If you were in charge of SF (1 Viewer)

[mdlane]

Nate Davis is not an NFL QB. He is not an option here. He has a learning disability that prevented him from learning the playbook. His skill as an NFL head coach is limited to throwing bombs against 3rd string defenses.

How do you know that? Because Singletary said so? I call BS on anything the Niners coaching staff and/or management had to say about QBs in the 2010 offseason given their single-minded goal to strip the team of any viable alternative to Alex Smith.

I'd like to see Davis play a couple full in-season games before 2011. I think we NEED to see Davis play a couple in-season games before 2011. Unless Alex Smith runs the table from here (he won't) he should be gone or demoted by 2011.

It's not a difficult determination to assess whether a QB can even learn a playbook. It's been reported many times since they drafted him. If he was making any progress at all he would be on the active roster in a backup role by now. It's incredibly telling how they went and got Carr instead of continuing to develop Davis. He had to be making no progress whatsoever.The only plays we've seen from Davis have been against pre-season third string defenses.

Well, let's see.The Niners get rid of Hill, who performed better, win-wise, than Smith.

The Niners bring on Carr, who they admit posed no thread to Smith's job.

The Niners slam Davis, when the fans start talking controversy based on a couple preseason games.

What is incredibly telling is that Singletary was obsessive and squashed any possible threat to Alex Smith's job. What is incredibly telling is that the Niners kept tabs on Nate Davis and have continued to develop him - while publicly deriding him. What is incredibly telling is that the Niners' new offensive coordinator is a believer in Nate Davis.

I'm not putting on a tinfoil hat, but I think it's pretty clear the Niners spent the 2010 offseason putting out a propaganda campaign to squash any alternatives to Alex Smith. I think it's just as likely that Nate Davis was a victim of that as it is that Singletary made his first correct assessment of a QB's ability.

 

[footballnerd]

Nate Davis is not an NFL QB. He is not an option here. He has a learning disability that prevented him from learning the playbook. His skill as an NFL head coach is limited to throwing bombs against 3rd string defenses.

How do you know that? Because Singletary said so? I call BS on anything the Niners coaching staff and/or management had to say about QBs in the 2010 offseason given their single-minded goal to strip the team of any viable alternative to Alex Smith.

I'd like to see Davis play a couple full in-season games before 2011. I think we NEED to see Davis play a couple in-season games before 2011. Unless Alex Smith runs the table from here (he won't) he should be gone or demoted by 2011.

Niners have done everything to preserve AS as the starter, like bringing in David Carr as a non-threat and sending Shaun Hill who was 10-6 as a niner away for a 7th round pick. The backup QB for the Detroit Niners would definitely ran this offense far better than Alex Smith. If you don't think those types of transactions happen look at Minny and Sage Rosenfelt.

 

[butcher boy]

Nate Davis is not an NFL QB. He is not an option here. He has a learning disability that prevented him from learning the playbook. His skill as an NFL head coach is limited to throwing bombs against 3rd string defenses.

How do you know that? Because Singletary said so? I call BS on anything the Niners coaching staff and/or management had to say about QBs in the 2010 offseason given their single-minded goal to strip the team of any viable alternative to Alex Smith.

I'd like to see Davis play a couple full in-season games before 2011. I think we NEED to see Davis play a couple in-season games before 2011. Unless Alex Smith runs the table from here (he won't) he should be gone or demoted by 2011.

It's not a difficult determination to assess whether a QB can even learn a playbook. It's been reported many times since they drafted him. If he was making any progress at all he would be on the active roster in a backup role by now. It's incredibly telling how they went and got Carr instead of continuing to develop Davis. He had to be making no progress whatsoever.The only plays we've seen from Davis have been against pre-season third string defenses.

Well, let's see.The Niners get rid of Hill, who performed better, win-wise, than Smith.

The Niners bring on Carr, who they admit posed no thread to Smith's job.

The Niners slam Davis, when the fans start talking controversy based on a couple preseason games.

What is incredibly telling is that Singletary was obsessive and squashed any possible threat to Alex Smith's job. What is incredibly telling is that the Niners kept tabs on Nate Davis and have continued to develop him - while publicly deriding him. What is incredibly telling is that the Niners' new offensive coordinator is a believer in Nate Davis.

I'm not putting on a tinfoil hat, but I think it's pretty clear the Niners spent the 2010 offseason putting out a propaganda campaign to squash any alternatives to Alex Smith. I think it's just as likely that Nate Davis was a victim of that as it is that Singletary made his first correct assessment of a QB's ability.

