If Matt Flynn were the Packers qb this season (1 Viewer)

[Dr. Awesome]

Fairly simple question. If Aaron Rodgers broke his leg in the preseason and Flynn played the entire regular season for the Green and Gold what would their record be?

 

[Kitrick Taylor]

Having watched the entirety of both of Matt Flynn's real NFL starts, count me in as a believer. I voted 11-5 though because I have not seen anyone as accurate as Aaron Rodgers was for the first 11 weeks of this year. Add in a shaky defense, and I think they are still a very good team, just not what they were.

For the record, if Flynn goes to a team running the WCO, he'll be money. All bets are off otherwise. Give him real talented pass catchers in a WCO, and he'll be making a lot of people regret selling him now.

 

[scrumptrulescent]

A few people getting a little too excited based on his game against the Lions. 5-11. Rodgers makes them all look good.

 

[Jeremy]

I would guess 9-7 or 10-6. I think there's a bigger difference between Rodgers and Flynn then people realize. Flynn doesn't have the arm and athleticism that Rodgers has, nor the experience. People forget that Flynn turned the ball over twice in that Lions game that lead to 14 quick points. Part of the reason he had 6TDs was because his earlier mistakes made that necessary. By contrast, the week before against the Bears Rodgers didn't turn it over at all, threw for 5 TDs and was out of the game by the end of the 3rd quarter with a big lead.

One of the more underappreciated aspects of Rodgers' MVP season was that he only turned the ball over 6 times. I think Flynn would have more than doubled that number and the Packers defense isn't good enough to make up for mistakes by the offense.

Also there were times when the offensive line was struggling this season, and I doubt Flynn would have overcome that as well as Rodgers. Rodgers is excellent at escaping pressure and making plays.

 

[sho nuff]

9-7...maybe 10-6 at best.

And I think those are pretty generous.

The 2 votes (15-1 and 16-0 are either delusional or just blatant fishing). Given the OP...Im going with fishing.

Cue Dr. A posting a comment on my profile again here.

 

[The Hank]

11-5

Flynn is good but that defense can get gashed sometimes.

Rodgers pulled some games out that I dont think Flynn would've

 

[Multiple Scores]

I just hope these Packer fans who think the Packers would go from 15 wins down 5+ games don't also expect to get anything for Flynn in a trade although I'm sure they will.

How about them apples Sho and Scrump?

 

[Dr. Awesome]

sho nuff I don't know what your obsession with me is but please take your trollbait elsewhere. I know you always have to get the last word in any argument so go ahead and make your response. I won't respond to it because there are actually Packer threads that aren't all about you and I won't feed your disturbing need to hijack things.

I'll save us both time and mention your material: profile comments, :e: buddies, and fishing because someone disagrees with you.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Flynn has shown that Aaron Rodgers is a system QB, he likely is the guy that 23 teams passed on and in the modern NFL you can be a system guy and cruise thru the NFL schedule as teams have been watered down and brought to "medium" in the middle so everyone can compete which means I think Green Bay still would have won 12-13 games with Flynn easily, maybe they could have gone undefeated with him just like Miami did in 1972 when Earl Morrall took over for Bob Griese and played for much of the season.

 

[Phlash]

13-3.

The difference between Aaron Rodgers & Flynn is much less than the difference between Tom Brady and Matt Cassel, the only situation I can recall that is similar and happened in recent memory.

 

[scrumptrulescent]

I just hope these Packer fans who think the Packers would go from 15 wins down 5+ games don't also expect to get anything for Flynn in a trade although I'm sure they will. How about them apples Sho and Scrump?

I believe Rodgers makes that team look a lot better than they are. I scoff at the system QB talk. I voted 5-11 for Flynn but hope to get something out of him. Why wouldn't I? Philly got a 2nd and player for Kevin Freaking Kolb.

 

[Reepicheep]

I just hope these Packer fans who think the Packers would go from 15 wins down 5+ games don't also expect to get anything for Flynn in a trade although I'm sure they will. How about them apples Sho and Scrump?

