If David Stern was your fantasy league's commissioner (1 Viewer)

[Kitrick Taylor]

Also Gilbert did have a point with the salaries. With the deal, LA would free up something like $40 million in salary and then save $20 million in luxury taxes or something which small market owners benefit from

You guys need to listen to yourselves."He's right! We can't have teams making GOOD trades...the nerve!"

Good deal for the Lakers, good deal for the Hornets, good deal for the Rockets.

Bad deal for the rest of the NBA since all three teams improve in this trade. Boo hoo. Make your own trades and attempt to improve your own teams rather than whine.

If by good deal for the Hornets, you mean they are agreeing to be stuck in mediocrity for the forseeable future, than yeah. Good deal!IMO this development of the "Super Teams" is going to be the straw that breaks the NBA's back. They'll be as irrelevant as Pro Boxing in less than a decade.

 

[footballnerd]

If by good deal for the Hornets, you mean they are agreeing to be stuck in mediocrity for the forseeable future, than yeah. Good deal!IMO this development of the "Super Teams" is going to be the straw that breaks the NBA's back. They'll be as irrelevant as Pro Boxing in less than a decade.

better than seeing CP3 walk and get nothing in return. They would of gotten some key pieces of the HOU team, Kevin Martin, Scola, and then Odom, all nice depth additions. So yes it is a good deal for them.Anyways, its not over yet, they are back to the negotiation table to appease the whining owners. Deal will get done.Just like in FFL you can't completely stop two teams who want to deal.

 

[LargeMouthBass]

Also Gilbert did have a point with the salaries. With the deal, LA would free up something like $40 million in salary and then save $20 million in luxury taxes or something which small market owners benefit from

You guys need to listen to yourselves."He's right! We can't have teams making GOOD trades...the nerve!"Good deal for the Lakers, good deal for the Hornets, good deal for the Rockets.Bad deal for the rest of the NBA since all three teams improve in this trade. Boo hoo. Make your own trades and attempt to improve your own teams rather than whine.

thats why i thought this tied into FF so well. so often, trades are vetoed or considered for veto because, even though it helps both teams, it makes one thats already good even better so the other owners get butthurt and want to reject it.plus, this trade was garbage for the rockets. they got fleeced

Now now, don't mix reality with fantasy. In the real world, these players actually get paid real money and there are salary caps involved. In fantasy, well, it's just fantasy, don't compare the two like it's the same.

 

[Shrugs]

Sadly, all my leagues do have commissioners the quality of David Stern. I will not be returning to them next year.

 

[pantherclub]

Sadly, all my leagues do have commissioners the quality of David Stern. I will not be returning to them next year.

keep us posted

 

[eakfootball]

I talking basketball, but this should be ffa.

 

[Mario Kart]

better than seeing CP3 walk and get nothing in return.

Lol at this. Nicknames for this crap too?CP1 = Corey PavinCP2 = Curtis PainterSpell the name out. It's nine characters. Move this.

 

[notdarkyet]

The reason they vetoed is other owners complaining that it would make the Lakers too good essentially.

Having your league vote on trades is stooopid.

 

[LargeMouthBass]

The reason they vetoed is other owners complaining that it would make the Lakers too good essentially.Having your league vote on trades is stooopid.

Get your facts straight and stop spewing nonsense. Where's the article that says this?

 

[footballnerd]

better than seeing CP3 walk and get nothing in return.

Lol at this. Nicknames for this crap too?CP1 = Corey PavinCP2 = Curtis PainterSpell the name out. It's nine characters. Move this.

obviously you're mad this thread is talking basketball, CP3 is about as common in hoops as CJ2K

 

[notdarkyet]

The reason they vetoed is other owners complaining that it would make the Lakers too good essentially.Having your league vote on trades is stooopid.

Get your facts straight and stop spewing nonsense. Where's the article that says this?

I'll try to find one, but that was what was said on sports center the other night.