If Nate Davis is such a good and promising prospect, then why didn't anyone claim him when the 49ers waived him?

 

[Godsbrother]

I voted for Alex Smith because that is the best that SF has. David Carr? He would be pulled after 2 quarters. He has been a backup for so long because he is a back up.

The SF problems are not just at QB. The Oline is weak. The WR corp is weak. The play calling is "off". I cannot put a finger on it, but the offense never seems to look comfortable or get into a rythem.

The problems with the 49ers goes well beyond the QB. To begin to fix the problem they need to axe Singletary, whose has clearly lost his team.

 

[Dr. Awesome]

From glancing at this thread, it seems more Niner fans are blaming Smith and there's a higher percent of non homers claiming other things are to blame.

 

[CalBear]

From glancing at this thread, it seems more Niner fans are blaming Smith and there's a higher percent of non homers claiming other things are to blame.

Smith sucks. There are lots of other problems. These points of view are not contradictory.

 

[butcher boy]

Yeah it's not an either or situation when it comes to blame. The facts are pretty much:

- Smith sucks

- Singletary sucks

- Smith is the best QB option this team has right now.

 

[Slevin Kelevra]

It's not even close. Smith is the best they have. It's not all on him. Brees threw a pick six yesterday. Manning has done it several times in his career.They need a better team, a better coach, and a better game plan. He had them in the game.

YeahLet's compare Alex Smith to Brees or Manning

 

[FavreCo]

There is only one obvious answer to this...as bad as it is.

RB Frank Gore. "I didn't want David to come in," Gore said.

double Frank. You obviously see what that clown looks like in practice. He would get someone hurt with his ineptitude.

People chose Carr and Davis. ...and Troy Smith.

 

[gotexansgo]

There is only one obvious answer to this...as bad as it is.RB Frank Gore. "I didn't want David to come in," Gore said. double Frank. You obviously see what that clown looks like in practice. He would get someone hurt with his ineptitude.People chose Carr and Davis. ...and Troy Smith.

I choose Davis or Troy because Id rather go with the unknown then the same old story all over again that is Alex Smith.

 

[Godsbrother]

There is only one obvious answer to this...as bad as it is.RB Frank Gore. "I didn't want David to come in," Gore said. double Frank. You obviously see what that clown looks like in practice. He would get someone hurt with his ineptitude.People chose Carr and Davis. ...and Troy Smith.

Agreed. That pretty much says it all.On the topic of Gore he really didn't have a stellar night last night either: 2.8 ypc and lost 2 fumbles.

 

[Tybeeman]

This is just a nice reminder that being a Steelers fan is sweet

 

[butcher boy]

There is only one obvious answer to this...as bad as it is.RB Frank Gore. "I didn't want David to come in," Gore said. double Frank. You obviously see what that clown looks like in practice. He would get someone hurt with his ineptitude.People chose Carr and Davis. ...and Troy Smith.

I choose Davis or Troy because Id rather go with the unknown then the same old story all over again that is Alex Smith.

Davis and Troy are not unknowns. They suck, even more than Smith.

 

[pizzatyme]

It's not even close. Smith is the best they have. It's not all on him. Brees threw a pick six yesterday. Manning has done it several times in his career.They need a better team, a better coach, and a better game plan. He had them in the game.

YeahLet's compare Alex Smith to Brees or Manning

YeahLet's completely miss the point.

 

[Slevin Kelevra]

It's not even close. Smith is the best they have. It's not all on him. Brees threw a pick six yesterday. Manning has done it several times in his career.They need a better team, a better coach, and a better game plan. He had them in the game.

YeahLet's compare Alex Smith to Brees or Manning

YeahLet's completely miss the point.

Alex Smith SUCKSthat's the point

 

[FavreCo]

The minute Alex Smith runs from the pocket when there is no need to and hauls ### towards the sidelines, head tucked down, never once looking up to see if anyone is open and takes a loss of yards, when he is allowed to throw the ball away, I'll say he sucks as bad as David Carr. That is David Carr, $1 million a year backup QB.

 

[dino259]

There is only one obvious answer to this...as bad as it is.RB Frank Gore. "I didn't want David to come in," Gore said. double :( Frank. You obviously see what that clown looks like in practice. He would get someone hurt with his ineptitude.People chose Carr and Davis. ...and Troy Smith.

I choose Davis or Troy because Id rather go with the unknown then the same old story all over again that is Alex Smith.

