Okay, so I go to Footballguys news and the first two stories that hit me as I look down the list are Dez Bryant sent home one day (sick) and hip pointer the next. Now maybe this is a little hopeful thinking from a longtime Giant fan but, not the best start to a pro career. Right? I mean, you have to be ready for the riggers of a sixteen game season & during OTA's your tummy hurts & you get an injury where the treatment is rest?
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Multiple Scores
Footballguy
Seems like it's always something with this guy. I'm sure Cowboy fans will say it means nothing, go figure, right?
Fear & Loathing
Footballguy
Food poisoning.
Balance
Footballguy
Hate the Cowboys. This means nothing.Seems like it's always something with this guy. I'm sure Cowboy fans will say it means nothing, go figure, right?
Drink G2
Footballguy
Better now than later? Its not like any of these are things that will nag him down the road (See Jstews lower body injuries)Hate the Cowboys. This means nothing.
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Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
Roy Williams on Dez Bryant: "Dude is scary".
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/th...-the-league-1/1
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/th...-the-league-1/1
Donsmith753
Footballguy
Dude compared himself to Rice, I'll take what he says with a pinch of salt. As a Dez owner it's nice to hear though.
Wyld Stallyns
Footballguy
Hold up, Roy Williams actually said something complimentary about a wide receiver NOT named Roy Williams? This can't be right...
Donsmith753
Footballguy
Yeah he's over the hill, get out while you still can.
Warpig
Footballguy
I was usingDonsmith753 said:Yeah he's over the hill, get out while you still can.Warpig said:
about Bryant. But Tate...I'm serious. I envision watching Tate on the sidelines in street clothes for much of his short career. Due to his hamstring ofcourse.
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Donsmith753
Footballguy
And I thought it was Americans that didn't do sarcasm! I don't think you're far off with Tate, just don't think he's that talented.I was usingDonsmith753 said:Yeah he's over the hill, get out while you still can.Warpig said:
about Bryant. But Tate...I'm serious. I envision watching Tate on the sidelines in street clothes for much of his short career. Due to his hamstring ofcourse.
thriftyrocker
Footballguy
Dude came up with the nickname Megatron. The only thing he is good at is recognizing when other guys are better than him.Frankbot said:
werdnoynek
Footballguy
Phurfur
Footballguy
This is the guys MO, there will be more to come.
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Fear & Loathing
Footballguy
This is the most useless thread on this board right now.
akaoni
Footballguy
werdnoynek
Footballguy
so what you ARE saying is that football players shouldn't eat or play football so they don't get food poisoning or injuries.
food poisoning is an unavoidable part of life and injuries are an unavoidable part of football... this is OTA's we're talking about - regardless the extent of injury/sickness - they're not going to let someone play through either. it's just not necessary and it's ridiculous to think someone would.
chicken little has nothing on dez bryant.
food poisoning is an unavoidable part of life and injuries are an unavoidable part of football... this is OTA's we're talking about - regardless the extent of injury/sickness - they're not going to let someone play through either. it's just not necessary and it's ridiculous to think someone would.
chicken little has nothing on dez bryant.
doowain
Footballguy
Isn't Roy the same one who nicknamed a certain WR Megatron? Should we doubt that one too?
Multiple Scores
Footballguy
Tyrion
Footballguy
LOL he compared the connection they were having in practice to the one Montana had with Rice. It was just a way of saying that they were on the same page much more this year in comparison to the first year and a half.
Kind of like when he said that Bryant's hands were so big that when he shakes hands with Dez Bryant, that his fingers reach his elbows. I was not there but I am sure that Bryant's fingers don't actually reach his elbows. My hands are a half inch smaller and mine don't reach someone's wrists.
BTW if anyy of you are in my leagues and recognize my moniker, please agree with the poster don't draft Dez Bryant. My thoughts are that the guys posting negative items are just trying to drive the cost down.
sholditch
Footballguy
My thoughts exactly.This is the guys MO, there will be more to come.
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
He complimented Calvin Johnson in Detroit. I don't recall him ever giving praise to BMW so I think Roy knows more about other WR's than he does about himself.
Todem
Footballguy
Yep...a ton of top 10 PPR finishes over the next 7 years.Kid is a star waiting to happen. Big time Andre Johnson type of WR. May take a season to develop but it will be pretty impressive what he will be able to do in the league.My thoughts exactly.This is the guys MO, there will be more to come.
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I think Bryant will have a few more minor injuries then others this year because even though he looks like he was created for a men's flex magazine he still needs to get in football shape because he hasn't played in a while so I wouldn't worry about being overheated or needing a few plays off during the first few camps.
