If Vick was signed by your team (1 Viewer)

[SuperJohn96]

This is inspired by some ignorant posting in this thread.

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...howtopic=470524

Let's be real here.

You would be hard pressed to find an NFL team that never rostered a player who committed a crime.

Drugs, DUIs, domestic abuse, etc... there's one on every team.

I personally think it's incredibly hypocrytical for someone to be against their team signing Vick, since he's one of the rare athletes who has actually paid for his crimes. Little friggin killed a person driving drunk, and even got busted driving drunk AGAIN, and was never really affected by it.

All too often pro athletes get off with a slap on the wrist because of their money and 'esteem'.

Vick did the crime, did his time, and that should be the end of it, even though it won't...

 

[JPeso]

I'd welcome him. The guy deserves a second chance.

 

[Multiple Scores]

I would not root for my team during the duration of his stay.

 

[by_the_sea_wannabe]

I for one would welcome our new Vick Overlord.

No chance of him being a Steeler but I would certainly want him to be successful if he came here.

 

[Deranged Hermit]

I would not root for my team during the duration of his stay.

Yup, me too.

 

[dgreen]

I'd welcome him.

As a fellow Redskins fan, I agree. Sign him to a cheap, short contract. Give him a handful of snaps a game out of the wildcat. Make it perfectly clear that he's not being brought in to overthrow Campbell right now.

 

[CentralPA]

I'd be mad, really really mad but i'd ultimately stick with my team. The guy's a dirtbag but he's been punished.

 

[kface]

As a 49ers fan (and there is some chatter of him being signed by the 49ers) I would just no longer be a 49ers fan. With the amount of idiots in the league now I lose a little interest every year (after 25 years of being a hard core fan). I always love the NFL because they at least try and clamp down on these guys

I used to love basketball but I don't even watch it anymore because of the idiots.

 

[joni mitchell]

I'd welcome him.

As a fellow Redskins fan, I agree. Sign him to a cheap, short contract. Give him a handful of snaps a game out of the wildcat. Make it perfectly clear that he's not being brought in to overthrow Campbell right now.

Seems like the best fit IMO because of his VTech background. A lot of people like Vick in the DC/NOVA area.

 

[djcolts]

I would be upset because it would be a stupid football move (he doesn't fit with the Colts offense at all). I do think he should get another chance somewhere.

 

[Romulan]

How many of the animals he willingly tortured got a second chance? he had his chance and blew it now its time for him to move on and be an example for others that decide to ruin their lives by stupid decisions.

 

[SugarNuts]

How many of the animals he willingly tortured got a second chance? he had his chance and blew it now its time for him to move on and be an example for others that decide to ruin their lives by stupid decisions.

Exactly. And I hate when people say "he paid his debt to society". Really? You mean when a person goes to prison, that is their debt and not their punishment? Vick got punished by the LAW. His debt to society would be to open an animal shelter or something. The NFL should at LEAST suspend him for a full season. Once he TRUELY pays his debt to society (by doing something FOR society, and not just being punished in jail), then he should POSSIBLY be considered for reinstatment. To answer the question in the poll, I would absolutely HATE the Bills for signing him. Id root for them, but Id also root for him to get hurt every single play.

 

[AnonymousBob]

How many of the animals he willingly tortured got a second chance? he had his chance and blew it now its time for him to move on and be an example for others that decide to ruin their lives by stupid decisions.

What Vick did is not okay in the slightest but he's hardly the poster boy of punks in the NFL.

 

[Avery]

This is inspired by some ignorant posting in this thread.

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...howtopic=470524

Let's be real here.

You would be hard pressed to find an NFL team that never rostered a player who committed a crime.

Drugs, DUIs, domestic abuse, etc... there's one on every team.

I personally think it's incredibly hypocrytical for someone to be against their team signing Vick, since he's one of the rare athletes who has actually paid for his crimes. Little friggin killed a person driving drunk, and even got busted driving drunk AGAIN, and was never really affected by it.

All too often pro athletes get off with a slap on the wrist because of their money and 'esteem'.

Vick did the crime, did his time, and that should be the end of it, even though it won't...

Kinda a loaded poll when you are pretty much saying "if you check two of the five options, you are ignorant".

Edit to add: A lot of NFL players did the crime and did their time, but the NFL gives them a suspension on top of time served or legal penalties. I'm not saying Vick should be banned for life or even for this year, but there is precedent for the NFL punishing player beyond the scope of the legal system. You might show yourself as ignorant to the punishments available to the NFL according to the collective bargaining agreement if you didn't know that.

