If the Texans Are Serious About Taking (1 Viewer)

[jetsman]

Ref Hes also the reason the J-E-T-S wont move up, He's Mangini's Choice too

 

[3nOut]

So here's the latest:

Texans | Choice narrowed to Bush or WilliamsWed, 26 Apr 2006 13:01:29 -0700The Associated Press reports Houston Texans general manager Charlie Casserly has announced that the team will select either USC RB Reggie Bush or North Carolina St. DE Mario Williams with the first pick in the 2006 NFL Draft. Casserly also dismissed the option of trading out of the first pick in the draft. "Right now we have nobody interested in that first pick, so we have gone ahead and begun negotiations with two players," Casserly said.

Now that we know he's not trading the pick, what happens IF the Texans don't take him? Will NO really take him or trade the pick? To who? What would Bush's value be in NO with Deuce there? Who could trade up for him?

 

[KingPrawn]

So here's the latest:

Texans | Choice narrowed to Bush or Williams

Wed, 26 Apr 2006 13:01:29 -0700

The Associated Press reports Houston Texans general manager Charlie Casserly has announced that the team will select either USC RB Reggie Bush or North Carolina St. DE Mario Williams with the first pick in the 2006 NFL Draft. Casserly also dismissed the option of trading out of the first pick in the draft. "Right now we have nobody interested in that first pick, so we have gone ahead and begun negotiations with two players," Casserly said.

Now that we know he's not trading the pick, what happens IF the Texans don't take him? Will NO really take him or trade the pick? To who? What would Bush's value be in NO with Deuce there? Who could trade up for him?

They don't have to trade the pick. They can select Bush and then trade the player to a team with a top five pick and still obtain an impact player in the draft and obtain additional picks. No?

 

[helix]

Looks like quite a contract. Good for him.

Texans | R. Bush contract expected to come tomorrow

Wed, 26 Apr 2006 16:55:36 -0700

Adam Schefter, of the NFL Network, reports USC RB Reggie Bush is expected to receive a contract exceeding six years and $49 million.

 

[Jason Wood]

Looks like quite a contract. Good for him.

Texans | R. Bush contract expected to come tomorrow

Wed, 26 Apr 2006 16:55:36 -0700

Adam Schefter, of the NFL Network, reports USC RB Reggie Bush is expected to receive a contract exceeding six years and $49 million.

The only numbers that really matter are the guaranteed money...The sticking point had been the notion that an RB isn't going to get the same money as a QB despite going #1 being offset by the 17% increase in the salary cap.

Alex Smith signed a 6-year, $49.5 million contract last year with $24 million in guarantees. Given the massive rise in the salary cap this year, it looks like Reggie probably took much less than his agent could've argued for were he a QB...but it's still a darn good payday.

 

[JaxBill]

Looks like quite a contract.  Good for him.

Texans | R. Bush contract expected to come tomorrow

Wed, 26 Apr 2006 16:55:36 -0700

Adam Schefter, of the NFL Network, reports USC RB Reggie Bush is expected to receive a contract exceeding six years and $49 million.

The only numbers that really matter are the guaranteed money...The sticking point had been the notion that an RB isn't going to get the same money as a QB despite going #1 being offset by the 17% increase in the salary cap.

Alex Smith signed a 6-year, $49.5 million contract last year with $24 million in guarantees. Given the massive rise in the salary cap this year, it looks like Reggie probably took much less than his agent could've argued for were he a QB...but it's still a darn good payday.

Jason, there's been talk at PFT about limits forced on rookie contract by the new CBA. I know PFT isn't your favorite source, but really it discusses a Houston Chronicle article. Apparently the new CBA isn't as rookie friendly as veteran friendly.

NO. 1 PICK CAN GET AT LEAST $27.64125 MILLION GUARANTEED

Okay, so maybe we weren't wrong after all.

On Tuesday morning, we took issue with a suggestion by John McClain of the Houston Chronicle that it would be impossible for the top pick in 2006 to get as much as $22 million in guaranteed money, even though the first overall pick in 2005 received $24 million in guaranteed cash.

On Tuesday night, we acknowledged that we were wrong and that McClain was right. (Tastes like chicken.)

But now that we've cleared up our remaining area of confusion regarding the manner in which the 25 percent rule applies to rookie deals, we'll acknowledge only that McClain was on the right track, but that his attempt to explain the situation was woefully incomplete.

