going to sign with teams that will provide them that chance. Elite QBs with little injury history are the worst situations for them to be in.

Trust me, if we were evaluating Loomis or Elway on the performance of Chase Daniel or Brock Osweiler as emergency fill-ins, they wouldn't look too good either.

 

[Kitrick Taylor]

So, you are not impressed with the fact that 50 of the 53 players on the Packers roster (as of the beginning of Nov) had never played for another NFL team?

And any team would struggle if the majority of their top players had suffered injuries.

thats nice and all but this team has gotten worse and worse since KC ended their win streak after the Super Bowl.

It's quite clear to me that TT doesn't have the eye for Defensive talent. He's hit on Matthews and Raji, but other than that nothing. He has drafted nothing but second tier talent on that side of the ball, and it's been showing for years. Rodgers has been covering that flaw up. Now that he's been out, that flaw is sticking out something terribly.

Packers defensive ranking (PTS allowed)2012 11th

2011 19th

2010 2nd

2009 7th

2008 22nd

2007 6th

So 4 of the past 6 seasons the Packers have had a top 11 defense.

Thompson was a NFL linebacker for 10 years. So he may just have a little bit of an eye for defensive talent. eg Casey Hayward won Pro Football Focus' defensive rookie of the year award last season.

Don't let the facts get in the way though, you're on a roll!

 

[The Kerminator]

Thanks KT for bringing some sanity to this thread. The Packers have had a lot of injuries this year. We may have to add sprained ankles to the list of injuries as well from all these fans jumping off the bandwagon. IMO, it has been remarkable that with all the injuries this year, the Packers have remained as competitive as they have been. Doesn't TT get some credit for that?

So, you are not impressed with the fact that 50 of the 53 players on the Packers roster (as of the beginning of Nov) had never played for another NFL team?

And any team would struggle if the majority of their top players had suffered injuries.

thats nice and all but this team has gotten worse and worse since KC ended their win streak after the Super Bowl.

It's quite clear to me that TT doesn't have the eye for Defensive talent. He's hit on Matthews and Raji, but other than that nothing. He has drafted nothing but second tier talent on that side of the ball, and it's been showing for years. Rodgers has been covering that flaw up. Now that he's been out, that flaw is sticking out something terribly.

And Nick Collins? Ryan Pickett? Charles Woodson? Tramon Williams? Sam Shields?

 

[Sabertooth]

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/gnb/draft.htm

why is it so hard to admit that this year has exposed some holes in his GM style?

Drafting players that can get hurt?

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/gnb/draft.htmgoing back to The Rodgers' draft, its not really an impressive list. And I know I'll get h@ll for this, but the reason they drafted Rodgers was because 23 other teams passed on him. Wasn't like they made some high risk trade to get him because they knew he going to be a stud, they simply sat back and watched him fall into their laps... but they were good enough to not let him go any farther even though that had Farve for a couple of more years.

I agree with all of this. Outside of the Rodgers and Raji/Matthews drafts, he hasn't done much with those first rounders.

It's almost humorous how TTs detractors come out of the woodwork at the first signs out trouble.-TT has worked in three front offices in his 21 year career. GB from 92-99, Seattle from 2000-04, GB from 2005-present. The first two years those teams combined to go 1/6 in playoff appearances. After that, they've gone 12/15.

-Superbowls? How about 3 appearances with two wins. The Seahawks 05 Super Bowl teams core was built by TT as well. So 4/22 isn't really a reach there.

-He's been voted NFL executive of the year two times by his peers. (2008, 2011)

-TT was also a player in the NFL for 10 years, so I'd think he's probably far more knowledgable about how a pro locker room works than most GMs. (Not to mention internet posters that want him to sign big money FAs.)

After Ron Wolf left, Mike Sherman gutted the depth of the Packers via bad draft after bad draft. Then he compounded it by making some bad FA signings. TT righted the ship, correctly chose to move on with Aaron Rodgers instead of Favre, and now has the Packers as perennial contenders. Yet there is a contingent of Packer fans that can only seem to talk about his mistakes. The guy should be viewed as one of the all time Packer greats.

I am a big supporter of Ted's. Go back and check any posts I've made about him for the last 5 years. I am certainly not a detractor, but I am a realist. I don't care about his being voted this or that. I don't care about what he did in Seattle. I don't care about what Mike Sherman did. All I care about is what the team is doing now. And lets face it, they aren't looking good without their starting QB. I think Rodgers covers up a lot of deficiencies. They've had a week defense for several years. They got absolutely embarrassed in the playoffs last season and this season they probably aren't even going to make the playoffs.

It's much easier to play defense from a lead. But they simply don't have a good defense. So when Rodgers is out there scoring points left and right, the defense gets a much easier task. But when they can't score, they seemingly can't stop anyone either.

 

[Sabertooth]

Thanks KT for bringing some sanity to this thread. The Packers have had a lot of injuries this year. We may have to add sprained ankles to the list of injuries as well from all these fans jumping off the bandwagon. IMO, it has been remarkable that with all the injuries this year, the Packers have remained as competitive as they have been. Doesn't TT get some credit for that?

So, you are not impressed with the fact that 50 of the 53 players on the Packers roster (as of the beginning of Nov) had never played for another NFL team?

And any team would struggle if the majority of their top players had suffered injuries.

thats nice and all but this team has gotten worse and worse since KC ended their win streak after the Super Bowl.

It's quite clear to me that TT doesn't have the eye for Defensive talent. He's hit on Matthews and Raji, but other than that nothing. He has drafted nothing but second tier talent on that side of the ball, and it's been showing for years. Rodgers has been covering that flaw up. Now that he's been out, that flaw is sticking out something terribly.

And Nick Collins? Ryan Pickett? Charles Woodson? Tramon Williams? Sam Shields?

Collins was a huge blow. That void has not been filled despite some very good safeties coming through the draft and free agency. Pickett and Woodson were free agents, he didn't draft them and hasn't signed a notable free agent since them. Tramon is pretty good but not in the top 15 corners in the league. Shields is decent.

 

[The Kerminator]

Thanks KT for bringing some sanity to this thread. The Packers have had a lot of injuries this year. We may have to add sprained ankles to the list of injuries as well from all these fans jumping off the bandwagon. IMO, it has been remarkable that with all the injuries this year, the Packers have remained as competitive as they have been. Doesn't TT get some credit for that?

So, you are not impressed with the fact that 50 of the 53 players on the Packers roster (as of the beginning of Nov) had never played for another NFL team?

And any team would struggle if the majority of their top players had suffered injuries.

thats nice and all but this team has gotten worse and worse since KC ended their win streak after the Super Bowl.