 

[cvnpoka]

the owners claim to have taken issue bc the hornets were taking on extra salary while the lakers were shedding salary and avoiding the luxury tax. since the hornets are owned by the nba, the other owners were essentially paying the extra money. or something like that. also, some owners were upset they would miss out on being subsidized by the tax the lakers previously were paying.

i dunno, proly sour grapes that the lakers were getting an elite player.

now there are reports that a david west for jermaine oneal deal is imminent. that is an infinitely worse deal for the hornets in terms of compensation and financial burden.

nba is in a bad spot, they shoulda sold the team to the numerous prospective buyers that put out bids. ofc, then they would not have been able to use the fact there was team for sale in their media war against the players during the lockout.

 

[notdarkyet]

The reason they vetoed is other owners complaining that it would make the Lakers too good essentially.Having your league vote on trades is stooopid.

Get your facts straight and stop spewing nonsense. Where's the article that says this?

I'll try to find one, but that was what was said on sports center the other night.

https://www.google.com/search?gcx=w&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=pressure+from+team+owners+void+paul+dealhttp://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2011/12/08/cbs-sports-lakers-will-trade-odom-gasol-for-chris-paul/

NBA owners have reportedly complained enough to the league to kill a deal that would have brought All-Star Chris Paul to the Lakers in a three-way trade, with Lamar Odom heading to New Orleans and Pau Gasol going to Houston.The NBA owns the Hornets and it is believed other owners from across the league put tremendous pressure on commissioner David Stern to void the trade, or force the Lakers to add more players to the deal.

http://offthedribble.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/12/09/veto-of-chris-paul-trade-is-lose-lose-all-around/

Did Commissioner David Stern e-mail the owners who had pressured him into voiding the original deal for “basketball reasons” on Friday morning to ask: “Happy now?”The power play seemed to have more to do with the Lakers than the Hornets and did nothing but reinforce old conspiratorial notions that the N.B.A. is a rigged sport, in one direction or another.We do understand why some owners, so tired of hearing about Showtime and sunshine, would think with their hearts as opposed to their heads.

http://blogs.palmbeachpost.com/heatzone/2011/12/09/expect-ripple-effects-of-voided-chris-paul-deal/

David Stern’s decision to void the three-team deal featuring Chris Paul — apparently at the behest of Cavaliers owner Dan Gilbert — could put a crimp in player movement today, with free agents allowed to officially sign as of 2 p.m.

http://midwaymadness.com/2011/12/nba-making-moves-bulls-stay-quiet/

* A deal that would have sent Chris Paul to the Lakers, Pau Gasol to the Rockets and Lamar Odom to the Hornets (among other players) has been nixed after team owners objected to the NBA-owned Hornets trading their franchise player. After the deal was announced, their was an uproar among owners, leading David Stern to void the deal. Now, it seems an uproar over the uproar is growing louder, putting the pressure back on Stern to make the deal go through. Paul makes about $15 million a season, so it is hard to feel too bad for the guy.

I'll stop spewing nonsense now.

 

[one time]

The reason they vetoed is other owners complaining that it would make the Lakers too good essentially.

Having your league vote on trades is stooopid.

Get your facts straight and stop spewing nonsense. Where's the article that says this?

I'll try to find one, but that was what was said on sports center the other night.

https://www.google.com/search?gcx=w&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=pressure+from+team+owners+void+paul+dealhttp://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2011/12/08/cbs-sports-lakers-will-trade-odom-gasol-for-chris-paul/

NBA owners have reportedly complained enough to the league to kill a deal that would have brought All-Star Chris Paul to the Lakers in a three-way trade, with Lamar Odom heading to New Orleans and Pau Gasol going to Houston.

The NBA owns the Hornets and it is believed other owners from across the league put tremendous pressure on commissioner David Stern to void the trade, or force the Lakers to add more players to the deal.

http://offthedribble.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/12/09/veto-of-chris-paul-trade-is-lose-lose-all-around/

Did Commissioner David Stern e-mail the owners who had pressured him into voiding the original deal for “basketball reasons” on Friday morning to ask: “Happy now?”

The power play seemed to have more to do with the Lakers than the Hornets and did nothing but reinforce old conspiratorial notions that the N.B.A. is a rigged sport, in one direction or another.

