If They Start It, We Should Throw Them All In Jail (1 Viewer)

[rockaction]

I was thinking about the deep fissures in the civil discourse, especially those people who have their realities shaped by either OAN, Fox News or CNN and MSNBC. Was thinking about a high school reunion with some old friends, friends that would be aghast at either side's complaints, either side's laments.

Perhaps it's just that it's late, or thoughts are just roiling in my head, but for my money, there's such a deep fissure that it seems like a civil war. It seems like the sort of Proud Boys apologists and the guys who chime in every time about Antifa = idea deserve each other. But that doesn't mean, like in Portland, that we should have violence in our streets. No, it means that we should have enough faith in our systems and the courage of our convictions to throw the purveyors of violence against other citizens or the press in jail where they belong.

If it happens on a grand scale, jail.

If it happens to be one side is more at fault, so be it. Jail.

Too many of our ordinary folk that see fit to get vaccines, see fit to have some sort of faith in our institutions, see fit to check military and police overreach with civilian checks exist to let this all go to waste.

I read the PSF every day and read true divisions. I'm thinking that I don't want to be in any lot with most of you. In fact, I don't really like most of your arguments, your problems. They're trivial, and stupid.

I was thinking that it would be better if half of you were put out to pasture, and if not that, jail.

That's all.

 

[Dickies]

Which half?

 

[rockaction]

Which half?

There's something beautiful in telling an audience that, isn't there?

I only speak under the condition of anony...wait, that doesn't do me any good here, does it?

 

[dutch]

When even your 80 year old level headed reasonable mom chooses sides you know a spits gone too far. 

 

[tommyGunZ]

Rock is such an enigma. A brilliant mind, but still equating CNN with Fox.  

 

[dkp993]

 

[GordonGekko]

If it happens on a grand scale, jail.

If it happens to be one side is more at fault, so be it. Jail.

I read the PSF every day and read true divisions. I'm thinking that I don't want to be in any lot with most of you. In fact, I don't really like most of your arguments, your problems. They're trivial, and stupid.

I was thinking that it would be better if half of you were put out to pasture, and if not that, jail.

That's all.

VIDEO: The WIRE : Landsman Rawls McNulty Aug 23, 2011

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFg4bhBV7pk

*******

You are a good poster, rockaction.

The issue I see if you want a solution that still exists "within our system" but would not be effective in a logistical and legal manner within our system.

You want blood without the reputation of wanting blood.

Be outcome independent and things won't bother you so much. The truth is if you become outcome independent, nothing will ever bother you again.

There's nothing wrong with wholesale slaughter for political gain. It's been used all throughout human history to achieve political ends. But there needs to be a functional, logistical and practical pathway for it's utility, otherwise it's just an extension of unchecked rage.

You're a McNulty. It's not your fault. You're an addict. It's a tragedy. What makes you an addict is also what makes you interesting. If it's any consolation, most people are boring. No matter what, I like you rock, you are a good egg.

 

[FairWarning]

When even your 80 year old level headed reasonable mom chooses sides you know a spits gone too far. 

I can top that - my 86-YO mother was asked in ER why she was there by the doctor - she said because you people didn’t listen to Trump and stand up for the flag.  She equates the masks with the Democrats. 

 

[Max Power]

I was thinking concentration camps, but I guess jails work.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

I was thinking about the deep fissures in the civil discourse, especially those people who have their realities shaped by either OAN, Fox News or CNN and MSNBC. Was thinking about a high school reunion with some old friends, friends that would be aghast at either side's complaints, either side's laments.

Perhaps it's just that it's late, or thoughts are just roiling in my head, but for my money, there's such a deep fissure that it seems like a civil war. It seems like the sort of Proud Boys apologists and the guys who chime in every time about Antifa = idea deserve each other. But that doesn't mean, like in Portland, that we should have violence in our streets. No, it means that we should have enough faith in our systems and the courage of our convictions to throw the purveyors of violence against other citizens or the press in jail where they belong.

If it happens on a grand scale, jail.

If it happens to be one side is more at fault, so be it. Jail.

This should be an uncontroversial position, yet we have a difficult time keeping Weathermen in jail and I notice more and more of this "political prisoner" nonsense connected to the 1/6 riot.  Political violence is always cute when our tribe is doing it.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Rock is such an enigma. A brilliant mind, but still equating CNN with Fox.  

Have you actually looked at CNN recently?