It's quite clear to me that TT doesn't have the eye for Defensive talent. He's hit on Matthews and Raji, but other than that nothing. He has drafted nothing but second tier talent on that side of the ball, and it's been showing for years. Rodgers has been covering that flaw up. Now that he's been out, that flaw is sticking out something terribly.

And Nick Collins? Ryan Pickett? Charles Woodson? Tramon Williams? Sam Shields?

Collins was a huge blow. That void has not been filled despite some very good safeties coming through the draft and free agency. Pickett and Woodson were free agents, he didn't draft them and hasn't signed a notable free agent since them. Tramon is pretty good but not in the top 15 corners in the league. Shields is decent.

But you contended that Thompson doesn't have an eye for defensive talent. His eye was good enough to sign them wasn't it? Williams has lost a step but a few years ago he was one of the top CBs. Shields is getting there. Rarely do you see teams throw his way.

And without Rodgers injury, GB is one of the top teams in the NFL. They would have won their last couple of games and would currently be riding an 8 game winning streak and a couple of games up in the division. Thompson's only sin is that he built the team around Rodgers if you really want to complain. Show me one GM in the NFL who with Rodger's on the team wouldn't build their team around him. How do you think New Orleans would do without Brees? Or Denver without Manning? New England without Brady?

 

[sho nuff]

Williams is interesting.

He struggled earlier in the year. But the past several games he has played pretty well. More so in his physical play and tackling. He was shying away from those the last couple of years I think with that shoulder injury. He seems to be playing much more physical.

Watching the scores yesterday and reading about how dinged up Florida is right now...it shows you what injuries can do to a team that should have more than enough depth to beat a team like Georgia Southern...but UF got beat by a team that threw for 0 yards.

The right mix of injuries can kill a team.

GB is not good enough to overcome many of them at all...especially with Rodgers. He does cover up a lot of other deficiencies...but so does a healthy Matthews cover up some deficiencies in our secondary. Hopefully he is coming back into form soon. They need him and Neal or someone else to step up and put more pressure on QBs to help out the secondary that is now pretty banged up too.

 

[Sabertooth]

Thanks KT for bringing some sanity to this thread. The Packers have had a lot of injuries this year. We may have to add sprained ankles to the list of injuries as well from all these fans jumping off the bandwagon. IMO, it has been remarkable that with all the injuries this year, the Packers have remained as competitive as they have been. Doesn't TT get some credit for that?

So, you are not impressed with the fact that 50 of the 53 players on the Packers roster (as of the beginning of Nov) had never played for another NFL team?

And any team would struggle if the majority of their top players had suffered injuries.

thats nice and all but this team has gotten worse and worse since KC ended their win streak after the Super Bowl.

It's quite clear to me that TT doesn't have the eye for Defensive talent. He's hit on Matthews and Raji, but other than that nothing. He has drafted nothing but second tier talent on that side of the ball, and it's been showing for years. Rodgers has been covering that flaw up. Now that he's been out, that flaw is sticking out something terribly.

And Nick Collins? Ryan Pickett? Charles Woodson? Tramon Williams? Sam Shields?

Collins was a huge blow. That void has not been filled despite some very good safeties coming through the draft and free agency. Pickett and Woodson were free agents, he didn't draft them and hasn't signed a notable free agent since them. Tramon is pretty good but not in the top 15 corners in the league. Shields is decent.

But you contended that Thompson doesn't have an eye for defensive talent. His eye was good enough to sign them wasn't it? Williams has lost a step but a few years ago he was one of the top CBs. Shields is getting there. Rarely do you see teams throw his way.

And without Rodgers injury, GB is one of the top teams in the NFL. They would have won their last couple of games and would currently be riding an 8 game winning streak and a couple of games up in the division. Thompson's only sin is that he built the team around Rodgers if you really want to complain. Show me one GM in the NFL who with Rodger's on the team wouldn't build their team around him. How do you think New Orleans would do without Brees? Or Denver without Manning? New England without Brady?

coulda shoulda woulda. They are losing to poor teams. Fact. They need to get better for sure.

 

[Sabertooth]

Game looking like it could be 2-0 by the end.

 

[Underachievers]

No worries Teddy....you still have a cult group of supporters even after losing to one of the the worst teams in the NFL at Lambeau. Rodgers or not, that should not be happening.

 

[Kitrick Taylor]

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/gnb/draft.htm

why is it so hard to admit that this year has exposed some holes in his GM style?

Drafting players that can get hurt?

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/gnb/draft.htmgoing back to The Rodgers' draft, its not really an impressive list. And I know I'll get h@ll for this, but the reason they drafted Rodgers was because 23 other teams passed on him. Wasn't like they made some high risk trade to get him because they knew he going to be a stud, they simply sat back and watched him fall into their laps... but they were good enough to not let him go any farther even though that had Farve for a couple of more years.

I agree with all of this. Outside of the Rodgers and Raji/Matthews drafts, he hasn't done much with those first rounders.

It's almost humorous how TTs detractors come out of the woodwork at the first signs out trouble.-TT has worked in three front offices in his 21 year career. GB from 92-99, Seattle from 2000-04, GB from 2005-present. The first two years those teams combined to go 1/6 in playoff appearances. After that, they've gone 12/15.

-Superbowls? How about 3 appearances with two wins. The Seahawks 05 Super Bowl teams core was built by TT as well. So 4/22 isn't really a reach there.

-He's been voted NFL executive of the year two times by his peers. (2008, 2011)

-TT was also a player in the NFL for 10 years, so I'd think he's probably far more knowledgable about how a pro locker room works than most GMs. (Not to mention internet posters that want him to sign big money FAs.)

After Ron Wolf left, Mike Sherman gutted the depth of the Packers via bad draft after bad draft. Then he compounded it by making some bad FA signings. TT righted the ship, correctly chose to move on with Aaron Rodgers instead of Favre, and now has the Packers as perennial contenders. Yet there is a contingent of Packer fans that can only seem to talk about his mistakes. The guy should be viewed as one of the all time Packer greats.

I am a big supporter of Ted's. Go back and check any posts I've made about him for the last 5 years. I am certainly not a detractor, but I am a realist. I don't care about his being voted this or that. I don't care about what he did in Seattle. I don't care about what Mike Sherman did. All I care about is what the team is doing now. And lets face it, they aren't looking good without their starting QB. I think Rodgers covers up a lot of deficiencies. They've had a week defense for several years. They got absolutely embarrassed in the playoffs last season and this season they probably aren't even going to make the playoffs.

It's much easier to play defense from a lead. But they simply don't have a good defense. So when Rodgers is out there scoring points left and right, the defense gets a much easier task. But when they can't score, they seemingly can't stop anyone either.

No worries Teddy....you still have a cult group of supporters even after losing to one of the the worst teams in the NFL at Lambeau. Rodgers or not, that should not be happening.