Davis and Troy are not unknowns. They suck, even more than Smith.

How is Troy Smith not an unknown? How many NFL regular season games has he started? he was slated to be the starter for the ravens before flacco except he got sick at the start of the season and flacco lead them to early wins. I think Troy should get a look.

 

[Slevin Kelevra]

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=alexcuses

Alexcuse

Excuses by Alexsexuals blaming everyone and all other factors possible outside of NFL quarterback Alex Smith himself to explain why he's such an utterly pathetic football player and the biggest bust in NFL history.

"The reason Alex has done so poorly is due to the awful coaching, offensive line, wide receivers as well as the stadium winds. He's a good player and he's young with lots of potential!!!"

"You are such an unbelievable Smith nut hugger listing a pile of ALEXCUSES! Shaun Hill has succeeded with those same exact factors."

 

[Dr. Awesome]

The minute Alex Smith runs from the pocket when there is no need to and hauls ### towards the sidelines, head tucked down, never once looking up to see if anyone is open and takes a loss of yards, when he is allowed to throw the ball away, I'll say he sucks as bad as David Carr. That is David Carr, $1 million a year backup QB.

David Carr is not what the anti-Smith crowd is voting for. Right now Carr is slightly ahead of the group that wants to either sign Garcia or snap the ball directly to Gore.

 

[CalBear]

How is Troy Smith not an unknown? How many NFL regular season games has he started? he was slated to be the starter for the ravens before flacco except he got sick at the start of the season and flacco lead them to early wins. I think Troy should get a look.

Troy Smith at QB is an unknown in the same way that Ray Lewis at QB is an unknown. Fans have this ridiculous idea that the only way to evaluate a QB is to put him in in a game situation. It's not only not necessary, it's more likely to give you bad information than good.

 

[gotexansgo]

Troy Smith at QB is an unknown in the same way that Ray Lewis at QB is an unknown. Fans have this ridiculous idea that the only way to evaluate a QB is to put him in in a game situation. It's not only not necessary, it's more likely to give you bad information than good.

huh? Throwing a QB in a game situation sounds like a very solid way to get a read on what the player can do. What do the 9ers have to lose? There 0-5 why not trot Troy or Davis out there and see what happens? Maybe they can spark something at worst they lose games, which is exactly what there doing now....Alex isnt the answer now or next year so why delay this decision?

 

[mdlane]

How is Troy Smith not an unknown? How many NFL regular season games has he started? he was slated to be the starter for the ravens before flacco except he got sick at the start of the season and flacco lead them to early wins. I think Troy should get a look.

Troy Smith at QB is an unknown in the same way that Ray Lewis at QB is an unknown. Fans have this ridiculous idea that the only way to evaluate a QB is to put him in in a game situation. It's not only not necessary, it's more likely to give you bad information than good.

Out of curiosity, how else are fans supposed to evaluate a QB?

 

[footballnerd]

There is only one obvious answer to this...as bad as it is.RB Frank Gore. "I didn't want David to come in," Gore said. double Frank. You obviously see what that clown looks like in practice. He would get someone hurt with his ineptitude.People chose Carr and Davis. ...and Troy Smith.

Although there are some things to work on, Shaun Hill would of been 4-1 as a starter last year if it wasn't for a spectacular throw by Brett Favre. So we know that this team can win under a semi decent QB who can just do enough to run the offense and not make bonehead plays. A backup QB for the DET Lions lead us to almost a 4-1 record!Its not so much that these backups are the answer, and sucks that they are our only alternatives, but that it's time for a change. We've seen enough of AS, make all the excuses you want but we've seen pretty much what he can do. Next year we def need to be looking for a new QB, a vet, someone without the mistakes, and a new HC since he's put himself in bed with the kid.

 

[CalBear]

How is Troy Smith not an unknown? How many NFL regular season games has he started? he was slated to be the starter for the ravens before flacco except he got sick at the start of the season and flacco lead them to early wins. I think Troy should get a look.

Troy Smith at QB is an unknown in the same way that Ray Lewis at QB is an unknown. Fans have this ridiculous idea that the only way to evaluate a QB is to put him in in a game situation. It's not only not necessary, it's more likely to give you bad information than good.

Out of curiosity, how else are fans supposed to evaluate a QB?

Why on earth would the team care about giving the fans an opportunity to evaluate their QBs? Is the coaching staff so incompetent that the fan evaluation will be better?

 

[Peeps Inc.]

