If the Raiders do not take Vince Young (1 Viewer)

[Ministry of Pain]

I am not going to bother reading all of the replies in this thread. This is the dumbest thread I have read here. You have to be a complete moron if you think Vince Young will make it to the second round or even out of the top ten.

My bolded word areas should sum up my feelings towards you than.

Oh man, you got me. How can I go on posting here after you humiliated me so badly?

I wasn't trying to stop you from posting, merely inviting you to read some of the banter in this thread and than post...I think it would more interesting. I don't agree with LOTS of different posters here so relax please.You think anything other than a top10 pick is moronic? The Raiders have the 7th, 8th, or 9th pick and they are being listed as the favorite to get him...what if they do not take him? Is it just too much swallow to imagine that acomplete NFL project might fall out of the top10? That is what you were trying to say, right?

 

[Warehouse Nasty]

MOP-The point is that you're not a moron for thinking that Vince Young won't be successful. Lots of people believe that and lots of first round picks do turn out to be busts. Maybe Vince Young will be; I strongly disagree but everyone is allowed their opinion.

But, if you really think that he could slip to the 2nd round then you are either fishing or, no offense, just not very bright.

 

[BassNBrew]

 

[Englishteacher]

I am not going to bother reading all of the replies in this thread. This is the dumbest thread I have read here. You have to be a complete moron if you think Vince Young will make it to the second round or even out of the top ten.

My bolded word areas should sum up my feelings towards you than.

Oh man, you got me. How can I go on posting here after you humiliated me so badly?

Settle down girls before one of you rips a button on their blouse. CAT FIGHT!!!!!!

 

[Texasmouth]

I am not going to bother reading all of the replies in this thread. This is the dumbest thread I have read here. You have to be a complete moron if you think Vince Young will make it to the second round or even out of the top ten.

My bolded word areas should sum up my feelings towards you than.

Oh man, you got me. How can I go on posting here after you humiliated me so badly?

I wasn't trying to stop you from posting, merely inviting you to read some of the banter in this thread and than post...I think it would more interesting. I don't agree with LOTS of different posters here so relax please.You think anything other than a top10 pick is moronic? The Raiders have the 7th, 8th, or 9th pick and they are being listed as the favorite to get him...what if they do not take him? Is it just too much swallow to imagine that acomplete NFL project might fall out of the top10? That is what you were trying to say, right?

I am just saying that if you think Vince Young will make it out of the top ten then you now nothing about football or you haven't watched college football this year. Young may be a project, but he isn't Marcus Vick. He is a 6'5" 220lb mobile QB who knows how to win games. He is also a project with a tremendous amount of untapped upside. No way teams pass on this guy.

He won't make it past pick 5

 

[Hawk]

Hey Ministry, take a look at these clips on VY's website. Keeping in mind that for whatever reason, they do not have any clips from this last season except the Rose Bowl so they do not showcase his improved passing much, if you can watch all these and honestly tell me you don't think VY is deserving of being a high first round pick, then I don't know what to tell you. Either you haven't watched a lot of football, or "moron" might be applicable after all.

http://www.10vinceyoung.com/vytv.htm

Just watch his Freshman (2003) and Sophmore (2004) clips. Then watch the two Rose Bowls. Enough said.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Hey Ministry, take a look at these clips on VY's website. Keeping in mind that for whatever reason, they do not have any clips from this last season except the Rose Bowl so they do not showcase his improved passing much, if you can watch all these and honestly tell me you don't think VY is deserving of being a high first round pick, then I don't know what to tell you. Either you haven't watched a lot of football, or "moron" might be applicable after all.

http://www.10vinceyoung.com/vytv.htm

Just watch his Freshman (2003) and Sophmore (2004) clips. Then watch the two Rose Bowls. Enough said.

Let's see, his wonderlic test from what I have read was terrible. This translates into not making great decisions in a "Pro Style" offense. His arm is questionable as he rarely had to make 20 and 30 yard outs in college. In the pros you have got to be able to throw on the money when the WR goes 20-30 yds and runs out to the sidelines...every coach, GM, scout will tell you that...it's critical and when you look at the NFL QBs that struggle doing this they tend to have problems with those throws. Guys like Manning, Favre, McNabb, McNair, Brady...they can all make that throw with relative ease. Young cannot do that yet so he is going to be a project.

I watched a bunch of college football and growing up in miami, being a Canes fan and than living in SoCal during this SC rebirth I would like to think I have seen many top college football games and prospects coming out of college the past 20 years. I think VY is an exciting college QB but I just think a lot of NFL teams are leery of investing real high on this guy. How come he isn' coming out before Leinart if he is that good? He will not be a top5 pick and might even be taken after Jay Cutler(who I also do not like that much).

 

[Gargoylez]

I dont think he makes it out of the top 10 on his hype alone. But then again no one thought Rodgers would plummet like he did.

Minimally Young to Arizona at 10, BEST is #7 at Oakland. I think Green Bay would take Cutler over young anyday. They need a kid with smarts and a good arm, not a scrambler with questionable intellegence.

 

[GregR_2]

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And Greg I do believe he can do some special things on a football field. That said, he played on a fantastic college team with a very good OL in front of him and a terrific defense that allowed him the ability to run around and make plays. He is far from a pocket QB.

2005: Ben Rothliesberger...pocket QB with some mobility but can stand in a deliver the ball.

2004, 2003, 2001: Tom Brady...terrific pocket passer...can move a little but is not running all over the field.

