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Yes that is the question. You can't see the difference and perception of Dr. Kings march on Washington and burning down a Costco after a news report or are you trollin?You mean why do disenfranchised, repressed, hopeless, segments of the population sometimes loot and riot when they begin to also be murdered?
So you are aware that everyone does it, then? May I ask why are you only curious about black people doing it?Where do you see him saying only black people do it? He specifically asked why a culture that he is not familiar with does something.I'm curious as to why you think only black people do it.Why do black people steal and loot stores and destroy property when they protest? It's like they want to have a collective voice to say they don't want to be profiled as criminals because of the color of their skin, and then they go out and do criminal acts.
Of course I don't mean all black people do this, but it seems to be pretty damn common and I don't understand the purpose.
I'm no expert, and I can only go by the reports I'm aware of, but the proportion of blacks committing these specific actions in these situations are much much higher than other races. It seems to be a culture thing that's comprised mostly of blacks that happens when this culture seems to try to get organized. I understand the protests, and think that it's a positive thing on their own, but this byproduct of the culture organizing baffles me and seems to only hurt the credit that gaining a collective voice/movement is a positive thing.So you are aware that everyone does it, then? May I ask why are you only curious about black people doing it?Where do you see him saying only black people do it? He specifically asked why a culture that he is not familiar with does something.I'm curious as to why you think only black people do it.Why do black people steal and loot stores and destroy property when they protest? It's like they want to have a collective voice to say they don't want to be profiled as criminals because of the color of their skin, and then they go out and do criminal acts.
Of course I don't mean all black people do this, but it seems to be pretty damn common and I don't understand the purpose.
Sure you do, nice try. As a white guy I know my pizza ordering, tv and sexual habits. However have no idea how certain programs on BET actually made it through production and watching the Black shopping network is a whole hella different experience that QVC.Because he specified that he's curious as to why "black people" do it. That suggests he thinks it is something that's done only or almost only by black people, because the question would make no sense if he thought everyone did it. It would be like asking why black people order pizza or watch television or try to talk their girlfriends into threesomes. You don't ask why a certain minority does a certain thing if you are aware that it's something that everybody does.Where do you see him saying only black people do it? He specifically asked why a culture that he is not familiar with does something.I'm curious as to why you think only black people do it.Why do black people steal and loot stores and destroy property when they protest? It's like they want to have a collective voice to say they don't want to be profiled as criminals because of the color of their skin, and then they go out and do criminal acts.
Of course I don't mean all black people do this, but it seems to be pretty damn common and I don't understand the purpose.
Because I know what set my peeps off, so I don't need to ask.So you are aware that everyone does it, then? May I ask why are you only curious about black people doing it?Where do you see him saying only black people do it? He specifically asked why a culture that he is not familiar with does something.I'm curious as to why you think only black people do it.Why do black people steal and loot stores and destroy property when they protest? It's like they want to have a collective voice to say they don't want to be profiled as criminals because of the color of their skin, and then they go out and do criminal acts.
Of course I don't mean all black people do this, but it seems to be pretty damn common and I don't understand the purpose.
Sure you do, nice try. As a white guy I know my pizza ordering, tv and sexual habits. However have no idea how certain programs on BET actually made it through production and watching the Black shopping network is a whole hella different experience that QVC.Because he specified that he's curious as to why "black people" do it. That suggests he thinks it is something that's done only or almost only by black people, because the question would make no sense if he thought everyone did it. It would be like asking why black people order pizza or watch television or try to talk their girlfriends into threesomes. You don't ask why a certain minority does a certain thing if you are aware that it's something that everybody does.Where do you see him saying only black people do it? He specifically asked why a culture that he is not familiar with does something.I'm curious as to why you think only black people do it.Why do black people steal and loot stores and destroy property when they protest? It's like they want to have a collective voice to say they don't want to be profiled as criminals because of the color of their skin, and then they go out and do criminal acts.
Of course I don't mean all black people do this, but it seems to be pretty damn common and I don't understand the purpose.
I know my beliefs and political mindness as a white guy and have a pretty good grasp on what would set my culture to political action and rioting.
You are being intellectually dishonest if you don't think that there are entire industries trying to distinguish why certain groups buy,eat,sell,vote,drive, locate and consume goods the way they do.
The question is as legitimate as why do white people like Kenny G, simply saying that there are some black people that like Kenny G and everyone loves music does not make it a racist question.
Yeah, I'm the one being intellectually dishonest.
Not everyone responds peaceably. Concurrent with MLK were the Black Panthers.Yes that is the question. You can't see the difference and perception of Dr. Kings march on Washington and burning down a Costco after a news report or are you trollin?You mean why do disenfranchised, repressed, hopeless, segments of the population sometimes loot and riot when they begin to also be murdered?
Maybe you can contact the guy who wrote this and you guys can explain your cultures to each other.I'm no expert, and I can only go by the reports I'm aware of, but the proportion of blacks committing these specific actions in these situations are much much higher than other races. It seems to be a culture thing that's comprised mostly of blacks that happens when this culture seems to try to get organized. I understand the protests, and think that it's a positive thing on their own, but this byproduct of the culture organizing baffles me and seems to only hurt the credit that gaining a collective voice/movement is a positive thing.So you are aware that everyone does it, then? May I ask why are you only curious about black people doing it?Where do you see him saying only black people do it? He specifically asked why a culture that he is not familiar with does something.I'm curious as to why you think only black people do it.Why do black people steal and loot stores and destroy property when they protest? It's like they want to have a collective voice to say they don't want to be profiled as criminals because of the color of their skin, and then they go out and do criminal acts.
Of course I don't mean all black people do this, but it seems to be pretty damn common and I don't understand the purpose.
So you think it is the same reason. Where did we resolve that?Sure you do, nice try. As a white guy I know my pizza ordering, tv and sexual habits. However have no idea how certain programs on BET actually made it through production and watching the Black shopping network is a whole hella different experience that QVC.Because he specified that he's curious as to why "black people" do it. That suggests he thinks it is something that's done only or almost only by black people, because the question would make no sense if he thought everyone did it. It would be like asking why black people order pizza or watch television or try to talk their girlfriends into threesomes. You don't ask why a certain minority does a certain thing if you are aware that it's something that everybody does.Where do you see him saying only black people do it? He specifically asked why a culture that he is not familiar with does something.I'm curious as to why you think only black people do it.Why do black people steal and loot stores and destroy property when they protest? It's like they want to have a collective voice to say they don't want to be profiled as criminals because of the color of their skin, and then they go out and do criminal acts.
