If Jalen Hurts Gets 100+ Rushing Touchdowns = Hall of Fame? (2 Viewers)

[Deamon]

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[Deamon]

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He can’t even answer a simple question about his name. I was curious because I’ve always wondered WTF a deamon was.

Apparently he took that as an attack.


Oh and Joe said “deamon” was responsible for the being removed a few months back. I saw Joe warn him about it a few days ago for - shocker, doing it again.

In computing, a daemon is a program that runs in the background, often without user interaction, performing system tasks. In mythology, particularly in ancient Greek and some other cultures, a daemon is a lesser deity, spirit, or a guardian spirit, often associated with good or bad luck.

- direct quote from Mr Well Actually (probably)

Right

So what’s a deamon?

Damn, is your Eagles obsession getting a bit bored that you have to obsess over people's user names's now? That's very sad.

 

[Cowboysfan8]

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[Snotbubbles]

Eli Manning has 4 Pro Bowls over 16 seasons. That's it.

Ah, but if Eli had 100 rushing TDs to go along with those 4 pro bowls and 2 rings. He’d be a lock, right?

Well if you're trying to compare Eli to Hurts. Hurts already has a 2nd team All-Pro selection on his resume. Something Eli never accomplished. So at least, for one season, Hurts was considered one of the top 2 players at his position.

Be that as it may, you didn’t answer the question.

If Eli Manning had 100+ Rushing TDS to go along with his current resume, would he be a lock for the HOF?

He wouldn't be a lock, but I'd say he'd probably get in. Being the first to do something is probably enough.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

I have a non football related question.....

WTF is a @Deamon ?

I could tell you, but I like having posting privileges

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I got a TO the same time you did. And as I’ve posted numerous times, the mods have posted here that I don’t do that.
Can you say the same?

He can’t even answer a simple question about his name. I was curious because I’ve always wondered WTF a deamon was.

Apparently he took that as an attack.


Oh and Joe said “deamon” was responsible for the being removed a few months back. I saw Joe warn him about it a few days ago for - shocker, doing it again.

In computing, a daemon is a program that runs in the background, often without user interaction, performing system tasks. In mythology, particularly in ancient Greek and some other cultures, a daemon is a lesser deity, spirit, or a guardian spirit, often associated with good or bad luck.

- direct quote from Mr Well Actually (probably)

Right

So what’s a deamon?

In computing, a daemon is a program that runs in the background, often without user interaction, performing system tasks. In mythology, particularly in ancient Greek and some other cultures, a daemon is a lesser deity, spirit, or a guardian spirit, often associated with good or bad luck.

And I thought I was this boards worst speller.

 

[BobbyLayne]

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He can’t even answer a simple question about his name. I was curious because I’ve always wondered WTF a deamon was.

Apparently he took that as an attack.


Oh and Joe said “deamon” was responsible for the being removed a few months back. I saw Joe warn him about it a few days ago for - shocker, doing it again.

In computing, a daemon is a program that runs in the background, often without user interaction, performing system tasks. In mythology, particularly in ancient Greek and some other cultures, a daemon is a lesser deity, spirit, or a guardian spirit, often associated with good or bad luck.

- direct quote from Mr Well Actually (probably)

Right

So what’s a deamon?

In computing, a daemon is a program that runs in the background, often without user interaction, performing system tasks. In mythology, particularly in ancient Greek and some other cultures, a daemon is a lesser deity, spirit, or a guardian spirit, often associated with good or bad luck.

And I thought I was this boards worst speller.

the truly confusing thing is I’m pretty sure it’s pronounced dawn

 

[Deamon]

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You got like 10 hours and I got a week. Clearly you're the one reporting but okay.

Anyone that frequents the board knows what’s up in here. I’m good

The only posts you make anymore are complaining about other posters

Lol complaining about eagles posters is literally all you do

 

[Cowboysfan8]

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Anyone that frequents the board knows what’s up in here. I’m good

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Lol complaining about eagles posters is literally all you do

I have a non football related question.....

WTF is a @Deamon ?

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You got like 10 hours and I got a week. Clearly you're the one reporting but okay.

Anyone that frequents the board knows what’s up in here. I’m good

The only posts you make anymore are complaining about other posters

Lol complaining about eagles posters is literally all you do

In the last few days I’ve posted in the golf threads, gardening thread, wcws and baseball threads off the top off my head.
Which other threads have you participated in?

