If the Raiders do not take Vince Young (1 Viewer)

[Ministry of Pain]

He's very unpolished, makes plays with his legs and will need to make them with his arm in the NFL.

If your a UT fan please spare us the homerism that he's gonna be the next Randal Cunningham in the NFL or even better. he has not thrown in a pro style offense and I think he's a major project. Projects are not usually what teams are looking for with the 1st 10 picks int he draft...and after that I think most teams want to fill needs to either make the playoffs or take it a step further to make a Super Bowl push.

I think the Raiders will make a major mistake taking this guy that early in the draft when they have so many glaring needs.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

I bet the Ravens would not let him get past 13.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

AAAAAARRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH!

I promised myself that if I opened one more VY thread, I'd scream.

I feel better now.

The answer to your question is, "absolutely not."

 

[TheLaw]

Arizona would take him.

 

[QuizGuy66]

yes, if he borrows Kellen Winslow's scooter...

 

[WhoDat]

I bet the Ravens would not let him get past 13.

I bet the Lions get a phone call from the Ravens should Young be on the board at 9. I do not see Young free falling into the second round. His abilities or lack thereof have been debated enough by us locals since January. You are either for or against Young as an NFL player. The potential return on the investment in Young is going to be far too much for teams to pass, opinion. Someone with an established starter, which is not necessarily a great starter but someone equipped to start at the NFL level; veteran coaching staff and patient ownership will take Young. It will be a team willing to shift the tradtional paradigm enough that an offense will be built for and around Young not vice versa and a 2-3 year plan will be mapped out. There will not be an immediate expectation to win; save the franchise and fill the stadium from team ownership and management.

 

[Bevo]

He's very unpolished, makes plays with his legs and will need to make them with his arm in the NFL.

If your a UT fan please spare us the homerism that he's gonna be the next Randal Cunningham in the NFL or even better. he has not thrown in a pro style offense and I think he's a major project. Projects are not usually what teams are looking for with the 1st 10 picks int he draft...and after that I think most teams want to fill needs to either make the playoffs or take it a step further to make a Super Bowl push.

I think the Raiders will make a major mistake taking this guy that early in the draft when they have so many glaring needs.

I will be willing to lay a healthy wager with you that he does not drop to the 2nd round. Let me know how flat you want your wallet to look after the NFL draft.

 

[Big Score]

Doubt Young slips all the way to the 2nd.

 

[Jason Wood]

I can think of no circumstance where Vince Young would fall into the 2nd barring a KWII-esque accident between now and the draft or some unexpected drug/criminal issue.

 

[cws3030]

if aaron rodgers didn't fall to the 2nd round there is absolutely no chance v.y. will

 

[Englishteacher]

He's very unpolished, makes plays with his legs and will need to make them with his arm in the NFL.

If your a UT fan please spare us the homerism that he's gonna be the next Randal Cunningham in the NFL or even better.  he has not thrown in a pro style offense and I think he's a major project.  Projects are not usually what teams are looking for with the 1st 10 picks int he draft...and after that I think most teams want to fill needs to either make the playoffs or take it a step further to make a Super Bowl push.

I think the Raiders will make a major mistake taking this guy that early in the draft when they have so many glaring needs.

I will be willing to lay a healthy wager with you that he does not drop to the 2nd round. Let me know how flat you want your wallet to look after the NFL draft.

Me too. I want in on some of that action although I'm not convinced entirely on Young by any means. So far, the only bankable NFL skill I'm sold on is of course his mobility. However, there's no way in Hades 32 guys are selected in front of him unless he develops a major blow habit or takes up Lacrosse with the Duke University team between now and the end of April.

 

[cstu]

Not getting past Denver at #15.

 

[Jason Wood]

if aaron rodgers didn't fall to the 2nd round there is absolutely no chance v.y. will

Also, guys like Jason Campbell, J.P. Losman and Patrick Ramsey were 1st rounders.

If Young falls past Oakland, I would be shocked if a few contending teams didn't clamor to move up for a chance to grab him and develop him. Also, Brad Childress spoke highly of the QB class and would definitely get aggressive over Young (and may still over Cutler when he falls) if he could move up IMHO.

 

[Capella]

I bet he goes undrafted.

 

[broncofan13000]

Not getting past Denver at #15.

agreed. i doubt he even makes it to 15

 

[redman]

He's this year's Matt Jones. He's not falling to the 2nd round.