You know what? You guys are right. I've been too concerned with all of TT's Superbowls, Executive of the Year awards, drafting Rookie's of the Year, MVPs etc. Quite frankly, I can see how it just gets a little confusing for you. There's big words, numbers, lots of confusing stuff. Besides none of that stuff happened this year. So it basically doesn't even count.

As a matter of fact, I think you guys are really on to something here. I was watching a Miami Heat game the other day, and I've gotta tell you, when Lebron James and Dwayne Wade aren't on the court, they look like an average at best kind of team. I think Pat Riley has to go. What do you think?

 

[Sabertooth]

Are you denying the team has been in decline since the Super Bowl win? I am not calling for Ted's job or anything like that. That is a total straw man. I am just stating that he needs to hit on some of these early picks instead of wasting them on guys like Bulaga and Sherrod. They've gotten nothing out of their first round since 2009. It might have something to do with their medical vetting because Jones, Perry, Bulaga, and Sherrod have had their share of injuries. Might be training staff or something like that too. But they haven't had a first rounder produce since Raji and Matthews in 2009.

They have a lot of role players and those guys are decent but the lack of star power on defense rears it's head when Matthews goes out. If he can hit that first rounder out of the park, they'll get the injection of talent they need to push them over the top. If not, they simply won't ever be much better than they are now. They are good but not great. Their record in the playoffs since that super bowl is 1-2 with the only victory being over the Vikings last year. Not good enough and indicative of a team in decline.

I think the picks are a lot of luck to be honest. Good luck, bad luck, whatever. But when you get lucky, you look like a Genuis. Ted just hasn't gotten lucky lately. I'd love to see him get multiple shots in the first round again. I think to be quite frank, that the best draft strategy is to throw a lot of #### at the wall and see what sticks. That is what Ted did when he got to Green Bay and it worked. Lately, not so much.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

Are you denying the team has been in decline since the Super Bowl win? I am not calling for Ted's job or anything like that. That is a total straw man. I am just stating that he needs to hit on some of these early picks instead of wasting them on guys like Bulaga and Sherrod. They've gotten nothing out of their first round since 2009. It might have something to do with their medical vetting because Jones, Perry, Bulaga, and Sherrod have had their share of injuries. Might be training staff or something like that too. But they haven't had a first rounder produce since Raji and Matthews in 2009.

They have a lot of role players and those guys are decent but the lack of star power on defense rears it's head when Matthews goes out. If he can hit that first rounder out of the park, they'll get the injection of talent they need to push them over the top. If not, they simply won't ever be much better than they are now. They are good but not great. Their record in the playoffs since that super bowl is 1-2 with the only victory being over the Vikings last year. Not good enough and indicative of a team in decline.

I think the picks are a lot of luck to be honest. Good luck, bad luck, whatever. But when you get lucky, you look like a Genuis. Ted just hasn't gotten lucky lately. I'd love to see him get multiple shots in the first round again. I think to be quite frank, that the best draft strategy is to throw a lot of #### at the wall and see what sticks. That is what Ted did when he got to Green Bay and it worked. Lately, not so much.

Wait, since the Super Bowl win? Like when they went 15-1 the following year?

The team has been decimated by injuries the past couple of years. Now, that should definitely raise some questions about our strength & conditioning approach, along with our piss-poor medical staff. But how is that TT's fault? To me that lands squarely on MM's shoulders.

 

[sho nuff]

Are you denying the team has been in decline since the Super Bowl win? I am not calling for Ted's job or anything like that. That is a total straw man. I am just stating that he needs to hit on some of these early picks instead of wasting them on guys like Bulaga and Sherrod. They've gotten nothing out of their first round since 2009. It might have something to do with their medical vetting because Jones, Perry, Bulaga, and Sherrod have had their share of injuries. Might be training staff or something like that too. But they haven't had a first rounder produce since Raji and Matthews in 2009.

They have a lot of role players and those guys are decent but the lack of star power on defense rears it's head when Matthews goes out. If he can hit that first rounder out of the park, they'll get the injection of talent they need to push them over the top. If not, they simply won't ever be much better than they are now. They are good but not great. Their record in the playoffs since that super bowl is 1-2 with the only victory being over the Vikings last year. Not good enough and indicative of a team in decline.

I think the picks are a lot of luck to be honest. Good luck, bad luck, whatever. But when you get lucky, you look like a Genuis. Ted just hasn't gotten lucky lately. I'd love to see him get multiple shots in the first round again. I think to be quite frank, that the best draft strategy is to throw a lot of #### at the wall and see what sticks. That is what Ted did when he got to Green Bay and it worked. Lately, not so much.

So Ted is now supposed to predict that guys like Bulaga and Sherrod will get hurt?

What share of injuries did they have in college and before leading up to their drafting? Same with Jones?

None of them had any extensive injuries any more than any other player...its one thing to bash Harrell with his list of injuries.

Ted seems to do better in the middle rounds...even starting in the 2nd.

Guys like Collins, Nelson, Cobb, Bahktiari, Lacy...

 

[Kitrick Taylor]

Are you denying the team has been in decline since the Super Bowl win? I am not calling for Ted's job or anything like that. That is a total straw man. I am just stating that he needs to hit on some of these early picks instead of wasting them on guys like Bulaga and Sherrod. They've gotten nothing out of their first round since 2009. It might have something to do with their medical vetting because Jones, Perry, Bulaga, and Sherrod have had their share of injuries. Might be training staff or something like that too. But they haven't had a first rounder produce since Raji and Matthews in 2009.

They have a lot of role players and those guys are decent but the lack of star power on defense rears it's head when Matthews goes out. If he can hit that first rounder out of the park, they'll get the injection of talent they need to push them over the top. If not, they simply won't ever be much better than they are now. They are good but not great. Their record in the playoffs since that super bowl is 1-2 with the only victory being over the Vikings last year. Not good enough and indicative of a team in decline.

I think the picks are a lot of luck to be honest. Good luck, bad luck, whatever. But when you get lucky, you look like a Genuis. Ted just hasn't gotten lucky lately. I'd love to see him get multiple shots in the first round again. I think to be quite frank, that the best draft strategy is to throw a lot of #### at the wall and see what sticks. That is what Ted did when he got to Green Bay and it worked. Lately, not so much.

There may be some luck involved, but there's some organization's that seem to consistently do better in the draft than others. The Packers are definitely one of them.

I agree with what Alex says above regarding the injuries. They have also been consistent, and amongst the league leaders.

There's also something else at play here. The Packers have been very good. That means they draft very late. The thing you often hear when the draft is approaching is "there's X number of players in the top tier the players from Y to Z are pretty much interchangeable" It's usually +/- 15 in the top tier and from something like 16-40 in the next interchangeable tier.