Of course I don't mean all black people do this, but it seems to be pretty damn common and I don't understand the purpose.
I know my beliefs and political mindness as a white guy and have a pretty good grasp on what would set my culture to political action and rioting.
You are being intellectually dishonest if you don't think that there are entire industries trying to distinguish why certain groups buy,eat,sell,vote,drive, locate and consume goods the way they do.
The question is as legitimate as why do white people like Kenny G, simply saying that there are some black people that like Kenny G and everyone loves music does not make it a racist question.
If he really did intend to ask the question ask you interpret it, then the simple answer is "the same reason white people riot and loot." Wow, glad we resolved that brain-buster.
Yeah, I get the anger response, even if it is counter productive but I don't know why it has become the more common response as opposed to the organized peaceful protest which I think garners far more favor and results with the rest of the public.Not everyone responds peaceably. Concurrent with MLK were the Black Panthers.Yes that is the question. You can't see the difference and perception of Dr. Kings march on Washington and burning down a Costco after a news report or are you trollin?You mean why do disenfranchised, repressed, hopeless, segments of the population sometimes loot and riot when they begin to also be murdered?
Same for all races. E.g., when one team keeps taking cheap shots in a contest, sometimes the victim will stoically withstand the abuse, sometimes the knock the #### out of the offender. Everyone has different fuse lengths and volatility.
It's not even close to being the more common response. For example every single reporter on the ground in Ferguson that I've heard from has said that the peaceful protests vastly outnumber the riots and looting. It's just that the riots and the looting gets reported because it's more sensational.Yeah, I get the anger response, even if it is counter productive but I don't know why it has become the more common response as opposed to the organized peaceful protest which I think garners far more favor and results with the rest of the public.Not everyone responds peaceably. Concurrent with MLK were the Black Panthers.Yes that is the question. You can't see the difference and perception of Dr. Kings march on Washington and burning down a Costco after a news report or are you trollin?You mean why do disenfranchised, repressed, hopeless, segments of the population sometimes loot and riot when they begin to also be murdered?
Same for all races. E.g., when one team keeps taking cheap shots in a contest, sometimes the victim will stoically withstand the abuse, sometimes the knock the #### out of the offender. Everyone has different fuse lengths and volatility.
When opportunity knocks, you have to open the door, and grab anything you can get your hands on.Yeah, I get the anger response, even if it is counter productive but I don't know why it has become the more common response as opposed to the organized peaceful protest which I think garners far more favor and results with the rest of the public.Not everyone responds peaceably. Concurrent with MLK were the Black Panthers.Yes that is the question. You can't see the difference and perception of Dr. Kings march on Washington and burning down a Costco after a news report or are you trollin?You mean why do disenfranchised, repressed, hopeless, segments of the population sometimes loot and riot when they begin to also be murdered?
Same for all races. E.g., when one team keeps taking cheap shots in a contest, sometimes the victim will stoically withstand the abuse, sometimes the knock the #### out of the offender. Everyone has different fuse lengths and volatility.
His quotes perfectly spell out the problem: Cops really do believe they have a right to tell anyone to do anything and not complying with that is a crime in and of itself. They consider it appropriate to punish this crime with use of force, even deadly force.
We didn't resolve it. I came to that conclusion for myself, because I don't think skin color affects a groups' propensity to riot and loot. I think any differences that may exist if you did a study of the data would be due to socioeconomic differences, not racial ones. You can feel free to disagree if you like.So you think it is the same reason. Where did we resolve that?Sure you do, nice try. As a white guy I know my pizza ordering, tv and sexual habits. However have no idea how certain programs on BET actually made it through production and watching the Black shopping network is a whole hella different experience that QVC.Because he specified that he's curious as to why "black people" do it. That suggests he thinks it is something that's done only or almost only by black people, because the question would make no sense if he thought everyone did it. It would be like asking why black people order pizza or watch television or try to talk their girlfriends into threesomes. You don't ask why a certain minority does a certain thing if you are aware that it's something that everybody does.Where do you see him saying only black people do it? He specifically asked why a culture that he is not familiar with does something.I'm curious as to why you think only black people do it.Why do black people steal and loot stores and destroy property when they protest? It's like they want to have a collective voice to say they don't want to be profiled as criminals because of the color of their skin, and then they go out and do criminal acts.
Of course I don't mean all black people do this, but it seems to be pretty damn common and I don't understand the purpose.
I know my beliefs and political mindness as a white guy and have a pretty good grasp on what would set my culture to political action and rioting.
You are being intellectually dishonest if you don't think that there are entire industries trying to distinguish why certain groups buy,eat,sell,vote,drive, locate and consume goods the way they do.
The question is as legitimate as why do white people like Kenny G, simply saying that there are some black people that like Kenny G and everyone loves music does not make it a racist question.
If he really did intend to ask the question ask you interpret it, then the simple answer is "the same reason white people riot and loot." Wow, glad we resolved that brain-buster.
Oh wait did Ohio State win another national championship?
See there you go. I knew I could get something out of you. The media shows a guy like Pots that blacks riot every time something happens and he can't understand why a different culture riots all the time. And being the crusty old grouch you are you have to go through the prerequisite racism chasing and nonsense before you give a real answer.It's not even close to being the more common response. For example every single reporter on the ground in Ferguson that I've heard from has said that the peaceful protests vastly outnumber the riots and looting. It's just that the riots and the looting gets reported because it's more sensational.Yeah, I get the anger response, even if it is counter productive but I don't know why it has become the more common response as opposed to the organized peaceful protest which I think garners far more favor and results with the rest of the public.Not everyone responds peaceably. Concurrent with MLK were the Black Panthers.Yes that is the question. You can't see the difference and perception of Dr. Kings march on Washington and burning down a Costco after a news report or are you trollin?You mean why do disenfranchised, repressed, hopeless, segments of the population sometimes loot and riot when they begin to also be murdered?
