Incredible Total Points Tiebreaker Finish In League (1 Viewer)

[Stinkin Ref]

we had a very balanced league this year and we had five teams end the season at 6-8 and fighting for the last playoff spot.....none of the 6-8 teams had the head to head tiebreaker over all of the other 6-8 teams, so it went to the total points tiebreaker......

Team 1 1381.48

Team 2 1380.97 (-0.51)

Taem 3 1380.66 (-0.82)

Team 4 1378.70 (-2.78)

Team #1 had the Jets defense going last night against New England....the Jets defense got torched...but....they did manage 3 sacks and those were the only 3 points they scored.....the final sack got Team #1 in the playoffs....Team #2 and Team #3 were at any time during the season one sack, one extra point attempt, one 10 yard run/catch away, etc from making the playoffs. One meaningless play from any point in the season....and obviously Team #4 was less than one FG away from getting in.......

Three teams finish less than a FG away from being in the playoffs, two of them less than an extra point.

Tough way to lose out......

 

[videoguy505]

Random chance of a kneeldown here or a WR fumble that got ruled an INT there or just one insignificant play having this much effect on a fantasy season is just one more reason why H2H is superior to total points.

 

[apalmer]

Random chance of a kneeldown here or a WR fumble that got ruled an INT there or just one insignificant play having this much effect on a fantasy season is just one more reason why H2H is superior to total points.

Because none of those things ever contributed to losing a H2H game?

 

[videoguy505]

Random chance of a kneeldown here or a WR fumble that got ruled an INT there or just one insignificant play having this much effect on a fantasy season is just one more reason why H2H is superior to total points.

Because none of those things ever contributed to losing a H2H game?

One game, not a whole season. And when it does happen, well, that's just like real life NFL baby!Just further proof that Head-to-Head leagues are better than the math geek leagues that use "total points"

 

[by_the_sea_wannabe]

Random chance of a kneeldown here or a WR fumble that got ruled an INT there or just one insignificant play having this much effect on a fantasy season is just one more reason why H2H is superior to total points.

 

[gandalas]

Random chance of a kneeldown here or a WR fumble that got ruled an INT there or just one insignificant play having this much effect on a fantasy season is just one more reason why H2H is superior to total points.

Psst...this WAS a H2H league...he was referring solely to the tiebreaker between 4 teams with an identical H2H record...Reading comprehension much?

 

[apalmer]

Random chance of a kneeldown here or a WR fumble that got ruled an INT there or just one insignificant play having this much effect on a fantasy season is just one more reason why H2H is superior to total points.

Because none of those things ever contributed to losing a H2H game?

One game, not a whole season. And when it does happen, well, that's just like real life NFL baby!Just further proof that Head-to-Head leagues are better than the math geek leagues that use "total points"

Really? Last year I won week #1's game becasue my opponent's QB took a knee at the end of the game for a loss of one yard. I ended the season 1 game ahead of that same opponent. Kneel down cost him his season.Funny, I never heard of a kneel down costing the team that uses it to lose in real life NFL baby.

 

[Chaka]

VG isn't thinking this one through.

 

[videoguy505]

VG isn't thinking this one through.

Total points is a stupid tiebreaker in H2H leagues. The only tiebreakers should be H2H records. Against each other, common opponents, the rest of the division, the other division, the league as a whole, vs. the average score for each week, QB vs QB H2H scoring, coin flip, then total points should be the order of tiebreakers.

H2H is far superior and this thread just further points that out.

 

[TommyGilmore]

Now go back and apply all the Elias stat corrections retroactively......

 

[Chaka]

VG isn't thinking this one through.

Total points is a stupid tiebreaker in H2H leagues. The only tiebreakers should be H2H records. Against each other, common opponents, the rest of the division, the other division, the league as a whole, vs. the average score for each week, QB vs QB H2H scoring, coin flip, then total points should be the order of tiebreakers.

H2H is far superior and this thread just further points that out.

Uhm...yeah.FTR I'm not a proponent of total points and H2H is antiquated. All-Play is the only way to go.