Per a league source with experience negotiating the contracts of high first-round picks, the maximum guaranteed money of $21.2625 million to the first pick is premised upon the receipt of an option bonus that extends an initial five-year deal to a six-year package. If the player is willing to forgo an option bonus and thus sign a straight six-year deal, the maximum amount of guaranteed money that can be paid shoots to $27.64125 million.

The downside for the player, however, is that $6.37875 million of the guaranteed money won't be paid out until 2011. In fact, a whopping $17.01 million under such a deal would be paid out after January 1, 2009, and the present value of that money would be significantly lower.

Still, if the player wants maximum "guaranteed" money beyond the $24 million that Smith received in 2005, there's a way to get it. But the player will simply have to wait until 2011 in order to pocket it all.

And as we explained on Tuesday night, there are other ways to funnel lots of money to the player without calling it "guaranteed."

Bottom line -- if the guy taken with the No. 1 overall pick wants his contract to reflect the 20 percent jump in the salary cap under the new CBA, there's a new way to make it happen, even with only a five-percent bump in the rookie pool.

and an earlier post with more explanation

NEW CBA CAPS GUARANTEED ROOKIE MONEY

As anyone who has been frequenting this site for, say, a week well knows, we're not afraid to admit when we are wrong. (It's good to be the boss. What am I going to do, cut myself?)

Earlier on Tuesday, we threw a handful of pig poo at John McClain of the Houston Chronicle for his seemingly implausible (and homerish) suggestion that there's no way that the Texans can pay the No. 1 overall pick in the 2006 draft that same $24 million in guaranteed coin that quarterback Alex Smith received from the 49ers as the first selection in 2005.

Although under the penultimate year of the old CBA and the first year of the new CBA the signing bonus proration is five years, the difference is that the maximum length of contracts for the top half of round one has been cut from seven years to six.

Based on in-depth discussions with multiple agents who have negotiated high first-round picks, we have figured this thing out. We think. And at the risk of being called "nerds" by Ricky Manning and his posse (and then, of course, being beaten with one or more shoes), allow us to venture into the nuts and bolts of this one.

The problem arises from the rule that prevents teams from increasing the base salary (i.e., all of the money paid except the signing bonus) of the rookie by more than 25 percent of the first-year value in any later year.

Case in point, Smith's deal had a $1 million signing bonus, counting $200,000 against the 2005 cap. (The signing bonus was low precisely because of this issue.) The rest of Smith's $2.7 million rookie cap number came from a $500,00 salary and a $2 million roster bonus.

So based on $2.5 million in non-signing-bonus money paid in year one, the salary could climb by only $625,000 each year.

Because the new CBA calls for only a five-percent increase in the 2006 rookie pool (which is very low given the 20 percent bump in the salary cap), the 2006 allotment for the No. 1 pick will be $2.835. Assuming that he receives no signing bonus but instead gets a combination of minimum base salary ($275,000) and roster bonus ($2.56 million), the maximum earnings in 2007 will be $3.54375 million.

Increasing each subsequent year by the maximum of $708,750, the total take through five years -- and as we understand it the maximum that can be guaranteed -- would be $21.2625 million.

Apparently, the guaranteed amount can't be pushed any higher than $21.2625 million because the sixth year is the extra season triggered by the option bonus paid in year two. (We'll try to get more specifics on the reasons for this, since it appears that a player could choose to pass on an option bonus and take a guaranteed salary in year six of $6.37875 million, getting the total guaranteed money -- if all base salaries are guaranteed -- to more than $27.5 million.)

But the bigger point to keep in mind here is that there are other ways to funnel money to players that is essentially guaranteed, regardless of the operation of the 25 percent rule. Alex Smith's deal featured a ton of guaranteed money, but Braylon Edwards' contract had less guarantees but a big chunk of reasonably achievable incentive payments.

And that's why, we're told, only the Texans currently are wrestling with this issue. They are the team working off of Smith's deal, which had the $24 million in guaranteed money. The other deals at the top of round one had less in guarantees, but more in incentives.

But regardless of structure, the high-end rookies will still be handsomely paid, whether through guaranteed money or through so-called "falling off of a log" payments triggered by minimum playing time.

And as to the McClains point that it's "impossible" to have more than roughly $21 million, he's technically wrong. If a team chooses not to sign one or more of its other draft picks, the money otherwise paid to them in year one could be paid to the first-rounder, increasing above $2.83 million the basis for the application of the 25 percent rule.

Confused? Good. Think about that the next time you're inclined to complain one of the more comprehensible stuff that also happens to be made up.

