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Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
If I'm the Patriots, I take McFadden.
My second choice would be Vernon Gholston to replace the aging OLBs on my roster.
The front three guys are all young, so as good as Dorsey is, he'd be in a rotation.
My second choice would be Vernon Gholston to replace the aging OLBs on my roster.
The front three guys are all young, so as good as Dorsey is, he'd be in a rotation.
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FavreCo
Footballguy
They won't take McFadden. They don't even need him. It would be a wasted pick. They don't need to score more points. They will trade down, rape some hack team like Baltimore who will pick Woodson and continue to suck. NE will then take a defensive player to help in their quest to shut teams out next year. The Belicheck move is to make some other GM over pay for a bum as he takes their picks later and turns them into gold.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Assume for a second that nobody wants to pay the price to trade up. Then what?
The_Hunchback
Footballguy
Based on history it's hard to see him not getting better value than he gives up. There will be without doubt several teams wanting that pick if they get it.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
There has been very little movement in the top 5 picks in the last decade, save for the aberrant Giants/Chargers trade.I think it's very doubtful that any team would trade up to #2. If no team within striking distance would do it for Calvin Johnson this past draft, I can't see it being likely in the upcoming one given the talent available.
Colin Dowling
Footballguy
No there won't. The teams in the top6 (five teams not inlcluding NE) all have different needs. They can all sit tight and get what they want.
Chase Stuart
Footballguy
There's a zero chance that NE takes either McFadden or Long.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Saying "zero chance" about any Patriots pick makes no sense.Who do you speculate?
Chase Stuart
Footballguy
Jason Wood
Zoo York
I think New England will take the BPA...and that won't be a QB or McFadden.
Could be a tackle, but I doubt it.
Could be a tackle, but I doubt it.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
At #2, there are a lot of BPA's.
Jason Wood
Zoo York
Not for a team like New England. They'll make their board and stick to it. When you have the ultra-rare situation of being BOTH the best team in football and basically having your pick of any player; they will take whoever has an elite grade (or I should say, the highest grade on their board) with the one possible exception being QB.
comfortably numb
Footballguy
Didn't the Jets trade out of #1 in 97??Atl traded up for Vick in 01?thought there was another one aside from SD/NYG too
Chase Stuart
Footballguy
Belichick won't spend a top five pick on an OL or a RB. That's all.Glenn Dorsey would make a lot more sense.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
But predicting the Patriots board is next to impossible. At the #2 position, there are quite a few guys that carry an elite grade at numerous positions.
Chase Stuart
Footballguy
The Jets had problems putting the #1 pick in under the cap. They spent a ton of money on contracts in the offseason before '96, and had the #1 pick that year, too.The Chargers traded out of the Vick spot in large part because of the Leaf disaster.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
I've heard that same statement made about every position on the field:"He won't spend a 1st on a WR, LB, DL, OL, QB, RB, CB, S, or TE. Other than that, anything is possible."
nerangers
Footballguy
OK, if no one is going to trade up, maybe the Pats do go with Darren McFadden. I know everyone thinks the Pats are all set with Maroney, but he has had his health issues. Also a lot of teams are moving to RBBC, so it would not be out of the norm for the Pats to just draft the best player on the board. Worse case, they could trade him. The other option could be Chris Long (DE) Virginia.
Personally I think the Pats trade out of the pick somehow. I am assuming this will more likely be the third pick...Miami, Jets, and then SF.
Personally I think the Pats trade out of the pick somehow. I am assuming this will more likely be the third pick...Miami, Jets, and then SF.
butcher boy
Footballguy
Maybe they'll trade the pick to the 49ers for Joe Staley.
Chase Stuart
Footballguy
On second though, I don't think Dorsey is big enough to be a NT. I doubt Belichick would want him as a 3-4 DE, but I don't know enough about Dorsey.You make a legitimate point. But I think he would spend a top five pick on a shutdown corner, big time DL, or athletic LB. Not on a tight end, running back or offensive lineman. I doubt a WR or S, unless a once in a decade type talent was out there.See the Pats going D for sure with this pick, assuming they can't trade down. I see them taking 80 cents on the dollar, most likely, and trading down.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Another great name to throw out. They could pick him just so the Jets can't.
Giants4Life
Footballguy
Who knows where they go. They could trade it for all we know. Belichek is so use to picking these rabbits out of a hat, I am curious how he will pick when giving a top choice.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
That's why I threw out the name Gholston. I think he could make the 4-3 DE to 3-4 OLB transition and be a monster.
MCguidance
Footballguy
In 2003 the Jets traded up for the 4th pick (Chicago) to get D. Robertson.
Looked like a good move until we swtiched to the 3-4...ugh.
Looked like a good move until we swtiched to the 3-4...ugh.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
That's an easier statement to make valid when you're picking in the 20's.But at #2 overall, again, there are a lot of really great picks.
twitch
Footballguy
MCguidance
Footballguy
Forgot to add something. The Bears used that pick to take Grossman. Next pick? McGahee. Pick 27? LJ. Jus' sayin'.
twitch
Footballguy
another solid choice. Id feel good about either him or Ghoston. But Gholston kinda fits the NE profile a little better. 6'4 and 264 and gets after the QB like a man possessed, benches something like 450. May need to transition to the inside like Bruschi did. But both of those kids are going to be good.