2002: Brad Johnson...pocket QB all the way.

2000: Trent Dilfer...pocket QB

1999: Kurt Warner...pocket QB

Do I need to keep going...very rarely does a guy that runs around all the time win the big game...if I am drafting a QB early in the draft I want a guy that can fit that mold. Pittsburgh was smart and grabbed a great pocket QB when presented with the opp. The Giants did the same with Eli Manning...VY is neither one of those QBs in his wildest dreams. The ability to win a Nat Championship in college does not always translate and many times does not translate to an NFL QB.

Get real folks.

Not sure why mine was the post you chose to put that stuff in a reply to, but since you did... ok, based on what you just said, I don't think you're viewing him reasonably, no. Pointing out a few non-mobile players who had success does not mean a mobile QB can't have success. You included Dilfer, a QB who had success because his team had a best-in-NFL-history-defense and not because he was a top NFL QB. I really can't believe that you would objectively think a QB must compare to Dilfer to become a good NFL QB, so that suggests to me that you tried to construct an argument to detract from Vince rather than observing the situation and making a judgement based on it.

I think Vince has more question marks than Matt Leinart especially in regards to experience with a pro style offense and reading defenses. But I really don't buy the mobile QB argument you wage, any more than I believe those who when they argue in favor of him, it seems like "because he won the big game" is at the heart of their arguments.

I was simply saying the last QBs to wint he SUper Bowl...in fact almost all the Super Bowl winners right down the line were all good pocket passers. Cunningham was perhaps the best mobile QB to play the game at one point never won a Super Bowl...Michael Vick who has better legs than an arm(although he can flick it 60-70 yds without much effort), he has not even won the Championship game yet...he did win in Green Bay during the playoff and was the 1st to do so.My point is Vince Young does not have any characteristics that would make him a championship QB at the next level. Mannin did, Roth did(obviously), Brady, and Young just does not stack up. I was not comparing him to Trent Dilfer and shame on you for taking 1 little snipet of what I wrote and blowing that up for your arguement, shame on you for doing that.

With Vick I understood...he had a terrific arm but was inaccurate a bit...and he ahs not improved in that dept much...but Vick has legs and a cannon. CPepp might fit that mold a bit too although his recent knee injury is going to force him to sit in the pocket more like it did with Trent Green.

Top 10 pick for a project QB that has little chance to take you to the Super Bowl...I just do not see that as a good investment for a team...let someone else teach this kkid for 5 years and than he will leave and be a FA.

I didn't take one little snippet and blow it up. I said the premise of naming Super Bowl winning non-mobile QBs as the only successful ones was invalid. I then pointed out the absurd lengths taken by including Dilfer as a guy that a QB should be like to be worth taking. Including him gives it the appearance that it wasn't a case of just making an invalid argument, but of choosing obersvations to fit your conclusion instead of making observations and seeing what conclusion they support or not.I really don't think you think that "having won a Super Bowl" is the best measure of an NFL QB. So continuing to argue like it is just further enforces the impression that this isn't an objective evaluation of VY. It's as bad as the UT homers that flooded Houston sports radio for weeks on end after the Rose Bowl.

Though I think reality has started to sink in here. In a recent poll, Sports Radio 610 found that 75% of respondents said the Texans should draft Bush over Young if those were the only 2 choices.

 

[massraider]

I think there's a real good shot that he goes top 5.

There might be some teams that are leery of him, but it only takes one to fall in love with him, and he's drafted.

It's April 7th, assurances about where a guy will definitely go or not go seem a little silly, in light of every other draft I've ever watched.

Especially with these QB's.

Leinart: For people down on him, he's slow, with an average arm, and leadership seems to be his best quality.

Young: Fantastic athlete, but can he run a real offense?

Cutler: Decent numbers for a crap team. Is he a workout warrior?

It's really interesting, because I don't think there's a consensus on the rating, and I also don't think anyone knows for sure what the Titans and Jets are thinking.

Is it so far out of left field, that the Titans and Jets end up with Young/Leinart?

I don't think so.

 

[redman]

I am not going to bother reading all of the replies in this thread. This is the dumbest thread I have read here. You have to be a complete moron if you think Vince Young will make it to the second round or even out of the top ten.

My bolded word areas should sum up my feelings towards you than.

Oh man, you got me. How can I go on posting here after you humiliated me so badly?

The fact that so many from the Texas contingent are so militant about Young makes it very easy for some - including me - to ridicule this passion about him. Lighten up, Francis. He's a remarkable athlete who is less equipped to get into an NFL starting lineup than many other supposed 1st round talents simply because of the system he played in. He needs work, plain and simple.

I compared him with Matt Jones who in my view was a pretty close parallel to him last year. That's not because they're both college QB's, but rather because both are phenomenal athletes with as much or more athleticism as anyone else in the draft, but both require development and polish to play the positions they're projected to play in the NFL. Like Jones, I expect Young to fall somewhat but to still be taken in the first round. I'm going to be a bit surprised if he goes in the top ten.

 

[Warehouse Nasty]

You're all missing the point. Nothing of what anyone here thinks about Young matters. The dude will get drafted in the first round. Period.

MOP is either fishing here or he's simply just an idiot.

 

[Hawk]

I am not going to bother reading all of the replies in this thread. This is the dumbest thread I have read here. You have to be a complete moron if you think Vince Young will make it to the second round or even out of the top ten.

My bolded word areas should sum up my feelings towards you than.

