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Indefinite New York Jets Official thread - **2025 season** - The indefinite rebuild continues (1 Viewer)

as an fyi, under a defensive HC, this team has zero takeaways. for his career, gardner has 3 INTs, 2 during his rookie year. i don’t remember the last time a safety picked off a pass.

Our safeties are useless and Sauce must play with greased oven mitts.

What's even worse than not getting INTs is what is our ratio on recovering fumbles??? It has to be like 2% even when we are the only players in the area. I have never seen a team miss more lose footballs than this team over the years. It's like rigged dice. It never lands their way like sort of everlasting voodoo curse.
Turnovers are a rare commodity for the Jets - I lost track of all the fumbles they never come up with - for years now. Even when the D was really good with Saleh they never got turnovers. Now the D is mid and still dont get turnovers.

Really hope Fields plays as I dont want to watch Tyrod again....no point
 
as an fyi, under a defensive HC, this team has zero takeaways. for his career, gardner has 3 INTs, 2 during his rookie year. i don’t remember the last time a safety picked off a pass.

Our safeties are useless and Sauce must play with greased oven mitts.

What's even worse than not getting INTs is what is our ratio on recovering fumbles??? It has to be like 2% even when we are the only players in the area. I have never seen a team miss more lose footballs than this team over the years. It's like rigged dice. It never lands their way like sort of everlasting voodoo curse.
Turnovers are a rare commodity for the Jets - I lost track of all the fumbles they never come up with - for years now. Even when the D was really good with Saleh they never got turnovers. Now the D is mid and still dont get turnovers.

Really hope Fields plays as I dont want to watch Tyrod again....no point
you know, tyrod might be better.
 
I bet you guys do remember some turnovers...unfortunately almost all of them by us. Butt fumble. Pick any 2-3 weekly by Z Wilson. Let's not forget the hail mary before the half INT. Omg, so many.
 
as an fyi, under a defensive HC, this team has zero takeaways. for his career, gardner has 3 INTs, 2 during his rookie year. i don’t remember the last time a safety picked off a pass.

Our safeties are useless and Sauce must play with greased oven mitts.

What's even worse than not getting INTs is what is our ratio on recovering fumbles??? It has to be like 2% even when we are the only players in the area. I have never seen a team miss more lose footballs than this team over the years. It's like rigged dice. It never lands their way like sort of everlasting voodoo curse.
Turnovers are a rare commodity for the Jets - I lost track of all the fumbles they never come up with - for years now. Even when the D was really good with Saleh they never got turnovers. Now the D is mid and still dont get turnovers.

Really hope Fields plays as I dont want to watch Tyrod again....no point
you know, tyrod might be better.
He might be, but he is 100% not the future of this team. Fields might only be at a 15% chance at best at this point, but at least it's there. Plus the best the offense has looked in years was week 1. Week 2 was horrendous, but I'd like to at least see where the pendulum settles with him at QB.
 
i think the jest now have 1 decent LB rostered and that is sherwood, who was on the field because mosley wasn’t. this defence is so lousy. reminds me of the kotite jest.
 
Reporters in the locker room interviewing Titans players just shocked and sad.

He tweeted then deleted it.

Everyone says the same thing- he's a dawg
 
i think the jest now have 1 decent LB rostered and that is sherwood, who was on the field because mosley wasn’t. this defence is so lousy. reminds me of the kotite jest.
Fred Taylor was on some podcast and talking about their old safety lighting people up and how the NFL pushing against big hits lowered turnover numbers.
Debate carried on, stats shared that essentially it's untrue, but every player on there said that's still how you create turnovers 😊

I believe it. Skip the stats. If Jets get some big hits, change will come. Maybe it won't be the hit but a bad adjustment afraid to get hit.

Remember Otis Smith somehow having INTs aways seem to come to him? Brownlee's in your face style gets his hands on a lot of passes. If he almost intercepts it or wrestles with the WR for it, I don't usually care if it's caught. Stats do but for me, stuff happens when defenders touch the ball. Maybe not that play, but it's coming.

