If Jalen Hurts Gets 100+ Rushing Touchdowns = Hall of Fame? (6 Viewers)

[Terpman22]

Just something I have been thinking about since the Tush Push got a reprieve yesterday.

Currently is at 55 for his career, just starting for 4 seasons fully.

Cam Newton has the most with 75

Josh Allen is at 65 but thats with exactly 2 more seasons worth of games played at 34 more.

Currently 10 Running backs have 100+ rushing touchdowns and every single one other than Shaun Alexander is in the HOF.

High winning %

2 Super Bowls, 1 Win and Couting

1 Super Bowl MVP and counting

After this season he should be close to 70 rushing touchdowns, based off the past 3 seasons with the TP.

Am I crazy?

 

[Zeppelin]

I think he will get dinged because for a lot of the TDs he got pushed in. Not saying it's right or wrong.

 

[BladeRunner]

I think he will get dinged because for a lot of the TDs he got pushed in. Not saying it's right or wrong.

Yep. He'll always have that asterix.

I also think this conversation is a bit premature considering he's not been in the league that long.

 

[Terpman22]

I think he will get dinged because for a lot of the TDs he got pushed in. Not saying it's right or wrong.

Fair enough! I feel its one of those things that will eventually become a good thing - for the game etc. Its unique and no one has ever done it before.

 

[Terpman22]

I think he will get dinged because for a lot of the TDs he got pushed in. Not saying it's right or wrong.

Yep. He'll always have that asterix.

I also think this conversation is a bit premature considering he's not been in the league that long.

That's part of it though. Drafted in 2020, already has 55 rushing touchdowns.

 

[-OZ-]

Depends what else he does, including championships the eagles win.

If he keeps up his current pace, he’s a lock imo.

Edit to add - assuming my future HoF projections are right, the only player with 100 rushing or receiving TDs that won’t be in the HoF is Shaun Alexander. And possibly Devonte Adams.

 

[oldmanhawkins]

If we are putting Eli in the HOF for his teams two super bowl wins and mediocre stats, we should put Jalen in for his two amazing super bowl performances and eye popping stats.

Truthfully, I think Hurts would need 3-4 more years of sustained success (both wins and stats) to get there. If that results in 100 rushing TDs, cool.

 

[Terpman22]

If we are putting Eli in the HOF for his teams two super bowl wins and mediocre stats, we should put Jalen in for his two amazing super bowl performances and eye popping stats.

Truthfully, I think Hurts would need 3-4 more years of sustained success (both wins and stats) to get there. If that results in 100 rushing TDs, cool.

I'm with the need for longevity.

I'm also one of those "Eli deserves to be in" Guys.

2 Super Bowls. Both against Brady. He was clutch in both of the playoff stats and is "Famous" for it.

He might not get into the Hall of Awesome Stats or Hall of Best Ever though

 

[Chaka]

There are a lot of pathways to the HoF for Hurts.

 

[Terpman22]

There are a lot of pathways to the HoF for Hurts.

Agree, but I'm just saying being the first QB with 100+ touchdowns + the accolades already. Unless the career is cut short and/or falls off a cliff in regression (has progressed every year of his career in Comp %), I'm just thinking its almost a lock lock.

 

[oldmanhawkins]

If we are putting Eli in the HOF for his teams two super bowl wins and mediocre stats, we should put Jalen in for his two amazing super bowl performances and eye popping stats.

Truthfully, I think Hurts would need 3-4 more years of sustained success (both wins and stats) to get there. If that results in 100 rushing TDs, cool.

I'm with the need for longevity.

I'm also one of those "Eli deserves to be in" Guys.

