Statorama
Footballguy
I think that the factor a lot of people in this thread are overlooking is that Coach B has a full two weeks to prepare for this game. That's just not fair.
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If Giants beat Patriots in SB XLII.... (1 Viewer)
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Solidsteel Rats
Footballguy
WIN OR LOSE NYG ARE HAPPY HAS HELL JUST TO BE THERE>>>>GO G_MEN..life is like a box of rubbers.
Jason Wood
Zoo York
I made a comment that this would be the biggest upset in SB history were the Giants to win, but those who pointed the Jets/Colts out were correct to do so. This would be the SECOND biggest upset in the SB era.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
That has nothing to do with it. I was an NFL fan in the 60s as well as a Colts fan, so I know what the teams were and what the times meant.I didn't take into account that you were a Colts fan. Yes, to you it would be a bigger upset. I don't have a dog in this Giants/Patriots matchup, so I can see it very clearly.Giants do not have a prayer.I lived Super Bowl 3, so don't go there with me sonnyLook, just because someone told you that was a bigger upset, don't believe the hype. I've been through both situations, seen both setups, and a Giants win would be leaps and bounds greater than Colts/Jets.If this dude actually thinks a Giants win would be > than the Jets over the Colts, he obviously doesn't know the history of Pro Football. The Jets were a 17 pt dog and the lowly AFL was considered bush league at the time. The Colts had just destroyed Cleveland 34-0 for the NFL Championship and was rightfully a huge favorite over the AFL Jets.
No and No off the top of my headStanford beating USC this year as the big of underdogs they were and Chaminade beating Virginia
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
I wouldn't even put it second, with the roll the G-Men are on.I'd put the Pats (14-point dogs) over the Rams as 2nd-biggest upset.Broncos (14-point dogs) over the Packers would be #3 for me.Giants would probably come in just after those two.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I agree that he's a great coach, but just maybe the Giants will get a "Coach of the Browns" performance out of BB this time, lol.
Solidsteel Rats
Footballguy
That son is college..get alive we are NFL here..PRO football
Statorama
Footballguy
This reminds me of the Keith Olberman/George Will types that are stuck on "the old records are the best records" way of thinking. Just because it happened in the past doesn't mean it was "better". Live in the moment, man!Nah, can't even play with my man Jason like that.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Well, the OP did mention "Sports History" as well.
Statorama
Footballguy
Fair enough Johnny U, and might I say, very well played sir
Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
Pats over Rams was the biggest SB upset since I've been alive. If the Giants won, 2nd or 3rd biggest.Solidsteel Rats
Footballguy
Ice Cream Man
Footballguy
They also made an excellent team -- the Jaguars -- look like boys amongst men. NE scored on a very good defense at will.
Jason Wood
Zoo York
I could certainly see the Rams/Pats as being the 2nd biggest upset; you'll get no argument from me if you wanted to put a Giants win at 3rd.
Solidsteel Rats
Footballguy
Well from what all saw and speaking wise it was meant to be pro..but some do lose that idea..if their team lost!
Statorama
Footballguy
If we're strictly speaking about point spreads as the barometer of what constitutes the biggest upset, then it will be very easy to list where the Giants should be placed.I take more things into consideration, and probably over-think the situation. I should probably just get in line and use the point spread as the primary indicator like the rest of you.
NY/NJMFDIVER
Footballguy
I don't know if would be the biggest GIANTS super bowl upset.
That 90 Bills Squad was a MACHINE, and the Giants had Hostetler. The reason the Parcells legend exists is because of his gameplan for that game, when the worse team won.
That 90 Bills Squad was a MACHINE, and the Giants had Hostetler. The reason the Parcells legend exists is because of his gameplan for that game, when the worse team won.
Statorama
Footballguy
Love the guy or hate the guy, Bill Parcells could freaking coach some football.
Jason Wood
Zoo York
Both the Bills and Giants were 13-3 that season and the Giants got there on the back of the league's best defense.
Couch Potato
Footballguy
How about that time Bugs Bunny defeated THE CRUSHER in the wrestling ring? I didn't think he had a chance, but he did it. Pretty huge upset there. That one might be the biggest in my memory.
