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If David Stern was your fantasy league's commissioner (1 Viewer)

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Tony Reali

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Would you return to the league next season?

Given what he did with the Lakers trade, what would you do if he did that in your league?

:popcorn:

 
Everyone in my league would hopefully return because a team being ran by the league (commish), is not allowed to make any trades until a new owner is found. In other words, the commish's veto nor other owners whining would never have come up.

 
'coolnerd said:
Everyone in my league would hopefully return because a team being ran by the league (commish), is not allowed to make any trades until a new owner is found. In other words, the commish's veto nor other owners whining would never have come up.
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the Hornet team doesn't have an owner but it sure does have a GM, what the hell is he there for then? Fire the popcorn guy too while we at it. No transactions until there's an owner....
 
You don't mess with David. He's called Stern for a reason.

By the way, anyone else love the impersonation that guy on the Steve Czaban show does of him? Very funny. It's a fairly regular thing they do.

And he's a 10x better commish than Bug Selig (no, not a typo).

Still not sure what to make of NFL commish whatsisname. I might be tempted to say something bad, but I don't want to sully the shield and get suspended 4 games.

Who do I want to commish my fantasy team? None of these guys. UFC commish Dana White.

 
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'gradin123 said:
The NBA is a joke league. They only are as popular as they are because ESPN shoves it down our throats.
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I don't watch much NBA. It's showtime for 44 minutes and then they play defense for the last 4 if the game happens to be close.Plus, forgive me for stereotyping, but I think most of them are thugs and/or stoners. I have a hard time being a "fan" of individual players. Now all these prima donnas are trying to determine for themselves where they play and who they play with.Lastly, I hate that they all are called "stars." They are players. Geez. 75% of them shouldn't be called stars. Blech.OK, rant over. :)
 
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'Couch Potato said:
'gradin123 said:
The NBA is a joke league. They only are as popular as they are because ESPN shoves it down our throats.
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I don't watch much NBA. It's showtime for 44 minutes and then they play defense for the last 4 if the game happens to be close.Plus, forgive me for stereotyping, but I think most of them are thugs and/or stoners. I have a hard time being a "fan" of individual players. Now all these prima donnas are trying to determine for themselves where they play and who they play with.Lastly, I hate that they all are called "stars." They are players. Geez. 75% of them shouldn't be called stars. Blech.OK, rant over. :)
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They are stoners. NBA players have agreed to additional drug testing, adding offseason screening for performance-enhancing drugs only. Players are not tested for weed.David Stern knows his league needs the gang and thug image to make it successful
 
'footballnerd said:
no idea how he can block that trade, Lakers gave up a lot to get Paul
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I'm taking my New Orleans hat off and leave my personal feelings aside.I came here wondering if there would be a post here (it's basketball, not football, right?) on this because when I heard of it I thought of all the posts here in the pasts by owners complaining their trades had been vetoed by owners or commissioners who deemed their trade "unfair." Usually those trades appeared legit to me and in any event no one - no one - has the right in any league real or fantasy.But here we are.Aside from the NBA being finally revealed as truly being on the level of wrestling and worse (considering the referee betting scandal) this is the result of being compromised by a fatal conflict of interest.
 
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'Jules Winnfield said:
'Couch Potato said:
'gradin123 said:
The NBA is a joke league. They only are as popular as they are because ESPN shoves it down our throats.
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I don't watch much NBA. It's showtime for 44 minutes and then they play defense for the last 4 if the game happens to be close.Plus, forgive me for stereotyping, but I think most of them are thugs and/or stoners. I have a hard time being a "fan" of individual players. Now all these prima donnas are trying to determine for themselves where they play and who they play with.Lastly, I hate that they all are called "stars." They are players. Geez. 75% of them shouldn't be called stars. Blech.OK, rant over. :)
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They are stoners. NBA players have agreed to additional drug testing, adding offseason screening for performance-enhancing drugs only. Players are not tested for weed.David Stern knows his league needs the gang and thug image to make it successful
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I think pot ought to be legal by the way, even though I don't smoke it. My point was just that the "put them on a pedestal" ESPN-style mentality annoys me when these guys are no more special than anyone else.
 
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'Phenix said:
'footballnerd said:
no idea how he can block that trade, Lakers gave up a lot to get Paul
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thats the point, but still no trade should ever be veto, even ones in the worst league in sports, the nba.
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My understanding is that he vetoed the trade as the owner of the team; not as the comissioner of the League. Maybe as an owner he doesn't see how the team could support the salaries, long and short term, of the players he (as owner/representative of the Hornets) would have acquired. Perhaps those salaries would have made sale of the team less attractive.It was a nice attempt at a salary dump by the Lakers though.
 