In the time period you are talking about, the Packers have selected 23rd, 32nd, 28th and 26th. That matters. Difference makers tend to go very high in the draft. The Packers also have to select near the bottom of every round, which makes what TT has done in round 2 all the more impressive.

2011 (64) Randall Cobb

2012 (62) Casey Hayward (Defensive Rookie of the Year).

2013 (61) Eddie Lacy (Serious contender for offensive Rookie of the Year).

If he'd have grabbed those three guys in RD 1 instead of RD 2 would that have been somehow better?

 

[Man in the yellow hat]

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/gnb/draft.htm

why is it so hard to admit that this year has exposed some holes in his GM style?

Drafting players that can get hurt?

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/gnb/draft.htmgoing back to The Rodgers' draft, its not really an impressive list. And I know I'll get h@ll for this, but the reason they drafted Rodgers was because 23 other teams passed on him. Wasn't like they made some high risk trade to get him because they knew he going to be a stud, they simply sat back and watched him fall into their laps... but they were good enough to not let him go any farther even though that had Farve for a couple of more years.

p. The O-Line has been a mess for yrs now, you give a QB the biggest contract extension the NFL has ever seen and you don't protect him.

They spent two first rounds picks on Offensive Tackles. Bryan Bulaga and Derrick Sherrod. All agreed they were pretty good prospects, and Bulaga was pretty good. Both suffered injuries that cost them time. Heck, Sherrod's I'd call catastrophic. Not sure he'll ever come back from that.

So you can sit here and say it wasn't addressed, but you're wrong.

 

[sho nuff]

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/gnb/draft.htm

why is it so hard to admit that this year has exposed some holes in his GM style?

Drafting players that can get hurt?

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/gnb/draft.htmgoing back to The Rodgers' draft, its not really an impressive list. And I know I'll get h@ll for this, but the reason they drafted Rodgers was because 23 other teams passed on him. Wasn't like they made some high risk trade to get him because they knew he going to be a stud, they simply sat back and watched him fall into their laps... but they were good enough to not let him go any farther even though that had Farve for a couple of more years.

p. The O-Line has been a mess for yrs now, you give a QB the biggest contract extension the NFL has ever seen and you don't protect him.

They spent two first rounds picks on Offensive Tackles. Bryan Bulaga and Derrick Sherrod. All agreed they were pretty good prospects, and Bulaga was pretty good. Both suffered injuries that cost them time. Heck, Sherrod's I'd call catastrophic. Not sure he'll ever come back from that.

So you can sit here and say it wasn't addressed, but you're wrong.

And its not there yet...but at this point, who would they get rid of to bring in someone else?

Bahktiari looks set at LT. If he does not fall on his face, this looks like his job for the foreseeable future.

Sitton at LG will stay...very good player, though, struggled last year and still not playing up to the level he first did his first few years.

EDS...seems to have gotten the praise of the coaches and Rodgers. Contract year I think? Need to keep him IMO.

Lang at RG...versatile but a good guard. Another to keep.

RT is the spot where there is a huge question mark and weakness right now.

Bulaga comes back, that solidifies the RT spot. But they do need more depth big time. Newhouse blows.

 

[Kitrick Taylor]

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/gnb/draft.htm

why is it so hard to admit that this year has exposed some holes in his GM style?

Drafting players that can get hurt?

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/gnb/draft.htmgoing back to The Rodgers' draft, its not really an impressive list. And I know I'll get h@ll for this, but the reason they drafted Rodgers was because 23 other teams passed on him. Wasn't like they made some high risk trade to get him because they knew he going to be a stud, they simply sat back and watched him fall into their laps... but they were good enough to not let him go any farther even though that had Farve for a couple of more years.

p. The O-Line has been a mess for yrs now, you give a QB the biggest contract extension the NFL has ever seen and you don't protect him.

They spent two first rounds picks on Offensive Tackles. Bryan Bulaga and Derrick Sherrod. All agreed they were pretty good prospects, and Bulaga was pretty good. Both suffered injuries that cost them time. Heck, Sherrod's I'd call catastrophic. Not sure he'll ever come back from that.

So you can sit here and say it wasn't addressed, but you're wrong.

And its not there yet...but at this point, who would they get rid of to bring in someone else?

Bahktiari looks set at LT. If he does not fall on his face, this looks like his job for the foreseeable future.

Sitton at LG will stay...very good player, though, struggled last year and still not playing up to the level he first did his first few years.

EDS...seems to have gotten the praise of the coaches and Rodgers. Contract year I think? Need to keep him IMO.

Lang at RG...versatile but a good guard. Another to keep.

RT is the spot where there is a huge question mark and weakness right now.

Bulaga comes back, that solidifies the RT spot. But they do need more depth big time. Newhouse blows.

TT hit big on his 4th rounder this year. Bahktiari looks like he'll be a fixture at LT for years to come.

LT: Bahktiari (rookie looks like future at LT)

LG: Sitton (pro bowler)

C: EDS (is a FA after season and needs to be resigned)

RG: Lang (solid starter)

RT: Bulaga (solid starter)

Depth:

RT Don Barclay - Proven he can start and perform

LT Derek Sherrod - Former 1st rounder, no idea if he'll recover from broken leg

OG JC Tretter - 2013 4th rounder. Very good athlete. Played LT in college.

OT Marshall Newhouse -won't be in teams plans for 2014.

I think they'll be 8 deep at oline going in to 2014. They could probably add an interior guy with a mid-late round pick, but it's not really a position of need IMO.

 

[Mr.Pack]

Thanks KT for bringing some sanity to this thread. The Packers have had a lot of injuries this year. We may have to add sprained ankles to the list of injuries as well from all these fans jumping off the bandwagon. IMO, it has been remarkable that with all the injuries this year, the Packers have remained as competitive as they have been. Doesn't TT get some credit for that?

So, you are not impressed with the fact that 50 of the 53 players on the Packers roster (as of the beginning of Nov) had never played for another NFL team?

And any team would struggle if the majority of their top players had suffered injuries.

thats nice and all but this team has gotten worse and worse since KC ended their win streak after the Super Bowl.

It's quite clear to me that TT doesn't have the eye for Defensive talent. He's hit on Matthews and Raji, but other than that nothing. He has drafted nothing but second tier talent on that side of the ball, and it's been showing for years. Rodgers has been covering that flaw up. Now that he's been out, that flaw is sticking out something terribly.

And Nick Collins? Ryan Pickett? Charles Woodson? Tramon Williams? Sam Shields?

Collins was a huge blow. That void has not been filled despite some very good safeties coming through the draft and free agency. Pickett and Woodson were free agents, he didn't draft them and hasn't signed a notable free agent since them. Tramon is pretty good but not in the top 15 corners in the league. Shields is decent.

Exactly.

