belljr
Footballguy
A coke whore ...Didn't know you call dudes whore though.
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No. 16
Footballguy
No idea. I didn't blow. I requested for blood to be drawn thinking it would give me time. In hindsight I should have just blown since it is more "unreliable".
No. 16
Footballguy
I will as soon as possible but only after I talk to a lawyer and union rep. I am willing and planning to deal with it.
No. 16
Footballguy
I was. The lawyer is more to deal with the CA Board of Registered Nursing more so to fight the DUI.
Maude
Footballguy
Okay... so what was BAL or your BAC if you're going get all technical?
valhallan
Footballguy
Depends on the state. VA is medieval (sounds like CA is too) and getting a lawyer knocked me from 10 days in jail to 5. Yes, on a first offense with no accident, no damage. Just pulled over and blowed.EDIT: almost forgot - she got the mandatory ignition interlock waived too.
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DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
Seriously.....and your attitude already sucks. If you can't be humble on an anonymous message board, you're ####ed. You ####ed up. Be a man and acknowledge it and move on.
Gr00vus
Footballguy
You need to relax. I don't see anything from No.16 so far warranting these kinds of comments from you.
Zow
Footballguy
He won't know yet. No. 16, you are absolutely doing the right thing by consulting with an attorney. I've researched the nursing issue before and I recall the potential results being pretty nuanced with the specific facts of your case (e.g. your BAC, whether you are licensed yet, etc.). DUIs and the laws surrounding them vary significantly with each state. Listen only to your attorney in California who has handled DUI cases before. People in here likely mean well, but DUIs are complicated. That said, use the DUI as a wakeup call but not as something to be overly depressed about. Of all criminal charges, DUI is the one not correllative to age, race, education, intelligence, etc. Good people get DUIs. You also have rights which may have been violated, regardless of whether you were driving while intoxicated. Speak to your attorney and allow the matter to be handled fairly in a way which doesn't sink. Don't lay back and "take your lumps" as some seem to have suggested.
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Zow
Footballguy
How was he not humble? I'm confused as to why you think his attitude sucks.
Dr. Awesome
Footballguy
Dude screwed up and seems to be getting his crap together. Still not sure about him moving in with his parents but whatever. Ease up.
No. 16
Footballguy
???Seriously I have no idea. They never told me the blood result after they drew it. I just got booked and etc.
Zow
Footballguy
Ignore him. The blood needs to be tested and they won't have the results for some time.
No. 16
Footballguy
Don't want too, but have too. My Dad is retired so he'll be able to take me to work when my license is suspended. Also, the Ex and i were splitting the apartment. I could probably afford to live on my own, but with the impending cost of the DUI I'd still be able to maintain some sembelence to my current life if I move in with my parents until things get sorted out again.Could always rent a room to bang girls. I do have a trip to Vegas planned this weekend. Still undecided if I should goor not. It was Friday-Monday...may comeback Sunday so I can handle business Monday. Was just worried about the timing for everything (talking to a lawyer, etc since I have work tomorrow.)
Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
Don't go on that trip to Vegas. That's not the message you want to send to your pops who is now going out of his way to provide you a safety net and a free ride to work. Chill out for ahwile and have a nice boring weekend. What are the odds you drink yourself into another bender in Vegas? I'd say even money. You don't need that temptation, and you also need to save your money and your face with pops.
Dr. Awesome
Footballguy
It seems you have your priorities in order. Your career is vital and you're doing what you need to protect it. I have a few friends here who have dui's. Two of 'em it was a one time deal and they've put it behind them and stayed much more responsible (but still party it up). A third is a ticking time bomb and it's a miracle she doesn't have another. I cut ties and lost touch with the fourth but he got his second dui and seemed to take it as a dare to become more reckless. Point being, as long as you keep doing what you've started I have little doubt this will just help you to throw some responsibility in any fun you're having. The time you live with your folks should serve as a reminder how nice it is to be free. As far as Vegas goes...I'd bail on that if you think your work may find out. If your license/job could be in jeopardy I don't think it would be wise to let everyone know you went to Vegas days after getting a dui. If you feel it won't harm anything then go have fun, be responsible, and take taxis.
Best of luck with everything.
Best of luck with everything.
cstu
Footballguy
I had posted earlier that his priority should be to get his life together after the breakup instead of focusing on chasing tail but that doesn't make for good FFA entertainment so it didn't get much support.