Oh man, you got me. How can I go on posting here after you humiliated me so badly?

The fact that so many from the Texas contingent are so militant about Young makes it very easy for some - including me - to ridicule this passion about him. Lighten up, Francis. He's a remarkable athlete who is less equipped to get into an NFL starting lineup than many other supposed 1st round talents simply because of the system he played in. He needs work, plain and simple.

I compared him with Matt Jones who in my view was a pretty close parallel to him last year. That's not because they're both college QB's, but rather because both are phenomenal athletes with as much or more athleticism as anyone else in the draft, but both require development and polish to play the positions they're projected to play in the NFL. Like Jones, I expect Young to fall somewhat but to still be taken in the first round. I'm going to be a bit surprised if he goes in the top ten.

Prepare to be surprised. I would bet large sums of money that VY gets drafted in the top 10. If the Titans, Jets, Packers, Raiders, Lions and Cardinals all pass on Vince (and no other teams trade into the top 10 to get him), I won't be "a bit surprised," I'll be STUNNED.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

You're all missing the point. Nothing of what anyone here thinks about Young matters. The dude will get drafted in the first round. Period.

MOP is either fishing here or he's simply just an idiot.

Great insight, look forward to reading some threads of yours

 

[Gargoylez]

You're all missing the point. Nothing of what anyone here thinks about Young matters. The dude will get drafted in the first round. Period.

MOP is either fishing here or he's simply just an idiot.

Simply put it is a possibility, just like Green bay drafting him. Anything can happen on draft day, we are just discussing the possibilities.Why does that make anyone an idiot, because he might be playing the devils advocate???

 

[Hov34]

never mind

 

[cstu]

You're all missing the point. Nothing of what anyone here thinks about Young matters. The dude will get drafted in the first round. Period.

MOP is either fishing here or he's simply just an idiot.

Great insight, look forward to reading some threads of yours

MOP, I agree with him. I don't think you are an idiot but I also don't think you actually believe there is any chance that Vince Young will slip out of the 1st round. I've already stated my case for him going to Denver if he slips that far, but let's assume that Parcells goes ballistic over Jerry Jones wanting Young instead of an immediate impact player like Lawson and they pass on him as well. I'll suspend disbelief for a second and also imagine the Broncos passing on Young again at #22. If he slips into the 20's, there will be a mad rush of teams with high picks in the 2nd round trying to trade up to get him. The risk/reward ratio late is way too high on him for him to not get drafted in the 1st one way or another.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

You're all missing the point.  Nothing of what anyone here thinks about Young matters.  The dude will get drafted in the first round.  Period.

MOP is either fishing here or he's simply just an idiot.

Great insight, look forward to reading some threads of yours

MOP, I agree with him. I don't think you are an idiot but I also don't think you actually believe there is any chance that Vince Young will slip out of the 1st round. I've already stated my case for him going to Denver if he slips that far, but let's assume that Parcells goes ballistic over Jerry Jones wanting Young instead of an immediate impact player like Lawson and they pass on him as well. I'll suspend disbelief for a second and also imagine the Broncos passing on Young again at #22. If he slips into the 20's, there will be a mad rush of teams with high picks in the 2nd round trying to trade up to get him. The risk/reward ratio late is way too high on him for him to not get drafted in the 1st one way or another.

That's fine CSTU...I had read a few places where Oakland was the team that was uberhigh and should they pass on him he might fall a bit. I think your logic is certainly credible and I appreciate your posts as awlays...thanks.

 

[Hawk]

You're all missing the point.  Nothing of what anyone here thinks about Young matters.  The dude will get drafted in the first round.  Period.

MOP is either fishing here or he's simply just an idiot.

Great insight, look forward to reading some threads of yours

MOP, I agree with him. I don't think you are an idiot but I also don't think you actually believe there is any chance that Vince Young will slip out of the 1st round. I've already stated my case for him going to Denver if he slips that far, but let's assume that Parcells goes ballistic over Jerry Jones wanting Young instead of an immediate impact player like Lawson and they pass on him as well. I'll suspend disbelief for a second and also imagine the Broncos passing on Young again at #22. If he slips into the 20's, there will be a mad rush of teams with high picks in the 2nd round trying to trade up to get him. The risk/reward ratio late is way too high on him for him to not get drafted in the 1st one way or another.

Including the Texans. How happy do you think the Texans would be to land Reggie Bush and Vince Young both in this draft?That would be insane. That just sounds too crazy, there's no way that could happen. The reason it sounds crazy is because we all know he won't slip anywhere near far enough to get back to Houston.

 

[Resident A]

Don't count out the Bills for Young, or any of the 3 QBs for that matter. Losman is garbage & the other guys are just fillers. Buffalo could really use a cornerstone with some star power as well.

 

[Gargoylez]

Don't count out the Bills for Young, or any of the 3 QBs for that matter. Losman is garbage & the other guys are just fillers. Buffalo could really use a cornerstone with some star power as well.

Just what they need. Sign Nall, Keep Losman (2 first round picks) and noodle arm Holcombe. Lets bring in yet another question mark.I understand we are looking at all the possibilities, but that would be even worse then the Packers taking him.

 

[Warehouse Nasty]

You're all missing the point.  Nothing of what anyone here thinks about Young matters.  The dude will get drafted in the first round.  Period.

MOP is either fishing here or he's simply just an idiot.