Same for all races. E.g., when one team keeps taking cheap shots in a contest, sometimes the victim will stoically withstand the abuse, sometimes the knock the #### out of the offender. Everyone has different fuse lengths and volatility.
See there you go. I knew I could get something out of you. The media shows a guy like Pots that blacks riot every time something happens and he can't understand why a different culture riots all the time. And being the crusty old grouch you are you have to go through the prerequisite racism chasing and nonsense before you give a real answer.It's not even close to being the more common response. For example every single reporter on the ground in Ferguson that I've heard from has said that the peaceful protests vastly outnumber the riots and looting. It's just that the riots and the looting gets reported because it's more sensational.Yeah, I get the anger response, even if it is counter productive but I don't know why it has become the more common response as opposed to the organized peaceful protest which I think garners far more favor and results with the rest of the public.Not everyone responds peaceably. Concurrent with MLK were the Black Panthers.Yes that is the question. You can't see the difference and perception of Dr. Kings march on Washington and burning down a Costco after a news report or are you trollin?You mean why do disenfranchised, repressed, hopeless, segments of the population sometimes loot and riot when they begin to also be murdered?
Same for all races. E.g., when one team keeps taking cheap shots in a contest, sometimes the victim will stoically withstand the abuse, sometimes the knock the #### out of the offender. Everyone has different fuse lengths and volatility.
You think that all cultures basically riot for the same reasons and blacks are not more prone to rioting but the real issue is over reporting of black misconduct by the media.
I get my news from CNN/FBGSee there you go. I knew I could get something out of you. The media shows a guy like Pots that blacks riot every time something happens and he can't understand why a different culture riots all the time. And being the crusty old grouch you are you have to go through the prerequisite racism chasing and nonsense before you give a real answer.It's not even close to being the more common response. For example every single reporter on the ground in Ferguson that I've heard from has said that the peaceful protests vastly outnumber the riots and looting. It's just that the riots and the looting gets reported because it's more sensational.Yeah, I get the anger response, even if it is counter productive but I don't know why it has become the more common response as opposed to the organized peaceful protest which I think garners far more favor and results with the rest of the public.Not everyone responds peaceably. Concurrent with MLK were the Black Panthers.Yes that is the question. You can't see the difference and perception of Dr. Kings march on Washington and burning down a Costco after a news report or are you trollin?You mean why do disenfranchised, repressed, hopeless, segments of the population sometimes loot and riot when they begin to also be murdered?
Same for all races. E.g., when one team keeps taking cheap shots in a contest, sometimes the victim will stoically withstand the abuse, sometimes the knock the #### out of the offender. Everyone has different fuse lengths and volatility.
You think that all cultures basically riot for the same reasons and blacks are not more prone to rioting but the real issue is over reporting of black misconduct by the media.
Come on, though. If you really think black people riot every time something happens and white people don't you can't really blame that on "the media" completely. That's either a product of your own racism or your indefensible decision to get your news exclusively from Fox/Drudge/Breitbart, which is just as bad as racism.
Later, you can ask for a supervisor, lodge a complaint or contact civil rights organizations if you believe your rights were violated. Feel free to sue the police! Just don't challenge a cop during a stop.
Do you really think black people riot every time something happens and other races don't? I mean, come on- a few idiots from all races riot when our sports teams win (or lose) championships. White people riot when the get too drunk and ornery at surfing competitions. Even the gay community riots if the cops cross the line. This stuff happens all the time.I get my news from CNN/FBGSee there you go. I knew I could get something out of you. The media shows a guy like Pots that blacks riot every time something happens and he can't understand why a different culture riots all the time. And being the crusty old grouch you are you have to go through the prerequisite racism chasing and nonsense before you give a real answer.It's not even close to being the more common response. For example every single reporter on the ground in Ferguson that I've heard from has said that the peaceful protests vastly outnumber the riots and looting. It's just that the riots and the looting gets reported because it's more sensational.Yeah, I get the anger response, even if it is counter productive but I don't know why it has become the more common response as opposed to the organized peaceful protest which I think garners far more favor and results with the rest of the public.Not everyone responds peaceably. Concurrent with MLK were the Black Panthers.Yes that is the question. You can't see the difference and perception of Dr. Kings march on Washington and burning down a Costco after a news report or are you trollin?You mean why do disenfranchised, repressed, hopeless, segments of the population sometimes loot and riot when they begin to also be murdered?
Same for all races. E.g., when one team keeps taking cheap shots in a contest, sometimes the victim will stoically withstand the abuse, sometimes the knock the #### out of the offender. Everyone has different fuse lengths and volatility.
You think that all cultures basically riot for the same reasons and blacks are not more prone to rioting but the real issue is over reporting of black misconduct by the media.
Come on, though. If you really think black people riot every time something happens and white people don't you can't really blame that on "the media" completely. That's either a product of your own racism or your indefensible decision to get your news exclusively from Fox/Drudge/Breitbart, which is just as bad as racism.
Come on, though. If you really think black people riot every time something happens and white people don't you can't really blame that on "the media" completely. That's either a product of your own racism or your indefensible decision to get your news exclusively from Fox/Drudge/Breitbart, which is just as bad as racism.
No of course I don't think that blacks riot every time. But I do think when blacks do loot and riot it hurts their credibility and cause. I do think think police violence towards blacks is a real issue, however when the response is violent negative headlines you lose the neutral audience it pushes the casual observer towards a racist conclusion.
White people looted after Katrina. Remember this gem?
Come on, though. If you really think black people riot every time something happens and white people don't you can't really blame that on "the media" completely. That's either a product of your own racism or your indefensible decision to get your news exclusively from Fox/Drudge/Breitbart, which is just as bad as racism.
And to be honest without looking anything up I can't remember a recent political riot/lootfest by whitey. I am sure there are examples but I don't remember it.
Yeah, I give everyone a Katrina pass if you have dolphins swimming down main street it's every man for himself at that point.White people looted after Katrina. Remember this gem?
Come on, though. If you really think black people riot every time something happens and white people don't you can't really blame that on "the media" completely. That's either a product of your own racism or your indefensible decision to get your news exclusively from Fox/Drudge/Breitbart, which is just as bad as racism.