Gr00vus
Footballguy
I'd skip this trip and take the time to get your affairs in order and get your head straight. Vegas isn't going anywhere.How tough would it be to ride a bicycle to work (or would a DUI not allow you to do that either)? Could have multiple benefits for you if it's not too far/difficult a ride. Obviously you'd need a plan B for really bad weather, but it'd give you more independence than needing to bum rides off people all the time.
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cstu
Footballguy
Hmm...he better get good at texting.
No. 16
Footballguy
Work is in Silicon Valley. 30+ minute drive from the East Bay and BART doesn't connect. I'll talk to the parents about Vegas. I think I need one last hoorah before #### gets serious.
cstu
Footballguy
You sound like you have a problem.
jamny
Footballguy
yeah, I think #### got serious
Dr. Awesome
Footballguy
Why? We don't know the details. If it's not going to affect anything with work (if it might have even the slightest chance then cut Vegas out asap) and his parents are fine with it who's to say he hasn't learned a lesson? I don't know if he is or isn't handling it well but he got a dui. The lesson learned should be to never drink and drive. Not to never drink or to never drive. Going to Vegas doesn't mean someone has to drink and drive. Because he's going to Vegas doesn't mean he has a problem - it's what he's blowing off to go that determines that.
Gr00vus
Footballguy
Any chance you could live closer to where you work? I know Silicon Valley is expensive in terms of purchase, but are there reasonable places you could rent an apartment?I'd imagine the folks aren't going to bless your trip to Vegas either. Save yourself another demerit in their eyes - don't bring it up to them, just skip it. You're going to need that money for other stuff right now anyway.
cstu
Footballguy
I'm not saying that he hasn't learned a lesson about drinking and driving but I do think his priorities are misplaced at the moment. He's got a lot to deal with between the DUI (probably close to $10k in fines/lawyer fees being in CA) and moving in with his parents. The last thing on his mind should be partying it up in Vegas.Why? We don't know the details. If it's not going to affect anything with work (if it might have even the slightest chance then cut Vegas out asap) and his parents are fine with it who's to say he hasn't learned a lesson? I don't know if he is or isn't handling it well but he got a dui. The lesson learned should be to never drink and drive. Not to never drink or to never drive. Going to Vegas doesn't mean someone has to drink and drive. Because he's going to Vegas doesn't mean he has a problem - it's what he's blowing off to go that determines that.
Maude
Footballguy
This is such BS. Blood goes to the lab, and it gets tested. Results are obtained the same day. I'm not saying he will have access to the results, but you can be sure the cops have it.
Dr. Awesome
Footballguy
I absolutely agree Vegas shouldn't be his top priority. I'm skeptical he actually has everything non-Vegas related totally handled. But in the unlikely scenario he's got that all together, he's learned his lesson, this has zero (actually zero, not close to zero) chance to affect his career, and his parents are supportive (this is the same dad who dared him to beat his old record), then go have fun.
Zow
Footballguy
Blood is tested using a system called headspace gas chromatography. For it to be properly done, blood needs to be drawn, sealed, and refrigerated so the anticoagulant works properly. It then needs to be transported to a lab in a refrigurated unit. Upon arrival it is awesome stored for days if the lab is busy. Nonetheless, if it is to be tested ASAP the criminalist needs to allow the blood to get to room temperature. After the blood is ready the criminalist likely needs to run a know sample as a control through the GC column (the machine whichs creates the headspace gas to be tested). After that is done and the machine appears to be working properly, blood vials are usually loaded onto an autosampler so the criminalist can leave the machine running for the several hours the process takes (most blood tests are done in the middle of the night without the criminalist there). Once that is done the criminalist likely needs to run the test again for quality assurance. He then has to submit the two results, along with his notes and the chromatograms back to the police and assure the chain of custody. All this takes way more than a day in any normal DUI case. I've had had cases where we didn't get blood back for three months.
Balco
Footballguy
Don't just look in a phonebook, ask around for names of good lawyers. When you get several names, call each of the lawyers and explain your situation (you are a RN and are deeply concerned about the effect this DUI will have on your employment). They will likely give you varying prices, most expensive doesn't always mean best. A good attorney will help a lot, especially if they do a lot of business in the court you are going to. Obviously your priority is to have the case off your record ASAP. I am not familiar with CA laws, but many states have programs for first offenders that result in a dismissal after a certain requirements are met.