Great insight, look forward to reading some threads of yours

In all seriousness, I will give you 5-1 odds. I take he goes in the first, you get 5-1 on your money. We can even put in a stipulation that the bet only counts if he is still available after the Raiders pick.So, if you truly believe this is a possibility, you can't pass up these odds. And if the Raiders take him, you have nothing to worry about.

 

[Iron_Far]

Before I go through any of the drivel in this thread:

Can someone tell me if this isn't yet another idiotic trip by MOP?

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Before I go through any of the drivel in this thread:

Can someone tell me if this isn't yet another idiotic trip by MOP?

Can you dig up all the other fishing trips I do in the Shark Pool? Where in the title does it say I think VY WILL be taken in the 2nd round...I simply offered it up as a question. I didn't say that I knew he was going in the 2nd...why is questioning where this guy will be drafted so absurd?

Lousy Wonderlic, would not go to the combine, not sure that he even had a "pro day" where he did things scouts want to see like those 20 and 30 yd out patterns...

Was just a thread and you didn't have to enter it if you didn't want to. Have a great season.

 

[Gargoylez]

Before I go through any of the drivel in this thread:

Can someone tell me if this isn't yet another idiotic  trip by MOP?

Can you dig up all the other fishing trips I do in the Shark Pool? Where in the title does it say I think VY WILL be taken in the 2nd round...I simply offered it up as a question. I didn't say that I knew he was going in the 2nd...why is questioning where this guy will be drafted so absurd?

Lousy Wonderlic, would not go to the combine, not sure that he even had a "pro day" where he did things scouts want to see like those 20 and 30 yd out patterns...

Was just a thread and you didn't have to enter it if you didn't want to. Have a great season.

Im picking up what your laying down MOP. I am not sure anyone else is tho.Young lovers are diehard it seems.

 

[Bevo]

Before I go through any of the drivel in this thread:

Can someone tell me if this isn't yet another idiotic  trip by MOP?

Lousy Wonderlic, would not go to the combine, not sure that he even had a "pro day" where he did things scouts want to see like those 20 and 30 yd out patterns...

Wow! Your knowledge of VY is outstanding. He DID go to the combine, he chose not to participate in the drills (just like quite a number of other players). You don't even know whether or not he had a pro day where he tried things the scouts wanted to see? What you know about VY wouldn't half fill a thimble. That is hilarious. This is clearly just another bash Vince thread.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Before I go through any of the drivel in this thread:

Can someone tell me if this isn't yet another idiotic  trip by MOP?

Lousy Wonderlic, would not go to the combine, not sure that he even had a "pro day" where he did things scouts want to see like those 20 and 30 yd out patterns...

Wow! Your knowledge of VY is outstanding. He DID go to the combine, he chose not to participate in the drills (just like quite a number of other players). You don't even know whether or not he had a pro day where he tried things the scouts wanted to see? What you know about VY wouldn't half fill a thimble. That is hilarious. This is clearly just another bash Vince thread.

Went to the combine but didn't participate...I studied for a test but opted not to take it and the teacher in good faith gave me an "A" anyways...is that what your saying?I watched plenty of VY in college. THis is not a VY bashing session.

 

[Hawk]

Before I go through any of the drivel in this thread:

Can someone tell me if this isn't yet another idiotic  trip by MOP?

Lousy Wonderlic, would not go to the combine, not sure that he even had a "pro day" where he did things scouts want to see like those 20 and 30 yd out patterns...

Wow! Your knowledge of VY is outstanding. He DID go to the combine, he chose not to participate in the drills (just like quite a number of other players). You don't even know whether or not he had a pro day where he tried things the scouts wanted to see? What you know about VY wouldn't half fill a thimble. That is hilarious. This is clearly just another bash Vince thread.

Went to the combine but didn't participate...I studied for a test but opted not to take it and the teacher in good faith gave me an "A" anyways...is that what your saying?I watched plenty of VY in college. THis is not a VY bashing session.

Just out of curiosity, how much of VY did you actually watch? Which games? Matt Leinart and Reggie Bush did not participate in combine drills either. So what? And VY, by the accounts I've seen, had a more impressive pro day than Leinart. Not sure you're paying attention.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Before I go through any of the drivel in this thread:

Can someone tell me if this isn't yet another idiotic  trip by MOP?

Lousy Wonderlic, would not go to the combine, not sure that he even had a "pro day" where he did things scouts want to see like those 20 and 30 yd out patterns...

Wow! Your knowledge of VY is outstanding. He DID go to the combine, he chose not to participate in the drills (just like quite a number of other players). You don't even know whether or not he had a pro day where he tried things the scouts wanted to see? What you know about VY wouldn't half fill a thimble. That is hilarious. This is clearly just another bash Vince thread.

Went to the combine but didn't participate...I studied for a test but opted not to take it and the teacher in good faith gave me an "A" anyways...is that what your saying?I watched plenty of VY in college. THis is not a VY bashing session.

Just out of curiosity, how much of VY did you actually watch? Which games? Matt Leinart and Reggie Bush did not participate in combine drills either. So what? And VY, by the accounts I've seen, had a more impressive pro day than Leinart. Not sure you're paying attention.

Ohio St, USC, OK, OK St, Big Xii ...probably didn't watch every bead of sweat that poured off his arms and legs like you did...and the same scouts have not watched every single snap he took...there might be sevral scouts that collectively for an NFL team watched all his snaps...get real.What is your point?