And to be honest without looking anything up I can't remember a recent political riot/lootfest by whitey. I am sure there are examples but I don't remember it.
Rioting and looting is usually triggered by a feeling that your group is being treated unfairly by the authorities. That's why it's usually not necessarily just "white people" but fans or a certain sports team, or socialists protesting economic policies, or gays being arrested and jailed for being gay.
This is exactly what I am talking about. A cop does not have the right to boss anyone around he or she chooses. Not obeying a cops every word is not a crime. It's just that cops think it is and our society reinforces this belief by almost never actually making cops respect laws concerning individual rights.
They can't vote?You mean why do disenfranchised, repressed, hopeless, segments of the population sometimes loot and riot when they begin to also be murdered?
CAn ex-felons vote?They can't vote?You mean why do disenfranchised, repressed, hopeless, segments of the population sometimes loot and riot when they begin to also be murdered?
Ooh, look who's throwing out the racist assumptions.cosjobs said:CAn ex-felons vote?Christo said:They can't vote?cosjobs said:You mean why do disenfranchised, repressed, hopeless, segments of the population sometimes loot and riot when they begin to also be murdered?
Yes it is, it seems like black folks have several good reasons for resisting arrest automatically attacking police officers who are just doing routine police duties.
Yeah he fell right into that one. OuchOoh, look who's throwing out the racist assumptions.cosjobs said:CAn ex-felons vote?Christo said:They can't vote?cosjobs said:You mean why do disenfranchised, repressed, hopeless, segments of the population sometimes loot and riot when they begin to also be murdered?
Didn't fall into anything, just pointed out one of the many problems of his over simplified response. But he knew that.Yeah he fell right into that one. OuchOoh, look who's throwing out the racist assumptions.cosjobs said:CAn ex-felons vote?Christo said:They can't vote?cosjobs said:You mean why do disenfranchised, repressed, hopeless, segments of the population sometimes loot and riot when they begin to also be murdered?
So can they vote or not?Didn't fall into anything, just pointed out one of the many problems of his over simplified response. But he knew that.Yeah he fell right into that one. OuchOoh, look who's throwing out the racist assumptions.cosjobs said:CAn ex-felons vote?Christo said:They can't vote?cosjobs said:You mean why do disenfranchised, repressed, hopeless, segments of the population sometimes loot and riot when they begin to also be murdered?
The question is, as a society, do we want to simply blame the victims with clever quips or acknowledge the underlying, systemic problems and try to resolve them. We are in the cat bird seat. Nothing's going to happen to us unless we fall into a bonfire of the vanities situation. So it easy to prod from the safety of the sideline. But these vicarious reports to us are the actual lives of those portrayed. We can try and fix it or watch it grow.
South Carolina state trooper who arrested him was fired. Guy was friendly and cooperative with the cop, yet was threatened with being tased.Gandalf the Grey said:
WTF are you talking about? There's laws against discrimination. There's laws in favor of affirmative action. Free schools. The federal government steps in and investigates when a nutty deranged guy kills a black kid in bum#### Florida looking for civil rights violations. There's a black man in the White House. The last Republican president had a black woman as his Secretary of State. One of the most respected scientists in the country is a black man. The black middle class is rising. Poverty rates for blacks are falling. Blacks are more educated than they have ever been.Didn't fall into anything, just pointed out one of the many problems of his over simplified response. But he knew that.Yeah he fell right into that one. OuchOoh, look who's throwing out the racist assumptions.cosjobs said:CAn ex-felons vote?Christo said:They can't vote?cosjobs said:You mean why do disenfranchised, repressed, hopeless, segments of the population sometimes loot and riot when they begin to also be murdered?
The question is, as a society, do we want to simply blame the victims with clever quips or acknowledge the underlying, systemic problems and try to resolve them. We are in the cat bird seat. Nothing's going to happen to us unless we fall into a bonfire of the vanities situation. So it easy to prod from the safety of the sideline. But these vicarious reports to us are the actual lives of those portrayed. We can try and fix it or watch it grow.
Clearly this had led to the utopia where we now live.WTF are you talking about? There's laws against discrimination. There's laws in favor of affirmative action. Free schools. The federal government steps in and investigates when a nutty deranged guy kills a black kid in bum#### Florida looking for civil rights violations. There's a black man in the White House. The last Republican president had a black woman as his Secretary of State. One of the most respected scientists in the country is a black man. The black middle class is rising. Poverty rates for blacks are falling. Blacks are more educated than they have ever been.Didn't fall into anything, just pointed out one of the many problems of his over simplified response. But he knew that.Yeah he fell right into that one. OuchOoh, look who's throwing out the racist assumptions.cosjobs said:CAn ex-felons vote?Christo said:They can't vote?cosjobs said:You mean why do disenfranchised, repressed, hopeless, segments of the population sometimes loot and riot when they begin to also be murdered?
The question is, as a society, do we want to simply blame the victims with clever quips or acknowledge the underlying, systemic problems and try to resolve them. We are in the cat bird seat. Nothing's going to happen to us unless we fall into a bonfire of the vanities situation. So it easy to prod from the safety of the sideline. But these vicarious reports to us are the actual lives of those portrayed. We can try and fix it or watch it grow.
But, if you are a black man in America who should you be most afraid of? Other black men.
At some point you have to look at yourself.
schoolClearly this had led to the utopia where we now live.WTF are you talking about? There's laws against discrimination. There's laws in favor of affirmative action. Free schools. The federal government steps in and investigates when a nutty deranged guy kills a black kid in bum#### Florida looking for civil rights violations. There's a black man in the White House. The last Republican president had a black woman as his Secretary of State. One of the most respected scientists in the country is a black man. The black middle class is rising. Poverty rates for blacks are falling. Blacks are more educated than they have ever been.Didn't fall into anything, just pointed out one of the many problems of his over simplified response. But he knew that.Yeah he fell right into that one. OuchOoh, look who's throwing out the racist assumptions.cosjobs said:CAn ex-felons vote?Christo said:They can't vote?cosjobs said:You mean why do disenfranchised, repressed, hopeless, segments of the population sometimes loot and riot when they begin to also be murdered?