 

[smbkrypt24]

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You got like 10 hours and I got a week. Clearly you're the one reporting but okay.

Anyone that frequents the board knows what’s up in here. I’m good

The only posts you make anymore are complaining about other posters

Lol complaining about eagles posters is literally all you do

In the last few days I’ve posted in the golf threads, gardening thread, wcws and baseball threads of the top off my head.
Which other threads have you participated in?

wide range and also riveting discussion.

 

[Cowboysfan8]

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You got like 10 hours and I got a week. Clearly you're the one reporting but okay.

Anyone that frequents the board knows what’s up in here. I’m good

The only posts you make anymore are complaining about other posters

Lol complaining about eagles posters is literally all you do

In the last few days I’ve posted in the golf threads, gardening thread, wcws and baseball threads of the top off my head.
Which other threads have you participated in?

wide range and also riveting discussion.

 

[FBG Moderator]

I have a non football related question.....

WTF is a @Deamon ?

I could tell you, but I like having posting privileges

Says the guy who reported me last week

1.That account did not report you.
2. Laughing at people who report others is probably not a path, you in particular, want to pursue.

 

[Anarchy99]

As I mentioned pages ago, I think voters will adjust their thinking and consider total TDs for QBs, meaning that they will likely consider a season with 38 passing TD and 2 rushing TD on par with one with 25 passing TD and 15 rushing TD.

HOF voters have valued (in order) winning titles, individual accolades (MVPs, first team All Pro selections, etc.), and career counting stats. Getting 100 rushing TDs would be a nice accomplishment, but IMO, that total would just be added to passing TDs to come up with a career TD total. I'm not sure Hurts would get extra credit for being the first to 100 rushing TD as a QB (and he might not even be the first . . . Josh Allen has 10 more rushing TD).

For ha-ha's, I compiled a list of notable QBs from the past 10-15 years and how they fared on a per game basis in terms of passing and rushing TDs per game over their careers (regular season stats only). To make it simple, I divided total TD by games started, meaning it's not a true listing of TD/start (I didn't have the time or the energy to weed out the TDs from games not started).

Allen - 2.36
Mahomes - 2.31
Rodgers - 2.23
Burrow - 2.20
Hurts, Lamar - 2.12
Peyton - 2.10
Brees - 2.08
Brady - 2.03
Romo - 1.99
Watson, Prescott - 1.98
Cousins - 1.93
Newton - 1.92
Wilson, Winston - 1.91
Herbert - 1.90
Warner - 1.82
Murray - 1.78
Big Ben, Rivers - 1.77
Stafford, Mayfield - 1.76
Favre, Goff - 1.75
Wentz, Tua - 1.71
Ryan - 1.68
Palmer - 1.67
Fitzgerald - 1.66
Dalton - 1.64
Tannehill - 1.61
Eli - 1.59
Carr - 1.56
Cutler - 1.54
McNabb - 1.52
Vick - 1.50
Flacco - 1.43
Hasselbeck - 1.38

Hurts is currently in distinguished company, so he is pacing as a HOFer on the TD production front. However, he's started about a quarter to a third of the games of the other long-term starters and future HOFers on the list. Most QBs will see their production drop compared to their primes. Maybe Hurts will start trading rushing TD for passing TD as he enters his 30s. He also is still pretty young, so he may have another level to get to productivity wise.

 

[FBG Moderator]

And one last warning - People please stop ruining this thread with grade school slap fight stuff. Or it will be a lot longer than a week.

 

[Snotbubbles]

As I mentioned pages ago, I think voters will adjust their thinking and consider total TDs for QBs, meaning that they will likely consider a season with 38 passing TD and 2 rushing TD on par with one with 25 passing TD and 15 rushing TD.

HOF voters have valued (in order) winning titles, individual accolades (MVPs, first team All Pro selections, etc.), and career counting stats. Getting 100 rushing TDs would be a nice accomplishment, but IMO, that total would just be added to passing TDs to come up with a career TD total. I'm not sure Hurts would get extra credit for being the first to 100 rushing TD as a QB (and he might not even be the first . . . Josh Allen has 10 more rushing TD).