Reggie Bush has shown everything needed to succeed at the next level. How many other RB have been taken #1? OJ Simpson and another to the best of my knowledge...it doesn't happen often. Leinart may or may not be a better suited NFL Qb...however his former offensive coordinator is now at Tennessee and they are picking 3rd and also in need of a QB with McNair leaving.

With Young there are almost no takers in the top5...Oakland at 7th...than I asked where would he fall. Balt and Denver trickled in...if Baltimore got McNair via a trade or cut...I don't think they would take VY...probably look more for immediate results as they have some of the pieces in place and need a few key spots to return to the playoffs. Denver? I can't speak for the Broncos but I would think with 2 1st rounders they could significantly upgrade a playoff team rather than draft a project.

Oakland is probably naive enough to take him at #7 but if they don't and he starts to slide are you all going to moan and whine that he was selected outside the top10. Vince Young is great on EA Sports but i have serious doubts about him making it at the next level. Do you think he has the arm of a Culpepper coming out of college. CPepp played for UCF and I saw a lot of games he played living in Florida at the time and I knew he would have a big NFL impact and certainly Denny Green agreed. He took a talented team to the playoffs.

Who do you think Vince Young is most like going into the NFL?

 

[Ministry of Pain]

BTW: Why does not wearing VY pom poms and merely questioning his abilities at the next level constitute the scourging that others are wanting. It's gonna be a long summer if this is the kind of responses we are going to get.

People, please, instead of berating me to death, teach me the vast knowledge you possess.

If not than be prepared to get it slung back as fast as you try and dish it. I'm not sure why UT fans have to be up in arms about this. I'm a big Canesfan but I don't take it personally when people have doubts about certain UM players coming out of college.

Try to be objective folks. I don't hate Vince Young...I enjoyed watching him in both Rose Bowls and the the other games I got to watch...he was definitely worth tuning in for...that doesn't mean I think he will be a great NFL player.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Before I go through any of the drivel in this thread:

Can someone tell me if this isn't yet another idiotic  trip by MOP?

Lousy Wonderlic, would not go to the combine, not sure that he even had a "pro day" where he did things scouts want to see like those 20 and 30 yd out patterns...

Wow! Your knowledge of VY is outstanding. He DID go to the combine, he chose not to participate in the drills (just like quite a number of other players). You don't even know whether or not he had a pro day where he tried things the scouts wanted to see? What you know about VY wouldn't half fill a thimble. That is hilarious. This is clearly just another bash Vince thread.

Colin on ESPN in the morning reported shortly after the Rose Bowl that he would not be holding a pro day but would entertain individual workouts for teams and even those would come with stips...this was according to his agent.

 

[Colin Dowling]

I suspect that if he gets to 9, someone will trade up ahead of Arizona to select him. (Baltimore perhaps).

COlin

 

[the hairy scotsman]

Hey Ministry, take a look at these clips on VY's website.  Keeping in mind that for whatever reason, they do not have any clips from this last season except the Rose Bowl so they do not showcase his improved passing much, if you can watch all these and honestly tell me you don't think VY is deserving of being a high first round pick, then I don't know what to tell you.  Either you haven't watched a lot of football, or "moron" might be applicable after all. 

http://www.10vinceyoung.com/vytv.htm

Just watch his Freshman (2003) and Sophmore (2004) clips.  Then watch the two Rose Bowls.  Enough said.

Let's see, his wonderlic test from what I have read was terrible. This translates into not making great decisions in a "Pro Style" offense. His arm is questionable as he rarely had to make 20 and 30 yard outs in college. In the pros you have got to be able to throw on the money when the WR goes 20-30 yds and runs out to the sidelines...every coach, GM, scout will tell you that...it's critical and when you look at the NFL QBs that struggle doing this they tend to have problems with those throws. Guys like Manning, Favre, McNabb, McNair, Brady...they can all make that throw with relative ease. Young cannot do that yet so he is going to be a project.

I watched a bunch of college football and growing up in miami, being a Canes fan and than living in SoCal during this SC rebirth I would like to think I have seen many top college football games and prospects coming out of college the past 20 years. I think VY is an exciting college QB but I just think a lot of NFL teams are leery of investing real high on this guy. How come he isn' coming out before Leinart if he is that good? He will not be a top5 pick and might even be taken after Jay Cutler(who I also do not like that much).

Hawk...no point in arguing with MOP. It's clear from this post and others that facts are clearly of no interest to this dufus.Also, LMAO at all the "hick" talk. Isn't every state a "hick" state? I've spent time in something like 42 states and a dozen or so countries, and each had a substantial and evident "hick" population.

 

[the hairy scotsman]

Before I go through any of the drivel in this thread:

Can someone tell me if this isn't yet another idiotic  trip by MOP?

Lousy Wonderlic, would not go to the combine, not sure that he even had a "pro day" where he did things scouts want to see like those 20 and 30 yd out patterns...

Wow! Your knowledge of VY is outstanding. He DID go to the combine, he chose not to participate in the drills (just like quite a number of other players). You don't even know whether or not he had a pro day where he tried things the scouts wanted to see? What you know about VY wouldn't half fill a thimble. That is hilarious. This is clearly just another bash Vince thread.

Colin on ESPN in the morning reported shortly after the Rose Bowl that he would not be holding a pro day but would entertain individual workouts for teams and even those would come with stips...this was according to his agent.

MOP, let us know when you catch up with the rest of us, OK?

I'm not sure why UT fans have to be up in arms about this. I'm a big Canesfan but I don't take it personally when people have doubts about certain UM players coming out of college.

