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If a player takes a cheap shot at Brady (1 Viewer)
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hellz_fireflies
Footballguy
Trust me Brady is so damm good, any player taking a cheap shot will be hurt even more then Brady. Why even ask this?
brednbuddah
Footballguy
why would anyone take a cheap shot at Brady? They're playing a dignified football and exhibiting the utmost sportsmanship to all their opponents.
Johnny Ice
Footballguy
The same penalty it would be if the hit was on Trent Edwards.
mad sweeney
Footballguy
Haynesworth raking his cleats across the face of a man on the ground got only 5 games, don't remember what the fine was. And other than Charles Martin on McMahon I've never seen so blatant attempt to injure someone. So unless it's even on that magnitude I doubt there's a suspension. No reason for any special punishment just because it's Brady. Oh, and he'll use the same criteria for determining if it was deliberate as the people who claim that BB isn't running up the score.
ninerfanatic492000
Footballguy
to cheapshot brady the punishment would prolly be like some form of torture out of the SAW movies
dickey moe
Fingerpicker
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Mustang Man
Footballguy
No different then any other QB. The fine should not be more because it is Brady. I would be worried about that though if I were NE. 52-7 and going for it on 4th down will get your star players hurt in a hurry. Not very smart.
Grigs Allmoon
Footballguy
Did he actually get a fine for that? I never looked into it, but it was a typical Pats classless act. OBVIOUS attempt to injure.Max Power said:
switz
Footballguy
Depends on how it's done. I'm sure any shot which results in a Brady injury will be termed "cheap" but I have no doubts that players will try to take him out, but with clean hits.If the hit is clean, the NFL won't do anything. In fact, it will need to be pretty flagrant for anything outside the game to take place.i_didnt_fart said:
Max Power
Footballguy
yes, and it was a strange ruling by the NFL IMO. They ruled that it wasn't Wilfork's intent to injure Losman, and it was a combination of a lineman pushing him and him falling in a way where he accedentally hit Losman low. Then the NFL fines Wilfork for being "pushed" into Losman.
Max Power
Footballguy
why? Are the Pats dirty?
Red Apples
Footballguy
we would all share in the penalty as 32 different threads about the hit would spring out...
Mr. Peterson
Footballguy
Is the Pope Catholic?Is the sky blue?Am I handsome?OF COURSE THE PATRIOTS ARE DIRTY!!!!!!!
hellz_fireflies
Footballguy
If you saw a clean Pats player you know he sits on the bench all game!
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MCguidance
Footballguy
I remember that legal but illegal cheap shot Warren Sapp laid on Chad Clifton(?), did that get any games? That was bad.
chris1969
Footballguy
Agreed, and it doesn't have to be a dirty hit! Just a hard one!
mad sweeney
Footballguy
I can see them putting up 40+ with Brady and Stallworth, Welker, Gaffney and Watson. Can't see them doing the same with Cassell and Moss. And apparently neither does BB, that's why he pulled Matt for letting the Dolphins get within striking range. If he doesn't think Cassell can hold onto a 21 point lead in the 4th, he can't be a very good starter material. Brady;s the key. Cut the head off and the body will die.
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azgroover
Footballguy
Disagree. There's no ####### way.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
I could see a fine if it was flagrant but why should a cheap shot on Brady warrant a suspension vs a cheap shot on any other QB in the league?
chris1969
Footballguy
Without Moss, Welker and Stallworth look pretty pedestrian. Watson would see more action though.
mad sweeney
Footballguy
That's still a better receiving crew than he had on any SB team. He spreads the ball around to who's open and is the smartest guy on the field. You're completely off your rocker if you think Moss is more valuable to the team than Brady. Moss gets what, 7 catches a game? What about the other 30 or so passes? Stallworth and Welker have made allkinds of plays to score, from RZ to YAC targets. Watson too. They wouldn't score on 50 yard jump balls but they'd still drive in and score. Maybe it will take them all the way to the 4th quarter to pass 40 points without Moss, but without Brady they are vulnerable and underdogs to Indy for the AFC.
mad sweeney
Footballguy
They won 3 SBs with less. What's the key? Brady. Losing Moss would hurt, but not much. Losing Brady would be a death knell. You're welcome to your opinion, but I would bet that 98% of the board would agree that Brady is a lot bigger loss than Moss.
azgroover
Footballguy
I half agree with this. They can not win a Super Bowl without Brady. Might be possible without Moss if others could pickup the slack. However, they're definitely not routing teams by 30+ without Moss.That's still a better receiving crew than he had on any SB team. He spreads the ball around to who's open and is the smartest guy on the field. You're completely off your rocker if you think Moss is more valuable to the team than Brady. Moss gets what, 7 catches a game? What about the other 30 or so passes? Stallworth and Welker have made allkinds of plays to score, from RZ to YAC targets. Watson too. They wouldn't score on 50 yard jump balls but they'd still drive in and score. Maybe it will take them all the way to the 4th quarter to pass 40 points without Moss, but without Brady they are vulnerable and underdogs to Indy for the AFC.Disagree. There's no ####### way.