 

[Phurfur]

I based my answer on the fact that as an NFL QB Mike Vick sucks.

 

[pollardsvision]

I'm hoping Vick doesn't end up on an AFC team outside of the Jags. I won't be able to help rooting for him wherever he lands, so I'd prefer it be an NFC team. Then I'll be fine until Vick met the Jags in the Super Bowl.

I'd really love for Vick to just come to the Jags.

I was always a big Vick basher when he was playing before, but I think bringing Vick in would be a smart move for the Jags (and a number of other teams).

I wouldn't feel comfortable with him as an every down QB and I don't think he was ever (or will be) the passer that Garrard is. I love Garrard. 10 or so snaps per game from Vick would add another element to the Jag offense. I'd imagine he could be signed for the league minimum and would create nightmares for D-coordinators. That's a no-brainer to me.

He'd also save some hits for Garrard and MJD.

I'd also be a fan of getting a more humbled Vick with a chip on his shoulder. He's no longer the #1 pick franchise changer. I don't know Vick personally, but I'd think he'd more inclined to not take his opportunity for granted for the 1st time in his playing career.

There's also the possible financial benefit for the Jags.

He'd put butts in the seats and the Jags need that. They have less to lose and more to gain than most teams when it comes to taking a PR gamble on Vick.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

Mods -- could we get a stickied Vick up top to merge all these threads into?

 

[Carver]

I'd welcome him. The guy deserves a second chance.

Same here. I'd even wear his jersey... His debt to society has been more than paid.

 

[Carver]

How many of the animals he willingly tortured got a second chance? he had his chance and blew it now its time for him to move on and be an example for others that decide to ruin their lives by stupid decisions.

Exactly. And I hate when people say "he paid his debt to society". Really? You mean when a person goes to prison, that is their debt and not their punishment? Vick got punished by the LAW. His debt to society would be to open an animal shelter or something. The NFL should at LEAST suspend him for a full season. Once he TRUELY pays his debt to society (by doing something FOR society, and not just being punished in jail), then he should POSSIBLY be considered for reinstatment. To answer the question in the poll, I would absolutely HATE the Bills for signing him. Id root for them, but Id also root for him to get hurt every single play.

I'd consider them the same thing. Punishment <> debt. Society (a Jury) decided he was guilty, and a Judge (Public servant) decided what punishment/debt he should pay for the crimes he committed.

 

[thatguythere]

This reminds me of a guy on the Lions boards. Every time something happens that he doesn't like he is done with the Lions, gone from the boards..........for about a day.

 

[Avery]

I'd welcome him. The guy deserves a second chance.

Same here. I'd even wear his jersey... His debt to society has been more than paid.

You're prerogative of course and I understand that some feel that his "debt to society has been more than paid" but he's still committed heinous acts and regardless of the debt he's paid and I just don't understand the thinking behind actively rooting for him and wanting to wear his jersey.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

I'd welcome him. The guy deserves a second chance.

Same here. I'd even wear his jersey... His debt to society has been more than paid.

You're prerogative of course and I understand that some feel that his "debt to society has been more than paid" but he's still committed heinous acts and regardless of the debt he's paid and I just don't understand the thinking behind actively rooting for him and wanting to wear his jersey.

x10If somebody rapes your mother and does his few years in jail for it are you going to buddy up to him and help him get a second chance when he comes out because he paid his debt and everything's even?A scumbag is a scumbag --- prior to jail, in jail, and out of jail.

 

[Incogneto]

I'd welcome him. The guy deserves a second chance.

Same here. I'd even wear his jersey... His debt to society has been more than paid.

You're prerogative of course and I understand that some feel that his "debt to society has been more than paid" but he's still committed heinous acts and regardless of the debt he's paid and I just don't understand the thinking behind actively rooting for him and wanting to wear his jersey.

x10If somebody rapes your mother and does his few years in jail for it are you going to buddy up to him and help him get a second chance when he comes out because he paid his debt and everything's even?A scumbag is a scumbag --- prior to jail, in jail, and out of jail.

So you totally deny the evidence of rehabilitation through lockup? isn't that what your justice system is there for, Rehabilitation?As for the poll, I had a similar situation happen to me with my hockey team. They signed a vile human named Todd Bertuzzi, who committed on of the most heinous acts ever seen in pro hockey. My stance with that would be the same if my team were to sign Vick. I cheer for the logo on the front, not the name on the back! It doesn't matter WHO is on the team, I am a fan on the team.