(To be fair, I haven't watched a second of Fox News in probably 10+ years.  If it's gone further off the rails, I'll take your word on it.  But 2021 CNN seems basically indistinguishable from the Fox News I remember from the early 2000s.)

 

[rockaction]

VIDEO: The WIRE : Landsman Rawls McNulty Aug 23, 2011

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFg4bhBV7pk

*******

You are a good poster, rockaction.

The issue I see if you want a solution that still exists "within our system" but would not be effective in a logistical and legal manner within our system.

You want blood without the reputation of wanting blood.

Be outcome independent and things won't bother you so much. The truth is if you become outcome independent, nothing will ever bother you again.

There's nothing wrong with wholesale slaughter for political gain. It's been used all throughout human history to achieve political ends. But there needs to be a functional, logistical and practical pathway for it's utility, otherwise it's just an extension of unchecked rage.

You're a McNulty. It's not your fault. You're an addict. It's a tragedy. What makes you an addict is also what makes you interesting. If it's any consolation, most people are boring. No matter what, I like you rock, you are a good egg.

There's a reason I used "put out to pasture" instead of wholesale slaughter. Stripping people who would otherwise commit violence or not recognize a regime as legitimate of their immediate rights is different than full-scale execution. You are making some big leaps there. I am talking about retaliatory measures towards the completely uncivil; those that would war against the current system should be dispossessed of their means to do so.

The current system values autonomy and self-recognition. It does so with limits. When these limits are no longer respected, the system has remedies. I am saying to use those remedies. Hence, "jail" vs. slaughter.

You, Gekko, are also a good poster but do not realize that individual whim and individual conscience exists but for natural right or grants from the sovereign state. Natural right, properly understood, is not about wearing masks, vaccinations, stopping the steal, puberty blockers for all, no borders for anybody, slaughter abroad. These things are determined by votes, by political representatives. Not heeding these representatives makes one an enemy of the state, an enemy of me.

You, Gekko, take the side of individual conscience run amok. One side, that is. Now, that is fine for you, fine for your godson. But it is not fine for the gander. Your lengthy posts have nuggets of wisdom, but I'm afraid they mistake freedom with freedom run riot, with emphasis on apologies for the latter.

That is all.

 

[rockaction]

This should be an uncontroversial position, yet we have a difficult time keeping Weathermen in jail and I notice more and more of this "political prisoner" nonsense connected to the 1/6 riot.  Political violence is always cute when our tribe is doing it.

Yes, but you haven't answered the important question, Ivan: Can you punch a Nazi?

 

[rockaction]

Which half?

This was too funny last night.

My friend, who is a serious pollster for the Republican Party (Gekko raps on Parler, I have actual friends in the movement) told me this in July on Facebook (yes, Facebook has its utility -- he tags me in relevant posts and we still keep in touch that way about politics and family. It's weird, but true). He told me he didn't know who would win, that the election was way too close to call, but he told me one thing that rings out, something that I didn't take seriously until I re-read what he said back in February. He told me this, almost word for word. "___," he said. "I don't know who will win, but I know that whatever happens, half of each side will see it as illegitimate." That stuck with me, and given the Time article we read about protests in the offing and the actual events of 1/6, followed by Republican intransigence, I believe him.

So a serious answer to your question.

Half of one half and half of the other.

 

[rockaction]

Lol.

 

[Dickies]

This was too funny last night.

My friend, who is a serious pollster for the Republican Party (Gekko raps on Parler, I have actual friends in the movement) told me this in July on Facebook (yes, Facebook has its utility -- he tags me in relevant posts and we still keep in touch that way about politics and family. It's weird, but true). He told me he didn't know who would win, that the election was way too close to call, but he told me one thing that rings out, something that I didn't take seriously until I re-read what he said back in February. He told me this, almost word for word. "___," he said. "I don't know who will win, but I know that whatever happens, half of each side will see it as illegitimate." That stuck with me, and given the Time article we read about protests in the offing and the actual events of 1/6, followed by Republican intransigence, I believe him.

So a serious answer to your question.

Half of one half and half of the other.

Not sure I believe that. I didn’t hear Dems in 2016 claim the election was illegitimate nor did I hear any claims in 2020 that if Biden lost it would be illegitimate. Contrast that to the GOP and it was a common narrative leading up to both elections that the only way Trump loses is widespread fraud. It wasn’t just Trump spreading this, it was prominent figures in conservative media and a non-insignificant part of Trump’s base.