For ha-ha's, I compiled a list of notable QBs from the past 10-15 years and how they fared on a per game basis in terms of passing and rushing TDs per game over their careers (regular season stats only). To make it simple, I divided total TD by games started, meaning it's not a true listing of TD/start (I didn't have the time or the energy to weed out the TDs from games not started).

Allen - 2.36
Mahomes - 2.31
Rodgers - 2.23
Burrow - 2.20
Hurts, Lamar - 2.12
Peyton - 2.10
Brees - 2.08
Brady - 2.03
Romo - 1.99
Watson, Prescott - 1.98
Cousins - 1.93
Newton - 1.92
Wilson, Winston - 1.91
Herbert - 1.90
Warner - 1.82
Murray - 1.78
Big Ben, Rivers - 1.77
Stafford, Mayfield - 1.76
Favre, Goff - 1.75
Wentz, Tua - 1.71
Ryan - 1.68
Palmer - 1.67
Fitzgerald - 1.66
Dalton - 1.64
Tannehill - 1.61
Eli - 1.59
Carr - 1.56
Cutler - 1.54
McNabb - 1.52
Vick - 1.50
Flacco - 1.43
Hasselbeck - 1.38

Hurts is currently in distinguished company, so he is pacing as a HOFer on the TD production front. However, he's started about a quarter to a third of the games of the other long-term starters and future HOFers on the list. Most QBs will see their production drop compared to their primes. Maybe Hurts will start trading rushing TD for passing TD as he enters his 30s. He also is still pretty young, so he may have another level to get to productivity wise.

Just another example of why I'm out on Eli Manning.

 

[Ruffrodys05]

Please, just stop. Thank you.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

As I mentioned pages ago, I think voters will adjust their thinking and consider total TDs for QBs, meaning that they will likely consider a season with 38 passing TD and 2 rushing TD on par with one with 25 passing TD and 15 rushing TD.

HOF voters have valued (in order) winning titles, individual accolades (MVPs, first team All Pro selections, etc.), and career counting stats. Getting 100 rushing TDs would be a nice accomplishment, but IMO, that total would just be added to passing TDs to come up with a career TD total. I'm not sure Hurts would get extra credit for being the first to 100 rushing TD as a QB (and he might not even be the first . . . Josh Allen has 10 more rushing TD).

For ha-ha's, I compiled a list of notable QBs from the past 10-15 years and how they fared on a per game basis in terms of passing and rushing TDs per game over their careers (regular season stats only). To make it simple, I divided total TD by games started, meaning it's not a true listing of TD/start (I didn't have the time or the energy to weed out the TDs from games not started).

Allen - 2.36
Mahomes - 2.31
Rodgers - 2.23
Burrow - 2.20
Hurts, Lamar - 2.12
Peyton - 2.10
Brees - 2.08
Brady - 2.03
Romo - 1.99
Watson, Prescott - 1.98
Cousins - 1.93
Newton - 1.92
Wilson, Winston - 1.91
Herbert - 1.90
Warner - 1.82
Murray - 1.78
Big Ben, Rivers - 1.77
Stafford, Mayfield - 1.76
Favre, Goff - 1.75
Wentz, Tua - 1.71
Ryan - 1.68
Palmer - 1.67
Fitzgerald - 1.66
Dalton - 1.64
Tannehill - 1.61
Eli - 1.59
Carr - 1.56
Cutler - 1.54
McNabb - 1.52
Vick - 1.50
Flacco - 1.43
Hasselbeck - 1.38

Hurts is currently in distinguished company, so he is pacing as a HOFer on the TD production front. However, he's started about a quarter to a third of the games of the other long-term starters and future HOFers on the list. Most QBs will see their production drop compared to their primes. Maybe Hurts will start trading rushing TD for passing TD as he enters his 30s. He also is still pretty young, so he may have another level to get to productivity wise.

Just another example of why I'm out on Eli Manning.

I also would not put him in but he beat Brady twice, has the IRONMAN record and most important, his last name is Manning.

 

[FBG Moderator]

I have a non football related question.....

WTF is a @Deamon ?

I could tell you, but I like having posting privileges

Says the guy who reported me last week

I got a TO the same time you did. And as I’ve posted numerous times, the mods have posted here that I don’t do that.
Can you say the same?

You got like 10 hours and I got a week. Clearly you're the one reporting but okay.

Anyone that frequents the board knows what’s up in here. I’m good

The only posts you make anymore are complaining about other posters

Lol complaining about eagles posters is literally all you do

I have a non football related question.....