You sling ignorance and inaccuracies...that's why it offends people who know better. Then when we correct your drivel, we're nothing but homers? Okie dokie.

Doubts are one thing. Misinformation and disinformation are quite another.

He's a remarkable athlete who is less equipped to get into an NFL starting lineup than many other supposed 1st round talents simply because of the system he played in. He needs work, plain and simple.

Redman, do you know which NFL team the Texas pass offense is modelled after?

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Before I go through any of the drivel in this thread:

Can someone tell me if this isn't yet another idiotic  trip by MOP?

Lousy Wonderlic, would not go to the combine, not sure that he even had a "pro day" where he did things scouts want to see like those 20 and 30 yd out patterns...

Wow! Your knowledge of VY is outstanding. He DID go to the combine, he chose not to participate in the drills (just like quite a number of other players). You don't even know whether or not he had a pro day where he tried things the scouts wanted to see? What you know about VY wouldn't half fill a thimble. That is hilarious. This is clearly just another bash Vince thread.

Colin on ESPN in the morning reported shortly after the Rose Bowl that he would not be holding a pro day but would entertain individual workouts for teams and even those would come with stips...this was according to his agent.

MOP, let us know when you catch up with the rest of us, OK?

I'm not sure why UT fans have to be up in arms about this. I'm a big Canesfan but I don't take it personally when people have doubts about certain UM players coming out of college.

You sling ignorance and inaccuracies...that's why it offends people who know better. Then when we correct your drivel, we're nothing but homers? Okie dokie.

Doubts are one thing. Misinformation and disinformation are quite another.

His Pro Day did not show that he can throw in a West Coast Offense which ha sa lot of short passes...he had to go do individual workouts for the Texans, Titans, and others in the upcoming weeks...why the hate? Why can't anyone admit that this guy has serious question marks?There's another thread about his individual workouts.

 

[the hairy scotsman]

Before I go through any of the drivel in this thread:

Can someone tell me if this isn't yet another idiotic  trip by MOP?

Lousy Wonderlic, would not go to the combine, not sure that he even had a "pro day" where he did things scouts want to see like those 20 and 30 yd out patterns...

Wow! Your knowledge of VY is outstanding. He DID go to the combine, he chose not to participate in the drills (just like quite a number of other players). You don't even know whether or not he had a pro day where he tried things the scouts wanted to see? What you know about VY wouldn't half fill a thimble. That is hilarious. This is clearly just another bash Vince thread.

Colin on ESPN in the morning reported shortly after the Rose Bowl that he would not be holding a pro day but would entertain individual workouts for teams and even those would come with stips...this was according to his agent.

MOP, let us know when you catch up with the rest of us, OK?

I'm not sure why UT fans have to be up in arms about this. I'm a big Canesfan but I don't take it personally when people have doubts about certain UM players coming out of college.

You sling ignorance and inaccuracies...that's why it offends people who know better. Then when we correct your drivel, we're nothing but homers? Okie dokie.

Doubts are one thing. Misinformation and disinformation are quite another.

His Pro Day did not show that he can throw in a West Coast Offense which ha sa lot of short passes...he had to go do individual workouts for the Texans, Titans, and others in the upcoming weeks...why the hate? Why can't anyone admit that this guy has serious question marks?There's another thread about his individual workouts.

A minute ago you weren't even aware if he had a pro day...now you know how it went? Outstanding.

Were you aware that his private workouts were scheduled before he even worked out at the Texas pro day?

Were you also aware that he threw the whole "passing tree" successfully at that pro day? So...which WCO throws are left out of the scouting passing tree?

Were you also aware that at his subsequent private workouts, his ability to impress has not waned or waivered?

Why the hate? What hate are you referring to? If I disagree with you or correct your wild inaccuracies is that the same as hating you?

 

[SoloMatisse]

MOP-

Im on the record now officially saying that if Vince falls past the Raiders, I believe there is a 100% chance he'll fall no further than 10 to AZ. It would be a good fit with an old QB in Warner and a young nucleus in Boldin and Fitz in place. Throw in a new stadium with alot of seats to fill and a coach who likes this type of player. Its a no brainer.

 

[Gargoylez]

MOP-

Im on the record now officially saying that if Vince falls past the Raiders, I believe there is a 100% chance he'll fall no further than 10 to AZ. It would be a good fit with an old QB in Warner and a young nucleus in Boldin and Fitz in place. Throw in a new stadium with alot of seats to fill and a coach who likes this type of player. Its a no brainer.

Raiders, to me, is the choice, but like solo said, Young would fill the seats NEXT year, Edge is going to fill them this year. If he drops past Arizona, (highly unlikely) I for one would be amazed. Denver would definately go after him IMO.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Before I go through any of the drivel in this thread:

Can someone tell me if this isn't yet another idiotic trip by MOP?

Lousy Wonderlic, would not go to the combine, not sure that he even had a "pro day" where he did things scouts want to see like those 20 and 30 yd out patterns...

Wow! Your knowledge of VY is outstanding. He DID go to the combine, he chose not to participate in the drills (just like quite a number of other players). You don't even know whether or not he had a pro day where he tried things the scouts wanted to see? What you know about VY wouldn't half fill a thimble. That is hilarious. This is clearly just another bash Vince thread.

Colin on ESPN in the morning reported shortly after the Rose Bowl that he would not be holding a pro day but would entertain individual workouts for teams and even those would come with stips...this was according to his agent.