We do understand why some owners, so tired of hearing about Showtime and sunshine, would think with their hearts as opposed to their heads.

http://blogs.palmbeachpost.com/heatzone/2011/12/09/expect-ripple-effects-of-voided-chris-paul-deal/

David Stern’s decision to void the three-team deal featuring Chris Paul — apparently at the behest of Cavaliers owner Dan Gilbert — could put a crimp in player movement today, with free agents allowed to officially sign as of 2 p.m.

http://midwaymadness.com/2011/12/nba-making-moves-bulls-stay-quiet/

* A deal that would have sent Chris Paul to the Lakers, Pau Gasol to the Rockets and Lamar Odom to the Hornets (among other players) has been nixed after team owners objected to the NBA-owned Hornets trading their franchise player. After the deal was announced, their was an uproar among owners, leading David Stern to void the deal. Now, it seems an uproar over the uproar is growing louder, putting the pressure back on Stern to make the deal go through. Paul makes about $15 million a season, so it is hard to feel too bad for the guy.

I'll stop spewing nonsense now.

A lot of people guessing and assuming things, not much reporting.

 

[Instinctive]

It would depend on whether or not the rest of us owners each owned an equal part of one team involved in the deal...THE LEAGUE OWNS THE TEAM

 

[nxmehta]

This trade was killed much the same way that most FF trades are. One owner got his panties in a bunch. Not because of the trade being ufair per se, but becaause the better team who they compete with was making out well, and might be to hard to compete with in the future.

Yahoo! Sports attained a copy of an email sent by Cleveland Cavaliers owner Dan Gilbert to NBA commissioner David Stern about a recently nixed trade that would have sent New Orleans Hornets guard Chris Paul to the Los Angeles Lakers.

A part of that email read:

“I cannot remember ever seeing a trade where a team got by far the best player in the trade and saved over $40 million in the process. And it doesn’t appear that they would give up any draft picks, which might allow to later make a trade for Dwight Howard. (They would also get a large trade exception that would help them improve their team and/or eventually trade for Howard.) When the Lakers got Pau Gasol (at the time considered an extremely lopsided trade) they took on tens of millions in additional salary and luxury tax and they gave up a number of prospects (one in Marc Gasol who may become a max-salary player).

I just don’t see how we can allow this trade to happen.

I know the vast majority of owners feel the same way that I do.

When will we just change the name of 25 of the 30 teams to the Washington Generals?”

Gilbert has been known as one of the more outspoken owners in the league ever since his former player, LeBron James, made the decision to sign with the Miami Heat last offseason. At the time Gilbert wrote a scathing letter to Cavaliers fans about James’ decision, and he has continued to be vocal about the importance of maintaining a competitive balance within the league.

You bet!!!! Dan Gilbert is the ultimate power broker in the NBA. What he says, goes. All it takes is one email, and BAM. Seriously did you see that email he sent last year to David Stern demanding that the Mavs win the championship???

 

[Short Corner]

The NBA is a joke league. They only are as popular as they are because ESPN shoves it down our throats.

I don't watch much NBA. It's showtime for 44 minutes and then they play defense for the last 4 if the game happens to be close.Plus, forgive me for stereotyping, but I think most of them are thugs and/or stoners. I have a hard time being a "fan" of individual players. Now all these prima donnas are trying to determine for themselves where they play and who they play with.Lastly, I hate that they all are called "stars." They are players. Geez. 75% of them shouldn't be called stars. Blech.OK, rant over.

They are stoners. NBA players have agreed to additional drug testing, adding offseason screening for performance-enhancing drugs only. Players are not tested for weed.David Stern knows his league needs the gang and thug image to make it successful

Because weed testing should be mandatory in all occupations.

 

[Short Corner]

It's crazy people are complaining this much. 1. The trade was not official until today. 2. The NBA owns the Hornets so it is no different than an owner agreeing to a deal the. Having second thoughts. 3. LOL at people thinking they gave up a lot. Gasol is nothing without Kobe and is on his way down. And Odom plays half the time when he wants for a young top talent and is younger.