WTF is a @Deamon ?

I could tell you, but I like having posting privileges

Says the guy who reported me last week

I got a TO the same time you did. And as I’ve posted numerous times, the mods have posted here that I don’t do that.
Can you say the same?

You got like 10 hours and I got a week. Clearly you're the one reporting but okay.

Anyone that frequents the board knows what’s up in here. I’m good

The only posts you make anymore are complaining about other posters

Lol complaining about eagles posters is literally all you do

In the last few days I’ve posted in the golf threads, gardening thread, wcws and baseball threads off the top off my head.
Which other threads have you participated in?

Ah okay, so non football threads and all football threads are about the Eagles. It's your MO to be obsessed with posting nothing about actual football and solely about fans but I guess you're allowed that.

Wrong again

And the mods proved you to be a liar again, I’m sure you saw it and will ignore it again just like last time.

Don’t quote me anymore

Not wrong at all. You're clearly the one lying here.

We asked politely. Please be more cool if you come back.

 

[Uruk-Hai]

As I mentioned pages ago, I think voters will adjust their thinking and consider total TDs for QBs, meaning that they will likely consider a season with 38 passing TD and 2 rushing TD on par with one with 25 passing TD and 15 rushing TD.

HOF voters have valued (in order) winning titles, individual accolades (MVPs, first team All Pro selections, etc.), and career counting stats. Getting 100 rushing TDs would be a nice accomplishment, but IMO, that total would just be added to passing TDs to come up with a career TD total. I'm not sure Hurts would get extra credit for being the first to 100 rushing TD as a QB (and he might not even be the first . . . Josh Allen has 10 more rushing TD).

For ha-ha's, I compiled a list of notable QBs from the past 10-15 years and how they fared on a per game basis in terms of passing and rushing TDs per game over their careers (regular season stats only). To make it simple, I divided total TD by games started, meaning it's not a true listing of TD/start (I didn't have the time or the energy to weed out the TDs from games not started).

Allen - 2.36
Mahomes - 2.31
Rodgers - 2.23
Burrow - 2.20
Hurts, Lamar - 2.12
Peyton - 2.10
Brees - 2.08
Brady - 2.03
Romo - 1.99
Watson, Prescott - 1.98
Cousins - 1.93
Newton - 1.92
Wilson, Winston - 1.91
Herbert - 1.90
Warner - 1.82
Murray - 1.78
Big Ben, Rivers - 1.77
Stafford, Mayfield - 1.76
Favre, Goff - 1.75
Wentz, Tua - 1.71
Ryan - 1.68
Palmer - 1.67
Fitzgerald - 1.66
Dalton - 1.64
Tannehill - 1.61
Eli - 1.59
Carr - 1.56
Cutler - 1.54
McNabb - 1.52
Vick - 1.50
Flacco - 1.43
Hasselbeck - 1.38

Hurts is currently in distinguished company, so he is pacing as a HOFer on the TD production front. However, he's started about a quarter to a third of the games of the other long-term starters and future HOFers on the list. Most QBs will see their production drop compared to their primes. Maybe Hurts will start trading rushing TD for passing TD as he enters his 30s. He also is still pretty young, so he may have another level to get to productivity wise.

I think counting total TDs is the way things are trending. Reporting is already doing this. You'll see a crawl that reads something like "Player X 21 total TDs so far". For NFL/HOF purposes, this makes sense to me.

It'll be interesting to see if/how fantasy leagues may adjust their scoring in the future.

 

[oldmanhawkins]

I see that this thread has not progressed much since my one week absence. Since I couldn't get my football fix at FBGs, I resorted to talking to ChatGPT.

I thought I would share my conversation with all of you. In fact, I sure hope @JoeBryant reads this so he can understand why my comment was nowhere near ban-worthy.

OldManHawkins asked: Why do people try to minimize Jalen Hurts as a Quarterback just because he is also good at running the football?

ChatGPT said:​

People often try to minimize Jalen Hurts as a quarterback because of lingering biases in how the quarterback position is traditionally viewed. Here are the main reasons behind this mindset:

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1.​

Historically, the quarterback has been seen as a "pure passer" — a pocket-based, cerebral player who wins with arm talent and decision-making. Players who rely heavily on mobility or running ability have often been unfairly labeled as:

• “Athletes playing quarterback” instead of true quarterbacks
• Lacking the "mental game" or "passing precision"

This stereotype has especially affected Black quarterbacks like Hurts, Lamar Jackson, and others, who are often scrutinized more harshly than their white counterparts for similar styles.