 

[rockaction]

Not sure I believe that. I didn’t hear Dems in 2016 claim the election was illegitimate nor did I hear any claims in 2020 that if Biden lost it would be illegitimate. Contrast that to the GOP and it was a common narrative leading up to both elections that the only way Trump loses is widespread fraud. It wasn’t just Trump spreading this, it was prominent figures in conservative media and a non-insignificant part of Trump’s base.

I absolutely believe it. Not only is he a top guy in his field when it comes to public opinion, the tea leaves and the admissions are there. Read the Time article I referenced, and it will be clear that the left had street protests and violence planned in urban areas. That they then admitted as such to a major magazine to anybody who could read between the lines was such a gross misstep of media optics to those of us savvy in consumption of media. What you had in that article was not only an incredible admission and hubris, but an admission that there was a willingness to take overt action should Trump have won.

It was a tacit but clear admission that there was an organized left willing to violently protest a Trump win. I know you can cue the squistions of the world with naysaying that whole thing, but that ilk is who I'm talking about when I say I want nothing to do with as fellow citizens. The apologists deserve extreme skepticism and marginalization, the actors deserve jail. 

 

[Dickies]

I absolutely believe it. Not only is he a top guy in his field when it comes to public opinion, the tea leaves and the admissions are there. Read the Time article I referenced, and it will be clear that the left had street protests and violence planned in urban areas. That they then admitted as such to a major magazine to anybody who could read between the lines was such a gross misstep of media optics to those of us savvy in consumption of media. What you had in that article was not only an incredible admission and hubris, but an admission that there was a willingness to take overt action should Trump have won.

It was a tacit but clear admission that there was an organized left willing to violently protest a Trump win. I know you can cue the squistions of the world with naysaying that whole thing, but that ilk is who I'm talking about when I say I want nothing to do with as fellow citizens. The apologists deserve extreme skepticism and marginalization, the actors deserve jail. 

I don't doubt this to be true.  What I question is the degree to which it would have happened.  I don't think we would have seen a 1/6, and I don't think outlets like CNN or MSNBC would be calling to overturn an "illegitimate" election.  The crazies will do their thing, and it would be rejected/ignored by the mainstream Dems.  The problem right now as I see it is that the crazies are the current mainstream Republicans.  Your traditional McCain types are being labelled as RINOs and have been marginalized within the party.

 

[Grace Under Pressure]

Sides, division, extremism. All on the rise. All bad news. On "both sides".

The 3rd rail though, the line in the sand, whatever we call it, needs to be drawn with election legitimacy. I'm uncomfortable with "the election was stolen" no matter who does it. I believe Stacy Abrams did this in Georgia for the gubernatorial race. Very bad. Now, this is one of the two major parties platform. The "audits", the rush to change election laws, the "stop the steal" rallies. It's dangerous and pointing that out shouldn't be partisan. So if "the left was planning riots!" is true, shame on them and those bad actors. Again, very bad.

Also anyone engaging in violence and violent rhetoric should be charged accordingly. On "both sides". And to say this in a political forum would seem ironic, but Facebook and social media in general has been terrible for the discourse in this country. Everyone with an opinion, a hard take, a "look at the other side how awful they are", etc. It's not good. 

 

[CletiusMaximus]

So a serious answer to your question.

Half of one half and half of the other.

You could do it if you had all six infinity stones and the gauntlet.  *snap*

 

[E Street Brat]

I was thinking concentration camps, but I guess jails work.

Those Trump voters aren't going to re-program themselves

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Prison Warden MoP reporting for duty. 

-"You'll eat tuna when I tell you to eat tuna"

 

[tommyGunZ]

I don't doubt this to be true.  What I question is the degree to which it would have happened.  I don't think we would have seen a 1/6, and I don't think outlets like CNN or MSNBC would be calling to overturn an "illegitimate" election.  The crazies will do their thing, and it would be rejected/ignored by the mainstream Dems.  The problem right now as I see it is that the crazies are the current mainstream Republicans.  Your traditional McCain types are being labelled as RINOs and have been marginalized within the party.

Agree with a lot of this.  The "they would have done the same thing" crowd uses that unprovable assertion to justify bad faith and bad acting by their own people.  Republicans elect a TV gameshow grifter with zero public service experience and storm the capital.  When Democrats lost in 2016 Hillary conceded that night and attended the inauguration.  