It's crazy people are complaining this much.

1. The trade was not official until today.

2. The NBA owns the Hornets so it is no different than an owner agreeing to a deal the. Having second thoughts.

3. LOL at people thinking they gave up a lot. Gasol is nothing without Kobe and is on his way down. And Odom plays half the time when he wants for a young top talent and is younger.

 
This is why the NBA is horrible. They totally cater to the top markets. They need a hard salary cap and non guaranteed money to correct this problem.

 
'pantherclub said:
This is why the NBA is horrible. They totally cater to the top markets. They need a hard salary cap and non guaranteed money to correct this problem.
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Usually agree with this statement, but this was completely against the "catering to the top market" thing. The Lakers lost out on this one.
 
No one is mentioning that their new CBA was supposed to STOP huge markets like L.A. from just taking the best talent from smaller market teams.

You tell owners this wont happen then a league owned team just does it...other owners would all be justifiably pissed. What probably added to thier frustration was the Lakers announcing that they were basically going to do this before doing it...

 
'footballnerd said:
'coolnerd said:
Everyone in my league would hopefully return because a team being ran by the league (commish), is not allowed to make any trades until a new owner is found. In other words, the commish's veto nor other owners whining would never have come up.
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the Hornet team doesn't have an owner but it sure does have a GM, what the hell is he there for then? Fire the popcorn guy too while we at it. No transactions until there's an owner....
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Not restricteing them worked really well for the league. I mean the Hornets trade a value piece to it most high profile team (shady) or having the league/commissioner (whoever) cancel an agreed to trade. either way the league appears like it is manipulating things they should not be involved. Could not have worked out any worse.
 
'solorca said:
'pantherclub said:
This is why the NBA is horrible. They totally cater to the top markets. They need a hard salary cap and non guaranteed money to correct this problem.
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Usually agree with this statement, but this was completely against the "catering to the top market" thing. The Lakers lost out on this one.
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In order to win in the NBA you need stars...Odom and Gasol have seen better days and CP3 will only have better days...especially with Kobe. The NBA would LOVE for you to think Gasol and Odom will be anything other then average without Kobe...
 
'SlevinKelevra said:
'Tony Reali said:
Would you return to the league next season?Given what he did with the Lakers trade, what would you do if he did that in your league? :popcorn:
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The Hornets are controlled by the NBA
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The Hornets are controlled by every other team in the NBA. We are their bioches pretty much. And no I would never play Fantasy football again it would leave too bad a taste in my mouth.As for this situation from a Hornet' fan prospective, The NBA is holding our city hostage. they are not getting us a new owner and let us compete on an even playing field with all the other teams. And now Chris paul is being forced to play where he doesnt want to be and where he is no longer wanted by the fans. He will fake an injury if he even shows up at all to camp and then he walks to whatever franchise he wants next season as a free agent and the Hornets will get nothing because the NBA is once again screwing us.
 
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And for some perspective this is basically having an owner drop out of the league and his team being controlled by the commish....THEN the commish saying he won't do anything drastic like trading that teams best player (best at their particular position) to the first place team for 2 declining veterans and then doing it!

The sad part is that Stern ONLY declined it because people #####ed and NOT because of what was just discussed at meetings only WEEKS ago...

That league is a joke and will follow the same path as boxing...

 
In every sport, any transaction can be overruled by the owner of the team- as far as I'm concerned if you spend millions to buy a team you ABSOLUTELY have the right not to trade away your best player.

 
In the little bit that I have been following this, reasons given for suspending the trade have included:

- NBA technically controls the Hornets and they felt the team did not get fairly compensated for Paul.

- The Lakers seemed to end up saving $40+ million and did not include any draft picks to obtain Paul. By comparison, the Knicks and Nuggets had to work out a more even exchange of players and salaries last year for Melo to switch teams.

- Small market team owners were apparently strong armed into agreeing to the new CBA when they were fearful of becoming mostly irrelevant when it came to free agents and super teams. Stern was apparently supporting their position and this was payback for them ratifying the new agreement.

As far as the question in the OP, any time the commish is also an owner of a fantasy franchise there is a possibility of a conflict of interest. I doubt a trade like this would ever get nixed in any of my leagues. It just wouldn't happen.

