If you drafted today... where do you take Tyreek and Waddle? (1 Viewer)

[Smack Tripper]

Considering some offers to pick them up if the price is right.

Feels like knowing what we know, maybe fade Tyreek to the top of 2nd

Waddle, two round drop. Saw his placement all over the place.

I'm still gonna put some faith in them and McDaniel

 

[Gadio]

As of today, with no updates on Tua or the possibility of a new QB, Reek would go around Round 2, and Waddle around Round 5.

The real question is about the other side: are your opponents overreacting and trading them away right now? or are they biting the bullet and waiting for more news?

 

[fightingillini]

Not sure what I would do. You're really in the dark here. Does MIA go with Thompson or do they sign someone like Tannehill? This assumes Tua is going to be out a while.

I would say mid late 2nd for Hill and 5th or even 6th round for Waddle. I can't see any other MIA QB being able to support 2 good WRs. You can almost guarantee MIA will run the ball a lot more going forward.

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

Off the board for me. Not "they have no value" but more like "they'd be long gone before I'd be comfortable taking them."

If the team is 1-6, they'd shut down their stars for any minor injury. I'd rather just avoid the situation and risk not getting a great player.

And really, this is about Hill. Probably wouldn't consider Waddle. As @fightingillini stated, I don't think two WRs would be supported consistently.

 

[ilianawindfae]

Tyreek might legit lose his mind if he doesn't see quality targets. Waddle would drop a round or two but Tyreek is always going to get fed. I'd still take him Top 10.

 

[travdogg]

I'd say mid 2nd for Hill and 5/6 turn for Waddle, would be where I'd be if Tua is done. That said, I think people are really jumping to conclusions about Tua. I think he could be playing week 4. He got up, and walked off, he wasn't strapped down and carted off. I think this might be one of those cases where it looked worse than it was. The takes of Tua retiring seem to be, I don't wanna say wishful thinking, but not the most likely scenario let's say.

 

[JohnnyU]

I’m waddle saddled in a few leagues. I have no idea where I would draft either. It’s too soon I suppose.

 

[RenegadeRoy]

I think he could be playing week 4. He got up, and walked off, he wasn't strapped down and carted off. I think this might be one of those cases where it looked worse than it was.

He went into the fencer's position almost immediately and has a history of bad concussions. Walking off isn't really a measure for severity with traumatic brain injuries and even then his "walking off" was wobbly and he looked dazed. Absolutely no way he's playing by week 4.

 

[need2know]

Waddles going to my bench and i would trade him for pennies on the dollar. That offense is gonna suck

 

[travdogg]

I think he could be playing week 4. He got up, and walked off, he wasn't strapped down and carted off. I think this might be one of those cases where it looked worse than it was.

He went into the fencer's position almost immediately and has a history of bad concussions. Walking off isn't really a measure for severity with traumatic brain injuries and even then his "walking off" was wobbly and he looked dazed. Absolutely no way he's playing by week 4.

Ideally, probably not, but I think its far too soon to just assume he'll be out long. 18 days until week 4, which is a Monday game for Miami. I wouldn't be shocked if he gets cleared even if people think he shouldn't be. He'll push for it, Miami will push for it. Its likely he gets cleared, he'll get the "I wouldn't recommend playing, you are taking a long-term risk with your health" speech, but I'd say 50-50 for week 4, and I'd be very surprised if he was done for the year.

I think a lot of people are thinking emotionally, and not rationally. Tua is gonna want to play, that's just who he strikes me as. I doubt McDaniel or Ross will say no. I'm not looking at this from a what should happen POV. I'm looking at it from maybe a cynical POV. NFL players are basically used/treated like cattle. Andrew Luck is a gigantic outlier. Most guys under 30 will play until they can't.

In the meantime, I'd lump Hill in with someone like Davante Adams, and Waddle with someone like Zay Flowers for production with Thompson.

 

[djjosee]

I have Higgins and Waddle platooning my WR2 position. They will both be sitting on my bench with the emergence of X. Worthy, but to your question ... Hill 3 round and Waddle 5th.

Hope it all works out for the Miami offence.

 

[Ray_T]

Tyreek I'd take in round 2-3 (likely around the turn) Waddle I'd take where the WR3's are going.

if they acquire a QB who can play (ie flacco) there may be more upside there. but any backup QB who can play will not be easy to acquire.

Tanehill might be good enough to bump both of these guys, but he doesnt have the arm any more for the deep throws, so Tyreeks upside will be limited a bit.

 

[pinkstapler]

While it's easy to just say "I'd drop Tyreek to a mid 2nd" I'm having a hard time putting 18 guys ahead of him even now, though I could see someone make the case. But people having him down in the third round (or DND lolol) is pretty wild to me. A good amount of members here were pumping Malik Nabors as a 3rd round pick based purely on volume, and in no way am I promoting Skylar Thompson as even a "good" QB, but I'd challenge in his situation and with the rest of the talent and the coaching staff he's still a better bet than Daniel Jones.