But BOTH SIDES!!!  

 

[ekbeats]

At some point people will turn their eyes to the real protagonist here - media and social media.  Those industries thrive as the level of internal strife rises.

What we need is another movement like Turn on, tune in, drop out.  

 

[BladeRunner]

Rock is such an enigma. A brilliant mind, but still equating CNN with Fox.  

You're right - CNN is so much more gutter trash than Fox that it's not comparable.  Fox is so much better.

 

[dkp993]

You're right - CNN is so much more gutter trash than Fox that it's not comparable.  Fox is so much better.

Eh, it’s like saying a #### sandwich is better then a #### burger.   Either way you’re eating ####.   

 

[Ted Lange as your Bartender]

Agree with a lot of this.  The "they would have done the same thing" crowd uses that unprovable assertion to justify bad faith and bad acting by their own people.  Republicans elect a TV gameshow grifter with zero public service experience and storm the capital.  When Democrats lost in 2016 Hillary conceded that night and attended the inauguration.  

But BOTH SIDES!!!  

The discourse pre-Election night 2016 vs 2020 is light years different to the point that it might as well have been 50 years ago.  I’m no Trump fan, but Biden would have never conceded in a million years if he had lost.  The Dems were saying as much ahead of time.

 

[LawFitz]

I was thinking about the deep fissures in the civil discourse, especially those people who have their realities shaped by either OAN, Fox News or CNN and MSNBC. Was thinking about a high school reunion with some old friends, friends that would be aghast at either side's complaints, either side's laments.

Perhaps it's just that it's late, or thoughts are just roiling in my head, but for my money, there's such a deep fissure that it seems like a civil war. It seems like the sort of Proud Boys apologists and the guys who chime in every time about Antifa = idea deserve each other. But that doesn't mean, like in Portland, that we should have violence in our streets. No, it means that we should have enough faith in our systems and the courage of our convictions to throw the purveyors of violence against other citizens or the press in jail where they belong.

If it happens on a grand scale, jail.

If it happens to be one side is more at fault, so be it. Jail.

Too many of our ordinary folk that see fit to get vaccines, see fit to have some sort of faith in our institutions, see fit to check military and police overreach with civilian checks exist to let this all go to waste.

I read the PSF every day and read true divisions. I'm thinking that I don't want to be in any lot with most of you. In fact, I don't really like most of your arguments, your problems. They're trivial, and stupid.

I was thinking that it would be better if half of you were put out to pasture, and if not that, jail.

That's all.

Brother, you are in a spiral. As am I. We are both mere pons. Sadly, we are now likely to meet on the battlefield before our allotted time is done. Not literally with each other, but vs. our proxies. It pains me so much, but I will cry over our loss for only so long. Your post here is beyond ironic. It is painfully and extremely sad. Bless you. Sincerely. This post reeks of unkind but very real truths about your side. And mine. But the fundamental and uneasy question looms... Who exactly is treading on whom?

 

[Navin Johnson]

Have you actually looked at CNN recently?

(To be fair, I haven't watched a second of Fox News in probably 10+ years.  If it's gone further off the rails, I'll take your word on it.  But 2021 CNN seems basically indistinguishable from the Fox News I remember from the early 2000s.)

I haven't watched Fox in over 15 years, CNN in probably 10.  Therehave been times when I have been abroad and the only english news outlet available was CNN.  I find it hard to believe that Fox could be that much worse.  They are both hot garbage.

 

[Jackstraw]

Sides, division, extremism. All on the rise. All bad news. On "both sides".

The 3rd rail though, the line in the sand, whatever we call it, needs to be drawn with election legitimacy. I'm uncomfortable with "the election was stolen" no matter who does it. I believe Stacy Abrams did this in Georgia for the gubernatorial race. Very bad. Now, this is one of the two major parties platform. The "audits", the rush to change election laws, the "stop the steal" rallies. It's dangerous and pointing that out shouldn't be partisan. So if "the left was planning riots!" is true, shame on them and those bad actors. Again, very bad.

Also anyone engaging in violence and violent rhetoric should be charged accordingly. On "both sides". And to say this in a political forum would seem ironic, but Facebook and social media in general has been terrible for the discourse in this country. Everyone with an opinion, a hard take, a "look at the other side how awful they are", etc. It's not good. 

