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In this thread I rank my favorite post-Beatles Beatles songs: 291-1. (2 Viewers)
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Pip's Invitation
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PJ Harvey has a song called "Rub til It Bleeds." That phrase basically describes this song.After saying I wasn't going to post any today, I'm going to do a fourth one. It's a song that I had much, much, much lower at the beginning, and I can't figure out why. I didn't even have it in my John top 25 or overall top 125 at one point, but I kept moving it up(down) higher(lower). And I'm just tired of seeing it on my list, jumping over so many songs. So I'm ripping off the John band-aid and posting it before I move it yet again.
48. John Lennon/Plastic Ono Band - I Found Out (John Lennon/Plastic Ono Band, 1970) Spotify YouTube
(John #11)
I think the reason this wasn't higher in the rankings earlier on is that my least favorite part of the song is John's vocal and delivery. Love John's fuzzy guitar licks, and Ringo is spectacular, but Klaus Voormann uncharacteristically steals the show and prevents this from being a RINGO SHOWCASE!. Listen to Voormann go! This is a great harder-edge but minimalistic song, and I appreciate John's raw vocal, but the delivery becomes kind of repetitive, more like reeling off a laundry list to make sure he gets all his digs in. I don't feel as much emotional power in this song as in others on the album, especially in the barks at the end. The song doesn't really go anywhere; it's a great riff with a rollicking bassline, but... Anyway, love the song but it shall rise no further.
Agree on Voormann, he's spectacular here. The guitar is raw and unadorned, coming off like '50s rock and roll on speed. I don't know if/to what extent JL/POB had any influence on the punk movement, but this song sure seems like it would have.
krista4
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Pip's Invitation
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This is the guy who wrote Temporary Secretary, of COURSE he's going to have ludicrous lyrics sometimes.
I love change from the jaunty verses to the "could you be that person for me?" part.
Bizarre but catchy is the perfect description for this. I could see it on a Ween album -- 1994 or later, when they made actual records with actual musicians.
krista4
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I will be posting a Spotify playlist at the end. I have a full 291+-song playlist that I'll complete, and I could also do individual playlist by Beatle if anyone wants them (I know the Ringo one will be in high demand).
At the moment I have the current playlist (minus the top 44) randomizing, and I think I like a lot of other songs more than "It Don't Come Easy."
At the moment I have the current playlist (minus the top 44) randomizing, and I think I like a lot of other songs more than "It Don't Come Easy."
Pip's Invitation
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I wouldn't put this above the very best Ringo from the '70s, but I like it better than anything else I've heard from him post-70s.Sorry, Ringo, but I have to...
46. Walk With You (Y Not, 2010) Spotify YouTube
(Ringo #1!!!!!!!)
I've often repeated that intra-Beatle post-Beatle collaborations score extra points with me, and this one is particularly special as it's the only duet ever sung by Ringo and Paul. Paul was not part of Ringo's original intention for the song, but while they were working on "Peace Dream" (#205 overall and Ringo #14 on my list), Ringo played for Paul a few of the other songs he was working on. Paul took a shine to this one and suggested the idea of the trailing harmony, which is the centerpiece of the song and makes meto hear two of my four favorite Beatles harmonizing on this song about friendship. Especially that little bit Paul does at 3:40 in the last chorus.
It is indeed hymn-like, but still moves along like the best pop songs do.
This is
going to be played at the Concert for Ringo, whenever that happens.
Pip's Invitation
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Minimalist Jeff Lynne, I never thought I'd see the day.
So this is what the Wilburys might have sounded like if they'd followed up Vol. 3 10 years later.
Pip's Invitation
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Pip's Invitation
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The songs on page 66 didn't take much time to get through thanks to all the talk about foreboding ding-dongs. 
jwb
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Yea, I should have stated that - I liked it a lot.I hope you mean this was one of them.
Maybe my favorite find of this project.