Tyreek lost some ceiling to me, but he's still number 1 on the team and Miami isn't selling out on their season after 2 weeks. I'm also not moving guys I previously had in the third and fourth round ahead of him because they had a good week 1 and/or because Tua is out for the year. He's gone from my 1.01 down to maybe a late first, at least until we see how the rest of the league fares week 2. There's also a good chance Miami makes a move for another QB sooner than later if Thompson craps the bed. Anyone saying anything where he wouldn't still qualify as at least a low end WR2 seems a huge overreaction to me for one of the three best WRs in the game.

 

[Ray_T]

While it's easy to just say "I'd drop Tyreek to a mid 2nd" I'm having a hard time putting 18 guys ahead of him even now, though I could see someone make the case. But people having him down in the third round (or DND lolol) is pretty wild to me. A good amount of members here were pumping Malik Nabors as a 3rd round pick based purely on volume, and in no way am I promoting Skylar Thompson as even a "good" QB, but I'd challenge in his situation and with the rest of the talent and the coaching staff he's still a better bet than Daniel Jones.

Tyreek lost some ceiling to me, but he's still number 1 on the team and Miami isn't selling out on their season after 2 weeks. I'm also not moving guys I previously had in the third and fourth round ahead of him because they had a good week 1 and/or because Tua is out for the year. He's gone from my 1.01 down to maybe a late first, at least until we see how the rest of the league fares week 2. There's also a good chance Miami makes a move for another QB sooner than later if Thompson craps the bed. Anyone saying anything where he wouldn't still qualify as at least a low end WR2 seems a huge overreaction to me for one of the three best WRs in the game.

well, I personally am skeptical that he can perform to the same level with a backup QB.

it sometimes happens, but that is rare. There is no way he gets anywhere close to 1500 yards with a backup QB at the helm.

he still likely gets over 1000 yards. maybe as high as 1200 but that no longer makes him a first round pick.

either way, its hypothetical. we are not drafting tomorrow. but a lot of #1 WR put up subpar numbers by their own standards when their starting QB goes down. of course if you feel differently you can likely get your guy early in round 2 and nobody will fight you for him. so its a win win for you.

 

[pinkstapler]

While it's easy to just say "I'd drop Tyreek to a mid 2nd" I'm having a hard time putting 18 guys ahead of him even now, though I could see someone make the case. But people having him down in the third round (or DND lolol) is pretty wild to me. A good amount of members here were pumping Malik Nabors as a 3rd round pick based purely on volume, and in no way am I promoting Skylar Thompson as even a "good" QB, but I'd challenge in his situation and with the rest of the talent and the coaching staff he's still a better bet than Daniel Jones.

Tyreek lost some ceiling to me, but he's still number 1 on the team and Miami isn't selling out on their season after 2 weeks. I'm also not moving guys I previously had in the third and fourth round ahead of him because they had a good week 1 and/or because Tua is out for the year. He's gone from my 1.01 down to maybe a late first, at least until we see how the rest of the league fares week 2. There's also a good chance Miami makes a move for another QB sooner than later if Thompson craps the bed. Anyone saying anything where he wouldn't still qualify as at least a low end WR2 seems a huge overreaction to me for one of the three best WRs in the game.

well, I personally am skeptical that he can perform to the same level with a backup QB.

it sometimes happens, but that is rare. There is no way he gets anywhere close to 1500 yards with a backup QB at the helm.

he still likely gets over 1000 yards. maybe as high as 1200 but that no longer makes him a first round pick.

either way, its hypothetical. we are not drafting tomorrow. but a lot of #1 WR put up subpar numbers by their own standards when their starting QB goes down. of course if you feel differently you can likely get your guy early in round 2 and nobody will fight you for him. so its a win win for you.

Like I said, the issue for me isn't saying he won't achieve the receiving/yardage totals with the backup what he would have with Tua. That seems pretty obvious. The issue is who are we taking ahead of him? By the end of the season will there be 12 WRs better than him? Sure that's also pretty much a given. But I don't think we know all of who those guys will be pre-week 2 in order to confidently draft them ahead of Tyreek. And now that week 2 has passed, I'd say it strengthens my case even more. AJ Brown is missing another week, as did Higgins, Chase is putting up duds, Nacua is on IR.... looking further down the WR list, to this point London, Wilson, Olave, Moore, Cooper, Dell, Kirk, Pickens.... all ****ting the bed.