 

[massraider]

If the Raiders can draft him in the second round, I heartily endorse this pick.

 

[Jason Wood]

He's this year's Matt Jones. He's not falling to the 2nd round.

White college QB with mediocre stats and subpar W-L record but off the charts measurables skyrockets up the charts because of a position change...

VS.

Black college QB with astoundingly good stats and a national title with off the charts measurables who starts at the top of the charts and, if anything is going to fall but a few picks

Not seeing the similarities?

 

[Capella]

He's this year's Matt Jones.  He's not falling to the 2nd round.

White college QB with mediocre stats and subpar W-L record but off the charts measurables skyrockets up the charts because of a position change...

VS.

Black college QB with astoundingly good stats and a national title with off the charts measurables who starts at the top of the charts and, if anything is going to fall but a few picks

Not seeing the similarities?

They both played in a hick state?

 

[Gatorman]

No way that teams let young fall. So many teams have a borderline #1 guy and so few even have a #2 that letting young fall is a really bad move. Miami with all their needs would take young if he was there @ 16. Even if the guy doesn't start this year, coaches will figure out wrinkles to get him on the field. After Bush, he is the most explosive player in the draft.

 

[mbuehner]

Everybody is sandbagging. There isnt a team in the league that wouldnt spend a 1st on VY or Matt Leinart, maybe not a top 3 pick but i dont think either guy gets far after that.

 

[KCC]

AAAAAARRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH!

I promised myself that if I opened one more VY thread, I'd scream.

I feel better now.

The answer to your question is, "absolutely not."

 

[Andy Dufresne]

He's this year's Matt Jones.  He's not falling to the 2nd round.

White college QB with mediocre stats and subpar W-L record but off the charts measurables skyrockets up the charts because of a position change...

VS.

Black college QB with astoundingly good stats and a national title with off the charts measurables who starts at the top of the charts and, if anything is going to fall but a few picks

Not seeing the similarities?

I think his point is that even if he didn't play QB, he'd be outstanding at another position. He's 1st round talent at just about any skill spot.

 

[Hawk]

He's very unpolished, makes plays with his legs and will need to make them with his arm in the NFL.

It's like I've been transported in a time machine to one year ago. This statement may have been true after his 2003 season and about half his 2004 season. But how can anyone still say this after his 2005 season? I'll buy the concerns that he didn't play in a pro style offense, but if you don't think he can make plays with his arm, then you must have been in a coma since August.And to state the obvious, Vince Young will NOT slip to the second round under any scenario unless he meets an untimely death or loses a limb before the draft.

Even Chris Mortensen, never a VY fan or supporter, said today that Vince may be the #1 QB in the draft.

 

[Da Guru]

He's very unpolished, makes plays with his legs and will need to make them with his arm in the NFL.

If your a UT fan please spare us the homerism that he's gonna be the next Randal Cunningham in the NFL or even better. he has not thrown in a pro style offense and I think he's a major project. Projects are not usually what teams are looking for with the 1st 10 picks int he draft...and after that I think most teams want to fill needs to either make the playoffs or take it a step further to make a Super Bowl push.

I think the Raiders will make a major mistake taking this guy that early in the draft when they have so many glaring needs.

Young may go undrafted like Timmy Chang did. Not many teams want to invest that much money in a project.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

if aaron rodgers didn't fall to the 2nd round there is absolutely no chance v.y. will

Aaron Rodgers was a much more accomplished QB coming out of college and can make throws necesary.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

if aaron rodgers didn't fall to the 2nd round there is absolutely no chance v.y. will

Aaron Rodgers was a much more accomplished QB coming out of college and can make throws necesary.

Oh, the humanity!

 

[Ministry of Pain]

You guys missed my point. I asked if the Raiders passed on him...and UT fans start "wanting in on the action"...RELAX!

This is not a Vick situation where he single handedly takes them to a Nat Champ game and goes toe to toe with Florida State who in 2000 was a monster...whatever...there's no use talking to you folks.

OK, so everyone thinks if not Oakland than Balt will invest highly in him...than Denver? than Miami? than any other NFL team...guys a project..would love to see him frop far int he 1st round just to get a rise out of the UT fans...the further he drops the less signing money he gets...I hope it was worth entering the NFL early...but he certainly will not go #1...at #9 what's the signing bonus? It's gotta be a lot less than #1, #2, and #3.