The Secretary of State who was running for Governor was actively purging voter roles of Democrats prior to his own election. 

In 2015, Kemp's office erroneously distributed the Social Security numbers and dates of birth of registered Georgia voters. During the 2016 election, Kemp was the only state official to reject help from the Department of Homeland Security to guard against Russian interference. Kemp also encountered criticism from voting rights advocates; from 2012 to 2018, Kemp's office cancelled more than 1.4 million voter registrations, and during the 2018 election, Kemp held up more than 53,000 voter registration applications, with nearly 70% of the voter registrations belonging to African Americans.[3] In 2018, Kemp was a candidate for governor where he faced Democratic nominee Stacey Abrams. Kemp refused to resign as secretary of state while campaigning for governor, which stirred controversy and accusations of abuse of power. Following the general election on November 6, Kemp was declared the winner with 50.2% of the vote. Abrams suspended her campaign on November 16 while maintaining that she believed he engaged in voter suppression.[4]

But yeah....bof sidez. 

 

[Summer Wheat]

I haven't watched Fox in over 15 years, CNN in probably 10.  Therehave been times when I have been abroad and the only english news outlet available was CNN.  I find it hard to believe that Fox could be that much worse.  They are both hot garbage.

Put them both in a pot, simmer and the soup will taste the same.

 

[rockaction]

Bump for the crowd that seems to think a civil war is imminent. This is what I think again. Oh, and sorry for taking shots at you guys later in the first post. You're all swell in my book, really. Just the constant division and justification of political violence gets to me.

 

[squistion]

I was thinking that it would be better if half of you were put out to pasture, and if not that, jail.

That's all.

That's all? I think that's enough. 

 

[rockaction]

That's all? I think that's enough. 

On the condition they either foment or participate in political violence.

 

[squistion]

On the condition they either foment or participate in political violence.

And you think half of us are capable of that? I really have seen no indication of that from comments in this forum. 

 

[rockaction]

And you think half of us are capable of that? I really have seen no indication of that from comments in this forum. 

I don't know, actually. I think a lot of people are so entrenched that they miss their side's political violence. It has to do with denying or justifying the events of Jan. 6th on one side -- or minimizing the event -- and it has to do with BLM and Antifa riots that lasted through the summer.

Consider me at a distance. I keep looking, and I all I can see are denials and excuses for political allies. I was perhaps being hyperbolic with the "half of you" comment. It seems that an awful lot of people are quick to condemn, not to look in the mirror.

I would argue for neutrally applied laws that apply to everybody. If those are violated in the name of political violence, I'll hold the door open to the cell. Nothing as trivial as our internal debates tend to be justifies civil war or political violence yet.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

Bump for the crowd that seems to think a civil war is imminent. This is what I think again. Oh, and sorry for taking shots at you guys later in the first post. You're all swell in my book, really. Just the constant division and justification of political violence gets to me.

I still think we're a far cry from 1968-70.  We have alot of keyboard warriors and opportunists, but not much actual dedication to a cause and willingness to do something about it.

 

[rockaction]

I still think we're a far cry from 1968-70.  We have alot of keyboard warriors and opportunists, but not much actual dedication to a cause and willingness to do something about it.

I think so, too. I wasn't alive then, but I see those protests in video and the mainstreaming of utterly radical ideologies in the late '60s, and it's what I told my brother, but we might also be underestimating the division caused by consuming two different sets of facts via each respective sides' media. That might eventually push situations and events into taking on the qualities that usually mark irreconcilable differences.

In addition to that, '68-'70 was largely one generation agitating. It seems like now that people of all ages and all walks of life are involved.

But I take your point and have said the same.

 

[GordonGekko]

Bump for the crowd that seems to think a civil war is imminent. ...

What is an immediately force multiplier situation for the identity politics strategy for the radical left?

You can cook certain things for elections regarding POTUS and Congress. But it's expensive and the long con is often complicated. SCOTUS is a entirely different story. Only 9 seats on that bench and replacements only happen with death or retirement.

The radical left simply needs to trigger the most "Pro Choice" fringe elements to bracket down on Clarence Thomas. Now you have an open seat to install an establishment Democrat loyalist. Blame the take down on the GOP or Conservative elements decrying some kind of racism. Never mind Joe Biden in Congress was the one grilling Clarence Thomas the hardest during his own confirmation.