The question is, as a society, do we want to simply blame the victims with clever quips or acknowledge the underlying, systemic problems and try to resolve them. We are in the cat bird seat. Nothing's going to happen to us unless we fall into a bonfire of the vanities situation. So it easy to prod from the safety of the sideline. But these vicarious reports to us are the actual lives of those portrayed. We can try and fix it or watch it grow.
But, if you are a black man in America who should you be most afraid of? Other black men.
At some point you have to look at yourself.
I acknowledge the responsibility needs to be shared by the black population.
But people without a glimmer of hope and who feel they haven't a position in society and hope for themselves and their children do not act out in these manners. So rather than antagonizing them further, with thinly veiled racial talk, I prefer to try and see how we might improve the the societal setup.
Things are getting worse and I do not see any seismic shifts in attitude or environment that will lead to better days.
Ferguson is a good illustration of the ineffectiveness of the boot heel in these situations.
So where do we go?
More than 5.85 million adults who’ve been convicted of a felony aren’t welcome at polling places, according to data through 2010 compiled by the Sentencing Project. That’s 600,000 more than in 2004, the last time the nonprofit group crunched the numbers. The vast majority of these disenfranchised adults have been released from prison. Sentencing Project researchers found more than 4 million Americans who cannot cast a ballot because they’re on probation or parole, or live in a state that withholds the right to vote from all ex-felons. A majority of felons and ex-cons blocked from voting reside in a core of six Southern states — Alabama, Florida, Kentucky, Mississippi, Tennessee and Virginia — where more than 3 million people are banned from the rolls. Punishing people with felony records hits African Americans harder than other races: 7 percent of African Americans are disenfranchised compared to 1.8 percent of the rest of the country, the study found.So can they vote or not?Didn't fall into anything, just pointed out one of the many problems of his over simplified response. But he knew that.Yeah he fell right into that one. OuchOoh, look who's throwing out the racist assumptions.cosjobs said:CAn ex-felons vote?Christo said:They can't vote?cosjobs said:You mean why do disenfranchised, repressed, hopeless, segments of the population sometimes loot and riot when they begin to also be murdered?
The question is, as a society, do we want to simply blame the victims with clever quips or acknowledge the underlying, systemic problems and try to resolve them. We are in the cat bird seat. Nothing's going to happen to us unless we fall into a bonfire of the vanities situation. So it easy to prod from the safety of the sideline. But these vicarious reports to us are the actual lives of those portrayed. We can try and fix it or watch it grow.
Free university education?schoolClearly this had led to the utopia where we now live.WTF are you talking about? There's laws against discrimination. There's laws in favor of affirmative action. Free schools. The federal government steps in and investigates when a nutty deranged guy kills a black kid in bum#### Florida looking for civil rights violations. There's a black man in the White House. The last Republican president had a black woman as his Secretary of State. One of the most respected scientists in the country is a black man. The black middle class is rising. Poverty rates for blacks are falling. Blacks are more educated than they have ever been.Didn't fall into anything, just pointed out one of the many problems of his over simplified response. But he knew that.Yeah he fell right into that one. OuchOoh, look who's throwing out the racist assumptions.cosjobs said:CAn ex-felons vote?Christo said:They can't vote?cosjobs said:You mean why do disenfranchised, repressed, hopeless, segments of the population sometimes loot and riot when they begin to also be murdered?
The question is, as a society, do we want to simply blame the victims with clever quips or acknowledge the underlying, systemic problems and try to resolve them. We are in the cat bird seat. Nothing's going to happen to us unless we fall into a bonfire of the vanities situation. So it easy to prod from the safety of the sideline. But these vicarious reports to us are the actual lives of those portrayed. We can try and fix it or watch it grow.
But, if you are a black man in America who should you be most afraid of? Other black men.
At some point you have to look at yourself.
I acknowledge the responsibility needs to be shared by the black population.
But people without a glimmer of hope and who feel they haven't a position in society and hope for themselves and their children do not act out in these manners. So rather than antagonizing them further, with thinly veiled racial talk, I prefer to try and see how we might improve the the societal setup.
Things are getting worse and I do not see any seismic shifts in attitude or environment that will lead to better days.
Ferguson is a good illustration of the ineffectiveness of the boot heel in these situations.
So where do we go?
work (or want ads)
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who cares?? you commit a felony, you lose your right to vote.. you really want convicted felons choosing our leaders???More than 5.85 million adults who’ve been convicted of a felony aren’t welcome at polling places, according to data through 2010 compiled by the Sentencing Project. That’s 600,000 more than in 2004, the last time the nonprofit group crunched the numbers. The vast majority of these disenfranchised adults have been released from prison. Sentencing Project researchers found more than 4 million Americans who cannot cast a ballot because they’re on probation or parole, or live in a state that withholds the right to vote from all ex-felons. A majority of felons and ex-cons blocked from voting reside in a core of six Southern states — Alabama, Florida, Kentucky, Mississippi, Tennessee and Virginia — where more than 3 million people are banned from the rolls. Punishing people with felony records hits African Americans harder than other races: 7 percent of African Americans are disenfranchised compared to 1.8 percent of the rest of the country, the study found.So can they vote or not?Didn't fall into anything, just pointed out one of the many problems of his over simplified response. But he knew that.Yeah he fell right into that one. OuchOoh, look who's throwing out the racist assumptions.cosjobs said:CAn ex-felons vote?Christo said:They can't vote?cosjobs said:You mean why do disenfranchised, repressed, hopeless, segments of the population sometimes loot and riot when they begin to also be murdered?
The question is, as a society, do we want to simply blame the victims with clever quips or acknowledge the underlying, systemic problems and try to resolve them. We are in the cat bird seat. Nothing's going to happen to us unless we fall into a bonfire of the vanities situation. So it easy to prod from the safety of the sideline. But these vicarious reports to us are the actual lives of those portrayed. We can try and fix it or watch it grow.