Alex Smith may or may not be the answer but David Carr is filth puke garbage, there is no way Carr gives them a better chance to win, I would still explore other options via trade or draft but for now Smith is clearly their best option.

 

[butcher boy]

How is Troy Smith not an unknown? How many NFL regular season games has he started? he was slated to be the starter for the ravens before flacco except he got sick at the start of the season and flacco lead them to early wins. I think Troy should get a look.

Troy Smith at QB is an unknown in the same way that Ray Lewis at QB is an unknown. Fans have this ridiculous idea that the only way to evaluate a QB is to put him in in a game situation. It's not only not necessary, it's more likely to give you bad information than good.

Out of curiosity, how else are fans supposed to evaluate a QB?

When players are given time to develop and then can't learn the playbook and subsequently can't get picked up by a team after being waived, or if they can't win a starting job over Joe Flacco and Kyle Boller, I think it's a pretty good evaluation that they suck.

 

[Dr. Awesome]

How is Troy Smith not an unknown? How many NFL regular season games has he started? he was slated to be the starter for the ravens before flacco except he got sick at the start of the season and flacco lead them to early wins. I think Troy should get a look.

Troy Smith at QB is an unknown in the same way that Ray Lewis at QB is an unknown. Fans have this ridiculous idea that the only way to evaluate a QB is to put him in in a game situation. It's not only not necessary, it's more likely to give you bad information than good.

Out of curiosity, how else are fans supposed to evaluate a QB?

Why on earth would the team care about giving the fans an opportunity to evaluate their QBs? Is the coaching staff so incompetent that the fan evaluation will be better?

TBD.

 

[FavreCo]

Alex Smith may or may not be the answer but David Carr is filth puke garbage, there is no way Carr gives them a better chance to win, I would still explore other options via trade or draft but for now Smith is clearly their best option.

Nice. He's a thief too.

 

[Clifford]

For those of you voting for Smith...why? Have you watched the last 6 years?

I think for the same reason that Singletary kept him in the game: unfortunately, he's their best shot. All their coaching has gone into him. This is on Singletary for not having a true open competition at QB. Alex Smith is the most prepared QB they have.Smith truly is the Omega and for brief stints the Alpha. His terrible decision making and boneheaded moves gave the Eagles the game, but he did manage to get over his mistakes, lead two great scoring drives and almost put them into a position to tie. And unfortunately he is both of those guys and always will be. I really couldn't imagine anything more frustrating. Wait a second, what am I saying??? Talk to me when you've endured decades of total and repeated ineptitude at the position. You guys are just spoiled.

 

[toxicbees]

Apparently he's phenomenal in practice, and he's really intelligent. But all I see is a deer stuck in headlights, he panics and makes bad decisions.

I'm fairly confident that any other starting QB in the league would do better than Smith. The niners are stacked on offense. Not many offenses have Vernon Davis, Gore, Crabtree, Morgan, Ginn Jr, as well as an offensive line filled with first and second round picks.

Why is this offense so bad?

 

[Houston turmOiler]

For those of you voting for Smith...why? Have you watched the last 6 years?

I feel ya, but I also watched David Carr many years here in Houston. As bad as Smith is at times, he's miles better than Carr....

 

[Dr. Awesome]

For those of you voting for Smith...why? Have you watched the last 6 years?

I feel ya, but I also watched David Carr many years here in Houston. As bad as Smith is at times, he's miles better than Carr....

I don't disagree. I didn't vote for Carr. Even the Smith bashers are torn between Troy Smith and Nate Davis, but nobody who follows this team and/or Carr's career is picking this choice.

 

[NinerFan49]

It's not even close. Smith is the best they have. It's not all on him. Brees threw a pick six yesterday. Manning has done it several times in his career.

They need a better team, a better coach, and a better game plan. He had them in the game.

+1Smith is the best QB on the team and gives the team the best chance to win. Even though they are 0-5, the division is so weak that they still have a chance to make the playoffs. Once that option disappears (which it may soon), if I were GM, I might give Nate Davis a shot.

But if I were going to do that, I'd first try to prepare Davis. The way the NFL works now, the first string QB gets almost all of the snaps with the starting offense and the backups get very little in the way of instruction.

History has shown that the transition from college to the NFL is a rough one for all positions, especially QBs. So even if the Niners take a QB with a first or second round draft pick, there's no guarantee that he will turn out to be better than Smith (the first overall pick in 2005). Davis has a rocket arm and quick feet. If the team were to commit to developing him, he might turn out to be better than anyone they draft next season.