 

[Utter Chaos]

we had a very balanced league this year and we had five teams end the season at 6-8 and fighting for the last playoff spot.....none of the 6-8 teams had the head to head tiebreaker over all of the other 6-8 teams, so it went to the total points tiebreaker......

Team 1 1381.48

Team 2 1380.97 (-0.51)

Taem 3 1380.66 (-0.82)

Team 4 1378.70 (-2.78)

Just curious how you handled the H2H tie breaker. Since you have 14 games I'm guessing you do your league similar to mine (12 teams, 3 divisions of 4, play each division opponents twice and the other 8 teams once. Requires one week of double headers).We have a dispute over the division champion. Three way tie at 6-8.

Team 1 - 1361.0 points, split with team 2, split with team 3

Team 2 - 1354.0 points, split with team 1, swept team 3

Team 3 - 1328.0 points, split with team 1, got swept by team 2.

Now does Team 1 win the division based on total points because no team had the H2H tiebreaker over the other two or does Team 2 get in because they were 3-1 head to head while Team 1 was 2-2?

The rules say tie breaker is H2H, then total points.

 

[videoguy505]

VG isn't thinking this one through.

Total points is a stupid tiebreaker in H2H leagues. The only tiebreakers should be H2H records. Against each other, common opponents, the rest of the division, the other division, the league as a whole, vs. the average score for each week, QB vs QB H2H scoring, coin flip, then total points should be the order of tiebreakers.

H2H is far superior and this thread just further points that out.

Uhm...yeah.FTR I'm not a proponent of total points and H2H is antiquated. All-Play is the only way to go.

All play is the stupidest thing ever invented. Why not just put all 12 team names on a roulette wheel and spin it?

 

[Skipper]

Just curious how you handled the H2H tie breaker. Since you have 14 games I'm guessing you do your league similar to mine (12 teams, 3 divisions of 4, play each division opponents twice and the other 8 teams once. Requires one week of double headers).We have a dispute over the division champion. Three way tie at 6-8.Team 1 - 1361.0 points, split with team 2, split with team 3Team 2 - 1354.0 points, split with team 1, swept team 3Team 3 - 1328.0 points, split with team 1, got swept by team 2.Now does Team 1 win the division based on total points because no team had the H2H tiebreaker over the other two or does Team 2 get in because they were 3-1 head to head while Team 1 was 2-2?The rules say tie breaker is H2H, then total points.

I'd rank the teams as follows:1. Team 22. Team 13. Team 3When multiple teams have the same overall record, H2H means all games among those teams. In this case, you get a discrete ranking (the three teams have different H2H records), so you go with that.I play an obscure sport called Double Disc Court where we typically have a 10-team round robin and advance two or four teams, so breaking ties comes up a lot. As soon as a team has a unique ranking, that's what they get. For teams that are still tied, you move on to the next step, which in your case would be total points.

 

[Chaka]

VG isn't thinking this one through.

Total points is a stupid tiebreaker in H2H leagues. The only tiebreakers should be H2H records. Against each other, common opponents, the rest of the division, the other division, the league as a whole, vs. the average score for each week, QB vs QB H2H scoring, coin flip, then total points should be the order of tiebreakers.

H2H is far superior and this thread just further points that out.

Uhm...yeah.FTR I'm not a proponent of total points and H2H is antiquated. All-Play is the only way to go.

All play is the stupidest thing ever invented. Why not just put all 12 team names on a roulette wheel and spin it?

Wait a minute? Tell me more about this alleged spinning wheel method.

 

[fantasyplayer]

VG isn't thinking this one through.

Total points is a stupid tiebreaker in H2H leagues. The only tiebreakers should be H2H records. Against each other, common opponents, the rest of the division, the other division, the league as a whole, vs. the average score for each week, QB vs QB H2H scoring, coin flip, then total points should be the order of tiebreakers.

H2H is far superior and this thread just further points that out.

I understand your passionate about this, but why is QB vs. QB scoring a more fair tie breaker than total points for the season? I would think total points is a better indicator of the quality of the team overall than just looking at a single position.By the way, how does the coin flip end in a tie?

 

[DiStefano]

In real life football, teams have lost the Superbowl because of 12 inches short, or "wide left".

Deal with it.