---

2.​

When quarterbacks like Josh Allen or even early-career Andrew Luck used their legs, they were often praised for being "tough" or "versatile." But dual-threat QBs like Hurts or Jackson often get framed as dependent on their legs — as if running is a weakness rather than an added strength.

---

3.​

The NFL has evolved. Offensive systems now integrate quarterback mobility as a weapon:

• Zone reads, RPOs (run-pass options), and designed QB runs are part of elite offenses.
• Hurts' skill set is not just a crutch, it's a cornerstone of the Eagles’ entire offensive identity.

Critics who cling to old-school ideals often fail to appreciate how much decision-making, intelligence, and timing these modern systems demand.

---

4.​

Passing yards and passing TDs are still the primary stats many people use to evaluate quarterbacks. Hurts' full impact — including his rushing touchdowns, ability to extend plays, and control of the game — doesn't always show up in traditional box scores.

---

5.​

Hurts came into the league with questions about whether he could "really throw at the NFL level." His rapid development — from college transfer to MVP runner-up — has forced people to rethink what a franchise QB looks like. That discomfort can turn into minimizing his achievements to preserve old narratives.

---

Bottom Line:​

Jalen Hurts is a quarterback — a smart, physically dominant, and disciplined leader — who just happens to be elite at running the football, too. The game has changed, and players like Hurts are redefining the position. The people who downplay his success are often clinging to an outdated version of what a quarterback should be, instead of embracing what a quarterback can be.

Would you like some quotes or stats to support this perspective?

OldManHawkins said: Yes, some quotes would be helpful!​

ChatGPT said:
Absolutely — here are notable quotes that support and reinforce Jalen Hurts’ legitimacy and excellence as a quarterback, especially in the face of criticism about his dual-threat style:

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​

1. Louis Riddick (ESPN Analyst, Former NFL Scout):​

"Jalen Hurts is not a system quarterback — he’s the system. The Eagles’ offense flows through his decision-making, toughness, and leadership. His ability to hurt you with both his arm and legs makes him one of the most dangerous players in football."

2. Kurt Warner (Hall of Fame QB):​

"People always say, ‘Well, he runs the ball a lot.’ But watch how he commands the pocket, how quickly he processes. That’s quarterback play. Hurts plays the position the right way — and that’s what matters."

3. Dan Orlovsky (ESPN):​

"If you're still questioning whether Jalen Hurts can throw the football, you haven’t been watching. The accuracy, the anticipation, the reads — he’s grown every single year. That’s a franchise QB."

 

[packdog]

A super bowl champion and consistent winner who most glaringly made the tush push famous? Of course he's on track for the HoF. He put his stamp on his era already by winning and making the other teams seethe cause he's the best at the famous/infamous tush push.

 

[Gatorade]

Also I might be subconsciously posting about Eli in part to get the Eagles & Cowboys fans to bond over their mutual hatred of the Giants. I’m all about community like that.

Is kind of hard to beat the Giants down any further

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

I see that this thread has not progressed much since my one week absence. Since I couldn't get my football fix at FBGs, I resorted to talking to ChatGPT.

I thought I would share my conversation with all of you. In fact, I sure hope @JoeBryant reads this so he can understand why my comment was nowhere near ban-worthy.

OldManHawkins asked: Why do people try to minimize Jalen Hurts as a Quarterback just because he is also good at running the football?

ChatGPT said:​

People often try to minimize Jalen Hurts as a quarterback because of lingering biases in how the quarterback position is traditionally viewed. Here are the main reasons behind this mindset:

---

1.​

Historically, the quarterback has been seen as a "pure passer" — a pocket-based, cerebral player who wins with arm talent and decision-making. Players who rely heavily on mobility or running ability have often been unfairly labeled as:

• “Athletes playing quarterback” instead of true quarterbacks
• Lacking the "mental game" or "passing precision"

This stereotype has especially affected Black quarterbacks like Hurts, Lamar Jackson, and others, who are often scrutinized more harshly than their white counterparts for similar styles.

