IDP spotlights general discussion thread (1 Viewer)

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Jene and I are a little surprised/disappointed at the lack of participation thus far in the spotlight threads. Maybe this was a bad time to launch these or maybe we chose some players that people don't have much to say about, but either way we'd like to try and make these as useful and active as the offensive player spotlights have become.

Obviously, there's a lot more traffic in the shark pool than there is here. But, this place seemed to get a ton more traffic over the past season compared to what it used to be like when we first opened this forum.

The whole point is to get message board input so they won't be as useful if it's just a few staff guys writing about these players like we do everywhere else. We're hoping to get a wider range of perspectives on some key players. We don't need long and detailed writeups, but just a key thought or two and some projections.

They've only been up a few days, but I just figured I'd start a thread to try and get some discussion going. Why do you guys think these aren't getting more replies? Anything you'd like to see us to do that would make you more likely to contribute/participate?

If you have any other questions or comments, let us know.

 

[Pick]

I like them.

 

[treat88]

I love the spotlights. My experience in IDP leagues is fairly limited to date, but I have been thoroughly converted recently.

I have not yet contributed as I may lack some of the insight the IDP vets display, but would be happy to offer my novice opinions.

I find it much more challenging to get a feel for defensive projections both due to my lack of experience, but also due to the complexities involved from a scheme and coaching staff perspective. The regulars are amazing in their depth in these regards.

Having said that, I hope to be a regular contributor to what I think is an excellent addition to the IDP forum.

 

[J Giles Band]

I think the timing is certainly a factor. We seem to be nearing the 'dead period' after the draft with most mini-camps wrapping up and prior to the start of training camp in late July.

And speaking only for myself, with some of the detail (including projections) you asked for... I didn't feel like I had enough insight to provide a useful evaluation on the particular players listed. I might on others...

That said, I am certainly more comfortable with your more recent request for less in depth input to get discussion started.

 

[Jene Bramel]

The whole point is to get message board input so they won't be as useful if it's just a few staff guys writing about these players like we do everywhere else. We're hoping to get a wider range of perspectives on some key players. We don't need long and detailed writeups, but just a key thought or two and some projections.

While we're certainly not going to look poorly on long, detailed writeups that consider every little angle , what we're really hoping for is a couple of sentences that'll help add some extra flavor and viewpoints to the staff writeup.

It was before my time around here that FBG did IDP spotlights, but here's a look at the great work that was done in the past. The message board quotes were primarily the "key thoughts" that Aaron mentioned above.

Given what I've seen over the past 18 months, I think a number of you (including some of our rarer posters/lurkers) are selling yourselves short on your IDP chops. Please don't hold back if you think you've got a contrarian opinion or if you're not sure your opinion is "good enough" or if you think you're just rewriting something another poster has already expressed.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

also, I'll likely just drop the projections requirement. it's an important part because it helps quantify exactly what people are expecting and I think the consensus is likely a pretty good indicator of where people stand, but I don't want people to choose not to participate because they are not comfortable projecting stats for a player.

So, consider the projections optional. We'd just really like to get more people active and involved in these so contribute as much as you feel comfortable with.

If anyone is looking for some added incentive, we'll likely hand out some prizes (FBG subscriptions, etc.) at the end to the people who we feel contributed the most to these features. This is also a great way for people to get noticed if they want to possibly help out with any FBG writing in the future or to participate in FBG-sanctioned leagues.

 

[Rozelle]

Jene and I are a little surprised/disappointed at the lack of participation thus far in the spotlight threads. Maybe this was a bad time to launch these or maybe we chose some players that people don't have much to say about, but either way we'd like to try and make these as useful and active as the offensive player spotlights have become.

Obviously, there's a lot more traffic in the shark pool than there is here. But, this place seemed to get a ton more traffic over the past season compared to what it used to be like when we first opened this forum.

The whole point is to get message board input so they won't be as useful if it's just a few staff guys writing about these players like we do everywhere else. We're hoping to get a wider range of perspectives on some key players. We don't need long and detailed writeups, but just a key thought or two and some projections.

They've only been up a few days, but I just figured I'd start a thread to try and get some discussion going. Why do you guys think these aren't getting more replies? Anything you'd like to see us to do that would make you more likely to contribute/participate?