 
'Breesisdaman said:
'SlevinKelevra said:
'Tony Reali said:
Would you return to the league next season?Given what he did with the Lakers trade, what would you do if he did that in your league? :popcorn:
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The Hornets are controlled by the NBA
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The Hornets are controlled by every other team in the NBA. We are their bioches pretty much. And no I would never play Fantasy football again it would leave too bad a taste in my mouth.As for this situation from a Hornet' fan prospective, The NBA is holding our city hostage. they are not getting us a new owner and let us compete on an even playing field with all the other teams. And now Chris paul is being forced to play where he doesnt want to be and where he is no longer wanted by the fans. He will fake an injury if he even shows up at all to camp and then he walks to whatever franchise he wants next season as a free agent and the Hornets will get nothing because the NBA is once again screwing us.
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Has the NBA turned away potential buyers? Why would it do that?
 
An uncompetitive league is an uninteresting league.

The NBA will reap what they sow.

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It's too bad about Paul. He's been a good guy, a good citizen, charitable, professional, awesome to watch. Our City honors its heroes, idolizes them. Pistol Pete Maravich's number hangs in the Superdome still. But Paul is not obligated to be this generation's Archie Manning. This franchise has so many problems, beginning with the fact they have never had any idea how to mold with the local identity which is so important here. The only criticism I have of Paul is that he did not meld into the community himself, but simply wants the NYC/L.A. glam and stardom. And he has lately shown his preference in spades. Good, CP, great, go, now git. The Hornets, who just reached what for them are new season ticket heights (why? I have no idea) are in serious trouble.

 
Id ring his doorbell. Punch face in front of wife kids dog cat....I dont play in leagues that veto because the commish thinks its unfair. What would be the ff equivalent of this. Dmc for jordy nelson and james starks? Dmc would be chris paul he has injury issues but is elite when playing. Nelson would be gasol he excels with the team/system he is in but could he do it on another team and gb could use a good rb so odom is like starks he is hurt for half a season but can be pretty good when healthy. This is the only scenario i can think of.

Say after like week 7 would you allow dmc for jordy nelson/starks?

Eta was just trying to be creative and not serious. Oops just saw it was a 3 team trade so moot point

 
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'greenroom said:
It's crazy people are complaining this much. 1. The trade was not official until today. 2. The NBA owns the Hornets so it is no different than an owner agreeing to a deal the. Having second thoughts. 3. LOL at people thinking they gave up a lot. Gasol is nothing without Kobe and is on his way down. And Odom plays half the time when he wants for a young top talent and is younger.
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Trades take several days and phases to put together, interesting that it went all the way to "accepted" before Stern put his foot down. Why? because some small cap markets complained it was unfair that they can never pull a big name like that. Highly doubt this was unfair as you don't give up size like that for nothing, who do the Lakers have on the bench after that? Bynum and that's it, expect them to get dominated inside. Plus NO got plenty of pieces from the Rockets. I'm not a Laker fan, I actually hate them, but that was a fair deal.
 
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This trade was killed much the same way that most FF trades are. One owner got his panties in a bunch. Not because of the trade being ufair per se, but becaause the better team who they compete with was making out well, and might be to hard to compete with in the future.

Yahoo! Sports attained a copy of an email sent by Cleveland Cavaliers owner Dan Gilbert to NBA commissioner David Stern about a recently nixed trade that would have sent New Orleans Hornets guard Chris Paul to the Los Angeles Lakers.

A part of that email read:

“I cannot remember ever seeing a trade where a team got by far the best player in the trade and saved over $40 million in the process. And it doesn’t appear that they would give up any draft picks, which might allow to later make a trade for Dwight Howard. (They would also get a large trade exception that would help them improve their team and/or eventually trade for Howard.) When the Lakers got Pau Gasol (at the time considered an extremely lopsided trade) they took on tens of millions in additional salary and luxury tax and they gave up a number of prospects (one in Marc Gasol who may become a max-salary player).

I just don’t see how we can allow this trade to happen.

I know the vast majority of owners feel the same way that I do.

When will we just change the name of 25 of the 30 teams to the Washington Generals?”

Gilbert has been known as one of the more outspoken owners in the league ever since his former player, LeBron James, made the decision to sign with the Miami Heat last offseason. At the time Gilbert wrote a scathing letter to Cavaliers fans about James’ decision, and he has continued to be vocal about the importance of maintaining a competitive balance within the league.
 
the small cap teams like Gilbert also saw the writing on the wall, that Howard was coming to LA next year as a FA, "Hating" at its finest. Which is why there should be no vetoes in FFL

 
'Hipple said:
This trade was killed much the same way that most FF trades are. One owner got his panties in a bunch. Not because of the trade being ufair per se, but becaause the better team who they compete with was making out well, and might be to hard to compete with in the future.