Free university education? lets start with free high schoolschoolClearly this had led to the utopia where we now live.WTF are you talking about? There's laws against discrimination. There's laws in favor of affirmative action. Free schools. The federal government steps in and investigates when a nutty deranged guy kills a black kid in bum#### Florida looking for civil rights violations. There's a black man in the White House. The last Republican president had a black woman as his Secretary of State. One of the most respected scientists in the country is a black man. The black middle class is rising. Poverty rates for blacks are falling. Blacks are more educated than they have ever been.Didn't fall into anything, just pointed out one of the many problems of his over simplified response. But he knew that.Yeah he fell right into that one. OuchOoh, look who's throwing out the racist assumptions.cosjobs said:CAn ex-felons vote?Christo said:They can't vote?cosjobs said:You mean why do disenfranchised, repressed, hopeless, segments of the population sometimes loot and riot when they begin to also be murdered?
The question is, as a society, do we want to simply blame the victims with clever quips or acknowledge the underlying, systemic problems and try to resolve them. We are in the cat bird seat. Nothing's going to happen to us unless we fall into a bonfire of the vanities situation. So it easy to prod from the safety of the sideline. But these vicarious reports to us are the actual lives of those portrayed. We can try and fix it or watch it grow.
But, if you are a black man in America who should you be most afraid of? Other black men.
At some point you have to look at yourself.
I acknowledge the responsibility needs to be shared by the black population.
But people without a glimmer of hope and who feel they haven't a position in society and hope for themselves and their children do not act out in these manners. So rather than antagonizing them further, with thinly veiled racial talk, I prefer to try and see how we might improve the the societal setup.
Things are getting worse and I do not see any seismic shifts in attitude or environment that will lead to better days.
Ferguson is a good illustration of the ineffectiveness of the boot heel in these situations.
So where do we go?
work (or want ads)
voting booths
How about raising the minimum wage? sure..
How about actively seeking out and ending disenfranchisement? what?
If we weren't locking up all the males this might be possible. Hard to get young poor kids to get up and off to school, get homework done, etc. when single mom is working (either before or after). Hard to transfer values and instill discipline and all that other stuff when there's no Dad-or Uncle-or often even a Grandfather around. Large percentage of black males can't work because they have a record and are locked up at greater rates and for stiffer sentences than whites, and of course our wonderful right wing is doing everything it can to create obstacles for voting or minimize the impact of the minority vote.schoolwork (or want ads)Clearly this had led to the utopia where we now live.I acknowledge the responsibility needs to be shared by the black population.WTF are you talking about? There's laws against discrimination. There's laws in favor of affirmative action. Free schools. The federal government steps in and investigates when a nutty deranged guy kills a black kid in bum#### Florida looking for civil rights violations. There's a black man in the White House. The last Republican president had a black woman as his Secretary of State. One of the most respected scientists in the country is a black man. The black middle class is rising. Poverty rates for blacks are falling. Blacks are more educated than they have ever been.But, if you are a black man in America who should you be most afraid of? Other black men.Didn't fall into anything, just pointed out one of the many problems of his over simplified response. But he knew that.Yeah he fell right into that one. OuchOoh, look who's throwing out the racist assumptions.cosjobs said:CAn ex-felons vote?Christo said:They can't vote?cosjobs said:You mean why do disenfranchised, repressed, hopeless, segments of the population sometimes loot and riot when they begin to also be murdered?
The question is, as a society, do we want to simply blame the victims with clever quips or acknowledge the underlying, systemic problems and try to resolve them. We are in the cat bird seat. Nothing's going to happen to us unless we fall into a bonfire of the vanities situation. So it easy to prod from the safety of the sideline. But these vicarious reports to us are the actual lives of those portrayed. We can try and fix it or watch it grow.
At some point you have to look at yourself.
But people without a glimmer of hope and who feel they haven't a position in society and hope for themselves and their children do not act out in these manners. So rather than antagonizing them further, with thinly veiled racial talk, I prefer to try and see how we might improve the the societal setup.
Things are getting worse and I do not see any seismic shifts in attitude or environment that will lead to better days.
Ferguson is a good illustration of the ineffectiveness of the boot heel in these situations.
So where do we go?
voting booths
so how do we get these males off the streets where they get in trouble and back home to take responsibility for their kids? serious question..If we weren't locking up all the males this might be possible. Hard to get young poor kids to get up and off to school, get homework done, etc. when single mom is working (either before or after). Hard to transfer values and instill discipline and all that other stuff when there's no Dad-or Uncle-or often even a Grandfather around. Large percentage of black males can't work because they have a record and are locked up at greater rates and for stiffer sentences than whites, and of course our wonderful right wing is doing everything it can to create obstacles for voting or minimize the impact of the minority vote.schoolwork (or want ads)Clearly this had led to the utopia where we now live.I acknowledge the responsibility needs to be shared by the black population.WTF are you talking about? There's laws against discrimination. There's laws in favor of affirmative action. Free schools. The federal government steps in and investigates when a nutty deranged guy kills a black kid in bum#### Florida looking for civil rights violations. There's a black man in the White House. The last Republican president had a black woman as his Secretary of State. One of the most respected scientists in the country is a black man. The black middle class is rising. Poverty rates for blacks are falling. Blacks are more educated than they have ever been.But, if you are a black man in America who should you be most afraid of? Other black men.Didn't fall into anything, just pointed out one of the many problems of his over simplified response. But he knew that.Yeah he fell right into that one. OuchOoh, look who's throwing out the racist assumptions.cosjobs said:CAn ex-felons vote?Christo said:They can't vote?cosjobs said:You mean why do disenfranchised, repressed, hopeless, segments of the population sometimes loot and riot when they begin to also be murdered?
The question is, as a society, do we want to simply blame the victims with clever quips or acknowledge the underlying, systemic problems and try to resolve them. We are in the cat bird seat. Nothing's going to happen to us unless we fall into a bonfire of the vanities situation. So it easy to prod from the safety of the sideline. But these vicarious reports to us are the actual lives of those portrayed. We can try and fix it or watch it grow.
At some point you have to look at yourself.
But people without a glimmer of hope and who feel they haven't a position in society and hope for themselves and their children do not act out in these manners. So rather than antagonizing them further, with thinly veiled racial talk, I prefer to try and see how we might improve the the societal setup.
Things are getting worse and I do not see any seismic shifts in attitude or environment that will lead to better days.
Ferguson is a good illustration of the ineffectiveness of the boot heel in these situations.