I'm as big a homer as there is, but the fact remains, TT's eye for Defensive talent in the draft just isn't that good.

 

[Kitrick Taylor]

Thanks KT for bringing some sanity to this thread. The Packers have had a lot of injuries this year. We may have to add sprained ankles to the list of injuries as well from all these fans jumping off the bandwagon. IMO, it has been remarkable that with all the injuries this year, the Packers have remained as competitive as they have been. Doesn't TT get some credit for that?

So, you are not impressed with the fact that 50 of the 53 players on the Packers roster (as of the beginning of Nov) had never played for another NFL team?

And any team would struggle if the majority of their top players had suffered injuries.

thats nice and all but this team has gotten worse and worse since KC ended their win streak after the Super Bowl.

It's quite clear to me that TT doesn't have the eye for Defensive talent. He's hit on Matthews and Raji, but other than that nothing. He has drafted nothing but second tier talent on that side of the ball, and it's been showing for years. Rodgers has been covering that flaw up. Now that he's been out, that flaw is sticking out something terribly.

And Nick Collins? Ryan Pickett? Charles Woodson? Tramon Williams? Sam Shields?

Collins was a huge blow. That void has not been filled despite some very good safeties coming through the draft and free agency. Pickett and Woodson were free agents, he didn't draft them and hasn't signed a notable free agent since them. Tramon is pretty good but not in the top 15 corners in the league. Shields is decent.

Exactly.

I'm as big a homer as there is, but the fact remains, TT's eye for Defensive talent in the draft just isn't that good.

Other than drafting:

2012 Defensive rookie of the year Casey Hayward

3 time pro bowler Nick Collins

4 time pro bowler Clay Matthews

1 time pro bowler BJ Raji

Signed 2009 NFL Defensive MVP Charles Woodson

And drafting a host of other guys that kept them a top 11 defense in 4 of the last 6 years, you're totally right! NO clue what he's doing I say!

 

[FavreAndAwayAnIdiot]

Folks, the reason this team has done squat since their superbowl is because they have a defensive coordinator who has proven to have a 3-year shelf life everywhere he's been, now going on year 5.

You can count on 1 hand how many games have been lost because of the offense over the last 3 years, but the amount of times the defense-- despite the talent-- has been outcoached, is startling. The team has looked so much better because of Rodgers and the offense that the casual fan rarely notices, or cares, that they have continued to be inept defensively, making the same mistakes over and over, outside of a few games during that time where the pieces came together.

Capers needed to go after the debacle against the 49'ers last year, as the utter collapse of the defense during that game, combined with the failure to adjust, was simply inexcusable for any professional level team in any sport. It is amazing Dom Capers is still coaching for Green Bay, and it shows that McCarthy's loyalty is also his weakness.

Unfortunately, it's almost too late to replace the defensive coordinator for another run, as now we're seeing the talent drain (or lack thereof) at other positions that will need to be rebuilt over time, such as the offensive line.

Bottom line is that the Packers should have won another trophy the last 3 years, and I place the blame squarely on Dom Capers. *end rant*

 

[Mr.Pack]

Are you denying the team has been in decline since the Super Bowl win? I am not calling for Ted's job or anything like that. That is a total straw man. I am just stating that he needs to hit on some of these early picks instead of wasting them on guys like Bulaga and Sherrod. They've gotten nothing out of their first round since 2009. It might have something to do with their medical vetting because Jones, Perry, Bulaga, and Sherrod have had their share of injuries. Might be training staff or something like that too. But they haven't had a first rounder produce since Raji and Matthews in 2009.

They have a lot of role players and those guys are decent but the lack of star power on defense rears it's head when Matthews goes out. If he can hit that first rounder out of the park, they'll get the injection of talent they need to push them over the top. If not, they simply won't ever be much better than they are now. They are good but not great. Their record in the playoffs since that super bowl is 1-2 with the only victory being over the Vikings last year. Not good enough and indicative of a team in decline.

I think the picks are a lot of luck to be honest. Good luck, bad luck, whatever. But when you get lucky, you look like a Genuis. Ted just hasn't gotten lucky lately. I'd love to see him get multiple shots in the first round again. I think to be quite frank, that the best draft strategy is to throw a lot of #### at the wall and see what sticks. That is what Ted did when he got to Green Bay and it worked. Lately, not so much.

So Ted is now supposed to predict that guys like Bulaga and Sherrod will get hurt?

What share of injuries did they have in college and before leading up to their drafting? Same with Jones?

None of them had any extensive injuries any more than any other player...its one thing to bash Harrell with his list of injuries.

Ted seems to do better in the middle rounds...even starting in the 2nd.

Guys like Collins, Nelson, Cobb, Bahktiari, Lacy...

Indeed......

All offensive side of the ball.

 

[Mr.Pack]

Thanks KT for bringing some sanity to this thread. The Packers have had a lot of injuries this year. We may have to add sprained ankles to the list of injuries as well from all these fans jumping off the bandwagon. IMO, it has been remarkable that with all the injuries this year, the Packers have remained as competitive as they have been. Doesn't TT get some credit for that?

So, you are not impressed with the fact that 50 of the 53 players on the Packers roster (as of the beginning of Nov) had never played for another NFL team?

And any team would struggle if the majority of their top players had suffered injuries.

thats nice and all but this team has gotten worse and worse since KC ended their win streak after the Super Bowl.

It's quite clear to me that TT doesn't have the eye for Defensive talent. He's hit on Matthews and Raji, but other than that nothing. He has drafted nothing but second tier talent on that side of the ball, and it's been showing for years. Rodgers has been covering that flaw up. Now that he's been out, that flaw is sticking out something terribly.

And Nick Collins? Ryan Pickett? Charles Woodson? Tramon Williams? Sam Shields?

Collins was a huge blow. That void has not been filled despite some very good safeties coming through the draft and free agency. Pickett and Woodson were free agents, he didn't draft them and hasn't signed a notable free agent since them. Tramon is pretty good but not in the top 15 corners in the league. Shields is decent.

Exactly.

I'm as big a homer as there is, but the fact remains, TT's eye for Defensive talent in the draft just isn't that good.

Other than drafting:

2012 Defensive rookie of the year Casey Hayward

3 time pro bowler Nick Collins

4 time pro bowler Clay Matthews

1 time pro bowler BJ Raji

Signed 2009 NFL Defensive MVP Charles Woodson

And drafting a host of other guys that kept them a top 11 defense in 4 of the last 6 years, you're totally right! NO clue what he's doing I say!

4 guys in the last 6 years.

That's really rocking the talent. My bad

 

[Kitrick Taylor]

Thanks KT for bringing some sanity to this thread. The Packers have had a lot of injuries this year. We may have to add sprained ankles to the list of injuries as well from all these fans jumping off the bandwagon. IMO, it has been remarkable that with all the injuries this year, the Packers have remained as competitive as they have been. Doesn't TT get some credit for that?

