If Houston picks Reggie Bush is he still #1 (1 Viewer)

[Quez]

I am sure Reggie Bush would be the #1 rookie to select in Dynasty, but is that dependent on who selects him? That is if he does not stay at USC.Here is a list of teams that if they select him I would say yes he is #1 rookie dynasty RB for sure GBArizonaSan FranClevelandThese are the teams that could have a RBBC if he is drafted HoustonNONYJBaltimoreDespite what team he goes on, I think he will eventually emerge as the #1, but what do you guys think? Hands down #1 no matter what team?

 

[P Boy]

If HOU picks Bush with its #1 pick, it will mean that they will have 3 RBs who are capable of competing at the NFL level, and probably still won't have a line that could put a hole in wet kleenex.HOU is pretty well situated at the skill positions - they aren't the Colts, mind you, but they've got guys at all skill spots that can play at this level. They need to get some big uglies in front of them that keep D guys' hands off the skills guys for more than 1/2 a second.If HOU picks Bush #1 in the NFL draft, I for one would definetly drop him in dynasty draft rankings.

 

[Tick]

NYJ and Houston would be fine. Houston and NO would knock his value. I might knock him down a bit if Arizona ended up with him, honestly.

 

[dgreen]

Despite what team he goes on, I think he will eventually emerge as the #1, but what do you guys think? Hands down #1 no matter what team?

That's the key in dynasty, in my opinion. If you think he will emerge as the best in a couple years, he's your #1.As of now, he's my clear-cut #1. But, a lot can happen between now and April. Draft boards always change. It's not completely out of the realm of possibility that NFL folks all of a sudden value DeAngelo Williams over Bush after getting a closer look at them and interviewing them. If Bush falls some, that might scare off someone with the top pick.

 

[Roberto Tomba]

I'd think Houston would be in the market for a new QB, so it looks like it'd be Bush's teammate getting picked, not him.

 

[Tick]

Despite what team he goes on, I think he will eventually emerge as the #1, but what do you guys think?  Hands down #1 no matter what team?

That's the key in dynasty, in my opinion. If you think he will emerge as the best in a couple years, he's your #1.As of now, he's my clear-cut #1. But, a lot can happen between now and April. Draft boards always change. It's not completely out of the realm of possibility that NFL folks all of a sudden value DeAngelo Williams over Bush after getting a closer look at them and interviewing them. If Bush falls some, that might scare off someone with the top pick.

That's a bit of an oversimplification IMO. Julius Jones won some people titles last year. A title is better than the unfulfilled potential of KJones.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

If Houston get's the #1 pick and doesnt trade down to get an Elite OT, they are very very dumb.They dont need Bush and I think Lienart/Bush will command a high price with that pick.

 

[dgreen]

Despite what team he goes on, I think he will eventually emerge as the #1, but what do you guys think? Hands down #1 no matter what team?

That's the key in dynasty, in my opinion. If you think he will emerge as the best in a couple years, he's your #1.As of now, he's my clear-cut #1. But, a lot can happen between now and April. Draft boards always change. It's not completely out of the realm of possibility that NFL folks all of a sudden value DeAngelo Williams over Bush after getting a closer look at them and interviewing them. If Bush falls some, that might scare off someone with the top pick.

That's a bit of an oversimplification IMO. Julius Jones won some people titles last year. A title is better than the unfulfilled potential of KJones.

Yeah, I should have added that if you feel your team is one player away, then trade down to get a guy like JJ that you think will help you immediately. If you feel Williams or Maroney or White are drafted into situations that will help you immediately, and that's what you want, then trade down for them. Bush is the most valuable (league-wide) at that #1 spot. Someone will trade you for that pick to get Bush.This is why discussions of dynasty value are so much more difficult than redraft.

 

[coolnerd]

If Houston get's the #1 pick and doesnt trade down to get an Elite OT, they are very very dumb.

They dont need Bush and I think Lienart/Bush will command a high price with that pick.

This assumes a fair packiage. There is on average 1 trade from top 5 spot in the NFL draft. In the last 10 years, i think there have only been two trades up to the number 1 pick. Houston is more likely to get stuck with the number 1 pick than have a fair trade down package. IMO, especially the first couple of years, I think RRBC will help Bush long term and as a dynasty owner I am drafting Bush's potential for be dominate his 3-6 or 7 years in the league. If he comes in immediately and does something great its gravy.

 

[lod2005]

Davis becomes a backup. End of story for him.

 

[Quez]

If I get the #1 spot I hope he goes to Green Bay. If Gado looks good there, imagine how Bush would look. ps The reason I will probably be #1 is because I invested way too much in C-Pep Michael Clayton has also screwed me, among other things.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

If Houston picks Reggie Bush at #1, with the intention of keeping him, the NFL should shut down the franchise as they'd show they're not interested in fielding a competitive team in the league.

 

[JohnnyU]

Davis becomes a backup. End of story for him.

I cut Morency in 2 leagues, because I do believe Houston will draft Bush. Of course both leagues have only 20 man rosters, otherwise, I might have kept Morency for awhile. Replaced him with Roydell Williams in 1 PPR league. Oh wait, no one gives a crap about my team. Sorry.