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Balco
Footballguy
$10,000 for a first offense? Seems pretty expensive, lawyer included. In my jurisdiction court fees for a first time offender program can approach $500, and after successful completion of the program, the case is dismissed. I am assuming the average attorney would charge around 2000 for the case, maybe a little more, maybe a little less. Do you have a link to the fees associated with first time DUI in CA?I'm not saying that he hasn't learned a lesson about drinking and driving but I do think his priorities are misplaced at the moment. He's got a lot to deal with between the DUI (probably close to $10k in fines/lawyer fees being in CA) and moving in with his parents. The last thing on his mind should be partying it up in Vegas.Why? We don't know the details. If it's not going to affect anything with work (if it might have even the slightest chance then cut Vegas out asap) and his parents are fine with it who's to say he hasn't learned a lesson? I don't know if he is or isn't handling it well but he got a dui. The lesson learned should be to never drink and drive. Not to never drink or to never drive. Going to Vegas doesn't mean someone has to drink and drive. Because he's going to Vegas doesn't mean he has a problem - it's what he's blowing off to go that determines that.
cstu
Footballguy
This site says $6600.This one puts it at $45k but it estimates the cost of car insurance over 13 years and I'm not sure how valid that is.$10,000 for a first offense? Seems pretty expensive, lawyer included. In my jurisdiction court fees for a first time offender program can approach $500, and after successful completion of the program, the case is dismissed. I am assuming the average attorney would charge around 2000 for the case, maybe a little more, maybe a little less. Do you have a link to the fees associated with first time DUI in CA?I'm not saying that he hasn't learned a lesson about drinking and driving but I do think his priorities are misplaced at the moment. He's got a lot to deal with between the DUI (probably close to $10k in fines/lawyer fees being in CA) and moving in with his parents. The last thing on his mind should be partying it up in Vegas.Why? We don't know the details. If it's not going to affect anything with work (if it might have even the slightest chance then cut Vegas out asap) and his parents are fine with it who's to say he hasn't learned a lesson? I don't know if he is or isn't handling it well but he got a dui. The lesson learned should be to never drink and drive. Not to never drink or to never drive. Going to Vegas doesn't mean someone has to drink and drive. Because he's going to Vegas doesn't mean he has a problem - it's what he's blowing off to go that determines that.
Either way it's pretty damn expensive.
Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
When I lived in CA more than 15 years ago, I had to take a drivers ed class to clear a speeding ticket. In that class we got the red asphalt film and other scared straight info. I remember them saying that the average cost of a first time DUI was set at $8,800 (taking into account court costs, penalties, lawyers fees, etc). So accounting for inflation, I think $10K is reasonable. California is an especially punitive state for this offense. Also I think they mention typically up to 400 hours of community service. And the 10 year record. Not to mention the blackballing you get from your car insurance. And your mug shot is public record for anyone to see. Pretty heavy stuff.Regarding nursing, my sister is an RN in California working for Kaiser. I've heard her say that her company fires people all the time for conduct charges less serious than DUI. So, do not believe that there is ZERO chance of this having an effect on your career. My sister is now an executive manager and has fired many nurses for less.This site says $6600.This one puts it at $45k but it estimates the cost of car insurance over 13 years and I'm not sure how valid that is.$10,000 for a first offense? Seems pretty expensive, lawyer included. In my jurisdiction court fees for a first time offender program can approach $500, and after successful completion of the program, the case is dismissed. I am assuming the average attorney would charge around 2000 for the case, maybe a little more, maybe a little less. Do you have a link to the fees associated with first time DUI in CA?I'm not saying that he hasn't learned a lesson about drinking and driving but I do think his priorities are misplaced at the moment. He's got a lot to deal with between the DUI (probably close to $10k in fines/lawyer fees being in CA) and moving in with his parents. The last thing on his mind should be partying it up in Vegas.Why? We don't know the details. If it's not going to affect anything with work (if it might have even the slightest chance then cut Vegas out asap) and his parents are fine with it who's to say he hasn't learned a lesson? I don't know if he is or isn't handling it well but he got a dui. The lesson learned should be to never drink and drive. Not to never drink or to never drive. Going to Vegas doesn't mean someone has to drink and drive. Because he's going to Vegas doesn't mean he has a problem - it's what he's blowing off to go that determines that.
Either way it's pretty damn expensive.
I do think it's a good idea to consult your union. Also to get a good lawyer who specializes in DUI. Check with Human Resources Department to find any literature that can provide an amicable resolution of this matter. Typically, the union won't let management fire you without first having tried and failed to complete an internal rehab & training program. A get-back-to-wellness program.