Phurfur
Footballguy
This is reminding me of all the people who thought Percy Harvin would be top 10 last year.
doowain
Footballguy
I can't speak for everyone else, but I don't think that's the case with Multiple Scores. He finds every Dez Bryant thread and makes it a point to come in to bash him. Between his history of posts and his avatar, for some ridiculous reason he feels the need to attack Dez almost as if he's defending Crabtree. He seems to forget that Crabtree had every bit of the question marks with his character coming into the league (and then some). It's funny to me that he wants to hate on Bryant for those things and ignore them with Crabtree. Seems a bit self serving.Before all of the tweets and blogs and microscopic details we are exposed to of OTAs and the like, do you guys not think that things like this were common place? I think our paranoia of a player and his "attitude" seems to be blown out of proportion due to all of the info at our fingertips. Crabtree turned out ok (so far), Percy Harvin isn't a lazy pothead, etc. It's more important to me what a guy does on the football field than the speculation we have about a guy in May before he ever even gets a chance to prove us wrong. Lots of overthinking around these parts.
Restricted
Footballguy
How many practices and games did Harvin miss because of migranes last season?
I think he missed one game as for practices I could care less Westbrook never practiced with the Eagles but come Sunday he got the job done.
golfguy
Footballguy
no offense, but bryant isn't close to AJ at the same juncture in their pro careers. AJ went 3rd overall and had a crazy good draft grade, was highly productive and played in big time games in college and performed well. bryant- not so much. not to mention he is a year removed from playing football more/less and does not have anywhere the personality that AJ does.not saying bryant can't be good. but all the can't miss hype around this place makes me laugh.Todem said:Yep...a ton of top 10 PPR finishes over the next 7 years.Kid is a star waiting to happen. Big time Andre Johnson type of WR. May take a season to develop but it will be pretty impressive what he will be able to do in the league.sholditch said:My thoughts exactly.This is the guys MO, there will be more to come.
doowain
Footballguy
There is no such thing as a "can't miss prospect". There are way too many variables to consider to say that someone has ZERO bust potential. As far as Bryant goes, he has the least bust potential with the highest ceiling of any WR in this class. It's that simple. If that makes you laugh, you have a strange sense of humor.no offense, but bryant isn't close to AJ at the same juncture in their pro careers. AJ went 3rd overall and had a crazy good draft grade, was highly productive and played in big time games in college and performed well. bryant- not so much. not to mention he is a year removed from playing football more/less and does not have anywhere the personality that AJ does.not saying bryant can't be good. but all the can't miss hype around this place makes me laugh.Todem said:Yep...a ton of top 10 PPR finishes over the next 7 years.Kid is a star waiting to happen. Big time Andre Johnson type of WR. May take a season to develop but it will be pretty impressive what he will be able to do in the league.sholditch said:My thoughts exactly.This is the guys MO, there will be more to come.
Tyrion
Footballguy
No offense but Bryant will put up better numbers than Andre Johnson did in his rookie year.no offense, but bryant isn't close to AJ at the same juncture in their pro careers. AJ went 3rd overall and had a crazy good draft grade, was highly productive and played in big time games in college and performed well. bryant- not so much. not to mention he is a year removed from playing football more/less and does not have anywhere the personality that AJ does.not saying bryant can't be good. but all the can't miss hype around this place makes me laugh.Todem said:Yep...a ton of top 10 PPR finishes over the next 7 years.Kid is a star waiting to happen. Big time Andre Johnson type of WR. May take a season to develop but it will be pretty impressive what he will be able to do in the league.sholditch said:My thoughts exactly.This is the guys MO, there will be more to come.
Restricted
Footballguy
As a rookie?
Multiple Scores
Footballguy
I missed where Crabtrees mother was slinging rock and also missed where Crabtree was known to show up late to meetings and games. Link would be appreciated. Thanks in advance, I'm sure you got the link handy! Hopefully the dog didn't eat the link.
cobalt_27
Footballguy
Over the last 30 years, Andre Johnson and only 4 other 1st round WR selections have put up 66/975 or better in their rookie seasons:Randy MossMichael ClaytonTerry GlennJoey GallowayI hope he does, but I wouldn't bet on it.
DropKick
Footballguy
Of course, the sarcasm was obvious in that first post...I was usingYeah he's over the hill, get out while you still can.
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
Um... Anquan Boldin and Marques Colston did and thats off the top of my head. Not sure where you are getting your info but you may want to post a link to support that statement.