So, you are not impressed with the fact that 50 of the 53 players on the Packers roster (as of the beginning of Nov) had never played for another NFL team?

And any team would struggle if the majority of their top players had suffered injuries.

thats nice and all but this team has gotten worse and worse since KC ended their win streak after the Super Bowl.

It's quite clear to me that TT doesn't have the eye for Defensive talent. He's hit on Matthews and Raji, but other than that nothing. He has drafted nothing but second tier talent on that side of the ball, and it's been showing for years. Rodgers has been covering that flaw up. Now that he's been out, that flaw is sticking out something terribly.

And Nick Collins? Ryan Pickett? Charles Woodson? Tramon Williams? Sam Shields?

Collins was a huge blow. That void has not been filled despite some very good safeties coming through the draft and free agency. Pickett and Woodson were free agents, he didn't draft them and hasn't signed a notable free agent since them. Tramon is pretty good but not in the top 15 corners in the league. Shields is decent.

Exactly.

I'm as big a homer as there is, but the fact remains, TT's eye for Defensive talent in the draft just isn't that good.

Other than drafting:

2012 Defensive rookie of the year Casey Hayward

3 time pro bowler Nick Collins

4 time pro bowler Clay Matthews

1 time pro bowler BJ Raji

Signed 2009 NFL Defensive MVP Charles Woodson

And drafting a host of other guys that kept them a top 11 defense in 4 of the last 6 years, you're totally right! NO clue what he's doing I say!

4 guys in the last 6 years.

That's really rocking the talent. My bad

Yeah, actually it is.

Take a look at SF for the same period. They've been a pretty bad team for most of that time. So they get the benefit of drafting in the top 11 during 4 of those 6 years. You know how many defensive pro bowlers they've hit on? 4. That's right. The same number that the Packers have, and they did it drafting much higher.

 

[Sabertooth]

Are you denying the team has been in decline since the Super Bowl win? I am not calling for Ted's job or anything like that. That is a total straw man. I am just stating that he needs to hit on some of these early picks instead of wasting them on guys like Bulaga and Sherrod. They've gotten nothing out of their first round since 2009. It might have something to do with their medical vetting because Jones, Perry, Bulaga, and Sherrod have had their share of injuries. Might be training staff or something like that too. But they haven't had a first rounder produce since Raji and Matthews in 2009.

They have a lot of role players and those guys are decent but the lack of star power on defense rears it's head when Matthews goes out. If he can hit that first rounder out of the park, they'll get the injection of talent they need to push them over the top. If not, they simply won't ever be much better than they are now. They are good but not great. Their record in the playoffs since that super bowl is 1-2 with the only victory being over the Vikings last year. Not good enough and indicative of a team in decline.

I think the picks are a lot of luck to be honest. Good luck, bad luck, whatever. But when you get lucky, you look like a Genuis. Ted just hasn't gotten lucky lately. I'd love to see him get multiple shots in the first round again. I think to be quite frank, that the best draft strategy is to throw a lot of #### at the wall and see what sticks. That is what Ted did when he got to Green Bay and it worked. Lately, not so much.

Wait, since the Super Bowl win? Like when they went 15-1 the following year?

The team has been decimated by injuries the past couple of years. Now, that should definitely raise some questions about our strength & conditioning approach, along with our piss-poor medical staff. But how is that TT's fault? To me that lands squarely on MM's shoulders.

Yeah an lost in the first game of the playoffs. I'm not sure why they have all the injuries either, but they do.every.single.year.

 

[Sabertooth]

Folks, the reason this team has done squat since their superbowl is because they have a defensive coordinator who has proven to have a 3-year shelf life everywhere he's been, now going on year 5.

You can count on 1 hand how many games have been lost because of the offense over the last 3 years, but the amount of times the defense-- despite the talent-- has been outcoached, is startling. The team has looked so much better because of Rodgers and the offense that the casual fan rarely notices, or cares, that they have continued to be inept defensively, making the same mistakes over and over, outside of a few games during that time where the pieces came together.

Capers needed to go after the debacle against the 49'ers last year, as the utter collapse of the defense during that game, combined with the failure to adjust, was simply inexcusable for any professional level team in any sport. It is amazing Dom Capers is still coaching for Green Bay, and it shows that McCarthy's loyalty is also his weakness.

Unfortunately, it's almost too late to replace the defensive coordinator for another run, as now we're seeing the talent drain (or lack thereof) at other positions that will need to be rebuilt over time, such as the offensive line.

Bottom line is that the Packers should have won another trophy the last 3 years, and I place the blame squarely on Dom Capers. *end rant*

This is also a major issue. Capers is getting schooled.

 

[sho nuff]

Are you denying the team has been in decline since the Super Bowl win? I am not calling for Ted's job or anything like that. That is a total straw man. I am just stating that he needs to hit on some of these early picks instead of wasting them on guys like Bulaga and Sherrod. They've gotten nothing out of their first round since 2009. It might have something to do with their medical vetting because Jones, Perry, Bulaga, and Sherrod have had their share of injuries. Might be training staff or something like that too. But they haven't had a first rounder produce since Raji and Matthews in 2009.

They have a lot of role players and those guys are decent but the lack of star power on defense rears it's head when Matthews goes out. If he can hit that first rounder out of the park, they'll get the injection of talent they need to push them over the top. If not, they simply won't ever be much better than they are now. They are good but not great. Their record in the playoffs since that super bowl is 1-2 with the only victory being over the Vikings last year. Not good enough and indicative of a team in decline.

I think the picks are a lot of luck to be honest. Good luck, bad luck, whatever. But when you get lucky, you look like a Genuis. Ted just hasn't gotten lucky lately. I'd love to see him get multiple shots in the first round again. I think to be quite frank, that the best draft strategy is to throw a lot of #### at the wall and see what sticks. That is what Ted did when he got to Green Bay and it worked. Lately, not so much.

So Ted is now supposed to predict that guys like Bulaga and Sherrod will get hurt?

What share of injuries did they have in college and before leading up to their drafting? Same with Jones?

None of them had any extensive injuries any more than any other player...its one thing to bash Harrell with his list of injuries.

Ted seems to do better in the middle rounds...even starting in the 2nd.

Guys like Collins, Nelson, Cobb, Bahktiari, Lacy...

Indeed......

All offensive side of the ball.

Except for Collins, Bishop...Hayward, Shields...see, he can do it later on defense some too.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

Are you denying the team has been in decline since the Super Bowl win? I am not calling for Ted's job or anything like that. That is a total straw man. I am just stating that he needs to hit on some of these early picks instead of wasting them on guys like Bulaga and Sherrod. They've gotten nothing out of their first round since 2009. It might have something to do with their medical vetting because Jones, Perry, Bulaga, and Sherrod have had their share of injuries. Might be training staff or something like that too. But they haven't had a first rounder produce since Raji and Matthews in 2009.