 

[dgreen]

If Houston picks Reggie Bush at #1, with the intention of keeping him, the NFL should shut down the franchise as they'd show they're not interested in fielding a competitive team in the league.

What if they add OL help in FA? What OL will be available in FA?

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

Maybe someone will swoop in and take DD the way the Rams took Faulk off the Colts hands which opened the door for the Edge pick in '99.DD's numbers are very similar to Faulk in his early years with the Colts.

 

[Wilbur Wood]

Despite what team he goes on, I think he will eventually emerge as the #1, but what do you guys think?  Hands down #1 no matter what team?

That's the key in dynasty, in my opinion. If you think he will emerge as the best in a couple years, he's your #1.As of now, he's my clear-cut #1. But, a lot can happen between now and April. Draft boards always change. It's not completely out of the realm of possibility that NFL folks all of a sudden value DeAngelo Williams over Bush after getting a closer look at them and interviewing them. If Bush falls some, that might scare off someone with the top pick.

That's a bit of an oversimplification IMO. Julius Jones won some people titles last year. A title is better than the unfulfilled potential of KJones.

Not a fair point, given that LAST YEAR, KJones led the NFL in rushing over the 2nd half of the season, thus he presumably contributed to 2004 FF teams down the stretch (as did JJones). In 2005 neither JJ or KJ have contributed so far commensurate with their FF draft slots.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

If Houston picks Reggie Bush at #1, with the intention of keeping him, the NFL should shut down the franchise as they'd show they're not interested in fielding a competitive team in the league.

What if they add OL help in FA? What OL will be available in FA?

Not even then. This team needs help nearly everywhere. The best way to fix that is with multiple draft picks. With the talent level that Leinart/Bush represent, I have to believe that there would be teams more willing to trade up to grab them than in years past. If they don't get more picks for their apparent #1, I don't think they tried very hard.Here's a list of FA O-Linemen:

Offensive Tackles

Adam Haayer UFA Cardinals

Anthony Clement UFA 49ers

Barrett Brooks UFA Steelers

Barry Stokes UFA Falcons

Bob Whitfield UFA Giants

Chad Slaughter UFA Raiders

Courtney Van Buren RFA Chargers

Ephraim Salaam UFA Jaguars

Ethan Brooks UFA Cowboys

Jeff Backus UFA Lions

John St. Clair UFA Bears

Jon Runyan UFA Eagles

Jordan Black RFA Chiefs

Kevin Barry UFA Packers

Kevin Shaffer UFA Falcons

L.J. Shelton UFA Browns

Makoa Freitas RFA Colts

Matt Hill UFA Panthers

Mike Pearson UFA Jaguars

Rex Tucker UFA Rams

Scott Gragg UFA Jets

Seth Wand RFA Texans

Stocker McDougle UFA Dolphins

Todd Fordham UFA Panthers

Todd Steussie UFA Buccaneers

Tom Ashworth UFA Patriots

Tony Pashos RFA Ravens

Torrin Tucker RFA Cowboys

Victor Riley UFA Texans

Wayne Hunter RFA Seahawks

Offensive Guards

Bob Hallen UFA Chargers

Corey Hulsey UFA Raiders

Fred Weary UFA Texans

Grey Ruegamer UFA Packers

Jonathan Goodwin UFA Jets

Kris Dielman RFA Chargers

Kyle Kosier UFA Lions

Montrae Holland RFA Saints

Ray Brown UFA Redskins

Reggie Wells RFA Cardinals

Scott Kooistra RFA Bengals

Sean Mahan RFA Buccaneers

Stephen Nea UFA Patriots

Steve Hutchinson UFA Seahawks

Terrence Metcalf UFA Bears

Tom Nutten UFA Rams

Toniu Fonoti UFA Vikings

Tutan Reyes UFA Panthers

Tyrone Hopson UFA Lions

Vince Manuwai RFA Jaguars

 

[-OZ-]

Maybe someone will swoop in and take DD the way the Rams took Faulk off the Colts hands which opened the door for the Edge pick in '99.

DD's numbers are very similar to Faulk in his early years with the Colts.

Good point. While I refuse to think DD = Faulk, there are some minor similarities.Could easily see Green Bay trading for Davis, among other teams if Houston really wants Bush.

Bush is the #1 pick in dynasty leagues, no matter where he goes IMO. The only issue is what the pick would be worth or where he'd go in new dynasty leagues.

 

[Tick]

Despite what team he goes on, I think he will eventually emerge as the #1, but what do you guys think?  Hands down #1 no matter what team?

That's the key in dynasty, in my opinion. If you think he will emerge as the best in a couple years, he's your #1.As of now, he's my clear-cut #1. But, a lot can happen between now and April. Draft boards always change. It's not completely out of the realm of possibility that NFL folks all of a sudden value DeAngelo Williams over Bush after getting a closer look at them and interviewing them. If Bush falls some, that might scare off someone with the top pick.

That's a bit of an oversimplification IMO. Julius Jones won some people titles last year. A title is better than the unfulfilled potential of KJones.