 

[redman]

He's this year's Matt Jones.  He's not falling to the 2nd round.

White college QB with mediocre stats and subpar W-L record but off the charts measurables skyrockets up the charts because of a position change...

VS.

Black college QB with astoundingly good stats and a national title with off the charts measurables who starts at the top of the charts and, if anything is going to fall but a few picks

Not seeing the similarities?

I think his point is that even if he didn't play QB, he'd be outstanding at another position. He's 1st round talent at just about any skill spot.

Generally, yes. More to the point, both are raw football talents who need a good amount of polishing but who have remarkable athleticism and whose perceived draft value has become very inflated between the end of the season and the draft.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

You guys missed my point. I asked if the Raiders passed on him...and UT fans start "wanting in on the action"...RELAX!

This is not a Vick situation where he single handedly takes them to a Nat Champ game and goes toe to toe with Florida State who in 2000 was a monster...whatever...there's no use talking to you folks.

OK, so everyone thinks if not Oakland than Balt will invest highly in him...than Denver? than Miami? than any other NFL team...guys a project..would love to see him frop far int he 1st round just to get a rise out of the UT fans...the further he drops the less signing money he gets...I hope it was worth entering the NFL early...but he certainly will not go #1...at #9 what's the signing bonus? It's gotta be a lot less than #1, #2, and #3.

I guess it is 5:30 somewhere, after all.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Teams that could be interested in drafting Young:

Buffalo

Arizona

Baltimore

Denver

Minnesota

Dallas

Kansas City

Jets (2nd pick)

 

[Hawk]

He's this year's Matt Jones.  He's not falling to the 2nd round.

White college QB with mediocre stats and subpar W-L record but off the charts measurables skyrockets up the charts because of a position change...

VS.

Black college QB with astoundingly good stats and a national title with off the charts measurables who starts at the top of the charts and, if anything is going to fall but a few picks

Not seeing the similarities?

I think his point is that even if he didn't play QB, he'd be outstanding at another position. He's 1st round talent at just about any skill spot.

Generally, yes. More to the point, both are raw football talents who need a good amount of polishing but who have remarkable athleticism and whose perceived draft value has become very inflated between the end of the season and the draft.

If anything, VY's stock has dropped since the end of the season. What are you talking about?

 

[GregR_2]

I bet the Ravens would not let him get past 13.

... His abilities or lack thereof have been debated enough by us locals since January. You are either for or against Young as an NFL player. ...

I think there are a lot of people who view Vince reasonably and can recognize his potential as well as what aspects of being an NFL QB his college experience prepared him for, and what aspects he's unproven in or may have to adapt tf course, they tend to get drowned out by the rest.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I bet the Ravens would not let him get past 13.

... His abilities or lack thereof have been debated enough by us locals since January. You are either for or against Young as an NFL player. ...

I think there are a lot of people who view Vince reasonably and can recognize his potential as well as what aspects of being an NFL QB his college experience prepared him for, and what aspects he's unproven in or may have to adapt tf course, they tend to get drowned out by the rest.

And Greg I do believe he can do some special things on a football field. That said, he played on a fantastic college team with a very good OL in front of him and a terrific defense that allowed him the ability to run around and make plays. He is far from a pocket QB.2005: Ben Rothliesberger...pocket QB with some mobility but can stand in a deliver the ball.

2004, 2003, 2001: Tom Brady...terrific pocket passer...can move a little but is not running all over the field.

2002: Brad Johnson...pocket QB all the way.

2000: Trent Dilfer...pocket QB

1999: Kurt Warner...pocket QB

Do I need to keep going...very rarely does a guy that runs around all the time win the big game...if I am drafting a QB early in the draft I want a guy that can fit that mold. Pittsburgh was smart and grabbed a great pocket QB when presented with the opp. The Giants did the same with Eli Manning...VY is neither one of those QBs in his wildest dreams. The ability to win a Nat Championship in college does not always translate and many times does not translate to an NFL QB.

Get real folks.

 

[TheLaw]

I bet the Ravens would not let him get past 13.

... His abilities or lack thereof have been debated enough by us locals since January. You are either for or against Young as an NFL player. ...

I think there are a lot of people who view Vince reasonably and can recognize his potential as well as what aspects of being an NFL QB his college experience prepared him for, and what aspects he's unproven in or may have to adapt tf course, they tend to get drowned out by the rest.