---

2.​

When quarterbacks like Josh Allen or even early-career Andrew Luck used their legs, they were often praised for being "tough" or "versatile." But dual-threat QBs like Hurts or Jackson often get framed as dependent on their legs — as if running is a weakness rather than an added strength.

---

3.​

The NFL has evolved. Offensive systems now integrate quarterback mobility as a weapon:

• Zone reads, RPOs (run-pass options), and designed QB runs are part of elite offenses.
• Hurts' skill set is not just a crutch, it's a cornerstone of the Eagles’ entire offensive identity.

Critics who cling to old-school ideals often fail to appreciate how much decision-making, intelligence, and timing these modern systems demand.

---

4.​

Passing yards and passing TDs are still the primary stats many people use to evaluate quarterbacks. Hurts' full impact — including his rushing touchdowns, ability to extend plays, and control of the game — doesn't always show up in traditional box scores.

---

5.​

Hurts came into the league with questions about whether he could "really throw at the NFL level." His rapid development — from college transfer to MVP runner-up — has forced people to rethink what a franchise QB looks like. That discomfort can turn into minimizing his achievements to preserve old narratives.

---

Bottom Line:​

Jalen Hurts is a quarterback — a smart, physically dominant, and disciplined leader — who just happens to be elite at running the football, too. The game has changed, and players like Hurts are redefining the position. The people who downplay his success are often clinging to an outdated version of what a quarterback should be, instead of embracing what a quarterback can be.

Would you like some quotes or stats to support this perspective?

OldManHawkins said: Yes, some quotes would be helpful!​

ChatGPT said:​

Absolutely — here are notable quotes that support and reinforce Jalen Hurts’ legitimacy and excellence as a quarterback, especially in the face of criticism about his dual-threat style:​

​

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1. Louis Riddick (ESPN Analyst, Former NFL Scout):​

"Jalen Hurts is not a system quarterback — he’s the system. The Eagles’ offense flows through his decision-making, toughness, and leadership. His ability to hurt you with both his arm and legs makes him one of the most dangerous players in football."

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2. Kurt Warner (Hall of Fame QB):​

"People always say, ‘Well, he runs the ball a lot.’ But watch how he commands the pocket, how quickly he processes. That’s quarterback play. Hurts plays the position the right way — and that’s what matters."

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3. Dan Orlovsky (ESPN):​

"If you're still questioning whether Jalen Hurts can throw the football, you haven’t been watching. The accuracy, the anticipation, the reads — he’s grown every single year. That’s a franchise QB."

This is wack. ChatGPT perpetuating racist, stereotypes, and essentially calling people who disagree racist- is gross.

All comments directed at Hurts can be directly applied to Josh Allen so miss me with the racist nonsense.

None of that were your actual thoughts so why do I care what the computer spit out for you?

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

It’s a philosophical difference and that’s it. Some people like power backs (M.Lynch) some people like shifty receiving backs (Reggie Bush).

You can win with both but give me the guy who has been relying on his arm talent his entire development over the guy who runs when things get sticky.

 

[Joe Bryant]

This is wack. ChatGPT perpetuating racist, stereotypes, and essentially calling people who disagree racist- is gross.

All comments directed at Hurts can be directly applied to Josh Allen so miss me with the racist nonsense.

Thanks. Let's continue to keep this on football.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

This is wack. ChatGPT perpetuating racist, stereotypes, and essentially calling people who disagree racist- is gross.

All comments directed at Hurts can be directly applied to Josh Allen so miss me with the racist nonsense.

Thanks. Let's continue to keep this on football.

Fair - but Seeing how this is going to be an ongoing issue (people using ChatGPT) how do I combat somebody’s opinion that they didn’t form on their own?

ETA - Calling it “wack” = ChatGPT, not the poster.

 

[Snotbubbles]

It’s a philosophical difference and that’s it. Some people like power backs (M.Lynch) some people like shifty receiving backs (Reggie Bush).

You can win with both but give me the guy who has been relying on his arm talent his entire development over the guy who runs when things get sticky.

Just curious, so if we time traveled you back to the 2020 draft and you got the 5th pick, which QB are you taking?

Here's who was still available: Tua Tagovailoa, Justin Herbert, Jordan Love, Jalen Hurts, Jacob Eason, James Morgan, Jake Fromm, Jake Luton, Cole McDonald, Ben DiNucci, Tommy Stevens and Nate Stanley

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

It’s a philosophical difference and that’s it. Some people like power backs (M.Lynch) some people like shifty receiving backs (Reggie Bush).