encaitar
Footballguy
To winning the football game? Yes, Brady is more important. To scoring an ungodly amount of points? Definitely Moss. He already did this once with the 1998 Vikings. It's a lot easier for Welker to get YAC when three guys are already 50 yards downfield with Moss.
chris1969
Footballguy
Not me, IMO Brady has always been a product of the system, see Derek Anderson. Once Moss is out of the picture, cover 2 looks really, really good to a defensive coordinator. Let the speed guys do their thing, it won't make much of a difference because even if the receiving corp with Moss is better than last year, the receiving corp without him is worse. Without Moss, the receiving corps would only appeal to a QB like Brett Farve.
This could easily become a situation where the line between "non-penalty" and "cheap" has to be defined. Nailing an opposing player who is nowhere near the ball, nor attempting to make a play, during a return on a turnover (Sapp-Clifton) is not a penalty. If I were Brady, I'd be running away after any interception...As to the comments about "any other" QB, that seems a bit pollyannic to me to think a hit that injures Brady wouldn't be reviewed under more scrutiny than the same situation against a lesser-name QB. There is a lot more intent to be read into a hit on Brady because of the success of the Pats and the running up of the score.
OU#1
Footballguy
QuizGuy66
Footballguy
Basically Matt Cassel until 3 minutes are left...
Road Warriors
Footballguy
Seriously? Reche Caldwell as your #1 with no #2 (Gafney didn't get started until very late ) is better than Stallworth/Welker? Without Moss, this is still the best WR talent Brady has had in his career.
chris1969
Footballguy
Yes seriously, Stallworth and Welker are only deep threats. If Moss went down, I'd play cover 2 all day and only really worry about Watson and Gafney.
eom
Footballguy
yeah? what'd they put up the last 6 games of last year w/that bunch of crap wr's they had?gaffney may have been the best of them, and where's he now on the depth chart.brady >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mossin fact, I'd rather lose moss than welker.
Road Warriors
Footballguy
You should really watch a game or 2. Welker is a slot receiver, goes across the middle all day. Stallworth, I can agree. He's primarily a deep threat. But I'm looking historically at the Pats WR over the past several years and comparing them to Welker/Stallworth. These 2 guys are as good/better than any WR tandem Brady's played with.
Road Warriors
Footballguy
If I'm a coach, I'm working to stop both Moss & Brady, not hoping one or both of them get hurt.
eom
Footballguy
this is one of those differences between a fantasy football message board coach and a real coach.
encaitar
Footballguy
You can't expect people on a fantasy football board to understand real football. Forget that defenses have to completely revamp their gameplan for Moss. Forget that Welker and Stallworth are only open because they are single covered since the safeties are worried about Moss.Tom Brady scores 5 TD's a game!!! There is no way Moss can influence a game like him.
mad sweeney
Footballguy
If there's one thing Welker's not, it's a deep threat. He's small and quick and finds holes in coverage then turns on the burners upfield. But deep threat?! Pretty much invalidates any argument you could have on the subject. A vast majority of his catches and TDs are short passes with a lot of YAC
Welker's stats are almost entirely under the "short middle" category...
mad sweeney
Footballguy
Forget the fact that Brady's been a top QB and the Pats an elite team for the last 5 years without even a Welker/Stallworth/Watson level receiving corps. Those two guys could never get open on their own and no way Brady can put up good numbers without Moss. I'm so glad to learn about "real" football on this board. I would've never know teams gameplan around Moss and certainly I'd never know that he was double covered on all his great catches in double coverage. How anybody can possibly think the team is better off without Brady than Moss is one of the most baffling things I've ever read on these boards.
Road Warriors
Footballguy
So you may have missed the original point here. Moss absolutely changes the game. He is a huge catalyst in the Pats passing game, and creates opportunities because he'll draw coverage. Welker is a great compliment to Moss in the passing game, a slot reciever coming underneath the coverage as the safties are staying deep, and moving the chains. Stallworth has shown me more with YAC this year than I recall in some of his other stints in NO & PHI. He can still stretch a field, though. The point I was speaking to was the following: That without Moss, this WR corps is worse than other WR groups the Pats have had over thieir recent history. I disagree. I think that Welker & Stallworth are an upgrade over the receivers the Pats had last year, and for several years previously. Branch never had a 1000 yd season. Givens never had a 1000 yd season. Caldwell never had a 1000 yd season. Troy Brown had 1, back in 2001, I think ( my dates could be off, but I'm not lookiong it up )Maybe Moss opens up the passing game so much that both of these guys will be 1000 yd receivers. But watching the games, it sure looks like these guys are performing above the level of any of the WR on the recent Pats teams.