I would say that if a QB in his first season as a starter could be 5 wins worse than one of the best QB seasons of all time, then he would command a fairly high trade value. See: Cassel, Matt

 

[sho nuff]

I just hope these Packer fans who think the Packers would go from 15 wins down 5+ games don't also expect to get anything for Flynn in a trade although I'm sure they will. How about them apples Sho and Scrump?

He is a free agent.So they won't get anything for him other than whatever the new CBA gives in compensatory picks.

 

[sho nuff]

sho nuff I don't know what your obsession with me is but please take your trollbait elsewhere. I know you always have to get the last word in any argument so go ahead and make your response. I won't respond to it because there are actually Packer threads that aren't all about you and I won't feed your disturbing need to hijack things. I'll save us both time and mention your material: profile comments, :e: buddies, and fishing because someone disagrees with you.

My material is 100% accurate, and right on cue you posted a comment to my profile.Grow up.

 

[sho nuff]

Flynn has shown that Aaron Rodgers is a system QB, he likely is the guy that 23 teams passed on and in the modern NFL you can be a system guy and cruise thru the NFL schedule as teams have been watered down and brought to "medium" in the middle so everyone can compete which means I think Green Bay still would have won 12-13 games with Flynn easily, maybe they could have gone undefeated with him just like Miami did in 1972 when Earl Morrall took over for Bob Griese and played for much of the season.

 

[Modog814]

13-3.The difference between Aaron Rodgers & Flynn is much less than the difference between Tom Brady and Matt Cassel, the only situation I can recall that is similar and happened in recent memory.

I voted 12-4 considering I thought their schedule was in the bottom half of the league in terms of difficulty.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I just hope these Packer fans who think the Packers would go from 15 wins down 5+ games don't also expect to get anything for Flynn in a trade although I'm sure they will. How about them apples Sho and Scrump?

I would say that if a QB in his first season as a starter could be 5 wins worse than one of the best QB seasons of all time, then he would command a fairly high trade value. See: Cassel, Matt

Free agent

 

[Dr. Awesome]

sho nuff I don't know what your obsession with me is but please take your trollbait elsewhere. I know you always have to get the last word in any argument so go ahead and make your response. I won't respond to it because there are actually Packer threads that aren't all about you and I won't feed your disturbing need to hijack things. I'll save us both time and mention your material: profile comments, :e: buddies, and fishing because someone disagrees with you.

My material is 100% accurate, and right on cue you posted a comment to my profile.Grow up.

I know I said I wasn't going to respond to your trolling but now you're just posting some total lies. Seriously, wtf? I know I've disagreed with some of your outlandish statements in the past but that was just calling you out for making ridiculous homerific statements (understandable - we all get carried away with our team sometimes). It's nothing personal. Whatever beef you seem to think there is between us doesn't exist. At least not on my end.

 

[sho nuff]

sho nuff I don't know what your obsession with me is but please take your trollbait elsewhere. I know you always have to get the last word in any argument so go ahead and make your response. I won't respond to it because there are actually Packer threads that aren't all about you and I won't feed your disturbing need to hijack things. I'll save us both time and mention your material: profile comments, :e: buddies, and fishing because someone disagrees with you.

My material is 100% accurate, and right on cue you posted a comment to my profile.Grow up.

I know I said I wasn't going to respond to your trolling but now you're just posting some total lies. Seriously, wtf? I know I've disagreed with some of your outlandish statements in the past but that was just calling you out for making ridiculous homerific statements (understandable - we all get carried away with our team sometimes). It's nothing personal. Whatever beef you seem to think there is between us doesn't exist. At least not on my end.

No lies at all.Grow up.And I don't think this needs to be in the topic...even a topic this ridiculous.

 

[scrumptrulescent]

I just hope these Packer fans who think the Packers would go from 15 wins down 5+ games don't also expect to get anything for Flynn in a trade although I'm sure they will. How about them apples Sho and Scrump?

I would say that if a QB in his first season as a starter could be 5 wins worse than one of the best QB seasons of all time, then he would command a fairly high trade value. See: Cassel, Matt

Free agent

Why is it out of the question that they franchise, then trade him?