 

[Jeremy]

He's going to be a HUGE distraction for whichever team signs him, and he's not a good enough player to put up with that.

I'm actually sort of rooting for the guy. I like a good redemption story. But I think my team would be a fool to sign him.

 

[Instinctive]

http://zealotsfield.invisionzone.com/index...showtopic=24828

Read it all. And...

Look, Vick committed a crime. The bleeding heart PETA "he did it to a pet!" crap is where the ignorance lies. He has served hsi time, he can serve an NFL suspension, and then he should go where he can and give what he can to a football team. If Parcells can tame him, imagine the Pat White/ROnnie Brown/Mike Vick Wildcat magic!!!

He should get a chance. Just because you have a problem with which crime he committed doesn;t mean he shouldnt have the opportunity to redeem himself.

Chris Andersen anyone? (Birdman, Denver Nuggets basketball) Look what he has done with his second chance after accidents, alchohol, and drugs. Everybody deserves the same thing. Wouldn't you want to prove you had changed?

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

I'd welcome him. The guy deserves a second chance.

Same here. I'd even wear his jersey... His debt to society has been more than paid.

You're prerogative of course and I understand that some feel that his "debt to society has been more than paid" but he's still committed heinous acts and regardless of the debt he's paid and I just don't understand the thinking behind actively rooting for him and wanting to wear his jersey.

x10If somebody rapes your mother and does his few years in jail for it are you going to buddy up to him and help him get a second chance when he comes out because he paid his debt and everything's even?A scumbag is a scumbag --- prior to jail, in jail, and out of jail.

So you totally deny the evidence of rehabilitation through lockup?

Not at all.I totally deny the evidence of it in this particular case.Unless you want to produce it....?

 

[Two Deep]

I would hate it and it has nothing to do with his dog troubles.

 

[geoff8695]

It's funny to me, that some fans get so upset at the prospect of a "scumbag" playing for their favorite team. Personally I don't want to know very much about professional athletes off the field, because I understand that these guys are merely entertainers, who just happen to be the best at playing a game. Unfortunately professional sports is littered with individuals who could be characterized as "scumbags", and even many of the guys who appear to have positive images, have terrible flaws. No matter how much I appreciate someone's athletic abilities or accomplishments, that doesn't make them worthy of idol worship, and it doesn't make them a role model.

IMO if you really want to enjoy pro sports, then you have to separate your rooting passions from your feelings about individual players away from the game. Otherwise, be prepared for immense disappointment.

 

[AnonymousBob]

I'd be a lot more upset if my team signed Jeramy Stevens.

 

[Mikey16x]

As a 49ers fan (and there is some chatter of him being signed by the 49ers) I would just no longer be a 49ers fan. With the amount of idiots in the league now I lose a little interest every year (after 25 years of being a hard core fan). I always love the NFL because they at least try and clamp down on these guys I used to love basketball but I don't even watch it anymore because of the idiots.

Really?? I think the character in basketball is at a pretty good place right now. The commish really turned the league around, you have great ambassadors for the sport right now like Lebron, D. Howard, Wade, Billups, Garnett, Ray Allen etc. If you really enjoyed it, you should give it another go.. it's really not half as bad as 4-5 years ago, all the trouble makers have been very humbled.

 

[Wu-banger]

the difference between Little's problems and Vick's problems is that the dogs had a more vocal and public interest group in PETA behind it than the PERSON Little killed.

I would welcome Vick and hope he helps my team win....

 

[FavreCo]

If he went to a team where I had a WR, I would bench him immediately. If they signed Vick long term, I would cut the useless WR.

 

[LarryAllen'sJockstrap]

I am a huge animal person and really found what he did to be cruel and dispicable.

However, I also believe in second chances and feel liked he paid his debt to society.

If he has truly changed his behaviour and is geniunely sorry, I would cheer for him and have no problem if the Cowboys signed him.

 

[Aabye]

Animal abuse of this type is unlike many of the crimes committed by NFL players in that many violations (drunk driving, drugs, etc) are usually not intended to cause suffering and pain whereas this action was. When a player drives drunk, he's usually not trying to hurt other people, although admittedly he is criminally negligent for whatever happens. Vick was very intentionally causing pain, suffering, death.

Now, first of all, this does not mean that he's alone. Jerramy Stevens is a monster, Leonard Little is (probably) a monster, scores of other NFL players unnamed are monsters. If you're going to fault Vick and continue to hold his actions against him, you have to do it for these other players (and loads of other people) as well.