Some people used to call our safety Kevin Byard not good and say he's just opportunistic. I'll take that too. Do I care if he intercepts a pass right to him or grabs a batted ball?

I bet if the Jets nail some big hits their luck changes
 
@NYJetsTFMedia
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#Jets new CB Jarvis Brownlee is currently the #1 ranked CB in all of football at stopping the run, & below you see why

He's also been a starter since being drafted in 2024

GREAT trade
 
brownlee is definitely a jet type of player. proliferation for taking penalties, hurt. if he plays at the same time as clemons, jets have a chance to incur a penalty on every play. this d is gonna give up 30 every game.
 
Fields at practice but in protocol still - gonna go down to the wire - agree with above - Fields may only have a small chance of being the future but as Lloyd Christmas says to 1 in a million - "so you're telling me theres a chance!!!!"

JJ and Brownlee designated "week to week" so may be a while before the debut
 
I appreciate the staff recognizing weak spots on the team and making cheap trades to fill them. They basically gave up nothing for Brownlee, so who cares if he stinks (or is "good" but too penalty prone)

But it doesn't make up for the obvious moves they made/didn't make that have caused those problems in the first place. Everyone knew wr2 was a problem and they did nothing. Every pundit said that the stephens deal made no sense and that he stunk and they gave him 40 million dollars.

Just make it make sense. Why pay a project that one of the best franchises in the league gave up on that kind of money? MAJOR red flag
 
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I appreciate the staff recognizing weak spots on the team and making cheap trades to fill them. They basically gave up nothing for Brownlee, so who cares if he stinks (or is "good" but too penalty prone)

But it doesn't make up the obvious moves they made/didn't make that have caused those problems in the first place. Everyone knew wr2 was a problem and they did nothing. Every pundit said that the stephens deal made no sense and that he stuck and they gave him 40 million dollars.

Just make it make sense. Why pay a project that one of the best franchises in the league that kind of money? MAJOR red flag
agreed - i think this was AG being a little too cocky that he feel in love with Stephens athletic traits and figured as a CB guru he could fix him - hopefully lesson learned. IMO he gets one of these. Big mistake
 
I appreciate the staff recognizing weak spots on the team and making cheap trades to fill them. They basically gave up nothing for Brownlee, so who cares if he stinks (or is "good" but too penalty prone)

But it doesn't make up the obvious moves they made/didn't make that have caused those problems in the first place. Everyone knew wr2 was a problem and they did nothing. Every pundit said that the stephens deal made no sense and that he stuck and they gave him 40 million dollars.

Just make it make sense. Why pay a project that one of the best franchises in the league that kind of money? MAJOR red flag

Yep. This is the exact point I was getting at upthread only not as succinctly.
 
I appreciate the staff recognizing weak spots on the team and making cheap trades to fill them. They basically gave up nothing for Brownlee, so who cares if he stinks (or is "good" but too penalty prone)

But it doesn't make up for the obvious moves they made/didn't make that have caused those problems in the first place. Everyone knew wr2 was a problem and they did nothing. Every pundit said that the stephens deal made no sense and that he stunk and they gave him 40 million dollars.

Just make it make sense. Why pay a project that one of the best franchises in the league gave up on that kind of money? MAJOR red flag
I liked both WRs with the same last name this offseason.
I can't stand when teams with poor receiving production offer a snobby POV towards preseason/summer success.
Keep that third stringer, at least he makes plays
 
Justin Fields is our QB and Darnold is doing what Darnold apparently now does, which is drop bombs in buckets in a league where they take away the deep pass. JFC. The Jets?

Forget this. It's the owner. There is no structure, no clue who to hire, no clue what to do with the talent they inevitably take at the top of the first round. Woody will spend then override and meddle. Can we freaky Friday him with Sheila Hamp Ford? Please?

Or maybe have an ex-player more like Chris Spielman and less like Mark Gastineau?

****. This organization sucks. Since '69.

This team. My God. This has been your nigthly lament.