So where do we go?
voting booths
I work with an urban pre-k population (speech therapist). I have kids who fall sound asleep immediately upon arriving at school-because they were unsupervised and up all night playing video games while mom was at work. I have kids who come to school with half chewed chicken wings in their pockets because there was nobody to get them breakfast before school. Many of my kids are being raised by grandmas and some of their mothers are 15 years old.
I don't buy one bit the "have to look at themselves" bull####. That's just "I got mine, F everyone else thinking". I know you haven't said this per se, but lots of others do.
WTF are you talking about?Clearly this had led to the utopia where we now live.WTF are you talking about? There's laws against discrimination. There's laws in favor of affirmative action. Free schools. The federal government steps in and investigates when a nutty deranged guy kills a black kid in bum#### Florida looking for civil rights violations. There's a black man in the White House. The last Republican president had a black woman as his Secretary of State. One of the most respected scientists in the country is a black man. The black middle class is rising. Poverty rates for blacks are falling. Blacks are more educated than they have ever been.Didn't fall into anything, just pointed out one of the many problems of his over simplified response. But he knew that.Yeah he fell right into that one. OuchOoh, look who's throwing out the racist assumptions.cosjobs said:CAn ex-felons vote?Christo said:They can't vote?cosjobs said:You mean why do disenfranchised, repressed, hopeless, segments of the population sometimes loot and riot when they begin to also be murdered?
The question is, as a society, do we want to simply blame the victims with clever quips or acknowledge the underlying, systemic problems and try to resolve them. We are in the cat bird seat. Nothing's going to happen to us unless we fall into a bonfire of the vanities situation. So it easy to prod from the safety of the sideline. But these vicarious reports to us are the actual lives of those portrayed. We can try and fix it or watch it grow.
But, if you are a black man in America who should you be most afraid of? Other black men.
At some point you have to look at yourself.
I acknowledge the responsibility needs to be shared by the black population.
But people without a glimmer of hope and who feel they haven't a position in society and hope for themselves and their children do not act out in these manners. So rather than antagonizing them further, with thinly veiled racial talk, I prefer to try and see how we might improve the the societal setup.
Things are getting worse and I do not see any seismic shifts in attitude or environment that will lead to better days.
Ferguson is a good illustration of the ineffectiveness of the boot heel in these situations.
So where do we go?
One way would be to stop racial profiling, which creates confrontation and effectively criminalizes a segment of the population. The war on drugs is another easy answer since that has been demonstrated to be a convenient pretext for putting blacks into the justice system.so how do we get these males off the streets where they get in trouble and back home to take responsibility for their kids? serious question..If we weren't locking up all the males this might be possible. Hard to get young poor kids to get up and off to school, get homework done, etc. when single mom is working (either before or after). Hard to transfer values and instill discipline and all that other stuff when there's no Dad-or Uncle-or often even a Grandfather around. Large percentage of black males can't work because they have a record and are locked up at greater rates and for stiffer sentences than whites, and of course our wonderful right wing is doing everything it can to create obstacles for voting or minimize the impact of the minority vote.schoolClearly this had led to the utopia where we now live.I acknowledge the responsibility needs to be shared by the black population.WTF are you talking about? There's laws against discrimination. There's laws in favor of affirmative action. Free schools. The federal government steps in and investigates when a nutty deranged guy kills a black kid in bum#### Florida looking for civil rights violations. There's a black man in the White House. The last Republican president had a black woman as his Secretary of State. One of the most respected scientists in the country is a black man. The black middle class is rising. Poverty rates for blacks are falling. Blacks are more educated than they have ever been.Didn't fall into anything, just pointed out one of the many problems of his over simplified response. But he knew that.Yeah he fell right into that one. OuchOoh, look who's throwing out the racist assumptions.cosjobs said:CAn ex-felons vote?Christo said:They can't vote?cosjobs said:You mean why do disenfranchised, repressed, hopeless, segments of the population sometimes loot and riot when they begin to also be murdered?
The question is, as a society, do we want to simply blame the victims with clever quips or acknowledge the underlying, systemic problems and try to resolve them. We are in the cat bird seat. Nothing's going to happen to us unless we fall into a bonfire of the vanities situation. So it easy to prod from the safety of the sideline. But these vicarious reports to us are the actual lives of those portrayed. We can try and fix it or watch it grow.
But, if you are a black man in America who should you be most afraid of? Other black men.
At some point you have to look at yourself.
But people without a glimmer of hope and who feel they haven't a position in society and hope for themselves and their children do not act out in these manners. So rather than antagonizing them further, with thinly veiled racial talk, I prefer to try and see how we might improve the the societal setup.
Things are getting worse and I do not see any seismic shifts in attitude or environment that will lead to better days.
Ferguson is a good illustration of the ineffectiveness of the boot heel in these situations.So where do we go?
work (or want ads)
voting booths
I work with an urban pre-k population (speech therapist). I have kids who fall sound asleep immediately upon arriving at school-because they were unsupervised and up all night playing video games while mom was at work. I have kids who come to school with half chewed chicken wings in their pockets because there was nobody to get them breakfast before school. Many of my kids are being raised by grandmas and some of their mothers are 15 years old.
I don't buy one bit the "have to look at themselves" bull####. That's just "I got mine, F everyone else thinking". I know you haven't said this per se, but lots of others do.
maybe if these guys were gainfully employed during the day, at home taking care of their kids at night and not doing drugs, we wouldn't be worried about these thingsOne way would be to stop racial profiling, which creates confrontation and effectively criminalizes a segment of the population. The war on drugs is another easy answer since that has been demonstrated to be a convenient pretext for putting blacks into the justice system.so how do we get these males off the streets where they get in trouble and back home to take responsibility for their kids? serious question..If we weren't locking up all the males this might be possible. Hard to get young poor kids to get up and off to school, get homework done, etc. when single mom is working (either before or after). Hard to transfer values and instill discipline and all that other stuff when there's no Dad-or Uncle-or often even a Grandfather around. Large percentage of black males can't work because they have a record and are locked up at greater rates and for stiffer sentences than whites, and of course our wonderful right wing is doing everything it can to create obstacles for voting or minimize the impact of the minority vote.schoolClearly this had led to the utopia where we now live.I acknowledge the responsibility needs to be shared by the black population.WTF are you talking about? There's laws against discrimination. There's laws in favor of affirmative action. Free schools. The federal government steps in and investigates when a nutty deranged guy kills a black kid in bum#### Florida looking for civil rights violations. There's a black man in the White House. The last Republican president had a black woman as his Secretary of State. One of the most respected scientists in the country is a black man. The black middle class is rising. Poverty rates for blacks are falling. Blacks are more educated than they have ever been.Didn't fall into anything, just pointed out one of the many problems of his over simplified response. But he knew that.Yeah he fell right into that one. OuchOoh, look who's throwing out the racist assumptions.cosjobs said:CAn ex-felons vote?Christo said:They can't vote?cosjobs said:You mean why do disenfranchised, repressed, hopeless, segments of the population sometimes loot and riot when they begin to also be murdered?