I'm not surprised at how many songs so far I've liked - I mean, it's The Beatles. The depth of the careers of these four guys is astounding.
krista4
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Gonna have another that's even more Wilbury-y. Lynne really did seem to accede to George's wishes on this album.
krista4
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I'm not sure "foreboding ding-dongs" can be a band name, but maybe a greatest hits retrospective?The songs on page 66 didn't take much time to get through thanks to all the talk about foreboding ding-dongs.
But...it is surprising. Or at least to me. Other than a few bits and pieces - George on All Things Must Pass, John on Plastic Ono Band, Paul on Wings stuff - it seems like a lot of it has been ignored. Just as an example, Paul's output merely in the 21st century is better than 99.999999999999% of recording artists ever.
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Pip's Invitation
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If Buck Naked and the Barebottom Boys can be a band name, then so can The Foreboding Ding Dongs.
Shaft41
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Dr. Octopus
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Never heard this song - I did like it but did not love it (Ringo's voice seems ever flatter than normal), but Paul surely made it much better than it would have been.Sorry, Ringo, but I have to...
46. Walk With You (Y Not, 2010) Spotify YouTube
(Ringo #1!!!!!!!)
I've often repeated that intra-Beatle post-Beatle collaborations score extra points with me, and this one is particularly special as it's the only duet ever sung by Ringo and Paul. Paul was not part of Ringo's original intention for the song, but while they were working on "Peace Dream" (#205 overall and Ringo #14 on my list), Ringo played for Paul a few of the other songs he was working on. Paul took a shine to this one and suggested the idea of the trailing harmony, which is the centerpiece of the song and makes me
It's probably a song I'd enjoy more upon multiple listens, as you implied. Paul's vocals show how much he really loves this song, imo - good for him helping his buddy out.
Dr. Octopus
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krista4
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It was meant to be funny, so I’m happy for partial success.Not sure why but this snippet has me
wikkidpissah
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"Foreboding Ding-Dong" was the name of my one-man show as Jeff Sessions, who, in my conception, talked to an imaginary phallus on his left shoulder, a la "Harvey", throughout his reign as Attorney General. Critics called it "corrupt" and "premature".
krista4
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44. Dear One (Thirty Three & 1/3, 1976) Spotify YouTube
(George #15)
Funny that Pip mentioned recently lyrics that could have come straight from Joni Mitchell. George had attended some Mitchell concerts before writing this song, and inspired by her use of open tuning, used open A for the song, the only one he ever wrote using that. The lyrics of the song are directed to Premavatar Paramahansa Yogananda, whom we all know as the author of Autobiography of a Yogi. (I have known that for a total of three minutes.)
This song sounds as spiritual and devout to me as anything George ever wrote and performed. I love the juxtaposition of the heavily gospel-inflected verses with an Indian tinge to them, with the bright, bouncy pop choruses. The changes in tempo and key between the two are lovely, and George's vocal is sincere and longing. The open A tuning results in a chiming guitar sound that I love. George did a Paul-esque DIY on this one, playing all the instruments outside of that terrific organ part played on Billy Preston's Hammond (but not by Preston).
Hmm, seems I don't have a lot to say here. This song is magnificent. There.
(George #15)
Funny that Pip mentioned recently lyrics that could have come straight from Joni Mitchell. George had attended some Mitchell concerts before writing this song, and inspired by her use of open tuning, used open A for the song, the only one he ever wrote using that. The lyrics of the song are directed to Premavatar Paramahansa Yogananda, whom we all know as the author of Autobiography of a Yogi. (I have known that for a total of three minutes.)
This song sounds as spiritual and devout to me as anything George ever wrote and performed. I love the juxtaposition of the heavily gospel-inflected verses with an Indian tinge to them, with the bright, bouncy pop choruses. The changes in tempo and key between the two are lovely, and George's vocal is sincere and longing. The open A tuning results in a chiming guitar sound that I love. George did a Paul-esque DIY on this one, playing all the instruments outside of that terrific organ part played on Billy Preston's Hammond (but not by Preston).
Hmm, seems I don't have a lot to say here. This song is magnificent. There.
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Raging weasel
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I hope we can still be friends but I didn't like Dear One at all. It sounded like church music and carnival music had a baby to me. 