There are fringe radical extremists in both the "Pro Choice" and "Pro Life" camps. Won't take much for the narrative to sell that all of SCOTUS is under threat to reverse Roe VS Wade unless permanent measures are taken. It just takes lighting one match.

It takes years and years and years for a budding politician to rise up the ranks and become a legitimate contender for Congress or POTUS. There is game underneath the game that needs to be played and many things just need time. So if you take out a large portion of the "Brand Name" politicians on both sides, then you've destabilized their Party appartus. This has been shown as salient and practical political strategy all throughout recorded human history.

In 2020, 40 million American civilians bought firearms. That's an unprecedented staggering number. They don't feel safe. They understand no one is going to help them, least of all the government. They watched rioting and looting and burning go unchecked. If Thomas is neutralized by the radical left and the blame spins on the GOP as some kind of racially motivated hit, then you'll have  untold rioting in every major city in America. These small business owners and homeowners aren't going to just let you run them down, loot them, and burn them out. Not this time. You'll see the Rooftop Koreans from the LA riots times 10 thousand incidents.

There has always been historical level conflict between Asian immigrants and the poorer sections of the black community. You'll have young black men being told over and over again via social media that they are being hunted down like Justice Thomas. You'll have the pent up rage of small business owners and specific groups like Asian immigrants who are already armed to the teeth.

"It's not going to happen" won't sell in 2021.  A worldwide pandemic that brought the entire world to it's knees? Five years ago, people would have laughed in your face. Colin Kaepernick seen as a woke icon that's lauded and all his actions look justified to large segment of the public? Five years ago, people would have laughed in your face. Arming terrorists with countless billions of our tax dollars while leaving behind American women to get gang raped and used as hostages? Five years ago, people would have laughed in your face. Watching our Southern Border collapse like Brian Schottenheimer's playbook in action? Five years ago, people would have laughed in your face. Boys dressed as girls in school bathrooms, some of them as rapists and there's actually public policy built around this kind of woke tragedy? Five years ago, people would have laughed in your face.

Look at all of recorded human history. There's a point where people stop arguing and just start killing each other.

 

[jon_mx]

It is funny that people claim their side would never do something anything like 1/6, but yet the actual damage done on 1/6 was just north of $1,000,000.  Meanwhile their peaceful side inflicted between $1,000,000 000 and $2,000,000,000 worth of damage over the last couple of years.  Are we to believe if the Capitol Police essentially opened the doors for them that the Capitol Building would even be standing afterwards?  

 

[jon_mx]

In 2020, 40 million American civilians bought firearms. That's an unprecedented staggering number. They don't feel safe. They understand no one is going to help them, least of all the government. They watched rioting and looting and burning go unchecked. If Thomas is neutralized by the radical left and the blame spins on the GOP as some kind of racially motivated hit, then you'll have  untold rioting in every major city in America. These small business owners and homeowners aren't going to just let you run them down, loot them, and burn them out. Not this time. You'll see the Rooftop Koreans from the LA riots times 10 thousand incidents.

But that is the whole point of prosecuting Kyle Rittenhouse, they want to criminalize those who dare stand up against it.  It does not matter that they threaten to kill you, ambushed you, chase you down like an animal, kicked you in the head, whacked you with a skateboard, put a gun to your head....if you dare fight back, you will end up in prison.  

The media wants you to be scared of a few unorganized nuts running around the woods playing with their guns.  The real power structure which threatens our freedom is the side which brainwashes our children by controlling education, controls the main sources of media, the tech giants who have nearly complete control of the flow of information and spy on us 24/7, those who abuse their power in the Justice Department and have seemingly taken over the FBI making them purely political tools, and are in process of wokifying the military.  

No, don't worry about all that.  Let's villify a teenage boy with an AK-47 so we can start rounding the rest of those types up.  

 

[The Commish]

I still think we're a far cry from 1968-70.  We have alot of keyboard warriors and opportunists, but not much actual dedication to a cause and willingness to do something about it.

I think so, too. I wasn't alive then, but I see those protests in video and the mainstreaming of utterly radical ideologies in the late '60s, and it's what I told my brother, but we might also be underestimating the division caused by consuming two different sets of facts via each respective sides' media. That might eventually push situations and events into taking on the qualities that usually mark irreconcilable differences.

In addition to that, '68-'70 was largely one generation agitating. It seems like now that people of all ages and all walks of life are involved.

But I take your point and have said the same.