 

[Modog814]

Flynn has shown that Aaron Rodgers is a system QB, he likely is the guy that 23 teams passed on and in the modern NFL you can be a system guy and cruise thru the NFL schedule as teams have been watered down and brought to "medium" in the middle so everyone can compete which means I think Green Bay still would have won 12-13 games with Flynn easily, maybe they could have gone undefeated with him just like Miami did in 1972 when Earl Morrall took over for Bob Griese and played for much of the season.

I kind of agree with this. I mean, Rodgers is better than a pure system QB, he throws one of the best back shoulder throws in the league, but I do think a lot of his stats come from plays where pretty much any top 10-15 QB in the league could make the same throw. 2 cases:1) Brady goes down and Cassel comes in and puts up very good numbers. Not Brady numbers, but good.2) Peyton goes down and no one can fill his shoes...I think if Rodgers went down, you'd get the first case, not the 2nd. I think people will take being called a "sytem QB" a bad thing, but it's not. It's the hand they were dealt, and both Brady and Rodgers have excelled in it. It's not to say that they wouldn't be equally great as a "non-system QB"

 

[Reepicheep]

I just hope these Packer fans who think the Packers would go from 15 wins down 5+ games don't also expect to get anything for Flynn in a trade although I'm sure they will. How about them apples Sho and Scrump?

I would say that if a QB in his first season as a starter could be 5 wins worse than one of the best QB seasons of all time, then he would command a fairly high trade value. See: Cassel, Matt

Free agent

See: Cassel, Matt

 

[sho nuff]

I just hope these Packer fans who think the Packers would go from 15 wins down 5+ games don't also expect to get anything for Flynn in a trade although I'm sure they will. How about them apples Sho and Scrump?

I would say that if a QB in his first season as a starter could be 5 wins worse than one of the best QB seasons of all time, then he would command a fairly high trade value. See: Cassel, Matt

Free agent

Why is it out of the question that they franchise, then trade him?

Franchise him?Not going to risk being stuck with him at that price.Sign and trade is possible.But my guess is they save the franchise tag for Finley and let Flynn just walk for "nothing".

 

[zDragon]

Flynn has shown that Aaron Rodgers is a system QB, he likely is the guy that 23 teams passed on and in the modern NFL you can be a system guy and cruise thru the NFL schedule as teams have been watered down and brought to "medium" in the middle so everyone can compete which means I think Green Bay still would have won 12-13 games with Flynn easily, maybe they could have gone undefeated with him just like Miami did in 1972 when Earl Morrall took over for Bob Griese and played for much of the season.

 

[Reepicheep]

Guys seriously?

 

[Sarnoff]

Flynn has shown that Aaron Rodgers is a system QB, he likely is the guy that 23 teams passed on and in the modern NFL you can be a system guy and cruise thru the NFL schedule as teams have been watered down and brought to "medium" in the middle so everyone can compete which means I think Green Bay still would have won 12-13 games with Flynn easily, maybe they could have gone undefeated with him just like Miami did in 1972 when Earl Morrall took over for Bob Griese and played for much of the season.

If Flynn was the starting QB, there wouldn't have been the "We're gonna go undefeated" talk that ended up being a huge BACKFIRE for their perfect season quest. They definitely wouldn't have been providing bulletin-board material to other teams, and they wouldn't have been caught looking past their next few opponents and losing to a crappy team like the Chefs.

 

[Dr. Awesome]

And I don't think this needs to be in the topic...even a topic this ridiculous.

This is a legitimate topic. A lot of people think Flynn is either a system qb (like Kolb) or he's the next very good/great backup turned starter (Schaub). If you don't think that's worth discussing you're welcome to ignore this thread and troll elsewhere. Some of us are interested in trying to separate Matt Flynn's talent from the Packer situation.

 

[scrumptrulescent]

Now go run back to your buddies at FF Today and tell them how good you're trolling the Pool

Meh.....I post at both sites. FF Today's board isn't all that different from this one, except there's a whole lot more posters on this board who take themselves entirely too seriously.