I did like Looking for my Life. Like someone said, it sounded like the Wiburies which is a good thing. Also liked the song that followed on the album .
I did like Looking for my Life. Like someone said, it sounded like the Wiburies which is a good thing. Also liked the song that followed on the album .
krista4
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No one is going to like all the same songs I do.I hope we can still be friends but I didn't like Dear One at all. It sounded like church music and carnival music had a baby to me.
I did like Looking for my Life. Like someone said, it sounded like the Wiburies which is a good thing. Also liked the song that followed on the album .
krista4
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43. Junk (McCartney, 1970) Spotify YouTube
(Paul #19)
Given recent topics of conversation, I suppose it’s fitting that this one comes up now. Paul wrote this song while the Beatles were at the Maharishi’s pad in India in 1968, but though presented for possible inclusion on The Beatles (white album) and Abbey Road, it was passed over both times. Yet somehow “Why Don’t We Do It In The Road” made the cut.
The lyrics to this song, which describe discarded items for sale in a junk shop, kill me. They’re poignant and heartbreaking in showing the hopefulness of a purchase – “sleeping bag for two” – that now had no use. As Paul describes, it’s a “brokenhearted jubilee.” The junk itself replying "why, why" is especially brutal, as if to say why bother trying to make something of this when it's all just going to end up sadly.
Motor cars, handle bars, bicycles for two
Broken hearted jubilee
Parachutes, army boots, sleeping bags for two
Sentimental jamboree
"Buy! Buy!" says the sign in the shop window
"Why? Why?" says the junk in the yard
Da, da, ya, da, da, da
Da, da, da
Da, da, ya, da, da, da
Da, da, da
Candle sticks, building bricks
Something old and new
Memories for you and me
"Buy! Buy!" says the sign in the shop window
"Why? Why?" says the junk in the yard
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Paul’s delivery is wistful and affecting, and the melody strikes a perfect balance of gorgeous and sad, particularly on the “ya da da da” part in the bridge. Glockenspiel alert! In this instance, it’s a xylophone, but close enough. I like the use of an instrument that I could see being in a junk shop, too.
OH had four songs that stood out as his favorites during our Paul listening sessions, and this is the second of them (along with “Waterfalls” ranked at my Paul #33) despite his refusal to sing along with “Singalong Junk.” The other two will be in my Paul top ten.
(Paul #19)
Given recent topics of conversation, I suppose it’s fitting that this one comes up now. Paul wrote this song while the Beatles were at the Maharishi’s pad in India in 1968, but though presented for possible inclusion on The Beatles (white album) and Abbey Road, it was passed over both times. Yet somehow “Why Don’t We Do It In The Road” made the cut.
The lyrics to this song, which describe discarded items for sale in a junk shop, kill me. They’re poignant and heartbreaking in showing the hopefulness of a purchase – “sleeping bag for two” – that now had no use. As Paul describes, it’s a “brokenhearted jubilee.” The junk itself replying "why, why" is especially brutal, as if to say why bother trying to make something of this when it's all just going to end up sadly.
Motor cars, handle bars, bicycles for two
Broken hearted jubilee
Parachutes, army boots, sleeping bags for two
Sentimental jamboree
"Buy! Buy!" says the sign in the shop window
"Why? Why?" says the junk in the yard
Da, da, ya, da, da, da
Da, da, da
Da, da, ya, da, da, da
Da, da, da
Candle sticks, building bricks
Something old and new
Memories for you and me
"Buy! Buy!" says the sign in the shop window
"Why? Why?" says the junk in the yard
&
Paul’s delivery is wistful and affecting, and the melody strikes a perfect balance of gorgeous and sad, particularly on the “ya da da da” part in the bridge. Glockenspiel alert! In this instance, it’s a xylophone, but close enough. I like the use of an instrument that I could see being in a junk shop, too.
OH had four songs that stood out as his favorites during our Paul listening sessions, and this is the second of them (along with “Waterfalls” ranked at my Paul #33) despite his refusal to sing along with “Singalong Junk.” The other two will be in my Paul top ten.
krista4
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But don't let it happen again.No one is going to like all the same songs I do.I hope we can still be friends but I didn't like Dear One at all. It sounded like church music and carnival music had a baby to me.