And Greg I do believe he can do some special things on a football field. That said, he played on a fantastic college team with a very good OL in front of him and a terrific defense that allowed him the ability to run around and make plays. He is far from a pocket QB.2005: Ben Rothliesberger...pocket QB with some mobility but can stand in a deliver the ball.

2004, 2003, 2001: Tom Brady...terrific pocket passer...can move a little but is not running all over the field.

2002: Brad Johnson...pocket QB all the way.

2000: Trent Dilfer...pocket QB

1999: Kurt Warner...pocket QB

Do I need to keep going...very rarely does a guy that runs around all the time win the big game...if I am drafting a QB early in the draft I want a guy that can fit that mold. Pittsburgh was smart and grabbed a great pocket QB when presented with the opp. The Giants did the same with Eli Manning...VY is neither one of those QBs in his wildest dreams. The ability to win a Nat Championship in college does not always translate and many times does not translate to an NFL QB.

Get real folks.

VY will be better than Eli Manning.

 

[Z-Dog]

Teams that could be interested in drafting Young:

Buffalo

Arizona

Baltimore

Denver

Minnesota

Dallas

Kansas City

Jets (2nd pick)

I would add to this list:Houston

New Orleans

Tennessee

NYJ (any pick)

Green Bay

And that's just the top-5. I think it is likelier that a team selects him in the top-5 (be it b/c they live there or get there by trading) than that he falls out of the top 20. I'd be prepared to take on a meaningless sig bet on the topic.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I bet the Ravens would not let him get past 13.

... His abilities or lack thereof have been debated enough by us locals since January. You are either for or against Young as an NFL player. ...

I think there are a lot of people who view Vince reasonably and can recognize his potential as well as what aspects of being an NFL QB his college experience prepared him for, and what aspects he's unproven in or may have to adapt tf course, they tend to get drowned out by the rest.

And Greg I do believe he can do some special things on a football field. That said, he played on a fantastic college team with a very good OL in front of him and a terrific defense that allowed him the ability to run around and make plays. He is far from a pocket QB.2005: Ben Rothliesberger...pocket QB with some mobility but can stand in a deliver the ball.

2004, 2003, 2001: Tom Brady...terrific pocket passer...can move a little but is not running all over the field.

2002: Brad Johnson...pocket QB all the way.

2000: Trent Dilfer...pocket QB

1999: Kurt Warner...pocket QB

Do I need to keep going...very rarely does a guy that runs around all the time win the big game...if I am drafting a QB early in the draft I want a guy that can fit that mold. Pittsburgh was smart and grabbed a great pocket QB when presented with the opp. The Giants did the same with Eli Manning...VY is neither one of those QBs in his wildest dreams. The ability to win a Nat Championship in college does not always translate and many times does not translate to an NFL QB.

Get real folks.

VY will be better than Eli Manning.

I hope your kidding. This is a very ignorant comment otherwise. ELi has progressed a lot in 2 short seasons into being a strong pocket passer. In fact I would say he is quickly making a run for one of the top QBs in the NFC. I'd rather have him than most of the starting QBs in the NFC...Bledsoe

Brunell

B.Johnson

R.Grossman

Kitna

Simms

Brees(post shoulder inj)

Vick

A.Smith

Warner

Maybe McNabb, Hasselbeck and Bulger have a little on him at the moment but you could see him move passed a couple of those guys this season. He's young and getting it done...he's only going to get better.

 

[cstu]

You guys missed my point. I asked if the Raiders passed on him...and UT fans start "wanting in on the action"...RELAX!

This is not a Vick situation where he single handedly takes them to a Nat Champ game and goes toe to toe with Florida State who in 2000 was a monster...whatever...there's no use talking to you folks.

OK, so everyone thinks if not Oakland than Balt will invest highly in him...than Denver? than Miami? than any other NFL team...guys a project..would love to see him frop far int he 1st round just to get a rise out of the UT fans...the further he drops the less signing money he gets...I hope it was worth entering the NFL early...but he certainly will not go #1...at #9 what's the signing bonus? It's gotta be a lot less than #1, #2, and #3.

He's a project but Denver has Plummer and can afford to wait a couple years for him to develop. You can't say the same thing about Oakland and Baltimore. If he does somehow slip past Denver, there's 0% chance that the Cowboys pass on him and I do mean 0%.