The question is, as a society, do we want to simply blame the victims with clever quips or acknowledge the underlying, systemic problems and try to resolve them. We are in the cat bird seat. Nothing's going to happen to us unless we fall into a bonfire of the vanities situation. So it easy to prod from the safety of the sideline. But these vicarious reports to us are the actual lives of those portrayed. We can try and fix it or watch it grow.
But, if you are a black man in America who should you be most afraid of? Other black men.
At some point you have to look at yourself.
But people without a glimmer of hope and who feel they haven't a position in society and hope for themselves and their children do not act out in these manners. So rather than antagonizing them further, with thinly veiled racial talk, I prefer to try and see how we might improve the the societal setup.
Things are getting worse and I do not see any seismic shifts in attitude or environment that will lead to better days.
Ferguson is a good illustration of the ineffectiveness of the boot heel in these situations.So where do we go?
work (or want ads)
voting booths
I work with an urban pre-k population (speech therapist). I have kids who fall sound asleep immediately upon arriving at school-because they were unsupervised and up all night playing video games while mom was at work. I have kids who come to school with half chewed chicken wings in their pockets because there was nobody to get them breakfast before school. Many of my kids are being raised by grandmas and some of their mothers are 15 years old.
I don't buy one bit the "have to look at themselves" bull####. That's just "I got mine, F everyone else thinking". I know you haven't said this per se, but lots of others do.
I continue to be in favor of AA policies for both school admissions and hiring practices but there has been so much blowback from whites these will soon be a thing of the past.
Another meaningless anecdote: my wife works for a large international auto parts supplier. One of the bigwig execs-who she knows a bit and has a good relationship with is black. Exec's son is interning in her dept. along with several interns from Nigeria. They went out for lunch in the local medium sized city (4 of them, exec's son and 3 other interns). I'm sure you know where this is going. All gainfully employed,doing nothing wrong, driving Dad's car, and were pulled over by police. Apparently 4 young black males in a car was deemed too threatening to the local yahoos. The pretext was windows that were too tinted. Exec's son was furious but they were all smart enough to do the eat humble pie song and dance.maybe if these guys were gainfully employed during the day, at home taking care of their kids at night and not doing drugs, we wouldn't be worried about these thingsOne way would be to stop racial profiling, which creates confrontation and effectively criminalizes a segment of the population. The war on drugs is another easy answer since that has been demonstrated to be a convenient pretext for putting blacks into the justice system.I continue to be in favor of AA policies for both school admissions and hiring practices but there has been so much blowback from whites these will soon be a thing of the past.so how do we get these males off the streets where they get in trouble and back home to take responsibility for their kids? serious question..If we weren't locking up all the males this might be possible. Hard to get young poor kids to get up and off to school, get homework done, etc. when single mom is working (either before or after). Hard to transfer values and instill discipline and all that other stuff when there's no Dad-or Uncle-or often even a Grandfather around. Large percentage of black males can't work because they have a record and are locked up at greater rates and for stiffer sentences than whites, and of course our wonderful right wing is doing everything it can to create obstacles for voting or minimize the impact of the minority vote.I work with an urban pre-k population (speech therapist). I have kids who fall sound asleep immediately upon arriving at school-because they were unsupervised and up all night playing video games while mom was at work. I have kids who come to school with half chewed chicken wings in their pockets because there was nobody to get them breakfast before school. Many of my kids are being raised by grandmas and some of their mothers are 15 years old.I don't buy one bit the "have to look at themselves" bull####. That's just "I got mine, F everyone else thinking". I know you haven't said this per se, but lots of others do.schoolwork (or want ads)voting boothsClearly this had led to the utopia where we now live.I acknowledge the responsibility needs to be shared by the black population.But people without a glimmer of hope and who feel they haven't a position in society and hope for themselves and their children do not act out in these manners. So rather than antagonizing them further, with thinly veiled racial talk, I prefer to try and see how we might improve the the societal setup.Things are getting worse and I do not see any seismic shifts in attitude or environment that will lead to better days.Ferguson is a good illustration of the ineffectiveness of the boot heel in these situations.So where do we go?WTF are you talking about? There's laws against discrimination. There's laws in favor of affirmative action. Free schools. The federal government steps in and investigates when a nutty deranged guy kills a black kid in bum#### Florida looking for civil rights violations. There's a black man in the White House. The last Republican president had a black woman as his Secretary of State. One of the most respected scientists in the country is a black man. The black middle class is rising. Poverty rates for blacks are falling. Blacks are more educated than they have ever been. But, if you are a black man in America who should you be most afraid of? Other black men. At some point you have to look at yourself.Didn't fall into anything, just pointed out one of the many problems of his over simplified response. But he knew that.The question is, as a society, do we want to simply blame the victims with clever quips or acknowledge the underlying, systemic problems and try to resolve them. We are in the cat bird seat. Nothing's going to happen to us unless we fall into a bonfire of the vanities situation. So it easy to prod from the safety of the sideline. But these vicarious reports to us are the actual lives of those portrayed. We can try and fix it or watch it grow.Yeah he fell right into that one. OuchOoh, look who's throwing out the racist assumptions.cosjobs said:CAn ex-felons vote?Christo said:They can't vote?cosjobs said:You mean why do disenfranchised, repressed, hopeless, segments of the population sometimes loot and riot when they begin to also be murdered?