 

[CrazyHorse1581]

How are the teams 6-8 when there have only been 13 weeks in the season?

 

[GoBears84]

How are the teams 6-8 when there have only been 13 weeks in the season?

 

[DiStefano]

How are the teams 6-8 when there have only been 13 weeks in the season?

His league has developed a new version of "parity". Every team gets a win to start the season.

 

[offdee]

I made the playoffs in my 14 team dynasty league (Final, #6 seed) by 0.06 pts.

Literally, if Joe McKnight would've picked up 3 more yards on that final carry last night I would've been out. (I had Pats Def)

 

[bulger2holt]

In real life football, teams have lost the Superbowl because of 12 inches short, or "wide left". Deal with it.

That 12" would have only tied the game, barring they made the xp. So they didn't lose by 12" as everybody says.

 

[bulger2holt]

All play is gay. What fun is not having an opponant each week ?

 

[Chaka]

All play is gay. What fun is not having an opponant each week ?

Getting the best teams into the playoffs every year.H2H is nice but the model is too deeply flawed.Bottom feeder teams who get lucky enough to play teams during their low scoring weeks should not be in the playoffs. Power house teams get punished each year because they have the misfortune of catching opponents during their best weeks. It's a broken system.

 

[bulger2holt]

All play is gay. What fun is not having an opponant each week ?

Getting the best teams into the playoffs every year.H2H is nice but the model is too deeply flawed.Bottom feeder teams who get lucky enough to play teams during their low scoring weeks should not be in the playoffs. Power house teams get punished each year because they have the misfortune of catching opponents during their best weeks. It's a broken system.

Slightly flawed, but way more fun. I figure it all evens out in the end.

 

[videoguy505]

It's a broken system.

Total points and All-Play are just as woefully broken.Which is why my league plays 17 weeks of head-to-head games, then we vote on a winner like they used to at the World Series of Poker.

 

[bulger2holt]

All play is gay. What fun is not having an opponant each week ?

Getting the best teams into the playoffs every year.H2H is nice but the model is too deeply flawed.Bottom feeder teams who get lucky enough to play teams during their low scoring weeks should not be in the playoffs. Power house teams get punished each year because they have the misfortune of catching opponents during their best weeks. It's a broken system.

The NFL doesn't even get the best into the playoffs each year.

 

[Chaka]

All play is gay. What fun is not having an opponant each week ?

Getting the best teams into the playoffs every year.H2H is nice but the model is too deeply flawed.Bottom feeder teams who get lucky enough to play teams during their low scoring weeks should not be in the playoffs. Power house teams get punished each year because they have the misfortune of catching opponents during their best weeks. It's a broken system.

The NFL doesn't even get the best into the playoffs each year.

That does not seem to be a strong argument for why your league shouldn't try to get the best teams into the playoffs as often as possible.

 

[Chaka]

All play is gay. What fun is not having an opponant each week ?

Getting the best teams into the playoffs every year.H2H is nice but the model is too deeply flawed.Bottom feeder teams who get lucky enough to play teams during their low scoring weeks should not be in the playoffs. Power house teams get punished each year because they have the misfortune of catching opponents during their best weeks. It's a broken system.

Slightly flawed, but way more fun. I figure it all evens out in the end.

Perhaps it will even out for you over time if you play for decades in multiple leagues. But in a given year with so few opportunities to separate the wheat from the chaff it doesn't even remotely even out.

 

[Trizzler]

Best way to determine championship caliber teams in any sports league:

1. Get 100 random people together who are all heavily biased. Have them all individually rank the teams in your league before the season. Use these rankings at the end of the season, regardless of how the teams actually perform.

2. Find six computers that are capable of running complex mathematical calculations. Give these computers absolutely random numbers with no statistical meaning, and then provide them with the names of the fantasy teams in your league. Ask for a jumbled printout with incomprehensible decimal values.

3. Average the two polls together using calculus.

Viola! You have now found who your top two teams are with no reason for anyone to debate about the results! The NCAA will be very proud of your accomplishments.