If you have any other questions or comments, let us know.

Not sure why, for me, I’m not one who participates in numerous leagues, just one (a dynasty). On a few occasions … very few … I’ve played in two. I follow the players on my dynasty team very close, the rest, not so much. I had planned on, anytime there was an IDP spotlight on one of my guys, I’d chime in. I just don’t pay much attention to projections, never have for some reason, don't know why. I’ll come out and play, I don’t want to lose the IDP spotlights to the shark pool, mine may have a dynasty slant. It may be the weekend before I get a chance to get to it.

I think you might see more participation if ya'll (staffers) got together and come up with a list of some question marks (a half dozen or so), facing the players both short and long term.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

IDP is a different beast.

Don't sweat it. Its only mid June.

 

[pyite76]

Jene and I are a little surprised/disappointed at the lack of participation thus far in the spotlight threads. Maybe this was a bad time to launch these or maybe we chose some players that people don't have much to say about, but either way we'd like to try and make these as useful and active as the offensive player spotlights have become.

Obviously, there's a lot more traffic in the shark pool than there is here. But, this place seemed to get a ton more traffic over the past season compared to what it used to be like when we first opened this forum.

The whole point is to get message board input so they won't be as useful if it's just a few staff guys writing about these players like we do everywhere else. We're hoping to get a wider range of perspectives on some key players. We don't need long and detailed writeups, but just a key thought or two and some projections.

They've only been up a few days, but I just figured I'd start a thread to try and get some discussion going. Why do you guys think these aren't getting more replies? Anything you'd like to see us to do that would make you more likely to contribute/participate?

If you have any other questions or comments, let us know.

Not sure why, for me, I’m not one who participates in numerous leagues, just one (a dynasty). On a few occasions … very few … I’ve played in two. I follow the players on my dynasty team very close, the rest, not so much. I had planned on, anytime there was an IDP spotlight on one of my guys, I’d chime in. I just don’t pay much attention to projections, never have for some reason, don't know why. I’ll come out and play, I don’t want to lose the IDP spotlights to the shark pool, mine may have a dynasty slant. It may be the weekend before I get a chance to get to it.

I think you might see more participation if ya'll (staffers) got together and come up with a list of some question marks (a half dozen or so), facing the players both short and long term.

I am in the same boat here. Normally I frequent this board, but none of my guys have shown up in a spotlight yet. As I mainly focus on my dynasty roster, and certain prospects I have my eye on, I don't have much to say about players that I don't have rostered. Once some of my players show up, I was planning on chiming in.

 

[Zoomanji]

I'm another. I can give input on Eagles and maybe a few guys I own but for the most part I'm basing my opinions on a lot of guys from things I read here.

I think part of this is from the way we all watch football. We tend to take more notice of offensive players than D. There also is a little more variance week to week with guys on D depending on the tendencies of the offense they are playing.

A guy like Morrison, I just don't see play enough and I pay little attention to him when I do see his games (watching the O).

Landry I see more of but I can't really assess his value (I wish I could since I'm debating trading him).

 

[Bob Magaw]

thanx to the IDP board (regulars and newcomers) for the increased participation on the spotlights since this thread was posted...

the more perspectives and insights we can combine, the better they will be & that helps everybody, staff included...

 

[pretender]

thanx to the IDP board (regulars and newcomers) for the increased participation on the spotlights since this thread was posted...the more perspectives and insights we can combine, the better they will be & that helps everybody, staff included...

good or bad - I gave it shot with Dansby - a guy I've followed. I will continue to try and pick some guys I watch more than others. I'm very much a rook at this so....

 

[Bob Magaw]

again, great to see the more active involvement in the spotlight threads in recent days, & keep up the great work...

i meant to add that it is a big help to get input from as many people who are inclined to do so (veteran or not)...

somewhat like in the case with ADP, where it is useful to get broad input and not just from expert leagues, to get a better sense of where players are likely to be drafted... for slightly different reasons, it is also helpful to have breadth of input on projections (for those comfortable doing them, & i think the comfort level increases when you have an existing projection range with which to start with, whether it is a broad or tight range) and analysis...

while more seasoned and grizzled IDP vets may take into account more factors, that isn't in itself a gurantee they will be looking at the most important factors... and there can be many reasons for weighing those factors in different ways...