2 Super Bowls. Both against Brady. He was clutch in both of the playoff stats and is "Famous" for it.

He might not get into the Hall of Awesome Stats or Hall of Best Ever though

We’ve been over this in the Eli thread but that’s not what fame means in this context. It’s about greatness not celebrity. Eli had a few great moments on the biggest stage and is recognized by those Super Bowl MVPs for those. Not enough to be in the HOf. Hurts has a few great moments too. He honestly could have been the Super Bowl MVP in 22 in spite of the loss and IIRC he was on pace to be the regular season MVP before getting hurt that year. I’m failing to think of another HOf QB that doesn’t have a prolonged peak of excellence, though. Steve Young? He has at least a half dozen great years with a few more derailed by injury. Staying healthy will be Hurts’ biggest obstacle. At least I hope so…it would be a shame if folks held the tush push against him.

 

[Ruffrodys05]

IMO, it's an interesting thought experiment but, really nothing more than that at this point in his career. I remember thinking early on that Newton had a decent chance to get to 100.

What I find I'm more curious of is the breakdown of those career 55 rushing TD's between assisted vs. non-assisted. I think those numbers would be interesting.

 

[Terpman22]

IMO, it's an interesting thought experiment but, really nothing more than that at this point in his career. I remember thinking early on that Newton had a decent chance to get to 100.

What I find I'm more curious of is the breakdown of those career 55 rushing TD's between assisted vs. non-assisted. I think those numbers would be interesting.

I hear ya. I'd like to see a list of that breakdown of all the running backs that had 100 rushing touchdowns. Assisted vs non assisted. From what I recall Emmitt Smith got most of his TDs 100% on his own

 

[fred_1_15301]

Hurts will get in because he’s an elite QB (and leader) who is going to win more Super Bowls. The rushing TDs will be the icing on the cake.

 

[ghostguy123]

No. If he has 200 one inch TDs, that does not automatically put someone in the HOF.

 

[BladeRunner]

No. If he has 200 one inch TDs, that does not automatically put someone in the HOF.

200, 1-inch ASSISSTED TDs, to be clear. And by "assisted" I mean physically having other players push you into the endzone.

In reality, he should only be getting partial credit for those TDs. The TDs should be divided up equally amongst all the players who pushed him into the endzone. 3 players pushed you into the endzone? Each player gets .25 TD credit (3 players + ball holder).

 

[-OZ-]

In reality, he should only be getting partial credit for those TDs. The TDs should be divided up equally amongst all the players who pushed him into the endzone. 3 players pushed you into the endzone? Each player gets .25 TD credit (3 players + ball holder).

Sure. If Emmitt smith and others with great OL support also lose credit for not doing it on their own. No player does any of this on their own. As long as they are playing within the rules at the time, they get credit for the stats they accumulated.

Is there really that big a difference between following a fullback into the end zone vs being pushed?

 

[Cowboysfan8]

Is there really that big a difference between following a fullback into the end zone vs being pushed?

Yes imo

 

[Terpman22]

Is there really that big a difference between following a fullback into the end zone vs being pushed?

Yes imo

There is, and this is all new. But the Hall of Fame is not the same as the NFL. The Hall of Fame LOVES new stuff. I'm sure the people that vote will have this discussion, but at the end of the day I think it'll come down to first and foremost, how much success as the highest levels - championships, mvps, then stats.

Its part of NFL Lore now, much like Eli Manning taking down Tom Brady 2x. I am a "Eli should get in guy" but that stance would change if both of his SBs were against say, Phillip Rivers and Big Ben.

But bc he is the guy that was able to give Tom Brady 2/3 of his SB Losses, and the fact one was against an undefeated team "has value" in voting circles.

Now there could be an "anti" Hurts HOF theme which could be very on brand honestly, but I think if we are having the discussion 15+ years down the road, people will sort of push him in b/c of all the adversity he overcame and success just to get to a point where they are even talking about it, if that makes sense.

 

[-OZ-]

Is there really that big a difference between following a fullback into the end zone vs being pushed?

Yes imo

There’s a difference but not as significant as some are making this out to be. This debate keeps circling but if there were THAT big of a difference, more teams would have success with this play.

 

[SHH]

I think if he gets to another Super Bowl then he's a shoo in, right?

Don't have a list in front of me, but I imagine every QB who has ever lead a team to 3+ Super Bowls is in the HOF, yeah?