You can win with both but give me the guy who has been relying on his arm talent his entire development over the guy who runs when things get sticky.

Just curious, so if we time traveled you back to the 2020 draft and you got the 5th pick, which QB are you taking?

Here's who was still available: Tua Tagovailoa, Justin Herbert, Jordan Love, Jalen Hurts, Jacob Eason, James Morgan, Jake Fromm, Jake Luton, Cole McDonald, Ben DiNucci, Tommy Stevens and Nate Stanley

None of them. (I have been consistent on Herbert, every time I see him play. He stinks.)

ETA - Tristan Wirfs

I never take offensive (skill players) in round 1. (Unless it’s Randy Moss)

OL, DL, CB, LB, in that order of preference.

My focus is offensive line, clock management, strong, running game and great defense. Making your team an offensive powerhouse is the quickest way to inflate your team salaries and lose talent.

I realize that I am an outlier, but mimicking what everyone else is doing is how you end up being average. I want to be great and you have to think differently than everyone else .

 

[Snotbubbles]

It’s a philosophical difference and that’s it. Some people like power backs (M.Lynch) some people like shifty receiving backs (Reggie Bush).

You can win with both but give me the guy who has been relying on his arm talent his entire development over the guy who runs when things get sticky.

Just curious, so if we time traveled you back to the 2020 draft and you got the 5th pick, which QB are you taking?

Here's who was still available: Tua Tagovailoa, Justin Herbert, Jordan Love, Jalen Hurts, Jacob Eason, James Morgan, Jake Fromm, Jake Luton, Cole McDonald, Ben DiNucci, Tommy Stevens and Nate Stanley

None of them. (I have been consistent on Herbert, every time I see him play. He stinks.)

ETA - Tristan Wirfs

I never take offensive (skill players) in round 1. (Unless it’s Randy Moss)

OL, DL, CB, LB, in that order of preference.

My focus is offensive line, clock management, strong, running game and great defense. Making your team an offensive powerhouse is the quickest way to inflate your team salaries and lose talent.

I realize that I am an outlier, but mimicking what everyone else is doing is how you end up being average. I want to be great and you have to think differently than everyone else .

Understood, I operate under the same philosophy. However, its really team dependent. The Eagles, for example, Tristan Wirfs doesn't really do much for them since they already have/had bookend tackles.

 

[Tau837]

When I clicked on this thread today, it took me into middle of page 2. I had a hard time getting through that page only to realize there were 5 more pages. I jumped to page 7, and it was largely more of the same unreadable junk. There could have been an interesting topic here, but a lot of you made it unreadable.

 

[ChicoCat]

Just something I have been thinking about since the Tush Push got a reprieve yesterday.

Currently is at 55 for his career, just starting for 4 seasons fully.

Cam Newton has the most with 75

Josh Allen is at 65 but thats with exactly 2 more seasons worth of games played at 34 more.

Currently 10 Running backs have 100+ rushing touchdowns and every single one other than Shaun Alexander is in the HOF.

High winning %

2 Super Bowls, 1 Win and Couting

1 Super Bowl MVP and counting

After this season he should be close to 70 rushing touchdowns, based off the past 3 seasons with the TP.

Am I crazy?

He's sitting at 85 passing TDs. If he gets 20 a year for the next 9 years....that gives him 265 which would put him at 21st all time passing TDs.

If he gets to 100 Rushing TDS..... that would put him at 26 in the All-Time TD Leaders(rushing/receiving).

If he keeps being the leader of a competitive football team, makes a couple or more deep playoff runs and gets his counting stats up a little (particularly the passing). He should get in. Top career 20 in passing TDs and Rushing/Receiving TDS along with personal and team glory is a HOF resume. His only problem is that there's 2 QBs in the league (Allen and Jackson) who do what he does better and he would get compared to them and if they win Super Bowls, then he loses a little bit of his luster. That would put him in a situation similar to retired Eagles Fletcher Cox who (IMO) has a Hall of Fame resume....but he just can't hold a candle to Aaron Donald. Is it fair to judge a player more negatively simply because he played in an era with a true generational player?

 

[Uruk-Hai]

Is it fair to judge a player more negatively simply because he played in an era with a true generational player?

No