 

[kerpow]

I think the biggest reason for lack of participation is the variety of league formats. Almost all leagues have a typical offensive roster of 1 or 2 RB's, 2 or 3 WR's, TE and QB so everyone is addressing the same issues. IDP vary so much, some start a full 4-3-4, some may have as little as 4 IDP starters.

My league only starts 2 LB/DL, 2 DB and 2 D-flex with return yards so I'm really only interested in MLBs and Corners that have KR/PR duties.

Sorry I can't be more help.

 

[Chachi]

I hit up Morrison & Tillman and I'll get to a few tomorrow when I don't have to work.

 

[SugarNuts]

Ill chime in on the ones I know a bit about...

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

thanks guys. contribute where you can. we definitely appreciate it. first round of these was submitted and should turn up on the front page very soon.

 

[tazinib1]

I like the Spotlight series as well. Except when you guys are spotlighting a guy I'm targeting in my current draft

 

[bcr8f]

I like them but would like ones of little known players too.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

I like them but would like ones of little known players too.

I've thought about that, but if we can only get a few people to offer commentary on top-60 guys, I'm not sure how much activity the sleepers would get.we do plan to put out a big IDP sleeper article in a little while, so a lot of the lesser known players will be covered then.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

First 12 IDP Spotlights have been posted to the FBG Main Page

IDP Spotlights

# DE Aaron Schobel, Buffalo Bills - 7/12

# CB Charles Tillman, Chicago Bears - 7/12

# S Chris Harris, Carolina Panthers - 7/12

# DE Elvis Dumervil, Denver Broncos - 7/12

# DE Justin Tuck, New York Giants - 7/12

# LB Karlos Dansby, Arizona Cardinals - 7/12

# LB Kirk Morrison, Oakland Raiders - 7/12

# S LaRon Landry, Washington Redskins - 7/12

# CB Leigh Bodden, Detroit Lions - 7/12

# LB Michael Boley, Atlanta Falcons - 7/12

# LB Mike Peterson, Jacksonville Jaguars - 7/12

# DE Tamba Hali, Kansas City Chiefs - 7/12

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

We're hoping to wrap up the spotlights within the next week or so. If possible, please take a few minutes to post some thoughts/projections in the Group 5 and 6 threads since they haven't gotten too much activity yet. Thanks to everyone who has contributed thus far.

 

[Chachi]

I will try and hit up most, if not all the week 5 & 6 IDP spotlights on Sunday, I have some strong opinions on lots of the Week 6 guys, best group yet.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

We're hoping to wrap up the spotlights within the next week or so. If possible, please take a few minutes to post some thoughts/projections in the Group 5 and 6 threads since they haven't gotten too much activity yet. Thanks to everyone who has contributed thus far.

UPDATE: tomorrow will be the last day to contribute to group 6 spotlights before they get written up for the website. please take a few minutes to share your thoughts/projections on these players if you can. thanks.

 

[T Bell]

Part of the problem with IDP spotlights is that I think a lot of people are like me. I'm prone to projecting offensive players far more than defensive. Part of the reason for that is that my IDP teams are all in dynasty leagues, where the importance of projections is somewhat less; instead, I tend to form more generalized impressions of such players' potential and situation, and then rely upon week-to-week matchups.

Also, I feel that outside of relatively few players or positions on given teams, it's just more difficult to forecast with confidence defensive players' numbers. I think that that's a product of the fact that, while offenses truly do scheme plays and can design plays to run through certain players (e.g. the RB will get 18-20 carries; the QB will pass the ball 30+ times, etc.) the defense must react more to what it is facing, and has a harder time dictating things like "the WLB will get 8 tackles", etc.

Anyway, all of this makes me less prone to do projections on my own. I still try to contribute, particularly when I feel like I have a decent handle on a player's situation, but that's my explanation.

 

[DonFue]

Just realized what is going on here so I'll start posting for anyone out there. Newbie!

Will there be more groups?

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Will there be more groups?

no, this will be it. participation has been a bit underwhelming so not sure what we'll do next year.