They have a lot of role players and those guys are decent but the lack of star power on defense rears it's head when Matthews goes out. If he can hit that first rounder out of the park, they'll get the injection of talent they need to push them over the top. If not, they simply won't ever be much better than they are now. They are good but not great. Their record in the playoffs since that super bowl is 1-2 with the only victory being over the Vikings last year. Not good enough and indicative of a team in decline.

I think the picks are a lot of luck to be honest. Good luck, bad luck, whatever. But when you get lucky, you look like a Genuis. Ted just hasn't gotten lucky lately. I'd love to see him get multiple shots in the first round again. I think to be quite frank, that the best draft strategy is to throw a lot of #### at the wall and see what sticks. That is what Ted did when he got to Green Bay and it worked. Lately, not so much.

Wait, since the Super Bowl win? Like when they went 15-1 the following year?

The team has been decimated by injuries the past couple of years. Now, that should definitely raise some questions about our strength & conditioning approach, along with our piss-poor medical staff. But how is that TT's fault? To me that lands squarely on MM's shoulders.

Yeah an lost in the first game of the playoffs. I'm not sure why they have all the injuries either, but they do.every.single.year.

So, you agree with...yourself....that they declined after the Super Bowl win despite winning 15 of their next 16 games. Got it.

 

[Sabertooth]

Are you denying the team has been in decline since the Super Bowl win? I am not calling for Ted's job or anything like that. That is a total straw man. I am just stating that he needs to hit on some of these early picks instead of wasting them on guys like Bulaga and Sherrod. They've gotten nothing out of their first round since 2009. It might have something to do with their medical vetting because Jones, Perry, Bulaga, and Sherrod have had their share of injuries. Might be training staff or something like that too. But they haven't had a first rounder produce since Raji and Matthews in 2009.

They have a lot of role players and those guys are decent but the lack of star power on defense rears it's head when Matthews goes out. If he can hit that first rounder out of the park, they'll get the injection of talent they need to push them over the top. If not, they simply won't ever be much better than they are now. They are good but not great. Their record in the playoffs since that super bowl is 1-2 with the only victory being over the Vikings last year. Not good enough and indicative of a team in decline.

I think the picks are a lot of luck to be honest. Good luck, bad luck, whatever. But when you get lucky, you look like a Genuis. Ted just hasn't gotten lucky lately. I'd love to see him get multiple shots in the first round again. I think to be quite frank, that the best draft strategy is to throw a lot of #### at the wall and see what sticks. That is what Ted did when he got to Green Bay and it worked. Lately, not so much.

Wait, since the Super Bowl win? Like when they went 15-1 the following year?

The team has been decimated by injuries the past couple of years. Now, that should definitely raise some questions about our strength & conditioning approach, along with our piss-poor medical staff. But how is that TT's fault? To me that lands squarely on MM's shoulders.

Yeah an lost in the first game of the playoffs. I'm not sure why they have all the injuries either, but they do.every.single.year.

So, you agree with...yourself....that they declined after the Super Bowl win despite winning 15 of their next 16 games. Got it.

Well when you go from winning the Super Bowl to not winning the Super Bowl, yeah that's a decline. And then the next season they were worse. And the next. Seeing a pattern here? This is the worst this team has looked since before the Super Bowl run. Maybe since Rodgers' first season as the starter.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

Are you denying the team has been in decline since the Super Bowl win? I am not calling for Ted's job or anything like that. That is a total straw man. I am just stating that he needs to hit on some of these early picks instead of wasting them on guys like Bulaga and Sherrod. They've gotten nothing out of their first round since 2009. It might have something to do with their medical vetting because Jones, Perry, Bulaga, and Sherrod have had their share of injuries. Might be training staff or something like that too. But they haven't had a first rounder produce since Raji and Matthews in 2009.

They have a lot of role players and those guys are decent but the lack of star power on defense rears it's head when Matthews goes out. If he can hit that first rounder out of the park, they'll get the injection of talent they need to push them over the top. If not, they simply won't ever be much better than they are now. They are good but not great. Their record in the playoffs since that super bowl is 1-2 with the only victory being over the Vikings last year. Not good enough and indicative of a team in decline.

I think the picks are a lot of luck to be honest. Good luck, bad luck, whatever. But when you get lucky, you look like a Genuis. Ted just hasn't gotten lucky lately. I'd love to see him get multiple shots in the first round again. I think to be quite frank, that the best draft strategy is to throw a lot of #### at the wall and see what sticks. That is what Ted did when he got to Green Bay and it worked. Lately, not so much.

Wait, since the Super Bowl win? Like when they went 15-1 the following year?The team has been decimated by injuries the past couple of years. Now, that should definitely raise some questions about our strength & conditioning approach, along with our piss-poor medical staff. But how is that TT's fault? To me that lands squarely on MM's shoulders.

Yeah an lost in the first game of the playoffs. I'm not sure why they have all the injuries either, but they do.every.single.year.

So, you agree with...yourself....that they declined after the Super Bowl win despite winning 15 of their next 16 games. Got it.

Well when you go from winning the Super Bowl to not winning the Super Bowl, yeah that's a decline. And then the next season they were worse. And the next. Seeing a pattern here? This is the worst this team has looked since before the Super Bowl run. Maybe since Rodgers' first season as the starter.

Seriously? The playoffs are a crapshoot. The team went 15-1, and you are calling it a decline. That is crazy.

 

[underdogx3]

Packer fans are lucky. Thompson continues to pull productive players out of the draft and puts a playoff team on the field every year. Not only that but you don't hear about locker room problems because he places such a high value on character.

 

[Sabertooth]

Are you denying the team has been in decline since the Super Bowl win? I am not calling for Ted's job or anything like that. That is a total straw man. I am just stating that he needs to hit on some of these early picks instead of wasting them on guys like Bulaga and Sherrod. They've gotten nothing out of their first round since 2009. It might have something to do with their medical vetting because Jones, Perry, Bulaga, and Sherrod have had their share of injuries. Might be training staff or something like that too. But they haven't had a first rounder produce since Raji and Matthews in 2009.

They have a lot of role players and those guys are decent but the lack of star power on defense rears it's head when Matthews goes out. If he can hit that first rounder out of the park, they'll get the injection of talent they need to push them over the top. If not, they simply won't ever be much better than they are now. They are good but not great. Their record in the playoffs since that super bowl is 1-2 with the only victory being over the Vikings last year. Not good enough and indicative of a team in decline.