Not a fair point, given that LAST YEAR, KJones led the NFL in rushing over the 2nd half of the season, thus he presumably contributed to 2004 FF teams down the stretch (as did JJones). In 2005 neither JJ or KJ have contributed so far commensurate with their FF draft slots.

Okay, Steven Jackson then.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

How much would the Texans' fortunes improve if they:1. Paid for Steve Hutchinson. I have no idea what that would cost. I know it would be a bunch.2. Trade out of the #1 spot for more picks. I don't think it would be wise if it bumped them out of the top 10. But anywhere in the top 10, even if they miss out on Ferguson, Eric Winson or Marcus McNeil would be a decent consolation prize.3. With their second round pick, take either Greg Eslinger or Nick Mangold at center.Not sure how great it would be to start two rookies on the o-line, but this isn't a one year project anyway. And this would be a great start.

 

[dgreen]

Maybe someone will swoop in and take DD the way the Rams took Faulk off the Colts hands which opened the door for the Edge pick in '99.

DD's numbers are very similar to Faulk in his early years with the Colts.

What could Houston get for DD?

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Maybe someone will swoop in and take DD the way the Rams took Faulk off the Colts hands which opened the door for the Edge pick in '99.

DD's numbers are very similar to Faulk in his early years with the Colts.

What could Houston get for DD?

A third rounder.

 

[Quez]

Houston still has a few games which could really stir things up at the bottom.Ravens, Titans, Cardinals, 49ers. You would think they should be able to win one of these games :X

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Houston still has a few games which could really stir things up at the bottom.

Ravens, Titans, Cardinals, 49ers. You would think they should be able to win one of these games :X

What would possibly make us think that?

 

[Willy]

In 2001 I remember thinking Tomlinson went to a really crappy situation and should probably be drafted after Michael Bennett, who went to a fabulous situation. Same with Duece McAllister who was stuck behind Ricky. Situation is a factor, but it can't be the only factor. You have to consider talent too. If Bush is as good as everyone thinks, sooner or later he will be an awesome FF RB, even if he lands in what looks like a crappy situation this year.

 

[dgreen]

In 2001 I remember thinking Tomlinson went to a really crappy situation and should probably be drafted after Michael Bennett, who went to a fabulous situation. Same with Duece McAllister who was stuck behind Ricky.

Situation is a factor, but it can't be the only factor. You have to consider talent too. If Bush is as good as everyone thinks, sooner or later he will be an awesome FF RB, even if he lands in what looks like a crappy situation this year.

I remember a lot of people saying Bennett should be the top pick over LT. I may or may not have been one of those people.

 

[GregR_2]

Houston still has a few games which could really stir things up at the bottom.

Ravens, Titans, Cardinals, 49ers. You would think they should be able to win one of these games :X

That was my prediction at the beginning of the season, that they'd beat Cleveland and win 1 of those other games, either against the Cardinals or 49ers specifically.Houston got killed by Tennessee, though they are playing better since then.

 

[Willy]

Despite what team he goes on, I think he will eventually emerge as the #1, but what do you guys think? Hands down #1 no matter what team?

That's the key in dynasty, in my opinion. If you think he will emerge as the best in a couple years, he's your #1.As of now, he's my clear-cut #1. But, a lot can happen between now and April. Draft boards always change. It's not completely out of the realm of possibility that NFL folks all of a sudden value DeAngelo Williams over Bush after getting a closer look at them and interviewing them. If Bush falls some, that might scare off someone with the top pick.

That's a bit of an oversimplification IMO. Julius Jones won some people titles last year. A title is better than the unfulfilled potential of KJones.

I would guess that most teams who drafted Julius Jones last year were well out of the playoffs by the time he started to tear it up.btw- William Green did the same thing his rookie year, and as a Green owner that year I can tell you it was too little, too late.

 

[Spike]

In 2001 I remember thinking Tomlinson went to a really crappy situation and should probably be drafted after Michael Bennett, who went to a fabulous situation. Same with Duece McAllister who was stuck behind Ricky.

Situation is a factor, but it can't be the only factor. You have to consider talent too. If Bush is as good as everyone thinks, sooner or later he will be an awesome FF RB, even if he lands in what looks like a crappy situation this year.

Groan...I'm one of the fools who took Bennett back then.

 

[Spike]

How much would the Texans' fortunes improve if they:

1. Paid for Steve Hutchinson. I have no idea what that would cost. I know it would be a bunch.

2. Trade out of the #1 spot for more picks. I don't think it would be wise if it bumped them out of the top 10. But anywhere in the top 10, even if they miss out on Ferguson, Eric Winson or Marcus McNeil would be a decent consolation prize.

3. With their second round pick, take either Greg Eslinger or Nick Mangold at center.

Not sure how great it would be to start two rookies on the o-line, but this isn't a one year project anyway. And this would be a great start.

Sounds like you have a better handle on things than the Houston "brain" trust! Good thoughts!

 

[eoMMan]

Seeing what he can do as far as moves and what not, I don't care what teams he ends up on.I'm drafting him.......early.