MOP, let us know when you catch up with the rest of us, OK?

I'm not sure why UT fans have to be up in arms about this. I'm a big Canesfan but I don't take it personally when people have doubts about certain UM players coming out of college.

You sling ignorance and inaccuracies...that's why it offends people who know better. Then when we correct your drivel, we're nothing but homers? Okie dokie.

Doubts are one thing. Misinformation and disinformation are quite another.

His Pro Day did not show that he can throw in a West Coast Offense which ha sa lot of short passes...he had to go do individual workouts for the Texans, Titans, and others in the upcoming weeks...why the hate? Why can't anyone admit that this guy has serious question marks?There's another thread about his individual workouts.

A minute ago you weren't even aware if he had a pro day...now you know how it went? Outstanding.

Were you aware that his private workouts were scheduled before he even worked out at the Texas pro day?

Were you also aware that he threw the whole "passing tree" successfully at that pro day? So...which WCO throws are left out of the scouting passing tree?

Were you also aware that at his subsequent private workouts, his ability to impress has not waned or waivered?

Why the hate? What hate are you referring to? If I disagree with you or correct your wild inaccuracies is that the same as hating you?

That's BS, now you're simply trying the 1 up on me till I stop reposting...there is no convincing a UT fan that this guy has any question marks but Ia ssure you this thread will get bumped in a couple years when he the excuses start rolling out...how can you be considered objective on any level...you can't.

 

[the hairy scotsman]

Before I go through any of the drivel in this thread:

Can someone tell me if this isn't yet another idiotic  trip by MOP?

Lousy Wonderlic, would not go to the combine, not sure that he even had a "pro day" where he did things scouts want to see like those 20 and 30 yd out patterns...

Wow! Your knowledge of VY is outstanding. He DID go to the combine, he chose not to participate in the drills (just like quite a number of other players). You don't even know whether or not he had a pro day where he tried things the scouts wanted to see? What you know about VY wouldn't half fill a thimble. That is hilarious. This is clearly just another bash Vince thread.

Colin on ESPN in the morning reported shortly after the Rose Bowl that he would not be holding a pro day but would entertain individual workouts for teams and even those would come with stips...this was according to his agent.

MOP, let us know when you catch up with the rest of us, OK?

I'm not sure why UT fans have to be up in arms about this. I'm a big Canesfan but I don't take it personally when people have doubts about certain UM players coming out of college.

You sling ignorance and inaccuracies...that's why it offends people who know better. Then when we correct your drivel, we're nothing but homers? Okie dokie.

Doubts are one thing. Misinformation and disinformation are quite another.

His Pro Day did not show that he can throw in a West Coast Offense which ha sa lot of short passes...he had to go do individual workouts for the Texans, Titans, and others in the upcoming weeks...why the hate? Why can't anyone admit that this guy has serious question marks?There's another thread about his individual workouts.

A minute ago you weren't even aware if he had a pro day...now you know how it went? Outstanding.

Were you aware that his private workouts were scheduled before he even worked out at the Texas pro day?

Were you also aware that he threw the whole "passing tree" successfully at that pro day? So...which WCO throws are left out of the scouting passing tree?

Were you also aware that at his subsequent private workouts, his ability to impress has not waned or waivered?

Why the hate? What hate are you referring to? If I disagree with you or correct your wild inaccuracies is that the same as hating you?

That's BS, now you're simply trying the 1 up on me till I stop reposting...there is no convincing a UT fan that this guy has any question marks but Ia ssure you this thread will get bumped in a couple years when he the excuses start rolling out...how can you be considered objective on any level...you can't.

This is about the level of response I expected...basically none at all.BTW, exactly which part is "BS"?

 

[Assani Fisher]

Don't count out the Bills for Young, or any of the 3 QBs for that matter. Losman is garbage & the other guys are just fillers. Buffalo could really use a cornerstone with some star power as well.

How did Eli Manning look in his first year?You don't give up on first round draft pick QBs after one year starting.

 

[Assani Fisher]

You're all missing the point.  Nothing of what anyone here thinks about Young matters.  The dude will get drafted in the first round.  Period.

MOP is either fishing here or he's simply just an idiot.

Great insight, look forward to reading some threads of yours

In all seriousness, I will give you 5-1 odds. I take he goes in the first, you get 5-1 on your money. We can even put in a stipulation that the bet only counts if he is still available after the Raiders pick.So, if you truly believe this is a possibility, you can't pass up these odds. And if the Raiders take him, you have nothing to worry about.

I'll give you 20-1 odds.

 

[Assani Fisher]

BTW: Why does not wearing VY pom poms and merely questioning his abilities at the next level constitute the scourging that others are wanting. It's gonna be a long summer if this is the kind of responses we are going to get.

People, please, instead of berating me to death, teach me the vast knowledge you possess.

If not than be prepared to get it slung back as fast as you try and dish it. I'm not sure why UT fans have to be up in arms about this. I'm a big Canesfan but I don't take it personally when people have doubts about certain UM players coming out of college.

Try to be objective folks. I don't hate Vince Young...I enjoyed watching him in both Rose Bowls and the the other games I got to watch...he was definitely worth tuning in for...that doesn't mean I think he will be a great NFL player.

 

[Assani Fisher]

Before I go through any of the drivel in this thread:

Can someone tell me if this isn't yet another idiotic  trip by MOP?

Lousy Wonderlic, would not go to the combine, not sure that he even had a "pro day" where he did things scouts want to see like those 20 and 30 yd out patterns...