So no, I'm not saying Tyreek will light it up with Skylar Thompson. I'm saying he's still likely a late 1st/early 2nd to me as he was my 1.01 pre-draft and with 2 weeks of new information, there aren't many WRs I'd still move ahead of him as many others have injuries/bad situations/aren't stepping up like a lot of people projected them to. A mid to late second I think is close enough I can see the rationale even if I don't necessarily agree with it; but people dropping him further than that would have to tell me the 24+ players they are taking ahead of him to start to sway me. And tbh, I don't think many responders here have really even thought about it that way, which is why I brought it up.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Maybe once a week we should have a new redraft with 10 people and just go the first 6-8-10 rounds and you would see how much this all changes week to week

-Tua being out severely impacts Hill and Waddle, plus the arrest of Hill, I doubt Tyreek would still go int he 1st round, Waddle would fall into the 6th or 7th

 

[Ray_T]

While it's easy to just say "I'd drop Tyreek to a mid 2nd" I'm having a hard time putting 18 guys ahead of him even now, though I could see someone make the case. But people having him down in the third round (or DND lolol) is pretty wild to me. A good amount of members here were pumping Malik Nabors as a 3rd round pick based purely on volume, and in no way am I promoting Skylar Thompson as even a "good" QB, but I'd challenge in his situation and with the rest of the talent and the coaching staff he's still a better bet than Daniel Jones.

Tyreek lost some ceiling to me, but he's still number 1 on the team and Miami isn't selling out on their season after 2 weeks. I'm also not moving guys I previously had in the third and fourth round ahead of him because they had a good week 1 and/or because Tua is out for the year. He's gone from my 1.01 down to maybe a late first, at least until we see how the rest of the league fares week 2. There's also a good chance Miami makes a move for another QB sooner than later if Thompson craps the bed. Anyone saying anything where he wouldn't still qualify as at least a low end WR2 seems a huge overreaction to me for one of the three best WRs in the game.

well, I personally am skeptical that he can perform to the same level with a backup QB.

it sometimes happens, but that is rare. There is no way he gets anywhere close to 1500 yards with a backup QB at the helm.

he still likely gets over 1000 yards. maybe as high as 1200 but that no longer makes him a first round pick.

either way, its hypothetical. we are not drafting tomorrow. but a lot of #1 WR put up subpar numbers by their own standards when their starting QB goes down. of course if you feel differently you can likely get your guy early in round 2 and nobody will fight you for him. so its a win win for you.

Like I said, the issue for me isn't saying he won't achieve the receiving/yardage totals with the backup what he would have with Tua. That seems pretty obvious. The issue is who are we taking ahead of him? By the end of the season will there be 12 WRs better than him? Sure that's also pretty much a given. But I don't think we know all of who those guys will be pre-week 2 in order to confidently draft them ahead of Tyreek. And now that week 2 has passed, I'd say it strengthens my case even more. AJ Brown is missing another week, as did Higgins, Chase is putting up duds, Nacua is on IR.... looking further down the WR list, to this point London, Wilson, Olave, Moore, Cooper, Dell, Kirk, Pickens.... all ****ting the bed.

So no, I'm not saying Tyreek will light it up with Skylar Thompson. I'm saying he's still likely a late 1st/early 2nd to me as he was my 1.01 pre-draft and with 2 weeks of new information, there aren't many WRs I'd still move ahead of him as many others have injuries/bad situations/aren't stepping up like a lot of people projected them to. A mid to late second I think is close enough I can see the rationale even if I don't necessarily agree with it; but people dropping him further than that would have to tell me the 24+ players they are taking ahead of him to start to sway me. And tbh, I don't think many responders here have really even thought about it that way, which is why I brought it up.

I think instead of figuring out who you rank ahead of him and throwing out names, the better way is to figure out how this affects his numbers. make the adjustment and then see where he ranks against everyone else whose numbers likely have not changed drastically.

the real problem is its an atypical situation. we dont know how much worse he will be with the backup. usually for the first week or two the backup will lean heavily on the #1 WR but eventually teams will scheme to take that away from them. The biggest difference between a starter and a backup is the time and efficiency in moving from the first read to the second, to the third. I could see some smart defensed double covering the #1 WR and stacking the box to force him to go to his second or third read on almost every play.

after that the numbers get harder to determine. there is no track record of Tyreek playing with his backup that we can really compare to. so its mostly guesswork.

What we know for sure, is if Tua normally throws for 270 yards and 2 TD per game and the backup throws for 220 yards and 1 TD per game, we then gotta figure out where the distribution goes. in this case there is a good #2 WR who will be the #1 read on likely 30-40% of the plays so it is very possible that the distribution wont change but the efficiency will.

I'd probably knock 10- 20 yards per game off of the totals of each of the top 3 WR. not sure how I'd split the TD but those will go down too.