 

[Jason Wood]

Looks like quite a contract.  Good for him.

Texans | R. Bush contract expected to come tomorrow

Wed, 26 Apr 2006 16:55:36 -0700

Adam Schefter, of the NFL Network, reports USC RB Reggie Bush is expected to receive a contract exceeding six years and $49 million.

The only numbers that really matter are the guaranteed money...The sticking point had been the notion that an RB isn't going to get the same money as a QB despite going #1 being offset by the 17% increase in the salary cap.

Alex Smith signed a 6-year, $49.5 million contract last year with $24 million in guarantees. Given the massive rise in the salary cap this year, it looks like Reggie probably took much less than his agent could've argued for were he a QB...but it's still a darn good payday.

Jason, there's been talk at PFT about limits forced on rookie contract by the new CBA. I know PFT isn't your favorite source, but really it discusses a Houston Chronicle article. Apparently the new CBA isn't as rookie friendly as veteran friendly.

NO. 1 PICK CAN GET AT LEAST $27.64125 MILLION GUARANTEED

Okay, so maybe we weren't wrong after all. 

On Tuesday morning, we took issue with a suggestion by John McClain of the Houston Chronicle that it would be impossible for the top pick in 2006 to get as much as $22 million in guaranteed money, even though the first overall pick in 2005 received $24 million in guaranteed cash.

On Tuesday night, we acknowledged that we were wrong and that McClain was right.  (Tastes like chicken.)

But now that we've cleared up our remaining area of confusion regarding the manner in which the 25 percent rule applies to rookie deals, we'll acknowledge only that McClain was on the right track, but that his attempt to explain the situation was woefully incomplete.

Per a league source with experience negotiating the contracts of high first-round picks, the maximum guaranteed money of $21.2625 million to the first pick is premised upon the receipt of an option bonus that extends an initial five-year deal to a six-year package.  If the player is willing to forgo an option bonus and thus sign a straight six-year deal, the maximum amount of guaranteed money that can be paid shoots to $27.64125 million.

The downside for the player, however, is that $6.37875 million of the guaranteed money won't be paid out until 2011.  In fact, a whopping $17.01 million under such a deal would be paid out after January 1, 2009, and the present value of that money would be significantly lower.

Still, if the player wants maximum "guaranteed" money beyond the $24 million that Smith received in 2005, there's a way to get it.  But the player will simply have to wait until 2011 in order to pocket it all.

And as we explained on Tuesday night, there are other ways to funnel lots of money to the player without calling it "guaranteed."

Bottom line -- if the guy taken with the No. 1 overall pick wants his contract to reflect the 20 percent jump in the salary cap under the new CBA, there's a new way to make it happen, even with only a five-percent bump in the rookie pool.

and an earlier post with more explanation

NEW CBA CAPS GUARANTEED ROOKIE MONEY

As anyone who has been frequenting this site for, say, a week well knows, we're not afraid to admit when we are wrong.  (It's good to be the boss.  What am I going to do, cut myself?)

Earlier on Tuesday, we threw a handful of pig poo at John McClain of the Houston Chronicle for his seemingly implausible (and homerish) suggestion that there's no way that the Texans can pay the No. 1 overall pick in the 2006 draft that same $24 million in guaranteed coin that quarterback Alex Smith received from the 49ers as the first selection in 2005.

Although under the penultimate year of the old CBA and the first year of the new CBA the signing bonus proration is five years, the difference is that the maximum length of contracts for the top half of round one has been cut from seven years to six. 

Based on in-depth discussions with multiple agents who have negotiated high first-round picks, we have figured this thing out.  We think.  And at the risk of being called "nerds" by Ricky Manning and his posse (and then, of course, being beaten with one or more shoes), allow us to venture into the nuts and bolts of this one. 

The problem arises from the rule that prevents teams from increasing the base salary (i.e., all of the money paid except the signing bonus) of the rookie by more than 25 percent of the first-year value in any later year.

Case in point, Smith's deal had a $1 million signing bonus, counting $200,000 against the 2005 cap.  (The signing bonus was low precisely because of this issue.)  The rest of Smith's $2.7 million rookie cap number came from a $500,00 salary and a $2 million roster bonus.

So based on $2.5 million in non-signing-bonus money paid in year one, the salary could climb by only $625,000 each year. 