Couch Potato
Footballguy
I don't know why they wouldn't just play nice and give it back to the 49ers.
Why be greedy?
Weren't we all taught to share??
Don't they have enough riches already for crying out loud???
:sad banana 49er homer:
Why be greedy?
Weren't we all taught to share??
Don't they have enough riches already for crying out loud???
:sad banana 49er homer:
sam baker / cedric ellis FTW
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Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Sam Baker has a partially torn hamstring. There is ZERO chance that he goes #2. He may not even be a 1st rounder with the injury concerns over the last two seasons.sam baker / cedric ellis FTW
kremenull
Footballguy
I wouldn't consider teams picking high in the draft "hopeless". Does Cleveland and/or Detroit look hopeless after picking 2nd and 3rd in last April's draft? In today's NFL, the bottom-dwellers can quickly ascend to the upper-echelon since the talent differentiation from team-to-team is pretty minimal across the league. So mi beloved Raiders aren't in any way hopeless, especially with JaMarcus and potentially McFadden/Dorsey/Ellis/either Long coming on board, this team and others like the Jets, Niners, and Fins aren't that far away actually.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
The Fins are a looooong way away. At least the Jets and Niners have some youth on their squads.
Couch Potato
Footballguy
The 49ers are at least an offensive coordinator away. Hostler =
twitch
Footballguy
Only reason Im not seeing Dorsey is because it would cost alot of money and their D line is signed and being well paid for alteast a few more years. I can see him going #1 to the 'Phins.
The Man with the Plan
Footballguy
The best player is McFadden so that's who they should draft. Drafting for "need" most of the time is dumb. The draft is supposed to be for the future not the present or near future. That's just a bonus.
Boston
Footballguy
When looking at this pick you have to take a deeper look at the Pats by position and contracts to speculate what they'll do. Also, for those who automatically assume they'll trade down (if that's even an option) they have had one top 10 pick under BB and they used it to get Seymour. The other high pick they had was when they took Ty Warren at #13 (they actually traded up a pick to get him). So, while the sample is small there is no eveidence that the Pats are afraid to make a high selection although a trade down is always a strong possibility.
Also, if the Pats go the distance this year it would not surprise me to see Bruschi and Seau retire and Rodney could do the same as well. As far as free agency goes Stallworth and Eugene Wilson are probably goners and Asante's status is still a huge question mark.
Here's a look at all the positions and how they could play out with this top five pick:
QB-Not going to happen.
RB-Would not surprise me one bit as long as the RB selected here is a big time stud (i.e. a legit difference-maker). Adding an elite runner to this offense would basically be unfair. Right now Maroney isn't producing up to par and both Faulk and Sammy Morris while not real old aren't youngsters anymore. The other x-factor is this is a position where the Pats can spend money and it won't effect other players at this position like it would on both lines.
WR-Assuming Stallworth is in a one and done situation this is not out of the question. It would surprise me but it's very obvious right now that if Brady has topnotch weapons he's unstoppable.
TE-Don't see it happening this high.
O Line-The Pats build from the inside out so an O lineman (RT would be the best guess) is a possibilty. Yet, it may not be that easy. First of all everyone on the line is playing well and is relatively young. Secondly they're all signed long term and they have a lot of continuity going. The issue I see is a top five selection would probably be their highest paid O lineman and I'm not sure that's something they want to do.
D Line-I'm sure all things being equal this would be a good bet for the pick. Seymour, Warren and Vince are all first rounders. Yet, because those three are all around (as well as Jarvis Green) it just doesn't make sense to pay top five money for a player that will be situational at best for at least two years. You can never have enough D-lineman but the money just doesn't add up here.
LB-Ahhh, the Pats, the draft and the LB position. Every year the experts say they're going LB and every year they ignore it on draft day. Could this year be different? It could but it will take a LB that is over 240 LBs, is equally good at pass and rush defense, is intelligent and can play in a 3-4. If there is a stud LB prospect who fits their criteria at the top of the draft this could be the year. As stated above both Tedy and Junior could be goners and after Rosie, Vrabel and Thomas there's not much there. Adding a young stud would be a huge plus but the question is does BB feel comfortable going young at LB.
Safety-If there's one of those super-stud safeties that seem to be coming out every year this is a real possibility. Wilson is probably a goner and even if Rodney keeps playing he's not getting any younger. Sanders has turned into a solid player and Merriweather is still developing but if an impact player in the mold of a young Harrison is around that would make a ton of sense. The Pats D is much better when Harrison is in the line-up and if they don't think Merriweather has that type of upside this is an area that could be addressed.
CB-All depends on Asante and Gay. Both are pending free agents and if they're both gone that this is a definite area of need. I'd hate to see Asante walk and than pay a rookie big money but if both he and Gay leave something has to give.