 
@Bri

I know you love Brownlee, but what the Titans took for him raised some red flags in my world, I guess, and I came across a claim that he was missing meetings and not with the organization and sort of a general problem. Ross Tucker has covered the league and covered it well for years, and he has this to say about CJGJ in Houston and Brownlee in TN. Crap.


Easton Freeze implies that the player is either expendable or a problem


It is actually been surmised that he will indeed play the slot corner position while our LB Williams is on the shelf. Much has been made of his tackling.

With that in mind, it might be nice to see if he can be CB2 and let Stephens sacrifice his body in the middle of the field. The edges are much more valuable and talent to go there difficult to find and expensive, not to mention crucial for the team's success.

And if he can cover the boundary, it does point to both Tucker and Freeze's assertion. Some stuff is too good to be true and thus isn't good in the first place. Let's hope he had just had it with somebody in TN or all the losing.

Brownlee is currently injured and is considered week-to-week in his prognosis.
 
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@Bri

I know you love Brownlee, but what the Titans took for him raised some red flags in my world, I guess, and I came across a claim that he was missing meetings and not with the organization and sort of a general problem. Ross Tucker has covered the league and covered it well for years, and he has this to say about CJGJ in Houston and Brownlee in TN. Crap.


Easton Freeze implies that the player is either expendable or a problem


It is actually been surmised that he will indeed play the slot corner position while our LB Williams is on the shelf. Much has been made of his tackling.

With that in mind, it might be nice to see if he can be CB2 and let Stephens sacrifice his body in the middle of the field. The edges are much more valuable and talent to go there difficult to find and expensive, not to mention crucial for the team's success.

And if he can cover the boundary, it does point to both Tucker and Freeze's assertion. Some stuff is too good to be true and thus isn't good in the first place. Let's hope he had just had it with somebody in TN or all the losing.

Brownlee is currently injured and is considered week-to-week in his prognosis.
Edited to remove since RA's followup
 
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Justin Fields is our QB and Darnold is doing what Darnold apparently now does, which is drop bombs in buckets in a league where they take away the deep pass. JFC. The Jets?

Darnold looked really good last night but it's hard to blame the Jets for moving on from him (they can take blame for not developing him and supporting him though). He also failed miserably in Carolina and then bounced around as a back-up before being resurrected by Shanahan and O'Connell. He looked really really bad in the Vikings last game with the division on the line and in his one and done playoff game. I honestly thought he'd fail in Seattle with their poor line but he's played very well this year.
 
Justin Fields is our QB and Darnold is doing what Darnold apparently now does, which is drop bombs in buckets in a league where they take away the deep pass. JFC. The Jets?

Darnold looked really good last night but it's hard to blame the Jets for moving on from him (they can take blame for not developing him and supporting him though). He also failed miserably in Carolina and then bounced around as a back-up before being resurrected by Shanahan and O'Connell. He looked really really bad in the Vikings last game with the division on the line and in his one and done playoff game. I honestly thought he'd fail in Seattle with their poor line but he's played very well this year.

All of that is true. I was saying what your parenthetical aside did. I would have clearly moved on from Sam given the NYJ situation and organization. My fear and lament is that the structure is the exact same with the same things precluding any potential for successes by coaches, GMs, scouts, front office folks, and players.

It never changes.
 
@Bri

I know you love Brownlee, but what the Titans took for him raised some red flags in my world, I guess, and I came across a claim that he was missing meetings and not with the organization and sort of a general problem. Ross Tucker has covered the league and covered it well for years, and he has this to say about CJGJ in Houston and Brownlee in TN. Crap.


Easton Freeze implies that the player is either expendable or a problem


It is actually been surmised that he will indeed play the slot corner position while our LB Williams is on the shelf. Much has been made of his tackling.

With that in mind, it might be nice to see if he can be CB2 and let Stephens sacrifice his body in the middle of the field. The edges are much more valuable and talent to go there difficult to find and expensive, not to mention crucial for the team's success.