Trades take several days and phases to put together, interesting that it went all the way to "accepted" before Stern put his foot down. Why? because some small cap markets complained it was unfair that they can never pull a big name like that. Highly doubt this was unfair as you don't give up size like that for nothing, who do the Lakers have on the bench after that? Bynum and that's it, expect them to get dominated inside. Plus NO got plenty of pieces from the Rockets. I'm not a Laker fan, I actually hate them, but that was a fair deal.

It was accepted because ESPN told you so? In the span of about 10 minutes, separate ESPN talking heads tweeted Howard requested a trade to the Lakers, then to the Nets, then to the Mavs. These tools have given up reporting for some time in hopes of being the first guy to break the story and all of the robots who tune in to their garbage regurgitate it as gospel on message boards like this one. The trade was never accepted because the CBA hadn't been ratified yet. The NBA is trying to sell this team and any transaction that even hints at devaluing the franchise will be nixed, and deservedly so by the current ownership, ie the other 28 owners.

 

[DropKick]

Curiously, we do have a potential case of collusion here. However, unlike collusion between fantasy owners this is collusion among players. I don't follow basketball very closely, but my understanding is that Paul and Howard have a goal to play together... not unlike the building of last year's "super team" in Miami. With the money freed by this deal, the Lakers would be positioned to field Kobe, Paul and Howard. The concentration of talent can kill the competitive balance of a league (and be a real threat to the economic viability of the small market teams). This isn't a fantasy league. As someone said, A non-competitive league is not very interesting.

 

[footballnerd]

The NBA is trying to sell this team and any transaction that even hints at devaluing the franchise will be nixed, and deservedly so by the current ownership, ie the other 28 owners.

and the franchise will be worth so much more when Paul walks as a free agent next year and they get nothing in return? Kevin Martin, Scola, Odom, Drajic (who is a solid future prospect) plus a pick is not a bad return for Paul.

 

[Short Corner]

The NBA is trying to sell this team and any transaction that even hints at devaluing the franchise will be nixed, and deservedly so by the current ownership, ie the other 28 owners.

and the franchise will be worth so much more when Paul walks as a free agent next year and they get nothing in return?

False dichotomies are fun.

 

[footballnerd]

The NBA is trying to sell this team and any transaction that even hints at devaluing the franchise will be nixed, and deservedly so by the current ownership, ie the other 28 owners.

and the franchise will be worth so much more when Paul walks as a free agent next year and they get nothing in return?

False dichotomies are fun.

I'm sorry, Chris Paul is not a Free Agent next year?

 

[Short Corner]

The NBA is trying to sell this team and any transaction that even hints at devaluing the franchise will be nixed, and deservedly so by the current ownership, ie the other 28 owners.

and the franchise will be worth so much more when Paul walks as a free agent next year and they get nothing in return?

False dichotomies are fun.

I'm sorry, Chris Paul is not a Free Agent next year?

Well that depends, but according to you, if this particular trade doesn't get done he is and he signs with someone else. No other trade offers possible, right?

 

[footballnerd]

Well that depends, but according to you, if this particular trade doesn't get done he is and he signs with someone else. No other trade offers possible, right?

well, I'm under the impression that the Hornets took the best offer available, and any other offer taken after is a 2nd choice. Not thinking a team with a better offer would hold their card to see if the LA deal would go through. Guess we'll have to see what players are involved when it happens, but that last one wasn't a rip off on the Hornets as other teams made it seem. Edit: And I guess that's where we get into the tricky part of best available offer that Paul will resign with the team he's traded to, this is where it might come to a stand still and Paul walks.

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

The NBA is trying to sell this team and any transaction that even hints at devaluing the franchise will be nixed, and deservedly so by the current ownership, ie the other 28 owners.

and the franchise will be worth so much more when Paul walks as a free agent next year and they get nothing in return?

False dichotomies are fun.

I'm sorry, Chris Paul is not a Free Agent next year?

Well that depends, but according to you, if this particular trade doesn't get done he is and he signs with someone else. No other trade offers possible, right?

It would be really fun to watch the league nix the trade because it's better to keep Paul where he is...and then ship him somewhere else. The NBA is looking more and more like a weak fantasy football league you start at work just to have something to do.

 

[cvnpoka]

once again david stern proves who daddy is. such a better haul for the hornets.