So, with all that being said I have no clue what they'll do. I follow this team as closely as can be and am still constantly surprised by what they do. The one constant with their personnel moves is nothing is off the table and just when you think you know what they'll do they do the exact opposite.
Also, if the Pats go the distance this year it would not surprise me to see Bruschi and Seau retire and Rodney could do the same as well. As far as free agency goes Stallworth and Eugene Wilson are probably goners and Asante's status is still a huge question mark.
Here's a look at all the positions and how they could play out with this top five pick:
QB-Not going to happen.
RB-Would not surprise me one bit as long as the RB selected here is a big time stud (i.e. a legit difference-maker). Adding an elite runner to this offense would basically be unfair. Right now Maroney isn't producing up to par and both Faulk and Sammy Morris while not real old aren't youngsters anymore. The other x-factor is this is a position where the Pats can spend money and it won't effect other players at this position like it would on both lines.
WR-Assuming Stallworth is in a one and done situation this is not out of the question. It would surprise me but it's very obvious right now that if Brady has topnotch weapons he's unstoppable.
TE-Don't see it happening this high.
O Line-The Pats build from the inside out so an O lineman (RT would be the best guess) is a possibilty. Yet, it may not be that easy. First of all everyone on the line is playing well and is relatively young. Secondly they're all signed long term and they have a lot of continuity going. The issue I see is a top five selection would probably be their highest paid O lineman and I'm not sure that's something they want to do.
D Line-I'm sure all things being equal this would be a good bet for the pick. Seymour, Warren and Vince are all first rounders. Yet, because those three are all around (as well as Jarvis Green) it just doesn't make sense to pay top five money for a player that will be situational at best for at least two years. You can never have enough D-lineman but the money just doesn't add up here.
LB-Ahhh, the Pats, the draft and the LB position. Every year the experts say they're going LB and every year they ignore it on draft day. Could this year be different? It could but it will take a LB that is over 240 LBs, is equally good at pass and rush defense, is intelligent and can play in a 3-4. If there is a stud LB prospect who fits their criteria at the top of the draft this could be the year. As stated above both Tedy and Junior could be goners and after Rosie, Vrabel and Thomas there's not much there. Adding a young stud would be a huge plus but the question is does BB feel comfortable going young at LB.
Safety-If there's one of those super-stud safeties that seem to be coming out every year this is a real possibility. Wilson is probably a goner and even if Rodney keeps playing he's not getting any younger. Sanders has turned into a solid player and Merriweather is still developing but if an impact player in the mold of a young Harrison is around that would make a ton of sense. The Pats D is much better when Harrison is in the line-up and if they don't think Merriweather has that type of upside this is an area that could be addressed.
CB-All depends on Asante and Gay. Both are pending free agents and if they're both gone that this is a definite area of need. I'd hate to see Asante walk and than pay a rookie big money but if both he and Gay leave something has to give.
So, with all that being said I have no clue what they'll do. I follow this team as closely as can be and am still constantly surprised by what they do. The one constant with their personnel moves is nothing is off the table and just when you think you know what they'll do they do the exact opposite.
shakeybarn
Footballguy
Pats D will age sooner than later... get some raw top talent DE/MLB that you can ween in with Brushci and Vrabel mentoring.
PranksterJD
Footballguy
The Man with the Plan said:
Not really. Drafting for the future is generally for QBs and WRs. A lot of the time linemen and defensive players can come out of college and make huge impacts their first year, filling a "need" for the team that took them.In any case, McFadden is certainly the best fantasy player of the 2008 class, but I'm not sold that he's the best overall player, given guys like Glenn Dorsey, the Long boys, etc.My vote for the Pats would be Chris Long because of his versatility, and we know how Belichick covets guys who can produce in different roles, though I expect them to work pretty hard to trade out of this.
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The Man with the Plan
Footballguy
When you put it that way then that's even more of a reason to draft Darren McFadden if fortunate enough to do so. The Patriots offensive and defensive lines are good. Look at who they're trotting out at running back. Laurence Macaroni and some white guy who was in the army. Right now it doesn't make a difference but in the future it will. I think McFadden will perform immediately and in the future so he'd be the guy to get.Even with the Patriots need at running back I'd still say get the best player available. If I thought there was a player better than McFadden I'd say draft him regardless of position but since there isn't he's the pick. Basically the only reason I think the Patriots should draft someone other than McFadden is if they honestly think the player being drafted is better than him. Any other reason just isn't very smart.The Man with the Plan said:Not really. Drafting for the future is generally for QBs and WRs. A lot of the time linemen and defensive players can come out of college and make huge impacts their first year, filling a "need" for the team that took them.In any case, McFadden is certainly the best fantasy player of the 2008 class, but I'm not sold that he's the best overall player, given guys like Glenn Dorsey, the Long boys, etc.My vote for the Pats would be Chris Long because of his versatility, and we know how Belichick covets guys who can produce in different roles, though I expect them to work pretty hard to trade out of this.