Wow! Your knowledge of VY is outstanding. He DID go to the combine, he chose not to participate in the drills (just like quite a number of other players). You don't even know whether or not he had a pro day where he tried things the scouts wanted to see? What you know about VY wouldn't half fill a thimble. That is hilarious. This is clearly just another bash Vince thread.

Colin on ESPN in the morning reported shortly after the Rose Bowl that he would not be holding a pro day but would entertain individual workouts for teams and even those would come with stips...this was according to his agent.

MOP, let us know when you catch up with the rest of us, OK?

I'm not sure why UT fans have to be up in arms about this. I'm a big Canesfan but I don't take it personally when people have doubts about certain UM players coming out of college.

You sling ignorance and inaccuracies...that's why it offends people who know better. Then when we correct your drivel, we're nothing but homers? Okie dokie.

Doubts are one thing. Misinformation and disinformation are quite another.

His Pro Day did not show that he can throw in a West Coast Offense which ha sa lot of short passes...he had to go do individual workouts for the Texans, Titans, and others in the upcoming weeks...why the hate? Why can't anyone admit that this guy has serious question marks?There's another thread about his individual workouts.

A minute ago you weren't even aware if he had a pro day...now you know how it went? Outstanding.

Were you aware that his private workouts were scheduled before he even worked out at the Texas pro day?

Were you also aware that he threw the whole "passing tree" successfully at that pro day? So...which WCO throws are left out of the scouting passing tree?

Were you also aware that at his subsequent private workouts, his ability to impress has not waned or waivered?

Why the hate? What hate are you referring to? If I disagree with you or correct your wild inaccuracies is that the same as hating you?

That's BS, now you're simply trying the 1 up on me till I stop reposting...there is no convincing a UT fan that this guy has any question marks but Ia ssure you this thread will get bumped in a couple years when he the excuses start rolling out...how can you be considered objective on any level...you can't.

In a couple of years? What does that have to do with anything?Nobody is saying that hes sure not to bust. Everybody(except you) is saying that his potential is so great that hes sure to be taken in the first round.

The results years from now really have nothing to do with it.

 

[Warehouse Nasty]

You're all missing the point.  Nothing of what anyone here thinks about Young matters.  The dude will get drafted in the first round.  Period.

MOP is either fishing here or he's simply just an idiot.

Great insight, look forward to reading some threads of yours

In all seriousness, I will give you 5-1 odds. I take he goes in the first, you get 5-1 on your money. We can even put in a stipulation that the bet only counts if he is still available after the Raiders pick.So, if you truly believe this is a possibility, you can't pass up these odds. And if the Raiders take him, you have nothing to worry about.

I'll give you 20-1 odds.

30-1. Do I hear 40?

 

[Warehouse Nasty]

Before I go through any of the drivel in this thread:

Can someone tell me if this isn't yet another idiotic  trip by MOP?

Lousy Wonderlic, would not go to the combine, not sure that he even had a "pro day" where he did things scouts want to see like those 20 and 30 yd out patterns...

Wow! Your knowledge of VY is outstanding. He DID go to the combine, he chose not to participate in the drills (just like quite a number of other players). You don't even know whether or not he had a pro day where he tried things the scouts wanted to see? What you know about VY wouldn't half fill a thimble. That is hilarious. This is clearly just another bash Vince thread.

Colin on ESPN in the morning reported shortly after the Rose Bowl that he would not be holding a pro day but would entertain individual workouts for teams and even those would come with stips...this was according to his agent.

MOP, let us know when you catch up with the rest of us, OK?

I'm not sure why UT fans have to be up in arms about this. I'm a big Canesfan but I don't take it personally when people have doubts about certain UM players coming out of college.

You sling ignorance and inaccuracies...that's why it offends people who know better. Then when we correct your drivel, we're nothing but homers? Okie dokie.

Doubts are one thing. Misinformation and disinformation are quite another.

His Pro Day did not show that he can throw in a West Coast Offense which ha sa lot of short passes...he had to go do individual workouts for the Texans, Titans, and others in the upcoming weeks...why the hate? Why can't anyone admit that this guy has serious question marks?There's another thread about his individual workouts.

A minute ago you weren't even aware if he had a pro day...now you know how it went? Outstanding.

Were you aware that his private workouts were scheduled before he even worked out at the Texas pro day?

Were you also aware that he threw the whole "passing tree" successfully at that pro day? So...which WCO throws are left out of the scouting passing tree?

Were you also aware that at his subsequent private workouts, his ability to impress has not waned or waivered?

Why the hate? What hate are you referring to? If I disagree with you or correct your wild inaccuracies is that the same as hating you?

That's BS, now you're simply trying the 1 up on me till I stop reposting...there is no convincing a UT fan that this guy has any question marks but Ia ssure you this thread will get bumped in a couple years when he the excuses start rolling out...how can you be considered objective on any level...you can't.

In a couple of years? What does that have to do with anything?Nobody is saying that hes sure not to bust. Everybody(except you) is saying that his potential is so great that hes sure to be taken in the first round.

The results years from now really have nothing to do with it.

MOP, what you don't seem to be able to understand, which is dumbfounding because it's your own thread, is that the issue here isn't how good he's going to be in the pros. You were posing the possibilty of him falling to the 2nd round and frankly, that's just not going to happen.This is a topic about where he will be drafted, not how good he will be. Come on dude, YOU started the thread.