 

[Z-Dog]

I bet the Ravens would not let him get past 13.

... His abilities or lack thereof have been debated enough by us locals since January. You are either for or against Young as an NFL player. ...

I think there are a lot of people who view Vince reasonably and can recognize his potential as well as what aspects of being an NFL QB his college experience prepared him for, and what aspects he's unproven in or may have to adapt tf course, they tend to get drowned out by the rest.

And Greg I do believe he can do some special things on a football field. That said, he played on a fantastic college team with a very good OL in front of him and a terrific defense that allowed him the ability to run around and make plays. He is far from a pocket QB.2005: Ben Rothliesberger...pocket QB with some mobility but can stand in a deliver the ball.

2004, 2003, 2001: Tom Brady...terrific pocket passer...can move a little but is not running all over the field.

2002: Brad Johnson...pocket QB all the way.

2000: Trent Dilfer...pocket QB

1999: Kurt Warner...pocket QB

Do I need to keep going...very rarely does a guy that runs around all the time win the big game...if I am drafting a QB early in the draft I want a guy that can fit that mold. Pittsburgh was smart and grabbed a great pocket QB when presented with the opp. The Giants did the same with Eli Manning...VY is neither one of those QBs in his wildest dreams. The ability to win a Nat Championship in college does not always translate and many times does not translate to an NFL QB.

Get real folks.

VY will be better than Eli Manning.

I hope your kidding. This is a very ignorant comment otherwise. ELi has progressed a lot in 2 short seasons into being a strong pocket passer. In fact I would say he is quickly making a run for one of the top QBs in the NFC. I'd rather have him than most of the starting QBs in the NFC...Bledsoe

Brunell

B.Johnson

R.Grossman

Kitna

Simms

Brees(post shoulder inj)

Vick

A.Smith

Warner

Maybe McNabb, Hasselbeck and Bulger have a little on him at the moment but you could see him move passed a couple of those guys this season. He's young and getting it done...he's only going to get better.

I don't think there is anything ignorant about saying that VY will eventually be better than Eli Manning.

 

[Hawk]

You guys missed my point.  I asked if the Raiders passed on him...and UT fans start "wanting in on the action"...RELAX!

This is not a Vick situation where he single handedly takes them to a Nat Champ game and goes toe to toe with Florida State who in 2000 was a monster...whatever...there's no use talking to you folks.

OK, so everyone thinks if not Oakland than Balt will invest highly in him...than Denver? than Miami? than any other NFL team...guys a project..would love to see him frop far int he 1st round just to get a rise out of the UT fans...the further he drops the less signing money he gets...I hope it was worth entering the NFL early...but he certainly will not go #1...at #9 what's the signing bonus? It's gotta be a lot less than #1, #2, and #3.

He's a project but Denver has Plummer and can afford to wait a couple years for him to develop. You can't say the same thing about Oakland and Baltimore. If he does somehow slip past Denver, there's 0% chance that the Cowboys pass on him and I do mean 0%.

The worst he can possibly do is Dallas at 18. Dallas will take him if he's there. But the odds of him falling to Dallas are slim to none.

 

[redman]

He's this year's Matt Jones.  He's not falling to the 2nd round.

White college QB with mediocre stats and subpar W-L record but off the charts measurables skyrockets up the charts because of a position change...

VS.

Black college QB with astoundingly good stats and a national title with off the charts measurables who starts at the top of the charts and, if anything is going to fall but a few picks

Not seeing the similarities?

I think his point is that even if he didn't play QB, he'd be outstanding at another position. He's 1st round talent at just about any skill spot.

Generally, yes. More to the point, both are raw football talents who need a good amount of polishing but who have remarkable athleticism and whose perceived draft value has become very inflated between the end of the season and the draft.

If anything, VY's stock has dropped since the end of the season. What are you talking about?

Considering he hadn't declared for the draft before the end of the season, you might want to rethink your position on that. I don't recall much discussion about him as a draft prospect during the football season. The Rose Bowl game got him a lot of national exposure.

 

[GregR_2]

...

I think there are a lot of people who view Vince reasonably and can recognize his potential as well as what aspects of being an NFL QB his college experience prepared him for, and what aspects he's unproven in or may have to adapt to.

Of course, they tend to get drowned out by the rest.