Kind of what separates the Joe Flacco / Trent Dilfer's from the true HOF talent. Get there and even win one by fluke, but get there multiple times and it's hard not to give credit without being a player hater.


Kurt Warner got in with 1 win, 2 losses. I'd imagine if you put their career stats next to each other, they're probably pretty similar.

Unless Hurts not having an underdog story somehow hurts him? Shouldn't if it's about what's done on the field...

 

[SHH]

List of QBs with 3+ Super Bowl appearances. If you had to draw a line somewhere, that's a great place to start.
All of these guys are in the HOF, I believe.

• Tom Brady: Led his team to 10 Super Bowl appearances, winning 7.
• Patrick Mahomes: Has appeared in 3 Super Bowls, winning 2.
• Joe Montana: Appeared in 4 Super Bowls, winning 4.
• Terry Bradshaw: Appeared in 4 Super Bowls, winning 4.
• Troy Aikman: Appeared in 3 Super Bowls, winning 3.
• Bob Griese: Appeared in 3 Super Bowls, winning 2.
• Ben Roethlisberger: Appeared in 3 Super Bowls, winning 2.
• Peyton Manning: Appeared in 3 Super Bowls, winning 2.
• John Elway: Appeared in 8 Super Bowls, winning 2.
• Roger Staubach: Appeared in 4 Super Bowls, winning 2.

Complete list:

Most Super Bowl Appearances By A Qb | StatMuse

Tom Brady has the most career games by a quarterback in Super Bowls, with 10 games.

www.statmuse.com

 

[Ilov80s]

Too early to say but if he can play 8 more years to 34 like this, he will. Too many TDs and playoff runs to ignore.

 

[need2know]

Jalen is a shoo in hall of famer with just a few more years of avg stats. Amazing really

 

[Snotbubbles]

IMO, it's an interesting thought experiment but, really nothing more than that at this point in his career. I remember thinking early on that Newton had a decent chance to get to 100.

What I find I'm more curious of is the breakdown of those career 55 rushing TD's between assisted vs. non-assisted. I think those numbers would be interesting.

I hear ya. I'd like to see a list of that breakdown of all the running backs that had 100 rushing touchdowns. Assisted vs non assisted. From what I recall Emmitt Smith got most of his TDs 100% on his own

Hurts had 13 rushing TD prior to the Eagles installing the tush push. Since installing the tush push, he has another 13 rushing TD from 3+ yards. So 26 rushing TDs that weren't tush push aided. I'm not sure how many of the other 29 TDs were also not tush push related, but there could be a few as he has some 2 yard rushing TDs too.

 

[Terpman22]

List of QBs with 3+ Super Bowl appearances. If you had to draw a line somewhere, that's a great place to start.
All of these guys are in the HOF, I believe.

• Tom Brady: Led his team to 10 Super Bowl appearances, winning 7.
• Patrick Mahomes: Has appeared in 3 Super Bowls, winning 2.
• Joe Montana: Appeared in 4 Super Bowls, winning 4.
• Terry Bradshaw: Appeared in 4 Super Bowls, winning 4.
• Troy Aikman: Appeared in 3 Super Bowls, winning 3.
• Bob Griese: Appeared in 3 Super Bowls, winning 2.
• Ben Roethlisberger: Appeared in 3 Super Bowls, winning 2.
• Peyton Manning: Appeared in 3 Super Bowls, winning 2.
• John Elway: Appeared in 8 Super Bowls, winning 2.
• Roger Staubach: Appeared in 4 Super Bowls, winning 2.

Complete list:

Most Super Bowl Appearances By A Qb | StatMuse

Tom Brady has the most career games by a quarterback in Super Bowls, with 10 games.

www.statmuse.com

Weird they got the Manning stat wrong. 2-2 record, 1-1 with each team

Beat the Bears and lost to the Saints as a Colts QB
Beat the Niners and got taken to the woodshed by the Seahawks.