Yahoo! Sports attained a copy of an email sent by Cleveland Cavaliers owner Dan Gilbert to NBA commissioner David Stern about a recently nixed trade that would have sent New Orleans Hornets guard Chris Paul to the Los Angeles Lakers.

A part of that email read:

“I cannot remember ever seeing a trade where a team got by far the best player in the trade and saved over $40 million in the process. And it doesn’t appear that they would give up any draft picks, which might allow to later make a trade for Dwight Howard. (They would also get a large trade exception that would help them improve their team and/or eventually trade for Howard.) When the Lakers got Pau Gasol (at the time considered an extremely lopsided trade) they took on tens of millions in additional salary and luxury tax and they gave up a number of prospects (one in Marc Gasol who may become a max-salary player).

I just don’t see how we can allow this trade to happen.

I know the vast majority of owners feel the same way that I do.

When will we just change the name of 25 of the 30 teams to the Washington Generals?”

Gilbert has been known as one of the more outspoken owners in the league ever since his former player, LeBron James, made the decision to sign with the Miami Heat last offseason. At the time Gilbert wrote a scathing letter to Cavaliers fans about James’ decision, and he has continued to be vocal about the importance of maintaining a competitive balance within the league.
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The entire e-mail was 100% true.

The NBA can't have the Lakers falling off.

 
'Mario Kart said:
How is a basketball thread allowed in the shark pool?
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I didn't expect this to become an NBA thread, I thought it was gonna be an unruly commissioner thread. I thought it was the perfect time, because I think everyone's had a commissioner who vetoed a trade or owners vote to veto one unfairly :popcorn:
 
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Also Gilbert did have a point with the salaries. With the deal, LA would free up something like $40 million in salary and then save $20 million in luxury taxes or something which small market owners benefit from

 
'Tony Reali said:
Also Gilbert did have a point with the salaries. With the deal, LA would free up something like $40 million in salary and then save $20 million in luxury taxes or something which small market owners benefit from
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But all trades need to work out financially, I don't know the details of it, but they had to balance it out somehow and it worked. Can't hate that the Lakers are smarter than the Cavs. Gilbert needs to hire some better basketball minds and get his head out of the vaccuum it's in. There's other ways to win a championship besides having super star players, see the Detroit Pistons. And I have no idea how Cuban can submit a complaint with Gilbert, didn't Dal JUST win one? Going back to FFL, if its within the rules the deal should stand. Now the Hornets probably go through the season, lose Paul next year to FA, and get nothing in return.
 
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I don't like shady trades and this isn't one 'em. Chris Paul is a free agent after 66 games. Best thing New Orleans can do is get something for him which they tried to do. I think all three teams would have benefited if the trade went through. Stern really messed up this time.

 
One more point and I'll let this thread die haha. These owners that are complaining they are losing their stars, who created and signed these contracts with "outs" like this, they did. Sounds like someone trying to blame everyone else for the work they did.

 
A lot of people here overlooking two key facts with the "The Lakers tried to get Paul for almost nothing" bs...

1) Chris Paul has 2 bad knees. He's a risk.

2) Chris Paul will be a free agent after this season. Getting a decent haul for him would be great for the Hornets...he's worthless to them after this season...a greatly shortened season at that.

The NBA is a rigged joke. I don't watch it often but will absolutely not watch a single game this season and probably not in the future. The Refs, blocking legit trades, it's just rediculous. I'm done.

 
'Tony Reali said:
Also Gilbert did have a point with the salaries. With the deal, LA would free up something like $40 million in salary and then save $20 million in luxury taxes or something which small market owners benefit from
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You guys need to listen to yourselves."He's right! We can't have teams making GOOD trades...the nerve!"Good deal for the Lakers, good deal for the Hornets, good deal for the Rockets.Bad deal for the rest of the NBA since all three teams improve in this trade. Boo hoo. Make your own trades and attempt to improve your own teams rather than whine.
 
'Warrior said:
'Tony Reali said:
Also Gilbert did have a point with the salaries. With the deal, LA would free up something like $40 million in salary and then save $20 million in luxury taxes or something which small market owners benefit from
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You guys need to listen to yourselves."He's right! We can't have teams making GOOD trades...the nerve!"Good deal for the Lakers, good deal for the Hornets, good deal for the Rockets.Bad deal for the rest of the NBA since all three teams improve in this trade. Boo hoo. Make your own trades and attempt to improve your own teams rather than whine.
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thats why i thought this tied into FF so well. so often, trades are vetoed or considered for veto because, even though it helps both teams, it makes one thats already good even better so the other owners get butthurt and want to reject it.plus, this trade was garbage for the rockets. they got fleeced
 
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