I did like Looking for my Life. Like someone said, it sounded like the Wiburies which is a good thing. Also liked the song that followed on the album .
Shaft41
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Forgive me for this, but, like wikkid, I guess I can only be appropriate for so long, With the turn this thread has taken the last couple phallic pages, and now with the posting of a song called "Junk", I can only hope that the next song is not "A Certain Softness", "Come On to Me", "Fluid", "I've Only Got Two Hands", "The Inch Worm" or "Great #### and Seagull Race."
krista4
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Morton Muffley
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Lol, and all posted by a guy with the username "shaft"!
My apologies Krista as I fear I took this thread down this dark path and suspect we will now have trouble getting back on track.
So let me try:
Big fan of Junk and believe it is just outside my top 25. Am not at my computer so cannot confirm but believe I have it in the 25-30 range. Have you heard the Anne Sofie von Otter version produced by EC that is a mash up of Junk and Tom Wait's Broken Bicycles. She has a lovely voice albeit classically trained and thus too precise for pop music.
Also, I don't mind "why don't we do it in the road?" though I also would have preferred the white album by a single LP and thus think there was lots to cut on that double album. Sacrilege, I realize but there you have it.
krista4
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Tehe.
I have not heard the version you referenced but will listen. Glad this one was high on your list, too!
Shaft41
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I'm girding my loins in anticipation.
I think I've reached the point where I'm going to post this thread's "Penny Lane."
I have to leave at 2:30 for several hours and wonder if I should post it just before I do and let all the fallout occur when I'm not around.
krista4
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Pip's Invitation
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Binky The Doormat
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Pip's Invitation
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As mentioned in our PM convo, this is one I thought you might not rank as highly as others do. To me, this is to John as Heart of Gold is to Neil. A good song, yes. Very important to the artist's career, yes. Revered by most fans, yes. But IMO not representative of the very best they are capable of.
wikkidpissah
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context wins this fight. reallyreallyreeeeally hadda be said when it was said. the counterculture wasn't about the war or Nixon or even race. it was about the rules. yeah, breaking THEIR rules was fun because there were so many and the peeps got so wound up about infactions. but what the rush of freedom and equality and hallucinogens was saying to us was, "what about NO rules?! can we get to a place where we don't need em at all?! arent rules more about the people who make them and what does that say about them? what does it say about us?"
well, that was just plain sedition then. we woulda been shut down if the peeps with the money & soldiers even dreamed that was where we were headed. somebody had to say it in a way that wasn't a spoiled brat's shout. somebody had to say it in a way that arguably made sense. and, as i've been on about in virtually every FFA music thread i've participated in, there is no better way to make a point than in song. and no one with more generational cred to do so than John Lennon.
so, i gotta pull rank. it's not for you, now. or you. or you. or you. it was for us then and i cherish it as the Declaration of an entirely different and ultimate kind of Independence. it is a Document, beyond loving.
Shaft41
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I haven't agreed with everything you've posted in here but I am 100% in agreement here. You've posted 4 or 5 songs just this week that hit me emotionally 10x more than this one.
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Binky The Doormat
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I didn't mention this in my original post but I am like many who love and appreciate Ringo for his contributions to the Beatles but have never really liked his solo work (Photograph is my favorite). Like @Dr. Octopus I had never heard this before and probably will never hear it again because I found it decent but not great. Nowhere near as good as the No-no songkrista4 said:
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Binky The Doormat
Footballguy
agreed.
I am schticking it up - because it makes me smile ...and is a big, fat hanging curve that I just can't lay off of.
Just because a song meets the criteria pip has outlined here shouldn't shove it to the very top.
my new review/reaction to krista's placement of John's "Imagine."
krista4
Footballguy
I'd say John admitted the bold less eloquently than you characterized, but he openly regretted it. He wasn't happy that he'd given it the "acceptable" sheen, though I'm sure he was happy to have a #3 hit. John...full of contradictions and insecurity. But did he speak to the people whom he wanted to reach in the way he wished to? I'd argue that he admitted he didn't. Yet somehow it became bigger than that, and perhaps, as you allude to, what was needed wasn't what he wanted to admit he had to do. He'd had plenty of songs that were "just plain sedition" but they didn't reach the masses. This did and still does. There's magic in that.