And if he can cover the boundary, it does point to both Tucker and Freeze's assertion. Some stuff is too good to be true and thus isn't good in the first place. Let's hope he had just had it with somebody in TN or all the losing.

Brownlee is currently injured and is considered week-to-week in his prognosis.
First of all, you have this premise that the Titans are a well run organization making wise decisions in here 😉

Our new GM released Awuzie who is now a starter. Why not trade? Why release him? We never got any answer whatsoever.

Up n coming glowing CB coach Chris Harris walked. Everyone praises the guy and new staffs keep him but the new GM comes and now he's with the Jets. Never got any update on that.

Brownlee was a fifth- steal of the draft- and traded with a seventh for a sixth and the HC said the GM and he thinks that's good value.

The coach called out James Williams and the defense for tackling last week and made him inactive. Welp the starter til the last two weeks didn't play a snap on defense and after the prior game he singled him out as playing great on ST. We're left wondering if he has the wrong player.

They signed Armour Davis from Bal as a WW and he was familiar with the DC and he got a chance to play with Brownlee out. After the game, coach said he was pulled and they need to work on some things. On Tuesday, coach named him as a Brownlee replacement.

Our starting RT fill in for Latham has been cut and on our PS a few times the last couple years but they tell us he's quite good as a replacement. Cam was just shy of David Carr's sack record but...yeah yeah the RT is good.

Our rookie RBs ankle will be healed up for the regular season, no no now he's doing well with the trainers and could play this week, and...they put him on IR.

Tvondre Sweat said (video on X) he would play last week and then was put on IR. Coach said he had to practice and said he won't play on Friday and then put him on IR on Saturday AND had a shpeal about the strife between the D and O since the D was playing so much better.

Our fellow fans claim every signed player is better than he was and every cut player is worse than he was.

Anytime someone is traded for peanuts that stuff is said by some but not that the organization made a mistake.

There were about 8 players that spoke up unhappy about the Brownlee trade. That's abnormally positive for a guy after two games into his second year. That's on every social media and quoted in articles. There's also reports of players leaving the locker room after that game and after Wed practice afraid to say the wrong thing.

There's a plethora of articles and shows saying how ridiculous the trade was including click bait Easton saying so. He literally has his hands on his head in one. Click away, he got you.

Aaron Glenn wasn't all smiles because Brownlee stinks.

He does miss tackles when they're blown out and he tried to make a spectacular play as if he can turn a 21 point deficit. IDC. The rest of the time he's fine if not very good. The Titans have terrible (32nd) ranked edges and our CBs often have to tackle backs running wide with zero help on the play. Thankfully our safeties rock so they're usually there and it's a two man stop. Steichen ran ten bootleg plays because of our edges.
Brownlee blitz and darted to the QB and dove and...missed recently.
Occasionally, he gets angry after some catches and goes for the ball in the WR hands and should just tackle them.
He'll get called for too many penalties.
He's not perfect.

I shared stats of his exceptionally low YPA stats last year and how he's only allowed 61 yards this year. Before injury, he led the NFL in yards allowed and catches allowed by a CB with X number of snaps.

You just fell for Easton's click bait.
There is no way I can read all that. I guess it’s possible I’m falling for clickbait. Is longtime journalist Ross Tucker similarly gullible? I guess we will find out.
 
Justin Fields is our QB and Darnold is doing what Darnold apparently now does, which is drop bombs in buckets in a league where they take away the deep pass. JFC. The Jets?

Darnold looked really good last night but it's hard to blame the Jets for moving on from him (they can take blame for not developing him and supporting him though). He also failed miserably in Carolina and then bounced around as a back-up before being resurrected by Shanahan and O'Connell. He looked really really bad in the Vikings last game with the division on the line and in his one and done playoff game. I honestly thought he'd fail in Seattle with their poor line but he's played very well this year.

All of that is true. I was saying what your parenthetical aside did. I would have clearly moved on from Sam given the NYJ situation and organization. My fear and lament is that the structure is the exact same with the same things precluding any potential for successes by coaches, GMs, scouts, front office folks, and players.