Second, this is not to somehow downplay other sorts of bad behavior where the person committing the act doesn't actually mean to hurt someone. Drunk driving is still a crime and you should still yell at and prosecute people for doing it.

A non-hypocritical reason to "forgive" a drunk driving arrest but not an animal abuse arrest is that the former is one in which showing someone the consequences of his/her action is somewhat likely to make the person feel genuine remorse - it's reasonable to think that they didn't properly consider the possible consequences of their action when they did it. Maybe showing them the terrible things that can result from their action will make them see the action differently. For Vick, this is pretty much unthinkable. He already knows exactly the consequences of electrocuting a dog or breaking its neck. It's visceral, immediate, ghastly. If someone does those things and doesn't care about the welfare of the dog while the dog is yelping and dying in front of him, how is telling him later how bad he is going to do anything?

At least in my eyes, Vick is basically a monster. A person that can just break a dog's back, apparently without pangs of sympathy for this suffering creature, is pretty scary. He's done his time and is now free to seek employment wherever he wants, but I wouldn't want my team to sign him and I won't root for him wherever he goes.

 

[goonsquad]

At least in my eyes, Vick is basically a monster. A person that can just break a dog's back, apparently without pangs of sympathy for this suffering creature, is pretty scary. He's done his time and is now free to seek employment wherever he wants, but I wouldn't want my team to sign him and I won't root for him wherever he goes.

Agree. And as I pointed out in another thread, criminal histories routinely follow people for the rest of their lives, even after they are out of prison. Job applications make you disclose your criminal record and people are denied jobs every single day based on this. I have no problem with Vick being denied another opportunity at fame and fortune. He had everything and squandered it away, he can now get a "real job" like any other ex-con. In the end, the NFL is an entertainment product. Michael Vick is no longer a marketable commodity for the NFL, so I really don't expect any team to take a chance on him. It would be a PR nightmare.

 

[Zigg]

I hope Vick signs with Denver, so he and McDanials can make it to the Super Bowl, sticking it to the off-season know-it-alls and the holier than thou crew. Of course they'll lose to the Saints in the Bowl.

 

[Avery]

I hope Vick signs with Denver, so he and McDanials can make it to the Super Bowl, sticking it to the off-season know-it-alls and the holier than thou crew. Of course they'll lose to the Saints in the Bowl.

I might not be holier than thou, but I'm sure as #### holier than Vick.

 

[Instinctive]

At least in my eyes, Vick is basically a monster. A person that can just break a dog's back, apparently without pangs of sympathy for this suffering creature, is pretty scary. He's done his time and is now free to seek employment wherever he wants, but I wouldn't want my team to sign him and I won't root for him wherever he goes.

Agree. And as I pointed out in another thread, criminal histories routinely follow people for the rest of their lives, even after they are out of prison. Job applications make you disclose your criminal record and people are denied jobs every single day based on this. I have no problem with Vick being denied another opportunity at fame and fortune. He had everything and squandered it away, he can now get a "real job" like any other ex-con. In the end, the NFL is an entertainment product. Michael Vick is no longer a marketable commodity for the NFL, so I really don't expect any team to take a chance on him. It would be a PR nightmare.

What about the people who electrocute cows? What about the people who hunt foxes and other animals for pelts using chain traps that leave the animal in agonizing pain for hours from trap time to when the hunter finishes it off? WHat about the people who poison rats? What about the people who race horses until shoes fall off legs break and they mak ethe hors einto dog food?I don't like Vick. But he is exciting to watch, he can help a team especially with the new Wildcat formations, and what he did is no worse than many other things. Just because the ignorant housepet lovers have louder voices thna other groups does not mena this man should have his life destroyed. (that is, destroyed more after an undeservedly long prison sentence)

 

[Mark Wimer]

Mods -- could we get a stickied Vick up top to merge all these threads into?

No, unfortunately the merging sorts the posts by date and time and there are so many Vick threads it would become quickly incomprehensible. Oh, and Vick should be barred from the NFL for life, but not for the dogfighting. The larger (and largely ignored issue) is that he consorted with known illegal gamblers and illegally gambled across state lines. This is EXPRESSLY forbidden by the NFL and Vick lied to the commissioner's face about his involvement with illegal gambling rings. It is but a short jump given his manifest inconsistency from week to week to conclude that he was throwing games for the benefit of illegal gamblers to whom he owed money.