Many are.  Look at this board.  There are some here who can't help but look at things through the lens the media offers up to them.  They are obsessed with it.  They fall for the sensational versions of clickbait nonsense.  They believe that their "news feed" is the actual "news" and NOT just that set of clickbait articles put in front of them because that's what keeps their attention.  They believe there is some set of government overlords imposing their will on them and why?  Because that's all their "news" feeds tell them.  Media in this country is the echo chamber of echo chambers.  Period.  End of story.  They are like drug dealers.  I recommend everyone dump those media outlets and go directly to the sources.  Yes, it takes more time, but the information is so much better.  Or as a baby step, dump US news media and go with third party observation from other corners of the globe who still right, 2-3 paragraph stories stating what is known not known and leaving opinion out of the equation.  It's been an illuminating 5 years for me....almost 6 now.  

 

[knowledge dropper]

Yeah.  99% of the people in this country have no interest in actually bearing arms against each other. Twitter slap fights are one thing but actually giving up everything you own and have worked for to grab a musket and go to the frontlines in backwoods Georgia or Tennessee is another. Maybe if they found a way to do the Civil War on an app it could happen but otherwise not going to happen.  

 

[Sparky Big Time]

Yeah.  99% of the people in this country have no interest in actually bearing arms against each other. Twitter slap fights are one thing but actually giving up everything you own and have worked for to grab a musket and go to the frontlines in backwoods Georgia or Tennessee is another. Maybe if they found a way to do the Civil War on an app it could happen but otherwise not going to happen.  

I think this is likely true.  I think most of us are reasonable and good people, who care about each other. I do not think we are what Democrats decry or MSM sells.

Every day I meet people who are truly good and would never step up to harm others. I do fear that the attempts of Democrats and media to stir us up are effective to some extent.

 

[Phil Elliott]

Not sure I believe that. I didn’t hear Dems in 2016 claim the election was illegitimate nor did I hear any claims in 2020 that if Biden lost it would be illegitimate. Contrast that to the GOP and it was a common narrative leading up to both elections that the only way Trump loses is widespread fraud. It wasn’t just Trump spreading this, it was prominent figures in conservative media and a non-insignificant part of Trump’s base.

Hillary and Stacy Abrams still talk about election fraud in their last elections.

 

[FairWarning]

I still think we're a far cry from 1968-70.  We have alot of keyboard warriors and opportunists, but not much actual dedication to a cause and willingness to do something about it.

I think that gap is closing.  I’m pretty concerned about the next presidential election.  I don’t see the two sides combining for the common good right now, that is sad.  

 

[dkp993]

Yeah.  99% of the people in this country have no interest in actually bearing arms against each other. Twitter slap fights are one thing but actually giving up everything you own and have worked for to grab a musket and go to the frontlines in backwoods Georgia or Tennessee is another. Maybe if they found a way to do the Civil War on an app it could happen but otherwise not going to happen.  

In maybe the first time in this boards history we full agree.  This take is spot on.  

 

[Phil Elliott]

I was thinking about the deep fissures in the civil discourse, especially those people who have their realities shaped by either OAN, Fox News or CNN and MSNBC. Was thinking about a high school reunion with some old friends, friends that would be aghast at either side's complaints, either side's laments.

Perhaps it's just that it's late, or thoughts are just roiling in my head, but for my money, there's such a deep fissure that it seems like a civil war. It seems like the sort of Proud Boys apologists and the guys who chime in every time about Antifa = idea deserve each other. But that doesn't mean, like in Portland, that we should have violence in our streets. No, it means that we should have enough faith in our systems and the courage of our convictions to throw the purveyors of violence against other citizens or the press in jail where they belong.

If it happens on a grand scale, jail.

If it happens to be one side is more at fault, so be it. Jail.

Too many of our ordinary folk that see fit to get vaccines, see fit to have some sort of faith in our institutions, see fit to check military and police overreach with civilian checks exist to let this all go to waste.

I read the PSF every day and read true divisions. I'm thinking that I don't want to be in any lot with most of you. In fact, I don't really like most of your arguments, your problems. They're trivial, and stupid.

I was thinking that it would be better if half of you were put out to pasture, and if not that, jail.

That's all.

There are a lot of other challenges once we decide they should be in jail, such as:

- law enforcement available to arrest

- law enforcement not being directed to stand down

- being released dismissing bail requirements or minimum revised bail requirements

- Deciding not the pursue charges