I think the picks are a lot of luck to be honest. Good luck, bad luck, whatever. But when you get lucky, you look like a Genuis. Ted just hasn't gotten lucky lately. I'd love to see him get multiple shots in the first round again. I think to be quite frank, that the best draft strategy is to throw a lot of #### at the wall and see what sticks. That is what Ted did when he got to Green Bay and it worked. Lately, not so much.

Wait, since the Super Bowl win? Like when they went 15-1 the following year?The team has been decimated by injuries the past couple of years. Now, that should definitely raise some questions about our strength & conditioning approach, along with our piss-poor medical staff. But how is that TT's fault? To me that lands squarely on MM's shoulders.

Yeah an lost in the first game of the playoffs. I'm not sure why they have all the injuries either, but they do.every.single.year.

So, you agree with...yourself....that they declined after the Super Bowl win despite winning 15 of their next 16 games. Got it.

Well when you go from winning the Super Bowl to not winning the Super Bowl, yeah that's a decline. And then the next season they were worse. And the next. Seeing a pattern here? This is the worst this team has looked since before the Super Bowl run. Maybe since Rodgers' first season as the starter.

Seriously? The playoffs are a crapshoot. The team went 15-1, and you are calling it a decline. That is crazy.

give me a Super Bowl over 15-1 any year. Different definitions of success is all. And you are kind of missing the point anyway by fixating on that. I'd much rather discuss the years since the Super Bowl and the 15-2 season where they have steadily fallen off as a contender while Seattle, New Orleans, and San Fran have ascended. Everyone has injuries. That's why you have depth. Thompson and McCarthy whiffed on the Qb depth. And then tes came out and said "I didn't think about a backup Qb because I didn't want to jinx Rodgers" or some such come on Ted. I love ya but that's an answer you'd give a third grader. Probably the dumbest thing I have ever heard from him. He needs to do better or this team is going to continue to slide into mediocrity.

 

[sho nuff]

give me a Super Bowl over 15-1 any year. Different definitions of success is all. And you are kind of missing the point anyway by fixating on that. I'd much rather discuss the years since the Super Bowl and the 15-2 season where they have steadily fallen off as a contender while Seattle, New Orleans, and San Fran have ascended. Everyone has injuries. That's why you have depth. Thompson and McCarthy whiffed on the Qb depth. And then tes came out and said "I didn't think about a backup Qb because I didn't want to jinx Rodgers" or some such come on Ted. I love ya but that's an answer you'd give a third grader. Probably the dumbest thing I have ever heard from him.He needs to do better or this team is going to continue to slide into mediocrity.

I think everyone would rather have the SB. But they did not decline that first year after.

THey have been a contender up until this year losing Rodgers...do you recall how they were being talked about before he went out in that Bears game?

But its not a shock other teams have ascended...its a cyclical league. Its going to happen. It happened with Wolf/Favre...it will happen in cycles with Thompson/Rodgers as well.

Everyone does have injuries...but the severity is what will affect things. Part of KC's success this year has been a nice schedule, and that they have been pretty healthy all year. They are a very good team, but we see them falling off a bit now don't we?

GB led the league in starters "games lost" to injury last year at something like 83.

They are already at 73 now (I think this is already including Bulaga and Hayward for the rest of the year).

Did THompson really say he didn't want to jinx Rodgers? Id have to have seen that to know...but doubting there was any seriousness to it.

THey screwed up in trusting and not being able to get Coleman and Harrell ready...that is for sure.

But even so, a backup is not going to carry this team to much.

With Rodgers they are a contender...that much is pretty well known.

Without him, they are not good enough...another thing we already know.

 

[The Kerminator]

Are you denying the team has been in decline since the Super Bowl win? I am not calling for Ted's job or anything like that. That is a total straw man. I am just stating that he needs to hit on some of these early picks instead of wasting them on guys like Bulaga and Sherrod. They've gotten nothing out of their first round since 2009. It might have something to do with their medical vetting because Jones, Perry, Bulaga, and Sherrod have had their share of injuries. Might be training staff or something like that too. But they haven't had a first rounder produce since Raji and Matthews in 2009.

They have a lot of role players and those guys are decent but the lack of star power on defense rears it's head when Matthews goes out. If he can hit that first rounder out of the park, they'll get the injection of talent they need to push them over the top. If not, they simply won't ever be much better than they are now. They are good but not great. Their record in the playoffs since that super bowl is 1-2 with the only victory being over the Vikings last year. Not good enough and indicative of a team in decline.

I think the picks are a lot of luck to be honest. Good luck, bad luck, whatever. But when you get lucky, you look like a Genuis. Ted just hasn't gotten lucky lately. I'd love to see him get multiple shots in the first round again. I think to be quite frank, that the best draft strategy is to throw a lot of #### at the wall and see what sticks. That is what Ted did when he got to Green Bay and it worked. Lately, not so much.

Wait, since the Super Bowl win? Like when they went 15-1 the following year?The team has been decimated by injuries the past couple of years. Now, that should definitely raise some questions about our strength & conditioning approach, along with our piss-poor medical staff. But how is that TT's fault? To me that lands squarely on MM's shoulders.

Yeah an lost in the first game of the playoffs. I'm not sure why they have all the injuries either, but they do.every.single.year.

So, you agree with...yourself....that they declined after the Super Bowl win despite winning 15 of their next 16 games. Got it.

Well when you go from winning the Super Bowl to not winning the Super Bowl, yeah that's a decline. And then the next season they were worse. And the next. Seeing a pattern here? This is the worst this team has looked since before the Super Bowl run. Maybe since Rodgers' first season as the starter.

Seriously? The playoffs are a crapshoot. The team went 15-1, and you are calling it a decline. That is crazy.

give me a Super Bowl over 15-1 any year. Different definitions of success is all. And you are kind of missing the point anyway by fixating on that. I'd much rather discuss the years since the Super Bowl and the 15-2 season where they have steadily fallen off as a contender while Seattle, New Orleans, and San Fran have ascended. Everyone has injuries. That's why you have depth. Thompson and McCarthy whiffed on the Qb depth. And then tes came out and said "I didn't think about a backup Qb because I didn't want to jinx Rodgers" or some such come on Ted. I love ya but that's an answer you'd give a third grader. Probably the dumbest thing I have ever heard from him.He needs to do better or this team is going to continue to slide into mediocrity.

You're right. Everyone has injuries. Not to the degree GB has had them though and to the top players.Riddle me this.

How do you think New Orleans would do without their left tackle, Jimmy Graham, their top WR (Colston?) and without Drew Brees? Not to mention those being lost for only a few games.

How do you think Denver would do without their left tackle, Julius Thomas, Demaryius Thomas and Peyton Manning?

How do you think New England would do without their left tackle, Rob Gronkowski, Amendola and Tom Brady?