 

[-OZ-]

In 2001 I remember thinking Tomlinson went to a really crappy situation and should probably be drafted after Michael Bennett, who went to a fabulous situation. Same with Duece McAllister who was stuck behind Ricky.

Situation is a factor, but it can't be the only factor. You have to consider talent too. If Bush is as good as everyone thinks, sooner or later he will be an awesome FF RB, even if he lands in what looks like a crappy situation this year.

Groan...I'm one of the fools who took Bennett back then.

Not me.... I traded down in the league where I could have had him with pick #2 and some scrap for Dunn, #3 and #9 - took Vick and Heap. Honestly, not a bad deal, but LT would have won me some championships.

Lesson learned - take the talented RB!

 

[Tick]

Despite what team he goes on, I think he will eventually emerge as the #1, but what do you guys think?  Hands down #1 no matter what team?

That's the key in dynasty, in my opinion. If you think he will emerge as the best in a couple years, he's your #1.As of now, he's my clear-cut #1. But, a lot can happen between now and April. Draft boards always change. It's not completely out of the realm of possibility that NFL folks all of a sudden value DeAngelo Williams over Bush after getting a closer look at them and interviewing them. If Bush falls some, that might scare off someone with the top pick.

That's a bit of an oversimplification IMO. Julius Jones won some people titles last year. A title is better than the unfulfilled potential of KJones.

I would guess that most teams who drafted Julius Jones last year were well out of the playoffs by the time he started to tear it up.btw- William Green did the same thing his rookie year, and as a Green owner that year I can tell you it was too little, too late.

I lost in the semis and would have won the final - JJones helped me late last year.

 

[GregR_2]

How much would the Texans' fortunes improve if they:

1. Paid for Steve Hutchinson. I have no idea what that would cost. I know it would be a bunch.

2. Trade out of the #1 spot for more picks. I don't think it would be wise if it bumped them out of the top 10. But anywhere in the top 10, even if they miss out on Ferguson, Eric Winson or Marcus McNeil would be a decent consolation prize.

3. With their second round pick, take either Greg Eslinger or Nick Mangold at center.

Not sure how great it would be to start two rookies on the o-line, but this isn't a one year project anyway. And this would be a great start.

I'm hoping we get Hutchinson, but I'm also leery of our chances of getting him.I wouldn't want to see us trade lower than #4, because if we don't get Bush, I'd rather see us get either Da Brickhouse, or AJ Hawk. We could really use a LB who is effective against the run and pass both, and who can also create pressure in the backfield. I'm not sure we'd get enough compensation for the pick to drop down further than that. I don't believe anyone has two first rounders this year. Eli went for a 1st and a 3rd that year, and a 1st and 5th the next year.

Still though, I don't agree with those who say it would be a mistake to take Bush. There is something to be said for taking the best player available and having enough top talents that they make up for other weaknesses. See the Ravens circa 1999-2004, when they've had as much as 1/3 of their team be considered in the top 4-5 guys at their position, even if they had some other big holes. They've had down years when those key guys got injured, but they built a title and a few playoff runs around such a strategy.

Assuming Houston does have the first pick, they'd pick again at 2.1 and 3.1 and would have another high 3rd round pick from the Saints. I think with those picks they could address quite a few needs without having to trade down, but it would indeed require getting at least one key player in free agency. Hutchinson or Julian Peterson or someone of that caliber, or multiple players who are upgrades. If they could get someone like that, they'd be free to take a tackle and center or guard and the best player available with the other pick.

 

[Tick]

How much would the Texans' fortunes improve if they:

1. Paid for Steve Hutchinson. I have no idea what that would cost.  I know it would be a bunch.

2. Trade out of the #1 spot for more picks.  I don't think it would be wise if it bumped them out of the top 10.  But anywhere in the top 10, even if they miss out on Ferguson, Eric Winson or Marcus McNeil would be a decent consolation prize.

3. With their second round pick, take either Greg Eslinger or Nick Mangold at center.

Not sure how great it would be to start two rookies on the o-line, but this isn't a one year project anyway.  And this would be a great start.

I'm hoping we get Hutchinson, but I'm also leery of our chances of getting him.I wouldn't want to see us trade lower than #4, because if we don't get Bush, I'd rather see us get either Da Brickhouse, or AJ Hawk. We could really use a LB who is effective against the run and pass both, and who can also create pressure in the backfield. I'm not sure we'd get enough compensation for the pick to drop down further than that. I don't believe anyone has two first rounders this year. Eli went for a 1st and a 3rd that year, and a 1st and 5th the next year.

Still though, I don't agree with those who say it would be a mistake to take Bush. There is something to be said for taking the best player available and having enough top talents that they make up for other weaknesses. See the Ravens circa 1999-2004, when they've had as much as 1/3 of their team be considered in the top 4-5 guys at their position, even if they had some other big holes. They've had down years when those key guys got injured, but they built a title and a few playoff runs around such a strategy.