That you are thinking Vegas for a what-the-#### trip tells me that your head is not in the right place right now. You need to step back from this chaos you brought on yourself and get out this pity party that you are spiraling down into. Just take a break and let the world spin by. Spend some time with pops and help him out around the house. Help to pay it forward. It's time to heal, 16.
No. 16
Footballguy
Should I have taken the breathalyzer or was asking for blood the better call? Asking for blood added about another 30 minutes, but I think I was over no matter what. Just depends how much more.
Dr. Awesome
Footballguy
I don't know which is better to take but I imagine it's pretty much the same thing. They calculate the time lost between getting arrested and drawing the blood and estimate what your bac was. Unless your body processes booze at an abnormally fast rate they still got you by the short and curlies.
I thought you were allowed to refuse any tests no matter what, and they could only force you to submit to a blood test with a warrant from a judge. Not sure if that's a state by state thing or if I'm just mistaken..
Kev4029
Footballguy
I think in most (all?) states you can refuse the test but they treat it as a DUI and they tend to punish you a little more harshly.And as for the blood test vs breath, it probably wouldn't have mattered but I've heard that you're better off waiting the hour or so to take the blood test. If it you are borderline .08 it may make a difference, but if you are smashed you would be screwed regardless.
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valhallan
Footballguy
16 needs none of this. Stop, FFA.
My understanding from a lawyer friend is that you're arrested as suspected DUI and at that point the only real "evidence" against you is video, police testimony, etc. which makes it a lot easier to beat. Anyway, sorry to hi-jack. Best of luck No. 16. May be a good time to ask your poker buddy for that 4k back...
Joe Summer
Footballguy
A question for No. 16:
Did your drinking contribute to the breakup in any way? Did she ever ask you to cut back on the alcohol?
Did your drinking contribute to the breakup in any way? Did she ever ask you to cut back on the alcohol?
No. 16
Footballguy
Nope never. We always drank socially, maybe a couple of times a month we would get "drunk" when we would go out for friend's birthdays and what not. Otherwise, it would just be a beer or wine with dinner. It was only after the break up that I drank multiple times a week and after the DUI incident my drinking will be cut back to at most once a week.Honestly, I was a damn good boyfriend aside from not liking to go hiking, working out, walking the dogs, or going to church. So she finds a personal trainer who is supposedly a devout Christian. Works for her.A question for No. 16id your drinking contribute to the breakup in any way? Did she ever ask you to cut back on the alcohol?
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No. 16
Footballguy
All this actually helps me vent and get some support. My friends and family have been there for me, but hearing things from a different point of view always helps. For the most part everyone in this thread has been supportive and offering non-shtick answers. Don't see what is wrong with the thread: I get support and the FFA gets a decent thread to follow along. Works both ways. I'll decide to tomorrow about Vegas. I talked to my parents and they are fine with it. They understand if I need a little "relaxation" during this time since they know once I come back I'll get to business. Their only concern is going "overboard" with my drinking, but I intend to have a good time and limit myself. If I can do it in Vegas, I can do it anywhere. If I go I'm definitely coming back Sunday morning to rest up and hit the road on Monday. Regarding if it will affect my job. Well only my co-worker/friend who went to the party with me knows. He won't say a word. So as of now no one knows I have a DUI. However, everyone at work knows my GF of 7 years broke up with me and that I'm going to Vegas this weekend so.... yah. Don't see how it will affect my work as the "DUI" talk shouldn't surface for weeks or months from now if at all. I had work today, so it is hard to contact lawyers about a DUI offense at work. During my break time, I just researched more lawyers. When I got home from work and after crossfit, I sent out some "online consults" to a few law offices. I hope to hear from them tomorrow. Work tomorrow complicates things, but at least the lines of communication are open and I can talk after work for the few hours that the offices are open. If the lawyers can only meet Friday... then no Vegas trip. If they can meet Monday, then I'll go. It's the weekend... I won't be able to contact the union reps and many law offices are closed Saturday and Sunday. So no harm in going for the weekend if I can get the ball rolling on Monday.
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DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
My apologies. I thought you were being a wise### and not telling us the BAC based on verbiage. My bad.
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DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
Vegas probably isn't the best idea ATM. But it goes with what I said above, so if you really want to go, have at it.
Maude
Footballguy
Fine, semantics, whatever... how drunk do you think you were? Did you feel like you were fine and able to drive even though you might be legally intoxicated, or were you rip-roaring drunk, swerving all over the road?
dparker713
Footballguy
DUI laws are extremely state specific and often fairly convoluted. There really is no generally applicable advice.
And non-spontaneous.