And Greg I do believe he can do some special things on a football field. That said, he played on a fantastic college team with a very good OL in front of him and a terrific defense that allowed him the ability to run around and make plays. He is far from a pocket QB.2005: Ben Rothliesberger...pocket QB with some mobility but can stand in a deliver the ball.

2004, 2003, 2001: Tom Brady...terrific pocket passer...can move a little but is not running all over the field.

2002: Brad Johnson...pocket QB all the way.

2000: Trent Dilfer...pocket QB

1999: Kurt Warner...pocket QB

Do I need to keep going...very rarely does a guy that runs around all the time win the big game...if I am drafting a QB early in the draft I want a guy that can fit that mold. Pittsburgh was smart and grabbed a great pocket QB when presented with the opp. The Giants did the same with Eli Manning...VY is neither one of those QBs in his wildest dreams. The ability to win a Nat Championship in college does not always translate and many times does not translate to an NFL QB.

Get real folks.

Not sure why mine was the post you chose to put that stuff in a reply to, but since you did... ok, based on what you just said, I don't think you're viewing him reasonably, no. Pointing out a few non-mobile players who had success does not mean a mobile QB can't have success. You included Dilfer, a QB who had success because his team had a best-in-NFL-history-defense and not because he was a top NFL QB. I really can't believe that you would objectively think a QB must compare to Dilfer to become a good NFL QB, so that suggests to me that you tried to construct an argument to detract from Vince rather than observing the situation and making a judgement based on it.

I think Vince has more question marks than Matt Leinart especially in regards to experience with a pro style offense and reading defenses. But I really don't buy the mobile QB argument you wage, any more than I believe those who when they argue in favor of him, it seems like "because he won the big game" is at the heart of their arguments.

 

[Warehouse Nasty]

I bet the Ravens would not let him get past 13.

... His abilities or lack thereof have been debated enough by us locals since January. You are either for or against Young as an NFL player. ...

I think there are a lot of people who view Vince reasonably and can recognize his potential as well as what aspects of being an NFL QB his college experience prepared him for, and what aspects he's unproven in or may have to adapt tf course, they tend to get drowned out by the rest.

And Greg I do believe he can do some special things on a football field. That said, he played on a fantastic college team with a very good OL in front of him and a terrific defense that allowed him the ability to run around and make plays. He is far from a pocket QB.2005: Ben Rothliesberger...pocket QB with some mobility but can stand in a deliver the ball.

2004, 2003, 2001: Tom Brady...terrific pocket passer...can move a little but is not running all over the field.

2002: Brad Johnson...pocket QB all the way.

2000: Trent Dilfer...pocket QB

1999: Kurt Warner...pocket QB

Do I need to keep going...very rarely does a guy that runs around all the time win the big game...if I am drafting a QB early in the draft I want a guy that can fit that mold. Pittsburgh was smart and grabbed a great pocket QB when presented with the opp. The Giants did the same with Eli Manning...VY is neither one of those QBs in his wildest dreams. The ability to win a Nat Championship in college does not always translate and many times does not translate to an NFL QB.

Get real folks.

Another similarity of all those teams, with the exception of St Louis, is none of them had a dominant running back. Therefore, I think it's obvious that San Diego and Seattle would be idiots not to get rid of Tomlinson and Alexander.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

...

I think there are a lot of people who view Vince reasonably and can recognize his potential as well as what aspects of being an NFL QB his college experience prepared him for, and what aspects he's unproven in or may have to adapt to.

Of course, they tend to get drowned out by the rest.

And Greg I do believe he can do some special things on a football field. That said, he played on a fantastic college team with a very good OL in front of him and a terrific defense that allowed him the ability to run around and make plays. He is far from a pocket QB.2005: Ben Rothliesberger...pocket QB with some mobility but can stand in a deliver the ball.

2004, 2003, 2001: Tom Brady...terrific pocket passer...can move a little but is not running all over the field.

2002: Brad Johnson...pocket QB all the way.

2000: Trent Dilfer...pocket QB

1999: Kurt Warner...pocket QB

Do I need to keep going...very rarely does a guy that runs around all the time win the big game...if I am drafting a QB early in the draft I want a guy that can fit that mold. Pittsburgh was smart and grabbed a great pocket QB when presented with the opp. The Giants did the same with Eli Manning...VY is neither one of those QBs in his wildest dreams. The ability to win a Nat Championship in college does not always translate and many times does not translate to an NFL QB.