Given that this was not for "you" (i.e., me), I'm perfectly comfortable that it still isn't. I'd have had it ranked quite a bit lower if it weren't such a cultural touchstone. It isn't for me, now. If that means I don't "get it" somehow, I understand. And since it's a thread of my favorites, it's altogether fitting that someone who doesn't understand it doesn't appreciate it enough.
Edit to be clear: I appreciated and loved your post. You bring a perspective that I can never have and I value enormously.
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krista4
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I don't know where I'm going tomorrow. I figured we'd have two days of hand-wringing over "Imagine" that would prevent me from choosing any "next song" because it would be a song you say is better than Imagine (total misread of the thread, of course). I'm surprised to see that thus far wikkid is the only one standing up for it.
If only I had six or eight Ringo songs left I could tease you all with the idea I might love them more than John's most revered song (or at least the one I thought was most revered).
If only I had six or eight Ringo songs left I could tease you all with the idea I might love them more than John's most revered song (or at least the one I thought was most revered).
This is your list so you are entitled to your opinions and shouldn't get ripped for them although your credibility would have been shot if you put any Ringo song above it. I would put Imagine around #4 or 5 if I made a John Lennon list.
krista4
Footballguy
Yeah, whatever you think this means, I guarantee that "my credibility will be shot" with some of my later rankings. What "credibility" exactly do you think I might have or be striving for? Brace yourself.
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You have credibility with me because I haven't selected many songs from either of my 2 favorite Paul albums and I think I read that you are a big fan of All Things Must Pass.
krista4
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Prepared to be disappointed if credibility (for what?) hinges on our liking all the same stuff. I guess if we don't agree, I'll say your credibility is in question.
I was joking - As I said in my other post this is your opinion. My point was I scanned your entire list and saw that all my favorites are still there from my three favorite Beatles solo albums. Band on the Run, Ram and All Things Must Pass which gives you "credibility" in my book.Prepared to be disappointed if credibility (for what?) hinges on our liking all the same stuff. I guess if we don't agree, I'll say your credibility is in question.
krista4
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It's not my opinion. That would seem that I am posting what I think is "best." These are the songs I love the most. That is not a matter of opinion. It is not a matter of argument. What I love the most is fact...well, except that I change my mind all the time.
It does mean that people will say "I love this" or "I hate this" as their own matter of preference. That is all cool and what the thread is meant to foster. And even more so, the idea that I am not posting what everyone's already heard for a billion years and already knows. The benefit to me, and hopefully to others, is discovering songs we might not have heard or loved before! Anyone who is here just waiting for the songs they already know to be posted is mismatched with the thread, but I don't think that's the case for anyone!
To be clear, I don't want anyone's "credibility" for liking the same stuff they do. Bah.
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You are right it is not your opinion but it is your taste. I came to this thread late and missed the first bunch of pages but I am enjoying the conversation about the songs - many of which I love. I have even turned my daughter into a big Beatles/Paul McCartney fan and took her to see him in concert last summer.It's not my opinion. That would seem that I am posting what I think is "best." These are the songs I love the most. That is not a matter of opinion. It is not a matter of argument. What I love the most is fact...well, except that I change my mind all the time.
It does mean that people will say "I love this" or "I hate this" as their own matter of preference. That is all cool and what the thread is meant to foster. And even more so, the idea that I am not posting what everyone's already heard for a billion years and already knows. The benefit to me, and hopefully to others, is discovering songs we might not have heard or loved before! Anyone who is here just waiting for the songs they already know to be posted is mismatched with the thread, but I don't think that's the case for anyone!
To be clear, I don't want anyone's "credibility" for liking the same stuff they do. Bah.
krista4
Footballguy
Also, do you have a favorite Beatle? We have some Paul guys, some George guys, some John guys...OK, I'm as close as you get to a "Ringo guy."