Assuming Houston does have the first pick, they'd pick again at 2.1 and 3.1 and would have another high 3rd round pick from the Saints. I think with those picks they could address quite a few needs without having to trade down, but it would indeed require getting at least one key player in free agency. Hutchinson or Julian Peterson or someone of that caliber, or multiple players who are upgrades. If they could get someone like that, they'd be free to take a tackle and center or guard and the best player available with the other pick.

Capers is gone, right? So will they shift to a 4-3 defense? That could really affect their draft a lot - look at Dallas's draft this past year and how everyone filled a role on the new defense. It could throw a wrench into all the OL plans.

 

[The Man Who Met Andy Griffith]

Despite what team he goes on, I think he will eventually emerge as the #1, but what do you guys think?  Hands down #1 no matter what team?

That's the key in dynasty, in my opinion. If you think he will emerge as the best in a couple years, he's your #1.As of now, he's my clear-cut #1. But, a lot can happen between now and April. Draft boards always change. It's not completely out of the realm of possibility that NFL folks all of a sudden value DeAngelo Williams over Bush after getting a closer look at them and interviewing them. If Bush falls some, that might scare off someone with the top pick.

That's a bit of an oversimplification IMO. Julius Jones won some people titles last year. A title is better than the unfulfilled potential of KJones.

Not a fair point, given that LAST YEAR, KJones led the NFL in rushing over the 2nd half of the season, thus he presumably contributed to 2004 FF teams down the stretch (as did JJones). In 2005 neither JJ or KJ have contributed so far commensurate with their FF draft slots.

Okay, Steven Jackson then.

Steven Jackson is the opposite of what you claim--he did very little his first year, and then he 'emerged'.

 

[coolnerd]

How much would the Texans' fortunes improve if they:

1. Paid for Steve Hutchinson. I have no idea what that would cost.  I know it would be a bunch.

2. Trade out of the #1 spot for more picks.  I don't think it would be wise if it bumped them out of the top 10.  But anywhere in the top 10, even if they miss out on Ferguson, Eric Winson or Marcus McNeil would be a decent consolation prize.

3. With their second round pick, take either Greg Eslinger or Nick Mangold at center.

Not sure how great it would be to start two rookies on the o-line, but this isn't a one year project anyway.  And this would be a great start.

I'm hoping we get Hutchinson, but I'm also leery of our chances of getting him.I wouldn't want to see us trade lower than #4, because if we don't get Bush, I'd rather see us get either Da Brickhouse, or AJ Hawk. We could really use a LB who is effective against the run and pass both, and who can also create pressure in the backfield. I'm not sure we'd get enough compensation for the pick to drop down further than that. I don't believe anyone has two first rounders this year. Eli went for a 1st and a 3rd that year, and a 1st and 5th the next year.

Still though, I don't agree with those who say it would be a mistake to take Bush. There is something to be said for taking the best player available and having enough top talents that they make up for other weaknesses. See the Ravens circa 1999-2004, when they've had as much as 1/3 of their team be considered in the top 4-5 guys at their position, even if they had some other big holes. They've had down years when those key guys got injured, but they built a title and a few playoff runs around such a strategy.

Assuming Houston does have the first pick, they'd pick again at 2.1 and 3.1 and would have another high 3rd round pick from the Saints. I think with those picks they could address quite a few needs without having to trade down, but it would indeed require getting at least one key player in free agency. Hutchinson or Julian Peterson or someone of that caliber, or multiple players who are upgrades. If they could get someone like that, they'd be free to take a tackle and center or guard and the best player available with the other pick.

Capers is gone, right? So will they shift to a 4-3 defense? That could really affect their draft a lot - look at Dallas's draft this past year and how everyone filled a role on the new defense. It could throw a wrench into all the OL plans.

In fact, there is a decent (not as good as Capers)chance that even Cassrly the GM is also gone. Until those two positions are settled everything here is more speculative than normal. Even Carr is not guarantee to come back. If the Texans do not grant the option, all of a sudden then there is now a need at QB to be resolved. The Texans will be one of the more interesting off season stories to follow. Like Greg R, I believe that the Texans will win at least one more game, especially considering the dog of a schedule that they have.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I'm hoping we get Hutchinson, but I'm also leery of our chances of getting him.

I wouldn't want to see us trade lower than #4, because if we don't get Bush, I'd rather see us get either Da Brickhouse, or AJ Hawk. We could really use a LB who is effective against the run and pass both, and who can also create pressure in the backfield. I'm not sure we'd get enough compensation for the pick to drop down further than that. I don't believe anyone has two first rounders this year. Eli went for a 1st and a 3rd that year, and a 1st and 5th the next year.

Hutchinson wouldn't be cheap, but fixing the Texans' situation isn't going to be.I think the ideal, and completely realistic, scenario is the teams at #3/4 will be willing to give up a 3rd rounder (maybe even a 2nd) to move up to #1 to take Leinart or Bush. That leaves the Texans with an extra first day pick and still in position to take Ferguson. Then take one of the top centers with the 2nd round pick.

The flashier players may put fans in the seats for a while, but losing keeps them away too. The allure of going to see Reggie Bush play is worn off in week 12 when your team is 2-9 and looking at at top pick in the 2007 draft.

As a side note, Denver has two first round picks this year. They own Washington's.