Get real folks.

Not sure why mine was the post you chose to put that stuff in a reply to, but since you did... ok, based on what you just said, I don't think you're viewing him reasonably, no. Pointing out a few non-mobile players who had success does not mean a mobile QB can't have success. You included Dilfer, a QB who had success because his team had a best-in-NFL-history-defense and not because he was a top NFL QB. I really can't believe that you would objectively think a QB must compare to Dilfer to become a good NFL QB, so that suggests to me that you tried to construct an argument to detract from Vince rather than observing the situation and making a judgement based on it.

I think Vince has more question marks than Matt Leinart especially in regards to experience with a pro style offense and reading defenses. But I really don't buy the mobile QB argument you wage, any more than I believe those who when they argue in favor of him, it seems like "because he won the big game" is at the heart of their arguments.

I was simply saying the last QBs to wint he SUper Bowl...in fact almost all the Super Bowl winners right down the line were all good pocket passers. Cunningham was perhaps the best mobile QB to play the game at one point never won a Super Bowl...Michael Vick who has better legs than an arm(although he can flick it 60-70 yds without much effort), he has not even won the Championship game yet...he did win in Green Bay during the playoff and was the 1st to do so.My point is Vince Young does not have any characteristics that would make him a championship QB at the next level. Mannin did, Roth did(obviously), Brady, and Young just does not stack up. I was not comparing him to Trent Dilfer and shame on you for taking 1 little snipet of what I wrote and blowing that up for your arguement, shame on you for doing that.

With Vick I understood...he had a terrific arm but was inaccurate a bit...and he ahs not improved in that dept much...but Vick has legs and a cannon. CPepp might fit that mold a bit too although his recent knee injury is going to force him to sit in the pocket more like it did with Trent Green.

Top 10 pick for a project QB that has little chance to take you to the Super Bowl...I just do not see that as a good investment for a team...let someone else teach this kkid for 5 years and than he will leave and be a FA.

 

[JuniorNB]

He's this year's Matt Jones. He's not falling to the 2nd round.

Neither has ever been in my kitchen?

 

[Gargoylez]

He's this year's Matt Jones.  He's not falling to the 2nd round.

White college QB with mediocre stats and subpar W-L record but off the charts measurables skyrockets up the charts because of a position change...

VS.

Black college QB with astoundingly good stats and a national title with off the charts measurables who starts at the top of the charts and, if anything is going to fall but a few picks

Not seeing the similarities?

Both extremely WAY over hyped... Both have/had HUGE amount of question marks... No way Young jumps into a team and ends up starting and wins 10 ball games for the club unless their defense does it for him.I don;t see Young dropping into the 2nd round either, even another team early in the 2nd could give up a bunch to move up and grab him.

I also don't see any team wanting to take him except maybe arizona and Denver. He is going to be a huge project and big draw on the cap while they wait for him to develop... if he even does.

Matt Jones started coming on towards the end, and will probably end up being a real decent WR. But when he was drafted it was a coin flip on how he was really going to do.

 

[Englishteacher]

He's this year's Matt Jones.  He's not falling to the 2nd round.

White college QB with mediocre stats and subpar W-L record but off the charts measurables skyrockets up the charts because of a position change...

VS.

Black college QB with astoundingly good stats and a national title with off the charts measurables who starts at the top of the charts and, if anything is going to fall but a few picks

Not seeing the similarities?

They both played in a hick state?

But wait, I come from NC which hails Jesse Helms and Andy Griffith (I'll take Andy). Well, I guess we're still a little more removed from the single cell organism than the other two. hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

 

[Texasmouth]

I am not going to bother reading all of the replies in this thread. This is the dumbest thread I have read here. You have to be a complete moron if you think Vince Young will make it to the second round or even out of the top ten.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I am not going to bother reading all of the replies in this thread. This is the dumbest thread I have read here. You have to be a complete moron if you think Vince Young will make it to the second round or even out of the top ten.

My bolded word areas should sum up my feelings towards you than.

 

[Texasmouth]

I am not going to bother reading all of the replies in this thread. This is the dumbest thread I have read here. You have to be a complete moron if you think Vince Young will make it to the second round or even out of the top ten.

My bolded word areas should sum up my feelings towards you than.

Oh man, you got me. How can I go on posting here after you humiliated me so badly?