 

[ghostguy123]

Elway was in 8 super bowls?

 

[SHH]

List of QBs with 3+ Super Bowl appearances. If you had to draw a line somewhere, that's a great place to start.
All of these guys are in the HOF, I believe.

• Tom Brady: Led his team to 10 Super Bowl appearances, winning 7.
• Patrick Mahomes: Has appeared in 3 Super Bowls, winning 2.
• Joe Montana: Appeared in 4 Super Bowls, winning 4.
• Terry Bradshaw: Appeared in 4 Super Bowls, winning 4.
• Troy Aikman: Appeared in 3 Super Bowls, winning 3.
• Bob Griese: Appeared in 3 Super Bowls, winning 2.
• Ben Roethlisberger: Appeared in 3 Super Bowls, winning 2.
• Peyton Manning: Appeared in 3 Super Bowls, winning 2.
• John Elway: Appeared in 8 Super Bowls, winning 2.
• Roger Staubach: Appeared in 4 Super Bowls, winning 2.

Complete list:

Most Super Bowl Appearances By A Qb | StatMuse

Tom Brady has the most career games by a quarterback in Super Bowls, with 10 games.

www.statmuse.com

Weird they got the Manning stat wrong. 2-2 record, 1-1 with each team

Beat the Bears and lost to the Saints as a Colts QB
Beat the Niners and got taken to the woodshed by the Seahawks.

Elway was in 8 super bowls?

Lol! This is the second time AI has done this today. Both times from Google AI. First time was in the NBA thread where they busted my balls for it in there too.

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Friday at 8:21 AM

Also, for whoever needs to hear this... Anthony Edwards is not Michael Jordan!!

Jordan was 28 when he won his first title. Ant is 23. Why do we have to do this with every player.

By the age of 23, Michael Jordan had already established himself as a dominant force in the NBA. He was drafted in 1984, and by the time he turned 23 in 1986, he had already achieved the following:

• NBA Rookie of the Year:
  Jordan won Rookie of the Year in 1985, showcasing his exceptional talent from the beginning.
  
  
• First NBA All-Star Game and Scoring Title:
  He was selected...

• SHH

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It's literally batting 0% on correct sports blurbs for me today. Hilarious how people tout how awesome AI is and how it's going to take everyone's job when it literally can't pull the simplest sports data correctly.

 

[eighsse2]

List of QBs with 3+ Super Bowl appearances. If you had to draw a line somewhere, that's a great place to start.
All of these guys are in the HOF, I believe.

• Tom Brady: Led his team to 10 Super Bowl appearances, winning 7.
• Patrick Mahomes: Has appeared in 3 Super Bowls, winning 2.
• Joe Montana: Appeared in 4 Super Bowls, winning 4.
• Terry Bradshaw: Appeared in 4 Super Bowls, winning 4.
• Troy Aikman: Appeared in 3 Super Bowls, winning 3.
• Bob Griese: Appeared in 3 Super Bowls, winning 2.
• Ben Roethlisberger: Appeared in 3 Super Bowls, winning 2.
• Peyton Manning: Appeared in 3 Super Bowls, winning 2.
• John Elway: Appeared in 8 Super Bowls, winning 2.
• Roger Staubach: Appeared in 4 Super Bowls, winning 2.

Complete list:

Most Super Bowl Appearances By A Qb | StatMuse

Tom Brady has the most career games by a quarterback in Super Bowls, with 10 games.

www.statmuse.com

Weird they got the Manning stat wrong. 2-2 record, 1-1 with each team

Beat the Bears and lost to the Saints as a Colts QB
Beat the Niners and got taken to the woodshed by the Seahawks.

Beat the Panthers, not Niners, unless I've lost the rest of my mind.

 

[IHEARTFF]

Check those Mahomes stats again, @SHH

Yes I think Hurts would be a lock with 100 rushing TDs

 

[renesauz]

No. If he has 200 one inch TDs, that does not automatically put someone in the HOF.