Statorama
Footballguy
super sleeper
Footballguy
Jets over Colts was the greatest upset in professional sports because of the disparity of talent in the two leagues. Most don't realize that at the time, the leagues weren't fully integrated, and the NFL still had about 70% of the top draft picks in their conference.
But I will also offer 1982- No. 1 Virginia, starring Ralph Sampson, coming off wins over Patrick Ewing-led Georgetown, and the Phi Slamma Jamma Houston team featuring Hakeem and Clyde Drexler, lose to 800-student, NAIA Chaminade 77-72.
But I will also offer 1982- No. 1 Virginia, starring Ralph Sampson, coming off wins over Patrick Ewing-led Georgetown, and the Phi Slamma Jamma Houston team featuring Hakeem and Clyde Drexler, lose to 800-student, NAIA Chaminade 77-72.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Also, let's' not forget that Super Bowl 3 forced the merger. The NFL didn't want to have anything to do with the AFL at the time. However, playing devils advocate, apparently the AFL was better than most think, because the Chiefs dominated the Vikings one year later. I remember that game well. Even though it wasn't a big blow out (23-7), the Vikings were never really in the game.
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NY/NJMFDIVER
Footballguy
The Giants also went 3-3 down the stretch, were dogs going into San Fran, and the Bills were coming off a 51-3 AFC title win. NO ONE was picking the Giants going into that one, it was assumed to be a Bills coronation.Last time they played an AFC east Squad, they did ok
Statorama
Footballguy
I would say the talent disparity between these two teams would be about a 70/30 split as well.As for your second example, a Giants win over the Patriots would be like the Chaminade win over Virginia if Chaminade played their second string.Come on, have some fun. I say tomato, you say tomato. Wait, that doesn't exactly work on a typed response.I think we're all resigned to the fact that the Giants will get destroyed on Sunday. I guess we could have some fun with that if we tried.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
I've erased that game from my memory.It was over before kickoff.The Giants also went 3-3 down the stretch, were dogs going into San Fran, and the Bills were coming off a 51-3 AFC title win.Both the Bills and Giants were 13-3 that season and the Giants got there on the back of the league's best defense.
Couch Potato
Footballguy
The merger had already been agreed on (June 1966) by the time that game was played (Jan 1969).http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AFL-NFL_merger
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Bowl_III
Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
Pistons over the Lakers comes close given the Lakers had two of the greatest players in NBA history and home court advantage.
Jason Wood
Zoo York
Bills were favored by 8; not as lopsided a view as you might remember.The Giants also went 3-3 down the stretch, were dogs going into San Fran, and the Bills were coming off a 51-3 AFC title win. NO ONE was picking the Giants going into that one, it was assumed to be a Bills coronation.Last time they played an AFC east Squad, they did okBoth the Bills and Giants were 13-3 that season and the Giants got there on the back of the league's best defense.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
I actually had 'em -7. They might have covered if they had the ball for more than fourteen minutes.Bills were favored by 8; not as lopsided a view as you might remember.The Giants also went 3-3 down the stretch, were dogs going into San Fran, and the Bills were coming off a 51-3 AFC title win. NO ONE was picking the Giants going into that one, it was assumed to be a Bills coronation.Last time they played an AFC east Squad, they did ok
bluesclues
Footballguy
Appalachian State over Wolverines.......
G Men have a solid pass rush, a secondary playing over their head but with a strong defensive plan they may be able to slow down the Pats offense.
Offensively, they can run the ball and their passing game is decent.
Overall, they need a pass rush on Brady and to get to him to force him into mistakes (does that ever happen?
AHMAD BRADSHAW MVP!!
G Men have a solid pass rush, a secondary playing over their head but with a strong defensive plan they may be able to slow down the Pats offense.
Offensively, they can run the ball and their passing game is decent.
Overall, they need a pass rush on Brady and to get to him to force him into mistakes (does that ever happen?
AHMAD BRADSHAW MVP!!