Tyrion
Footballguy
And don't forget Johnson had only 4TDs. Personally I think he will top all 3 of those catagories but the 4 TDs is a very easy number he will obliterate.
doowain
Footballguy
First of all, why would anything that Dez's mom does be a cause for concern with Dez? That's just ridiculous.As far as the character issues, I'm not saying those issues were identical, just that Crabtree didn't exactly come into the NFL without baggage. He was pegged as a primadonna coming in, then went and sat out until Ocbtober 25th.I missed where Crabtrees mother was slinging rock and also missed where Crabtree was known to show up late to meetings and games. Link would be appreciated. Thanks in advance, I'm sure you got the link handy! Hopefully the dog didn't eat the link.
Can you dig up a link where the coaches at OSU claimed Bryant was late to meetings and games? I remember the reports you were referring to, but then again I also remember the reports of players and coaches saying Dez was always late were blown out of proportion.
doowain
Footballguy
Boldin/Colston weren't 1st round WRs. Please re-read and try again.
Tyrion
Footballguy
Good point. The fact that Dez is a 1st round pick should be held against him.Boldin/Colston weren't 1st round WRs. Please re-read and try again.
HenryMuto
Footballguy
I am eagerly awaiting his nickname for Dez. It is after all what Roy excels and is best at.Also this thread is great because this is what fantasy football is all about. If everyone agreed on everything then there would be no reason to play the game everyone would love and hate the same players.
I remember the huge debate back in 1998 about Randy Moss. I did not get the internet until after the 1998 football season started and I am not sure how many of these types of forums were around back then anyway but the point is back then you basically only got your info from watching the players play in college yourself and from what few books that were being made back then.
Fantasy Index was the most popular magazine back then in 1998 and was my most trusted source of news but they had very bad things to say about Randy Moss who I coveted very much. I wanted Moss more than any player I had ever wanted and I have been playing since 1990 as he was quickly becoming my favorite player even before he set foot on an NFL field.
I still have that 1998 magazine and it just shows to remind you that you need to get as much info as possible but really you know just as much about how these players might turn out as everyone else including experts.
Don't make the error of thinking that Moss fell to the 21st slot in the draft only because of his well-chronicled off-field problems. Numerous teams dropped Moss on their draft boards because they simply don't think he'll be a good player.
They likely will be right.
Count Jimmy Johnson among the Moss skeptics. He bristled when Dolphin fans second-guessed him for trading away the 19th pick and a chance at Moss.
Johnson says he never had an interest in Moss, even at the 29th slot. "I want to talk to people who say Moss is going to be a great player", Johnson says, "and I'd ask them how many films of him they broke down. I would ask them how many times they watched him play. The answer I normally get is, they saw a couple of film clips of him on TV, and that's how they formed their opinion. And these people know more than people in the NFL who spend our entire lives doing this stuff ?"
Moss' play in the Motor City Bowl was disturbing. He scored an 80 yard TD against a blown coverage on the first play, but then wasn't even a factor - taken out of the game by a pair of mediocre 5'9" cornerbacks who will never be invited to NFL training camps. Now he is going to take the NFL by storm ? Moss may go down as this year's version of Rocket Ismail or Desmond Howard.
Don't look at Moss' 53 TD's in his final 2 years at Marshall and assume he is going to catch 10 TD's.
Moss won't do much this season. Expect about 35 catches and 4 TD's.
Moss had 1300 yards and 17 TD's as a rookie
The magazine had to take out a full page in 1999 just to say they were wrong or as they put it "Maybe we were wruh...wruh...wruh....about Randy Moss"
Morale of the story my friends is believe in yourself more than anything if you think a player is going to be great do what it takes to get him now because when he starts to become great you have to sell the farm to get him.
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doowain
Footballguy
I'm not saying I agree with cobalt's point....just saying you misread the post.
sholditch
Footballguy
I saw that completely meaningless qualifier thrown in and knew you or someone would come back with that/ It's completely meaningless unless you are asserting that only receivers drafted in the first count as rookie receivers. RidiculousBoldin/Colston weren't 1st round WRs. Please re-read and try again.
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Footballguy
In redraft, his competition amongst his own team is too deep this year, much less being a rookie. With Austin coming out this year and Witten expected to get his, there isn't enough high side to go after Bryant as a 1 or 2. Someone will select him too high and if it pays off could well land that person in the championship, weather by injury or just plain luck. As an educated redrafter though, the gamble really isn't worth it as there figures to be a LOT of value still on the board when the gambler selects him.In dynasty/keeper, we'll see if he's worth the one overall. Weather he's 1st or whatever, he does to be the 1st overall WR selected with the potential being so high.