200, 1-inch ASSISSTED TDs, to be clear. And by "assisted" I mean physically having other players push you into the endzone.

In reality, he should only be getting partial credit for those TDs. The TDs should be divided up equally amongst all the players who pushed him into the endzone. 3 players pushed you into the endzone? Each player gets .25 TD credit (3 players + ball holder).

please get off this kick. He gains no more then 5% on his conversion % from the assistance. And that is NOT a subjective or debatable statistic. So in that context, 200 would be 190. WOuld THAT be enough?

 

[need2know]

No. If he has 200 one inch TDs, that does not automatically put someone in the HOF.

200, 1-inch ASSISSTED TDs, to be clear. And by "assisted" I mean physically having other players push you into the endzone.

In reality, he should only be getting partial credit for those TDs. The TDs should be divided up equally amongst all the players who pushed him into the endzone. 3 players pushed you into the endzone? Each player gets .25 TD credit (3 players + ball holder).

please get off this kick. He gains no more then 5% on his conversion % from the assistance. And that is NOT a subjective or debatable statistic. So in that context, 200 would be 190. WOuld THAT be enough?

Hate us cause they aint us.

 

[Terpman22]

List of QBs with 3+ Super Bowl appearances. If you had to draw a line somewhere, that's a great place to start.
All of these guys are in the HOF, I believe.

• Tom Brady: Led his team to 10 Super Bowl appearances, winning 7.
• Patrick Mahomes: Has appeared in 3 Super Bowls, winning 2.
• Joe Montana: Appeared in 4 Super Bowls, winning 4.
• Terry Bradshaw: Appeared in 4 Super Bowls, winning 4.
• Troy Aikman: Appeared in 3 Super Bowls, winning 3.
• Bob Griese: Appeared in 3 Super Bowls, winning 2.
• Ben Roethlisberger: Appeared in 3 Super Bowls, winning 2.
• Peyton Manning: Appeared in 3 Super Bowls, winning 2.
• John Elway: Appeared in 8 Super Bowls, winning 2.
• Roger Staubach: Appeared in 4 Super Bowls, winning 2.

Complete list:

Most Super Bowl Appearances By A Qb | StatMuse

Tom Brady has the most career games by a quarterback in Super Bowls, with 10 games.

www.statmuse.com

Weird they got the Manning stat wrong. 2-2 record, 1-1 with each team

Beat the Bears and lost to the Saints as a Colts QB
Beat the Niners and got taken to the woodshed by the Seahawks.

Beat the Panthers, not Niners, unless I've lost the rest of my mind.

Correct, damn me

 

[Gatorade]

Who is better, Jalen Hurts or Dak Prescott?


AI Overview
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It's difficult to definitively say whether Jalen Hurts or Dak Prescott is "better" overall, as it depends on how success is measured. One view, often cited by Reddit users, suggests Dak Prescott is a better passer and has a higher football IQ. He also generally surpasses Hurts in terms of regular season performance. On the other hand, Jalen Hurts has demonstrated a stronger presence in the postseason, winning a Super Bowl and leading the Eagles to two NFC Championship appearances.

 

[ProstheticRGK]

Show me at least 5-6 more years of high level play, with more playoff/SB wins, we can start talking.

Show 8-10 more years (please!) of top dog play and more SB win(s) and definitely.

Shaun Alexander is a good comp. If his career is over today- HOF voters think of him as belonging in the “Hall of Very Good”.

As it stands now, he is a great fantasy start. As a football fan, he plays clutch and will do whatever it takes to help the team win.

As an Eagles fan, very happy and comfortable with him at the helm of the franchise. Show me more. I think he gets into the HOF, but there’s still a lot of story left to unfold.

 

[-OZ-]

Show me at least 5-6 more years of high level play, with more playoff/SB wins, we can start talking.

Show 8-10 more years (please!) of top dog play and more SB win(s) and definitely.

Shaun Alexander is a good comp. If his career is over today- HOF voters think of him as belonging in the “Hall of Very Good”.