Statorama
Footballguy
I actually had 'em -7. They might have covered if they had the ball for more than fourteen minutes.Bills were favored by 8; not as lopsided a view as you might remember.The Giants also went 3-3 down the stretch, were dogs going into San Fran, and the Bills were coming off a 51-3 AFC title win. NO ONE was picking the Giants going into that one, it was assumed to be a Bills coronation.Last time they played an AFC east Squad, they did ok
(I've been involved in quite a few of those, so I feel your pain)
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
About five hours ago.
Koya
Footballguy
It's probably been said, but I believe it would be the second biggest upset ever - and it earns that not because the Giants are "so" much worse than the Pats, but rather the magnitude of stopping an undefeated team in the SB. It would easily be the second "biggest upset" bringing both biggest upsets to NY.
Statorama
Footballguy
Is it only because we know how unbeliveably talented the Patriots are this time? I think that Rams/Patriots SB was just a case of us not truly knowing how incredibly talented Brady and Coach B were (and conversely how intensely overrated Mike Martz and Kurt Warner were).Are there any thoughts that Eli Manning will reach Tom Brady status within the next 10 years?I'm just saying that the appearent talent disparity between the Rams and the Patriots that year was an illusion. Tom Brady really was better than Kurt Warner. No such scenario exists for this game, which is why I would make it number one on the all-time upset list.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
No, he wasn't.
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Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Statorama
Footballguy
I'm not saying that, although you could probably take that opinion from the wording of my post. I guess I should have posted "it turns out" that Tom Brady really was better than Kurt Warner. Because, well, because he is.
Koya
Footballguy
When you win three games on the road, including against both the Cowboys and Packers then beat the "Greatest team ever" I dont think you could say they would be the worst Superbowl team ever. I don't think they will win, but IF they by miracle did, the last 4-5 games HAVE to count for something. But won't happen.
Jason Wood
Zoo York
Depends on how you classify "worst"...The Giants had just a 1.4 PPG differential and turned the ball over 10 times more than they took it away; has a SB champ ever had a negative turnover ratio in the regular season?
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
'05 Steelers.
Jason Wood
Zoo York
The Colts (SBIV) had a negative turnover differential the year they won it...but they had a 6.2 point scoring differential.
TC
Footballguy
I echo the above. Well said. Douglas over Tyson most impresses me. NYG over NE now would no bigger upset than if the Giants had won in week 10 or 12. Every NFL team is a possible winner each week.
Koya
Footballguy
Worst over the course of the season I suppose you could have a conversation. But IF they pull out the miracle, no way are they the least talented/able team at the time they won the Super Bowl itself. You cant beat four division winners, the top two seeds in your conference, all on the road and the SB being against the possible "greatest team ever" and not the worst imo.
The Patriots won 38-35 in their first meeting, and were trailing in the 4th quarter. These teams are kinda evenly matched.
GregR_2
Footballguy
It is because the Rams were a much better team than the Patriots were, and would have beat them probably 8 times in 10. That Patriots team was one of the weakest Super Bowl champs of all time. This Patriots team is on pace for a perfect season, but that doesn't mean they are playing at the level they were. They peaked in the middle of the year and since October they haven't been the dominant team they were early on. First 8 games, record setting. Last 8 games.... 4 wins by 3 or 4 points, including 2 against mediocre teams. Only 1 dominating performance against a good team. Playoffs not any different. Good playoff wins, but far from exceptional. They haven't come close to dominating their playoff opponents, and certainly not close to what the other teams commonly mentioned in the greatest teams of all time discussions did, who all peaked for the playoffs and destroyed every team they faced in them.The Patriots right now are not playing like the team that got everyone to start talking about them as a potential greatest of all time. They are playing like the team that only beat this same Giants team by 3 at home. The Giants are peaking now and the Patriots have regressed from where they were back in October. Or if not regressed, they have let other teams narrow the gap. Are the Pats the better team? Sure they are. Even if the Giants win the Super Bowl, the Pats are the better team, it would just mean they lost, just like the Rams were the better team than the Pats even though they lost. But the Pats aren't nearly as far ahead of the Giants as people like to think who are treating the Pats like they are still playing at the level they did in the first half of the season. Because they haven't played that way in 2.5 months, most weeks since they've just played well enough to get by with a win.