 

[Jersey35]

Wonders how long it will be before someone realizes that VG is

 

[videoguy505]

The only tiebreakers should be H2H records. Against each other, common opponents, the rest of the division, the other division, the league as a whole, vs. the average score for each week, QB vs QB H2H scoring, coin flip, then total points should be the order of tiebreakers.

H2H is far superior and this thread just further points that out.

how does the coin flip end in a tie?

It could land on the edge.

 

[DiStefano]

In real life football, teams have lost the Superbowl because of 12 inches short, or "wide left". Deal with it.

That 12" would have only tied the game, barring they made the xp. So they didn't lose by 12" as everybody says.

The game wasn't lost until they came up 12'' short.

 

[Chaka]

Wonders how long it will be before someone realizes that VG is

Happened already.

 

[Jersey35]

Wonders how long it will be before someone realizes that VG is

Happened already.

My bad. Missed that. At least someone's on the ball here.

 

[shortbow]

All play is gay. What fun is not having an opponant each week ?

Getting the best teams into the playoffs every year.H2H is nice but the model is too deeply flawed.Bottom feeder teams who get lucky enough to play teams during their low scoring weeks should not be in the playoffs. Power house teams get punished each year because they have the misfortune of catching opponents during their best weeks. It's a broken system.

11-2 #1 seed in H2HLeading in both for and against in points, its been ridiculousPF:2201.7 PA:2114.8

 

[bulger2holt]

In real life football, teams have lost the Superbowl because of 12 inches short, or "wide left". Deal with it.

That 12" would have only tied the game, barring they made the xp. So they didn't lose by 12" as everybody says.

The game wasn't lost until they came up 12'' short.

Still didn't lose by 12". Maybe the staement should be they came 12" away from tying the game.

 

[SWC]

all play leagues are the worst invention evr because e they never make you be the best manager you could be and i am still oposed to any league where you aren't rewarded points for scoring on gadget plays so i guess until the sportslines fo the world figure out how to award gadget points there won't b a perfect leage out there. e

 

[shredhead]

so this whole thread is about 5 teams tied at 6-8and we're discussing playoffs? Doesn't matter if it's H2H or all play, teams with sub .500 records don't deserve to be in no stinkin' playoffs.

 

[Stinkin Ref]

we had a very balanced league this year and we had five teams end the season at 6-8 and fighting for the last playoff spot.....none of the 6-8 teams had the head to head tiebreaker over all of the other 6-8 teams, so it went to the total points tiebreaker......

Team 1 1381.48

Team 2 1380.97 (-0.51)

Taem 3 1380.66 (-0.82)

Team 4 1378.70 (-2.78)

Just curious how you handled the H2H tie breaker. Since you have 14 games I'm guessing you do your league similar to mine (12 teams, 3 divisions of 4, play each division opponents twice and the other 8 teams once. Requires one week of double headers).We have a dispute over the division champion. Three way tie at 6-8.

Team 1 - 1361.0 points, split with team 2, split with team 3

Team 2 - 1354.0 points, split with team 1, swept team 3

Team 3 - 1328.0 points, split with team 1, got swept by team 2.

Now does Team 1 win the division based on total points because no team had the H2H tiebreaker over the other two or does Team 2 get in because they were 3-1 head to head while Team 1 was 2-2?

The rules say tie breaker is H2H, then total points.

this was not a division tiebreaker as the teams tied at 6-8 were from different divisions except for two......one of the divisions....(I ended up changing the name to NFC West).....had 3 teams at 6-8 and one at 5-9....it was a mess....a 6-8 team ended up getting the #3 seed.....

 

[Stinkin Ref]

How are the teams 6-8 when there have only been 13 weeks in the season?

DH week 11...... after the byes.... to balance schedule....last non division opponent and 2nd game against a division opponent all in same week.....

 

[Insein]

It's a broken system.

Total points and All-Play are just as woefully broken.Which is why my league plays 17 weeks of head-to-head games, then we vote on a winner like they used to at the World Series of Poker.

 

[CrazyHorse1581]

How are the teams 6-8 when there have only been 13 weeks in the season?

DH week 11...... after the byes.... to balance schedule....last non division opponent and 2nd game against a division opponent all in same week.....

Cool, never seen that before. I kind of like the idea.