 

[sho nuff]

And I don't think this needs to be in the topic...even a topic this ridiculous.

This is a legitimate topic. A lot of people think Flynn is either a system qb (like Kolb) or he's the next very good/great backup turned starter (Schaub). If you don't think that's worth discussing you're welcome to ignore this thread and troll elsewhere. Some of us are interested in trying to separate Matt Flynn's talent from the Packer situation.

Its legit if someone wants to treat it as such.Given several of the posts in here...its obvious most just want to fish for responses and its obvious to everyone.Nice try in spinning it to be me "trolling".

 

[sho nuff]

Who is fishing/trolling? I started this thread by writing:

Fairly simple question. If Aaron Rodgers broke his leg in the preseason and Flynn played the entire regular season for the Green and Gold what would their record be?

Then you popped in and started screaming about everyone being out to get you and this being a giant fishing trip. One Packer fan said he felt the team would be below .500. The future staffer and Shark Pool asset MoP claimed Rodgers might be more of a system qb than people realize. Even YOU said the team would be 9-7. I voted this team would be 7-9. Is that difference so large you need to throw a hissy fit?

Given the posts over the last few weeks from you (and the trolling going on this from 2 others), I have posted on topic except when attacked (though, I did lob a jab your way and you did not disappoint as not long after it posted, I had a comment posted to my profile).And given that you and at least one other in here have admitted elsewhere to fishing me and a few other Packer fans its a logical conclusion.As for MOP, I find his position on Rodgers laughable. As would nearly any analyst who actually makes a living watching and discussing football.And Id suspect any coach you would talk to would say the same.Rodgers does things and makes throws that "system" QBs (defined as a guy who can only play in a certain system to succeed) just don't make.Yes, I said the team would be 9-7 and that I was being generous.I don't believe I threw any hissy fit whatsoever...just the hunch (and I know Im dead on correct) that this post by you is yet another fishing attempt. So you can all laugh that you got me to respond yet again.So I say...grow up.Get your little buddies to grow up. Maybe then you can be invovled in a legit conversation.Til then, I will treat you and a few others for what you are and respond accordingly.

 

[Dr. Awesome]

So let me get this straight. I start a perfectly legitimate topic and sho nuff openly admits to coming in here and throwing jabs in my direction just to get a rise out of me and hijack this thread? That kind of crap doesn't belong in the Shark Pool. I don't generally believe in the report button but I've used it here.

 

[zDragon]

And I don't think this needs to be in the topic...even a topic this ridiculous.

This is a legitimate topic. A lot of people think Flynn is either a system qb (like Kolb) or he's the next very good/great backup turned starter (Schaub). If you don't think that's worth discussing you're welcome to ignore this thread and troll elsewhere. Some of us are interested in trying to separate Matt Flynn's talent from the Packer situation.

Its legit if someone wants to treat it as such.Given several of the posts in here...its obvious most just want to fish for responses and its obvious to everyone.Nice try in spinning it to be me "trolling".

Who is fishing/trolling? I started this thread by writing:

Fairly simple question. If Aaron Rodgers broke his leg in the preseason and Flynn played the entire regular season for the Green and Gold what would their record be?

Then you popped in and started screaming about everyone being out to get you and this being a giant fishing trip. One Packer fan said he felt the team would be below .500. The future staffer and Shark Pool asset MoP claimed Rodgers might be more of a system qb than people realize. Even YOU said the team would be 9-7. I voted this team would be 7-9. Is that difference so large you need to throw a hissy fit?

Let it drop. He ruins every thread he posts in.I think the system is good and made Flynn look a lot better than he is. I could see 9-10 wins. I think you will have the Cassell effect when/if another team picks him up.

 

[omally]

Flynn has shown that Aaron Rodgers is a system QB, he likely is the guy that 23 teams passed on and in the modern NFL you can be a system guy and cruise thru the NFL schedule as teams have been watered down and brought to "medium" in the middle so everyone can compete which means I think Green Bay still would have won 12-13 games with Flynn easily, maybe they could have gone undefeated with him just like Miami did in 1972 when Earl Morrall took over for Bob Griese and played for much of the season.