And even if he never did throw a game, the appearance of impropriety is undeniable and his guilt or innocence in the matter can NEVER be determined.

The integrity of the league in this matter is more important than "giving Mike Vick another chance after he paid his debt to society".

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

Mods -- could we get a stickied Vick up top to merge all these threads into?

No, unfortunately the merging sorts the posts by date and time and there are so many Vick threads it would become quickly incomprehensible. Oh, and Vick should be barred from the NFL for life, but not for the dogfighting. The larger (and largely ignored issue) is that he consorted with known illegal gamblers and illegally gambled across state lines. This is EXPRESSLY forbidden by the NFL and Vick lied to the commissioner's face about his involvement with illegal gambling rings. It is but a short jump given his manifest inconsistency from week to week to conclude that he was throwing games for the benefit of illegal gamblers to whom he owed money.

And even if he never did throw a game, the appearance of impropriety is undeniable and his guilt or innocence in the matter can NEVER be determined.

The integrity of the league in this matter is more important than "giving Mike Vick another chance after he paid his debt to society".

Oh, I agree with you about that 100%.

 

[FUBAR]

I would not root for my team during the duration of his stay.

Yup, me too.

seriously? I may not like it but I'm not going to give up on my team over one move.

 

[FunkyPlutos]

I'm a Vikings' fan and I would rather have him than Favre. Guy would open up the offense and be fun to watch! I don't think it will happen but it is entertainment and he would make the team better.

 

[goonsquad]

At least in my eyes, Vick is basically a monster. A person that can just break a dog's back, apparently without pangs of sympathy for this suffering creature, is pretty scary. He's done his time and is now free to seek employment wherever he wants, but I wouldn't want my team to sign him and I won't root for him wherever he goes.

Agree. And as I pointed out in another thread, criminal histories routinely follow people for the rest of their lives, even after they are out of prison. Job applications make you disclose your criminal record and people are denied jobs every single day based on this. I have no problem with Vick being denied another opportunity at fame and fortune. He had everything and squandered it away, he can now get a "real job" like any other ex-con. In the end, the NFL is an entertainment product. Michael Vick is no longer a marketable commodity for the NFL, so I really don't expect any team to take a chance on him. It would be a PR nightmare.

What about the people who electrocute cows? What about the people who hunt foxes and other animals for pelts using chain traps that leave the animal in agonizing pain for hours from trap time to when the hunter finishes it off? WHat about the people who poison rats? What about the people who race horses until shoes fall off legs break and they mak ethe hors einto dog food?I don't like Vick. But he is exciting to watch, he can help a team especially with the new Wildcat formations, and what he did is no worse than many other things. Just because the ignorant housepet lovers have louder voices thna other groups does not mena this man should have his life destroyed. (that is, destroyed more after an undeservedly long prison sentence)

Nice hyperbole but none of it has anything to do with my post. If you look closely you'll see that I while I agreed with a previous post stating Vick was a monster, I did not use my opinion as reasoning to ban him. I simply addressed the idea that he has "paid his debt", which is true for his debt to the penal system but overlooks the fact that criminals often pay a larger debt to society long after their prison term is up. Hunting, pest control and the meat industry are a far cry from willfully torturing animals for no purpose outside of sick (and illegal) entertainment value. Nice attempt at a straw man, though.

 

[Red Herring]

How many of the animals he willingly tortured got a second chance? he had his chance and blew it now its time for him to move on and be an example for others that decide to ruin their lives by stupid decisions.

Exactly. And I hate when people say "he paid his debt to society". Really? You mean when a person goes to prison, that is their debt and not their punishment? Vick got punished by the LAW. His debt to society would be to open an animal shelter or something. The NFL should at LEAST suspend him for a full season. Once he TRUELY pays his debt to society (by doing something FOR society, and not just being punished in jail), then he should POSSIBLY be considered for reinstatment. To answer the question in the poll, I would absolutely HATE the Bills for signing him. Id root for them, but Id also root for him to get hurt every single play.

Actually, all the dogs they seized at the compund were given second chances. The show Dogtown on National Geographic Channel covered the place where many (maybe all, not sure, show was on a while ago) of the Vick dogs were rehabilitated. They had a lot of success with them too. "Debt to Society" is a term to refer paying the penalties you get assigned by our legal system: Jail, prison, parole, work release, community service, etc. In Vicks case, not only did that involve prison time, but he's forfeited a fortune, both in his contract and endorsement deals, neither of which he will ever be able to re-coup. If the courts have imposed no more penalties on him, then he has paid his debt. Working with the SPCA (as he was rumored to be doing, no idea if that actually panned out), doing anti-dog fighting talks and commercials, etc. are a good way to show he's changed his thinking on the subject and hopefully prevent anyone emulating his past actions. But his "debt to sociecty" has been paid. For those that think its not enough, talk to your local/state/federal lawmakers to make punishments for these things harsher.