As it stands now, he is a great fantasy start. As a football fan, he plays clutch and will do whatever it takes to help the team win.

As an Eagles fan, very happy and comfortable with him at the helm of the franchise. Show me more. I think he gets into the HOF, but there’s still a lot of story left to unfold.

5 more years at this level and he’s objectively better than Warner. Lock it up at that point. 8-10 and there’s zero doubt.

 

[TheWinz]

List of QBs with 3+ Super Bowl appearances. If you had to draw a line somewhere, that's a great place to start.
All of these guys are in the HOF, I believe.

• Tom Brady: Led his team to 10 Super Bowl appearances, winning 7.
• Patrick Mahomes: Has appeared in 3 Super Bowls, winning 2.
• Joe Montana: Appeared in 4 Super Bowls, winning 4.
• Terry Bradshaw: Appeared in 4 Super Bowls, winning 4.
• Troy Aikman: Appeared in 3 Super Bowls, winning 3.
• Bob Griese: Appeared in 3 Super Bowls, winning 2.
• Ben Roethlisberger: Appeared in 3 Super Bowls, winning 2.
• Peyton Manning: Appeared in 3 Super Bowls, winning 2.
• John Elway: Appeared in 8 Super Bowls, winning 2.
• Roger Staubach: Appeared in 4 Super Bowls, winning 2.

Complete list:

Most Super Bowl Appearances By A Qb | StatMuse

Tom Brady has the most career games by a quarterback in Super Bowls, with 10 games.

www.statmuse.com

Tom Brady led his team, but all the others simply appeared?

 

[rzrback77]

Thread title error. Should have had “Tush Push” King makes Hall of Fame.

 

[eighsse2]

List of QBs with 3+ Super Bowl appearances. If you had to draw a line somewhere, that's a great place to start.
All of these guys are in the HOF, I believe.

• Tom Brady: Led his team to 10 Super Bowl appearances, winning 7.
• Patrick Mahomes: Has appeared in 3 Super Bowls, winning 2.
• Joe Montana: Appeared in 4 Super Bowls, winning 4.
• Terry Bradshaw: Appeared in 4 Super Bowls, winning 4.
• Troy Aikman: Appeared in 3 Super Bowls, winning 3.
• Bob Griese: Appeared in 3 Super Bowls, winning 2.
• Ben Roethlisberger: Appeared in 3 Super Bowls, winning 2.
• Peyton Manning: Appeared in 3 Super Bowls, winning 2.
• John Elway: Appeared in 8 Super Bowls, winning 2.
• Roger Staubach: Appeared in 4 Super Bowls, winning 2.

Complete list:

Most Super Bowl Appearances By A Qb | StatMuse

Tom Brady has the most career games by a quarterback in Super Bowls, with 10 games.

www.statmuse.com

Weird they got the Manning stat wrong. 2-2 record, 1-1 with each team

Beat the Bears and lost to the Saints as a Colts QB
Beat the Niners and got taken to the woodshed by the Seahawks.

Beat the Panthers, not Niners, unless I've lost the rest of my mind.

Correct, damn me

"I damn thee." -- Navin Johnson

 

[ProstheticRGK]

List of QBs with 3+ Super Bowl appearances. If you had to draw a line somewhere, that's a great place to start.
All of these guys are in the HOF, I believe.

• Tom Brady: Led his team to 10 Super Bowl appearances, winning 7.
• Patrick Mahomes: Has appeared in 3 Super Bowls, winning 2.
• Joe Montana: Appeared in 4 Super Bowls, winning 4.
• Terry Bradshaw: Appeared in 4 Super Bowls, winning 4.
• Troy Aikman: Appeared in 3 Super Bowls, winning 3.
• Bob Griese: Appeared in 3 Super Bowls, winning 2.
• Ben Roethlisberger: Appeared in 3 Super Bowls, winning 2.
• Peyton Manning: Appeared in 3 Super Bowls, winning 2.
• John Elway: Appeared in 8 Super Bowls, winning 2.
• Roger Staubach: Appeared in 4 Super Bowls, winning 2.