 

[Marc Levin]

It all depends on the new coach - th eperson that replaces Capers may or may not have personnel control.Until those facts are in, can't really predict.My guess is that whatever team ends up drafting Bush will use him extensively (especially on PR/KR duties the first year). If that is Houston, Dom Davis' numbers will have to suffer.

 

[coolnerd]

I'm hoping we get Hutchinson, but I'm also leery of our chances of getting him.

I wouldn't want to see us trade lower than #4, because if we don't get Bush, I'd rather see us get either Da Brickhouse, or AJ Hawk.   We could really use a LB who is effective against the run and pass both, and who can also create pressure in the backfield.  I'm not sure we'd get enough compensation for the pick to drop down further than that.   I don't believe anyone has two first rounders this year.   Eli went for a 1st and a 3rd that year, and a 1st and 5th the next year.

Hutchinson wouldn't be cheap, but fixing the Texans' situation isn't going to be.I think the ideal, and completely realistic, scenario is the teams at #3/4 will be willing to give up a 3rd rounder (maybe even a 2nd) to move up to #1 to take Leinart or Bush. That leaves the Texans with an extra first day pick and still in position to take Ferguson. Then take one of the top centers with the 2nd round pick.

The flashier players may put fans in the seats for a while, but losing keeps them away too. The allure of going to see Reggie Bush play is worn off in week 12 when your team is 2-9 and looking at at top pick in the 2007 draft.

As a side note, Denver has two first round picks this year. They own Washington's.

You have good ideas about the Texans, but much is based on the assumption being able to neatly trade down. As stated earlyier history shows it does not happen nearly as much as fan talk about or think. Which of the bad teams are not really in the position of the Texans where they have multiple problem that they are willing to attempt to solve later in the draft? ets, Cardinals, Saints, packers, Titans, 49ers are some of the other dogs.

Denver is not an option. they will be drafting near the end of the round and the Redskins most likely the middle. Too far even a bad GM to justify dropping.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

My guess is that whatever team ends up drafting Bush will use him extensively (especially on PR/KR duties the first year).

Is anyone else terribly uncomfortable with teams doing this? I see Steve Smith returning kicks and I'm completely .

 

[Tick]

Despite what team he goes on, I think he will eventually emerge as the #1, but what do you guys think?  Hands down #1 no matter what team?

That's the key in dynasty, in my opinion. If you think he will emerge as the best in a couple years, he's your #1.As of now, he's my clear-cut #1. But, a lot can happen between now and April. Draft boards always change. It's not completely out of the realm of possibility that NFL folks all of a sudden value DeAngelo Williams over Bush after getting a closer look at them and interviewing them. If Bush falls some, that might scare off someone with the top pick.

That's a bit of an oversimplification IMO. Julius Jones won some people titles last year. A title is better than the unfulfilled potential of KJones.

Not a fair point, given that LAST YEAR, KJones led the NFL in rushing over the 2nd half of the season, thus he presumably contributed to 2004 FF teams down the stretch (as did JJones). In 2005 neither JJ or KJ have contributed so far commensurate with their FF draft slots.

Okay, Steven Jackson then.

Steven Jackson is the opposite of what you claim--he did very little his first year, and then he 'emerged'.

I meant that Julius Jones probably won some people titles last season, which can be worth more than getting Steven Jackson, who's more talented but was in a worse situation.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

You have good ideas about the Texans, but much is based on the assumption being able to neatly trade down. As stated earlyier history shows it does not happen nerely as much as fan talk about or think. Which of the bad teams are not really in the position of the Texans where they have multiple problem that they are willing to attempt to solve later in the draft?

jets, Cardinals, Saints, packers, Titans, 49ers are some of the other dogs.

I know that trades don't happen often. The only time they do is when opportunity, need, and value intersect. Looking back at the last ten drafts, the two times that it SHOULD happen, it DID happen (2001 & 2004) In those years, it was worth it to the Falcons to trade up for Vick, and for the Giants to trade up for Manning because they were in position to, they needed to, and the team they were trading with could get equal value for swapping spots. Every other year, from what I can see, it just didn't come together that way, so trades were unlikely.2005