As for the poll, I would root for my team, root for him to do well, and watch for signs he has rehabilitated so I can root for him as a person. He certainly deserves another shot, unless we want to bar all serious criminals from the league. It'd be blatant hypocrisy to bar him from the league when guys like Little, et al are still playing. That said, if I was an owner thinking of signing him, there'd be something in his contract requiring some charity work related to his crime, to hopefully prevent such awful abuse of animals by others.

 

[Truman]

The integrity of the league in this matter is more important than "giving Mike Vick another chance after he paid his debt to society".

It'd be nice if the commissioner gave a #### about this. Vick's reinstatement will be based on PR.

 

[moderated]

If Vick is back in the league.

1)I buy his jersey

2)I order NFL ticket to watch all his games

3)I get him in every fantasy league i am in.

The guy made a mistake, we all do. He's paid the price for his error and it's time to get over it.

 

[KoolKat]

I'd welcome him. The guy deserves a second chance.

Same here. I'd even wear his jersey... His debt to society has been more than paid.

You're prerogative of course and I understand that some feel that his "debt to society has been more than paid" but he's still committed heinous acts and regardless of the debt he's paid and I just don't understand the thinking behind actively rooting for him and wanting to wear his jersey.

x10If somebody rapes your mother and does his few years in jail for it are you going to buddy up to him and help him get a second chance when he comes out because he paid his debt and everything's even?A scumbag is a scumbag --- prior to jail, in jail, and out of jail.

So you totally deny the evidence of rehabilitation through lockup? isn't that what your justice system is there for, Rehabilitation?As for the poll, I had a similar situation happen to me with my hockey team. They signed a vile human named Todd Bertuzzi, who committed on of the most heinous acts ever seen in pro hockey. My stance with that would be the same if my team were to sign Vick. I cheer for the logo on the front, not the name on the back! It doesn't matter WHO is on the team, I am a fan on the team.

It's funny how this guy says 'show me proof' he is no longer a scumbag. Considering he has spent over a year in Leavenworth of all places, I would say he is changed significantly. Anybody would be unalterably changed after an experience like that. I would say the burden of proof is on those who say he is still a scumbag to show he is back to his old ways. I guess it is easy for somebody to think that when they do not think people are capable of changing.I say the guy deserves another chance. What else do you want from him. If he opened an animal shelter would you really forgive him or claim it was all a publicity stunt? Really there is nothing Vick can do for people who are unwilling to forgive and there never will be.My stance on the Broncos wouldn't change if he came here. However I would rather he did not. I do look forward to watching him if he does comes back though. He is a very exciting to watch even if he is not overly successful at winning.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

If Vick is back in the league.

1)I buy his jersey

2)I order NFL ticket to watch all his games

3)I get him in every fantasy league i am in.

The guy made a mistake, we all do. He's paid the price for his error and it's time to get over it.

As a matter of fact, just yesterday I accidentally started up this giantass dog fighting ring, torturing a couple dozen dogs to death before somebody pointed out my mistake.

Man, was my face red on that one.

 

[renesauz]

The poll is somewhat flawed, as there are many NFL teams who wouldn't consider Vick even without the issues a player like Vick would bring. I'm talking about teams with a good starter and solid backup already in place.

Now....I realize that such a team could still sign Vick...but if he's second string at best, and possibly third string....it would also alter the results of the poll.

My team is the Eagles...with about a 0.000000001% chance of signing someone like Vick. I couldn't care less.

 

[nyftbl_giants]

If Vick is back in the league.1)I buy his jersey2)I order NFL ticket to watch all his games3)I get him in every fantasy league i am in.The guy made a mistake, we all do. He's paid the price for his error and it's time to get over it.

..a mistake is adding bleach to a load of colors because you werent paying attention....not intentionally hurting defenseless animals for entertainment purpouses. To me thats something you either have in you or you dont.That said, will I give up my PSL ?...NOWill I stand outside the stadium chanting obscenities...NOIn fact I believe its his right to earn a living again in the NFL if he can.Just like its my right to route like hell for him to fail, and for this "mistake" to be the defining one of his career.