Complete list:

Most Super Bowl Appearances By A Qb | StatMuse

Tom Brady has the most career games by a quarterback in Super Bowls, with 10 games.

www.statmuse.com

Weird they got the Manning stat wrong. 2-2 record, 1-1 with each team

Beat the Bears and lost to the Saints as a Colts QB
Beat the Niners and got taken to the woodshed by the Seahawks.

Beat the Panthers, not Niners, unless I've lost the rest of my mind.

Correct, damn me

"I damn thee." -- Navin Johnson

It’s those cans he hates those cans

 

[BladeRunner]

No. If he has 200 one inch TDs, that does not automatically put someone in the HOF.

200, 1-inch ASSISSTED TDs, to be clear. And by "assisted" I mean physically having other players push you into the endzone.

In reality, he should only be getting partial credit for those TDs. The TDs should be divided up equally amongst all the players who pushed him into the endzone. 3 players pushed you into the endzone? Each player gets .25 TD credit (3 players + ball holder).

please get off this kick. He gains no more then 5% on his conversion % from the assistance. And that is NOT a subjective or debatable statistic. So in that context, 200 would be 190. WOuld THAT be enough?

Hate us cause they aint us.

Nobody likes cheaters.

Also, the "hate us because they ain't us" shtick doesn't work with fans whose team already has 13 NFL Championships. Your massive TWO championships is cute, but don't let it go to your head.

 

[-OZ-]

Nobody likes cheaters.

Which team are we talking about?

NFL cheating scandals: How each NFL franchise has cheated over the history of the league

The New England Patriots have been punished for cheating twice in the Bill Belichick era. Here is how every other team in the league has cheated.

www.masslive.com

 

[Pip's Invitation]

Is there really that big a difference between following a fullback into the end zone vs being pushed?

Yes imo

There is, and this is all new. But the Hall of Fame is not the same as the NFL. The Hall of Fame LOVES new stuff. I'm sure the people that vote will have this discussion, but at the end of the day I think it'll come down to first and foremost, how much success as the highest levels - championships, mvps, then stats.

Its part of NFL Lore now, much like Eli Manning taking down Tom Brady 2x. I am a "Eli should get in guy" but that stance would change if both of his SBs were against say, Phillip Rivers and Big Ben.

But bc he is the guy that was able to give Tom Brady 2/3 of his SB Losses, and the fact one was against an undefeated team "has value" in voting circles.

Now there could be an "anti" Hurts HOF theme which could be very on brand honestly, but I think if we are having the discussion 15+ years down the road, people will sort of push him in b/c of all the adversity he overcame and success just to get to a point where they are even talking about it, if that makes sense.

I’ve said it repeatedly here. The baseball HOF is (usually) about stats. The football HOF is not. It’s about narrative. Hurts’ rushing TD numbers won’t determine whether he gets in. His overall contribution to the narrative of his era will.

 

[SHH]

Is there really that big a difference between following a fullback into the end zone vs being pushed?

Yes imo

There is, and this is all new. But the Hall of Fame is not the same as the NFL. The Hall of Fame LOVES new stuff. I'm sure the people that vote will have this discussion, but at the end of the day I think it'll come down to first and foremost, how much success as the highest levels - championships, mvps, then stats.

Its part of NFL Lore now, much like Eli Manning taking down Tom Brady 2x. I am a "Eli should get in guy" but that stance would change if both of his SBs were against say, Phillip Rivers and Big Ben.

But bc he is the guy that was able to give Tom Brady 2/3 of his SB Losses, and the fact one was against an undefeated team "has value" in voting circles.

Now there could be an "anti" Hurts HOF theme which could be very on brand honestly, but I think if we are having the discussion 15+ years down the road, people will sort of push him in b/c of all the adversity he overcame and success just to get to a point where they are even talking about it, if that makes sense.