1 San Francisco Alex Smith - QB

2 Miami Ronnie Brown - RB

3 Cleveland Braylon Edwards - WR

4 Chicago Cedric Benson - RB

5 Tampa Bay Carnell Williams - RB

6 Tennessee Adam Jones - CB

7 Minnesota Troy Williamson - WR

8 Arizona Antrel Rolle - CB

9 Washington Carlos Rogers - CB

10 Detroit Mike Williams - WR

2004

1. San Diego Chargers Eli Manning, QB - Mississippi

2. Oakland Raiders Robert Gallery, OT - Iowa

3. Arizona Cardinals Larry Fitzgerald, WR - Pitt

4. New York Giants Phillip Rivers, QB - NC State

5. Washington Redskins Sean Taylor, S - Miami (Fl.)

6. Cleveland Browns Kellen Winslow Jr., TE - Miami (Fl.)

7. Detroit Lions Roy Williams, WR - Texas

8. Atlanta Falcons DeAngelo Hall, CB - Virginia Tech

9. Jacksonville Jaguars Reggie Williams, WR - Washington

10. Houston Texans Dunta Robinson, CB - USC

2003

1 Cincinnati Carson Palmer QB USC

2 Detroit Charles Rogers WR Michigan State

3 Houston Andre Johnson WR Miami (Fla.)

4 NY Jets Dewayne Robertson DT Kentucky

5 Dallas Terence Newman CB Kansas State

6 New Orleans Johnathan Sullivan DT Georgia

7 Jacksonville Byron Leftwich QB Marshall

8 Carolina Jordan Gross OT Utah

9 Minnesota Kevin Williams DT Oklahoma State

10 Baltimore Terrell Suggs DE Arizona State

2002

1. Houston David Carr QB Fresno State

2. Carolina Julius Peppers DE North Carolina

3. Detroit Joey Harrington QB Oregon

4. Buffalo Mike Williams OT Texas

5. San Diego Quentin Jammer CB Texas

6. Kansas City (from Dallas) Ryan Sims DT North Carolina

7. Minnesota Bryant McKinnie OT Miami (Fla)

8. Dallas (from Kansas City) Roy Williams SS Oklahoma

9. Jacksonville John Henderson DT Tennessee

10. Cincinnati Levi Jones OT Arizona State

2001

1 Atlanta Vick, Michael QB Virginia Tech

2 Arizona Davis, Leonard G Texas

3 Cleveland Warren, Gerard DT Florida

4 Cincinnati Smith, Justin DE Missouri

5 San Diego Tomlinson, LaDainian RB Texas Christian

6 New England Seymour, Richard NT Georgia

7 San Francisco Carter, Andre DE California

8 Chicago Terrell, David WR Michigan

9 Seattle Robinson, Koren WR North Carolina State

10 Green Bay Reynolds, Jamal DE Florida State

2000

1 Cleveland Brown, Courtney DE Penn State

2 Washington Arrington, LaVar OLB Penn State

3 Washington Samuels, Chris T Alabama

4 Cincinnati Warrick, Peter WR Florida State

5 Baltimore Lewis, Jamal RB Tennessee

6 Philadelphia Simon, Corey DT Florida State

7 Arizona Jones, Thomas RB Virginia

8 Pittsburgh Burress, Plaxico WR Michigan State

9 Chicago Urlacher, Brian MLB New Mexico

10 Baltimore Taylor, Travis WR Florida

1999

1 Cleveland Couch, Tim QB Kentucky

2 Philadelphia McNabb, Donovan QB Syracuse

3 Cincinnati Smith, Akili QB Oregon

4 Indianapolis James, Edgerrin RB Miami

5 New Orleans Williams, Ricky RB Texas

6 St. Louis Holt, Torry WR North Carolina State

7 Washington Bailey, Champ CB Georgia

8 Arizona Boston, David WR Ohio State

9 Detroit Claiborne, Chris OLB Southern California

10 Baltimore McAlister, Chris CB Arizona

1998

1 Indianapolis Manning, Peyton QB Tennessee

2 San Diego Leaf, Ryan QB Washington State

3 Arizona Wadsworth, Andre DE Florida State

4 Oakland Woodson, Charles CB Michigan

5 Chicago Enis, Curtis RB Penn State

6 St. Louis Wistrom, Grant DE Nebraska

7 New Orleans Turley, Kyle T San Diego State

8 Dallas Ellis, Greg DE North Carolina

9 Jacksonville Taylor, Fred RB Florida

10 Baltimore Starks, Duane CB Miami

1997

1 St. Louis Pace, Orlando T Ohio State

2 Oakland Russell, Darrell DT Southern California

3 Seattle Springs, Shawn CB Ohio State

4 Baltimore Boulware, Peter OLB Florida State

5 Detroit Westbrook, Bryant CB Texas

6 Seattle Jones, Walter T Florida State

7 N.Y. Giants Hilliard, Ike WR Florida

8 N.Y. Jets Farrior, James OLB Virginia

9 Arizona Knight, Tom CB Iowa

10 New Orleans Naeole, Chris G Colorado

1996

1 N.Y. Jets Johnson, Keyshawn WR Southern California

2 Jacksonville Hardy, Kevin OLB Illinois

3 Arizona Rice, Simeon DE Illinois

4 Baltimore Ogden, Jonathan T UCLA

5 N.Y. Giants Jones, Cedric DE Oklahoma

6 St. Louis Phillips, Lawrence RB Nebraska

7 New England Glenn, Terry WR Ohio State

8 Carolina Biakabutuka, Tim RB Michigan

9 Oakland Dudley, Rickey TE Ohio State

10 Cincinnati Anderson, Willie T Auburn

The hype machine on Leinart and Bush is already in overdrive. By draft time, franchises will be desperate to get either at #1 if they can. That includes ALL of the franchises you outlined; Bush to the Jets, Cardinals, Packers, or 49ers. Leinart to Jets, Cardinals, Saints, or Titans,

Trading up in years past didn't make much sense. The conditions are right this year, however, for it to happen again.