 

[Jeremy]

And I don't think this needs to be in the topic...even a topic this ridiculous.

A lot of people think Flynn is either a system qb (like Kolb) or he's the next very good/great backup turned starter (Schaub). Some of us are interested in trying to separate Matt Flynn's talent from the Packer situation.

I think Flynn will end up being to Rodgers what Hasselbeck and Brunell were to Favre. Kind of watered down versions of the original. I think he'll have a nice career as a starter, but that's just my 2 bit opinion.

 

[MaxThreshold]

Are we really discussing this again? This was settled in the other thread(s) with a serious forum beat down of those who brought up the System QB argument.

Everyone - prepare for LUDICROUS speed!

 

[moderated]

6-10 or 7-9, without rodgers the packers would be struggling to hover around .500.

 

[sho nuff]

So let me get this straight. I start a perfectly legitimate topic and sho nuff openly admits to coming in here and throwing jabs in my direction just to get a rise out of me and hijack this thread? That kind of crap doesn't belong in the Shark Pool. I don't generally believe in the report button but I've used it here.

I admitted I did it just to get a rise out of you and hijack?Your lies are amusing.

 

[Dr. Awesome]

I have posted on topic except when attacked (though, I did lob a jab your way

I admitted I did it just to get a rise out of you and hijack?

Your lies are amusing.

Why else are you lobbing jabs? Do you think it's a coincidence several posters here have said you regularly troll and ruin threads you post in? Are we all out to get you? Is it everyone else but you that is the common thread?

 

[Multiple Scores]

So let me get this straight. I start a perfectly legitimate topic and sho nuff openly admits to coming in here and throwing jabs in my direction just to get a rise out of me and hijack this thread? That kind of crap doesn't belong in the Shark Pool. I don't generally believe in the report button but I've used it here.

I admitted I did it just to get a rise out of you and hijack?Your lies are amusing.

Such a cute and cuddly troll.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

Flynn has shown that Aaron Rodgers is a system QB, he likely is the guy that 23 teams passed on and in the modern NFL you can be a system guy and cruise thru the NFL schedule as teams have been watered down and brought to "medium" in the middle so everyone can compete which means I think Green Bay still would have won 12-13 games with Flynn easily, maybe they could have gone undefeated with him just like Miami did in 1972 when Earl Morrall took over for Bob Griese and played for much of the season.

I kind of agree with this. I mean, Rodgers is better than a pure system QB, he throws one of the best back shoulder throws in the league, but I do think a lot of his stats come from plays where pretty much any top 10-15 QB in the league could make the same throw. 2 cases:1) Brady goes down and Cassel comes in and puts up very good numbers. Not Brady numbers, but good.2) Peyton goes down and no one can fill his shoes...I think if Rodgers went down, you'd get the first case, not the 2nd. I think people will take being called a "sytem QB" a bad thing, but it's not. It's the hand they were dealt, and both Brady and Rodgers have excelled in it. It's not to say that they wouldn't be equally great as a "non-system QB"

This was my point of the other thread...but I got labeled just because i'm a bears fan. Nice to see I wasn't alone in my opinion.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

Are we really discussing this again? This was settled in the other thread(s) with a serious forum beat down of those who brought up the System QB argument.Everyone - prepare for LUDICROUS speed!

Did you look at the Scoreboard?Did Matt Flynn's performance hurt Rodgers MVP case? yes=76, no=87Do the Packers have a distinct advantage in talent/scheme to make it QB friendly? y=92, n=71All that thread proved is that some Packers fans are blinded and must have the last word, even when the poll says it's possible.

 

[Balco]

I would guess 9-7. I like Flynn as a qb, but he would take some lumps. D not as good this year.

Rodgers is that good.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

i'm a bears fan.

 

[MaxThreshold]

Are we really discussing this again? This was settled in the other thread(s) with a serious forum beat down of those who brought up the System QB argument.

Everyone - prepare for LUDICROUS speed!