I’ve said it repeatedly here. The baseball HOF is (usually) about stats. The football HOF is not. It’s about narrative. Hurts’ rushing TD numbers won’t determine whether he gets in. His overall contribution to the narrative of his era will.

As of right now, he's Patrick Mahomes #1 rival. Move over Joe Burrow.

If you want to be Patrick Mahomes arch nemesis, you need to have a ring.

 

[BladeRunner]

Nobody likes cheaters.

Which team are we talking about?

NFL cheating scandals: How each NFL franchise has cheated over the history of the league

The New England Patriots have been punished for cheating twice in the Bill Belichick era. Here is how every other team in the league has cheated.

www.masslive.com

Oh, I don't know. Maybe the one that is the discussion of this thread?

 

[IHEARTFF]

Is there really that big a difference between following a fullback into the end zone vs being pushed?

Yes imo

There is, and this is all new. But the Hall of Fame is not the same as the NFL. The Hall of Fame LOVES new stuff. I'm sure the people that vote will have this discussion, but at the end of the day I think it'll come down to first and foremost, how much success as the highest levels - championships, mvps, then stats.

Its part of NFL Lore now, much like Eli Manning taking down Tom Brady 2x. I am a "Eli should get in guy" but that stance would change if both of his SBs were against say, Phillip Rivers and Big Ben.

But bc he is the guy that was able to give Tom Brady 2/3 of his SB Losses, and the fact one was against an undefeated team "has value" in voting circles.

Now there could be an "anti" Hurts HOF theme which could be very on brand honestly, but I think if we are having the discussion 15+ years down the road, people will sort of push him in b/c of all the adversity he overcame and success just to get to a point where they are even talking about it, if that makes sense.

I’ve said it repeatedly here. The baseball HOF is (usually) about stats. The football HOF is not. It’s about narrative. Hurts’ rushing TD numbers won’t determine whether he gets in. His overall contribution to the narrative of his era will.

As of right now, he's Patrick Mahomes #1 rival. Move over Joe Burrow.

If you want to be Patrick Mahomes arch nemesis, you need to have a ring.

I think you need 3 but whose counting

 

[-OZ-]

Nobody likes cheaters.

Which team are we talking about?

NFL cheating scandals: How each NFL franchise has cheated over the history of the league

The New England Patriots have been punished for cheating twice in the Bill Belichick era. Here is how every other team in the league has cheated.

www.masslive.com

Oh, I don't know. Maybe the one that is the discussion of this thread?

Then stop with the “cheating” crap.

 

[BladeRunner]

Nobody likes cheaters.

Which team are we talking about?

NFL cheating scandals: How each NFL franchise has cheated over the history of the league

The New England Patriots have been punished for cheating twice in the Bill Belichick era. Here is how every other team in the league has cheated.

www.masslive.com

Oh, I don't know. Maybe the one that is the discussion of this thread?

Then stop with the “cheating” crap.

if the shoe fits...

 

[-OZ-]

Nobody likes cheaters.

Which team are we talking about?

NFL cheating scandals: How each NFL franchise has cheated over the history of the league

The New England Patriots have been punished for cheating twice in the Bill Belichick era. Here is how every other team in the league has cheated.

www.masslive.com

Oh, I don't know. Maybe the one that is the discussion of this thread?

Then stop with the “cheating” crap.

if the shoe fits...

Hint - it doesn’t here

 

[BladeRunner]

Nobody likes cheaters.

Which team are we talking about?

NFL cheating scandals: How each NFL franchise has cheated over the history of the league

The New England Patriots have been punished for cheating twice in the Bill Belichick era. Here is how every other team in the league has cheated.

www.masslive.com

Oh, I don't know. Maybe the one that is the discussion of this thread?

Then stop with the “cheating” crap.

if the shoe fits...

Hint - it doesn’t here

I disagree, but that's okay. People know when something ain't right, and this play certainly isn't right. Of course, the homers will disagree because it benefits them, but where there is smoke, there is fire and we have a wildfire here. So much so that we have to evacuate people to safer ground.