 

[EBF]

I don't think it would change his long term outlook very much. Dom Davis is a nice player, but Bush can do almost everything he can do and then some. I'd probably still take him at 1.01 if the Texans end up with him. The only guy I might consider over him is LenDale White if he ends up on a team like Pittsburgh, Carolina, or Jacksonville.

 

[Marc Levin]

My guess is that whatever team ends up drafting Bush will use him extensively (especially on PR/KR duties the first year).

Is anyone else terribly uncomfortable with teams doing this? I see Steve Smith returning kicks and I'm completely .

No.Almost all first year players spend some time on ST.

SS shouldn't be back there (IMO), but Reggie Bush should be spending a LOT of time back there.

Heck, in times of need, many players will play ST - Harrison took a PR in the Putt/Indy game and Westbrook was playing KR/PR for the Eagles for a little while this year.

 

[-OZ-]

My guess is that whatever team ends up drafting Bush will use him extensively (especially on PR/KR duties the first year).

Is anyone else terribly uncomfortable with teams doing this? I see Steve Smith returning kicks and I'm completely .

No.Almost all first year players spend some time on ST.

SS shouldn't be back there (IMO), but Reggie Bush should be spending a LOT of time back there.

Heck, in times of need, many players will play ST - Harrison took a PR in the Putt/Indy game and Westbrook was playing KR/PR for the Eagles for a little while this year.

Rod Smith had done it for awhile, and there's no Bronco more valuable to the offense.It isn't preferred, but it is done as needed.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

My guess is that whatever team ends up drafting Bush will use him extensively (especially on PR/KR duties the first year).

Is anyone else terribly uncomfortable with teams doing this? I see Steve Smith returning kicks and I'm completely .

No.Almost all first year players spend some time on ST.

SS shouldn't be back there (IMO), but Reggie Bush should be spending a LOT of time back there.

Heck, in times of need, many players will play ST - Harrison took a PR in the Pitt/Indy game and Westbrook was playing KR/PR for the Eagles for a little while this year.

And that is complete insanity. Take your franchise player, rookie or not, and expose him to injury like that? I just don't get it.

 

[Quez]

I don't think it would change his long term outlook very much. Dom Davis is a nice player, but Bush can do almost everything he can do and then some. I'd probably still take him at 1.01 if the Texans end up with him. The only guy I might consider over him is LenDale White if he ends up on a team like Pittsburgh, Carolina, or Jacksonville.

This is what I was thinking. I guess it comes down to when do you want to win. If you are 1 decent rb away from being competetive I would go with someone running on a team like Pitt or Jacksonville as well.

 

[Marc Levin]

The hype machine on Leinart and Bush is already in overdrive. By draft time, franchises will be desperate to get either at #1 if they can. That includes ALL of the franchises you outlined; Bush to the Jets, Cardinals, Packers, or 49ers. Leinart to Jets, Cardinals, Saints, or Titans,

Trading up in years past didn't make much sense. The conditions are right this year, however, for it to happen again.

I COMPLETELY disagree for the same reason you cited - The teams picking 1-4 are guaranteed a marquee/franchise player at a very important spot, making it highly unlikely they would trade out of those spots.Trading up for Vick or Manning made sense - clear cut #1 marquee players who were supposedly head and shoulders above the next one down the list.

Leinert and Bush - as awesome as they are - have two things against them; (1) the "second best" after them are pretty gosh darned good players - nearly the same level of marquee, if not the same level, just without the name recognition; (2) there are two of them.

Even if you figure Leinert and Bush 1-2 (which could, but probably won't, happen) how would another team be able to provide "equal value" to make it enticing for one of the top two teams to trade down - those two teams are guaranteed one of those two franchise changing players.

And when you factor in the REAL NFL draft, Leinert is the #1 overall player and Bush will probably be selected number 4 or number 5 overall - and the RB right behind him is probably Maroney (assuming he will declare himself for the draft).

Teh trade I think you are likely to see this year is trading up into the top-10 with one of th eteams in the 6-9 range. Once the first handful of marquee players is selected, a team with a lot of needs sitting at the #7/8/9 spot may think it is worth it to trade down to #15 or so and get more picks.

 

[Marc Levin]

My guess is that whatever team ends up drafting Bush will use him extensively (especially on PR/KR duties the first year).

Is anyone else terribly uncomfortable with teams doing this? I see Steve Smith returning kicks and I'm completely .

No.Almost all first year players spend some time on ST.

SS shouldn't be back there (IMO), but Reggie Bush should be spending a LOT of time back there.

Heck, in times of need, many players will play ST - Harrison took a PR in the Pitt/Indy game and Westbrook was playing KR/PR for the Eagles for a little while this year.

And that is complete insanity. Take your franchise player, rookie or not, and expose him to injury like that? I just don't get it.

???There is no more exposure to "one play" on ST than any other play in the game.

Star offensive players don't play on ST primarily because you go all out on ST after having gone all out all game while taking offensive snaps - and then you turn around immediately and line back up on offense - the injury factor is the second reason - and much further down - to why you don't want your stars returning kicks.