Did you look at the Scoreboard?Did Matt Flynn's performance hurt Rodgers MVP case? yes=76, no=87

Do the Packers have a distinct advantage in talent/scheme to make it QB friendly? y=92, n=71

All that thread proved is that some Packers fans are blinded and must have the last word, even when the poll says it's possible.

If Rodgers is a "System QB", then all QBs are system QBs. Some are just better at it (Rodgers) than others (Cutler).

Forget the fact that Aaron Rodgers throws the best-looking ball in the NFL. Forget that he makes the back-shoulder throw look easy. Forget that fact that backup Matt Flynn, you know, might actually be good. Forget the fact that the Detroit Lions secondary isn't terribly good.

None of that matters.

Flynn's record-setting performance against the Lions on Sunday, where he threw for 480 yards and six touchdowns, has caused some people to suggest Rodgers is a system quarterback. Frankly, those people aren't anyone whose opinion we respect, so we're not real concerned about their idiotic assumptions. They aren't actually going to influence anyone who knows anything about football.

Most of the blather is coming from message boards and of course, some no-talent idiot at Bleacher Report brought it up. At least one supposedly "real" journalist actually suggested the possibility, though.

Frankly, every quarterback plays in a system. Not all of them are successful. Surely, some systems probably work better than others, but the fact of the matter is the Packers have superior talent on offense when compared to most teams. Rodgers, because of the throws he can make, is one of those talents.

Saying Rodgers is a system quarterback is like saying Tom Brady is a system quarterback, which we don't recall anyone saying. When Brady went down in 2008, Matt Cassell, who wasn't even a starter at USC, came in and threw for 3,693 yards.

Does that make Brady any less of a quarterback? Does that make him a product of that system?

No. His record speaks for itself. He's outstanding year in and year out. He carries his team when he needs to. He's a three-time champion and two-time Super Bowl MVP. Enough said.

Rodgers doesn't have that resume yet, but we'd be willing to bet he will soon.

What happened on Sunday was the result of four years of development. Flynn has worked with Rodgers and coach Mike McCarthy to make himself into a starting-caliber NFL quarterback. He's smart, he works hard and he takes preparation seriously.

While Flynn's performance may have been somewhat surprising, we don't know anyone in the Packers organization or in the fan base that didn't think he'd go out and lead the Packers to a win on Sunday. And it's not because of the system.

It's because Flynn is good and the Packers are that deep.

The Green Bay Packers backup quarterback thrashed the Lions on Sunday, just like their starter would have done. The system didn't do anything.

 

[Multiple Scores]

Max, you give Packer fans a bad rep.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Are we really discussing this again? This was settled in the other thread(s) with a serious forum beat down of those who brought up the System QB argument.Everyone - prepare for LUDICROUS speed!

 

[Carolina Hustler]

So let me get this straight. I start a perfectly legitimate topic and sho nuff openly admits to coming in here and throwing jabs in my direction just to get a rise out of me and hijack this thread? That kind of crap doesn't belong in the Shark Pool. I don't generally believe in the report button but I've used it here.

I admitted I did it just to get a rise out of you and hijack?Your lies are amusing.

Why do you keep posting in a "ridiculous thread" Full of "Ridiculous posts".. ??Only 1 sure conclusion...

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Max, you give Packer fans a bad rep.

It's funny to see how serious sho-nuff gets, and how easily he gets wound up. But he actually brings content and amusement to the forum.I have yet to see 1 post by Max that I wouldn't have been embarrassed to post myself.. And everyone here knows I don't embarrass easy..

 

[MaxThreshold]

Max, you give Packer fans a bad rep.

Negative. I'm easy like Sunday morning, my friend. Easy like Sunday Morning...yeah.

 

[MaxThreshold]

Max, you give Packer fans a bad rep.

It's funny to see how serious sho-nuff gets, and how easily he gets wound up. But he actually brings content and amusement to the forum.I have yet to see 1 post by Max that I wouldn't have been embarrassed to post myself.. And everyone here knows I don't embarrass easy..

Oh for fooks sake, you're such a drama queen and so full of BS. You act like you're the expert when you're nothing but a insignificant voice on a message board. You're kids might buy into your BS, but no one else does.