Because the new CBA calls for only a five-percent increase in the 2006 rookie pool (which is very low given the 20 percent bump in the salary cap), the 2006 allotment for the No. 1 pick will be $2.835.  Assuming that he receives no signing bonus but instead gets a combination of minimum base salary ($275,000) and roster bonus ($2.56 million), the maximum earnings in 2007 will be $3.54375 million.

Increasing each subsequent year by the maximum of $708,750, the total take through five years -- and as we understand it the maximum that can be guaranteed -- would be $21.2625 million. 

Apparently, the guaranteed amount can't be pushed any higher than $21.2625 million because the sixth year is the extra season triggered by the option bonus paid in year two.  (We'll try to get more specifics on the reasons for this, since it appears that a player could choose to pass on an option bonus and take a guaranteed salary in year six of $6.37875 million, getting the total guaranteed money -- if all base salaries are guaranteed -- to more than $27.5 million.) 

But the bigger point to keep in mind here is that there are other ways to funnel money to players that is essentially guaranteed, regardless of the operation of the 25 percent rule.  Alex Smith's deal featured a ton of guaranteed money, but Braylon Edwards' contract had less guarantees but a big chunk of reasonably achievable incentive payments. 

And that's why, we're told, only the Texans currently are wrestling with this issue.  They are the team working off of Smith's deal, which had the $24 million in guaranteed money.  The other deals at the top of round one had less in guarantees, but more in incentives.

But regardless of structure, the high-end rookies will still be handsomely paid, whether through guaranteed money or through so-called "falling off of a log" payments triggered by minimum playing time.

And as to the McClains point that it's "impossible" to have more than roughly $21 million, he's technically wrong.  If a team chooses not to sign one or more of its other draft picks, the money otherwise paid to them in year one could be paid to the first-rounder, increasing above $2.83 million the basis for the application of the 25 percent rule.

Confused?  Good.  Think about that the next time you're inclined to complain one of the more comprehensible stuff that also happens to be made up.

Thanks for the links diesel, I hadn't realized the rookie pool only increased 5%. In that case, presuming Bush lands similar guarantees to what Smith received, that's a solid haul given he plays RB.

 

[3nOut]

So here's the latest:

Texans | Choice narrowed to Bush or Williams

Wed, 26 Apr 2006 13:01:29 -0700

The Associated Press reports Houston Texans general manager Charlie Casserly has announced that the team will select either USC RB Reggie Bush or North Carolina St. DE Mario Williams with the first pick in the 2006 NFL Draft. Casserly also dismissed the option of trading out of the first pick in the draft. "Right now we have nobody interested in that first pick, so we have gone ahead and begun negotiations with two players," Casserly said.

Now that we know he's not trading the pick, what happens IF the Texans don't take him? Will NO really take him or trade the pick? To who? What would Bush's value be in NO with Deuce there? Who could trade up for him?

I heard on Mike & Mike today that IF Houston does NOT take Bush, that NO would trade their #2 pick away. Likely suitors would be Denver and the Jets. We all know that Bush's value in Denver would be astronomical, but what would Bush's value be in NY this year? Would Martin continue to be the horse while Bush sits on the bench? WOuld it be RBBC? If its RBBC, then both Bush's and Martin's values plunge this year until Martin retires. Thoughts?

 

[Bevo]

The Saints would run, not walk to the podium to take Reggie Bush IMHO.

For what it's worth, Mort was asked this very question and said there's absolutely no question the Saints would grab Bush.

I really don't think that's such a no brainer.

Didn't the Saints just sign Michael Lewis to a 3 year deal? Bush certianly wouldn't be a return man for them.Duece signed a 7 year contract extension last year for huge money. The Saints take D'Brick or someone crashes down their door with a trade offer.

Or the Saints take Bush and work out a post-pick trade. I just don't see Bush going anywhere but #1 so I don't think there is more than about a one in ten thousand chace in this happening. Interesting mind game, but it ain't gonna happen.

 

[redman]

there's absolutely no question the Saints would grab Bush.

 

[The Hank]

Other than Jason Sehorn (in frikkin preseason) I can't remember the last time a returner suffered a serious injury while returning kicks. I also remember that when Sehorn got hurt, a bunch of studies were cited showing that returners are actually much less likely to get hurt than RBs.

Elite offensive players who returned kicks for all or some of their careers included:

Andre Reed

Troy Brown

Santana Moss

Terrance Mathis

Derrick Mason

Tim Brown

Brian Westbrook

Warrick Dunn

I'm sure there are plenty others I've forgotten.

Marvin Harrison