It never changes.
It’s been pretty futile close to twenty years now - and it wasn’t exactly plush with success before that.

I think being a fan of this team may squarely fall under that one prevalent but not really correct definition of insanity.

As of now, I’m not writing off the coach and GM, but as you say it goes above that. Obviously the track record says we start all over again in two or three years.
 
I also hope Fields is healthy. Otherwise there’s no real reason to watch. Taylor could win games in the NFL but there’s not much point in that and there’s surely no future there.

I also hope they manufacture some touches for Mason Taylor and make him the de facto WR2. He’s shown flashes of being a playmaker. They really have nothing after Wilson, as been said.
 
I also hope Fields is healthy. Otherwise there’s no real reason to watch. Taylor could win games in the NFL but there’s not much point in that and there’s surely no future there.

I also hope they manufacture some touches for Mason Taylor and make him the de facto WR2. He’s shown flashes of being a playmaker. They really have nothing after Wilson, as been said.

Yeah, I agree with this but I've always thought Fields was awful and aside from that game against Pittsburgh, well, I think things have always been bleak for the hopes that he will intersect with greatness in some way.

I don't know. I'll let it play out.
 
I also hope Fields is healthy. Otherwise there’s no real reason to watch. Taylor could win games in the NFL but there’s not much point in that and there’s surely no future there.

I also hope they manufacture some touches for Mason Taylor and make him the de facto WR2. He’s shown flashes of being a playmaker. They really have nothing after Wilson, as been said.

Yeah, I agree with this but I've always thought Fields was awful and aside from that game against Pittsburgh, well, I think things have always been bleak for the hopes that he will intersect with greatness in some way.

I don't know. I'll let it play out.
I didn’t see the Buffalo game so I have some hope with Fields still (not to be a great QB but “good enough” when combined with his athleticism). I think he’s looked decent but inconsistent with Chicago and Pitt and his traits line up with the QBs on successful teams.

I’m not really counting on it - but want to at least see what happens with his progress. Week 1 didn’t look like a fluke in any way, but I understand Week 2 was a disaster, so maybe the inconsistency remains.

I want him to play this week because if he stinks against Miami, we know he stinks. They have the worst secondary in the NFL and the Jets line has been decent.
 
I also hope Fields is healthy. Otherwise there’s no real reason to watch. Taylor could win games in the NFL but there’s not much point in that and there’s surely no future there.

I also hope they manufacture some touches for Mason Taylor and make him the de facto WR2. He’s shown flashes of being a playmaker. They really have nothing after Wilson, as been said.

Yeah, I agree with this but I've always thought Fields was awful and aside from that game against Pittsburgh, well, I think things have always been bleak for the hopes that he will intersect with greatness in some way.

I don't know. I'll let it play out.
I didn’t see the Buffalo game so I have some hope with Fields still (not to be a great QB but “good enough” when combined with his athleticism). I think he’s looked decent but inconsistent with Chicago and Pitt and his traits line up with the QBs on successful teams.

I’m not really counting on it - but want to at least see what happens with his progress. Week 1 didn’t look like a fluke in any way, but I understand Week 2 was a disaster, so maybe the inconsistency remains.

I want him to play this week because if he stinks against Miami, we know he stinks. They have the worst secondary in the NFL and the Jets line has been decent.

Yeah. I hear you.

The Jets line isn't good, man. Membou is top ten in both pass block and run block win rate, but PFF says we are the 19th best. Olu Fashanu has the second-worst pressure rate among left tackles in the NFL. Whatever Membou gets you, Fashanu has lost.

Joe Tippman and John Simpson have good run blocking grades, but the unit has allowed tons of pressure on dropbacks.
 
Don't be stupid. They can't possibly call a penalty on EVERY play!!!

Right? :unsure:
Did you watch the 1st quarter of the Jets/Bucs game? :lol:

To be fair, it was only like 7 penalties out of 8 straight plays. There must be a site that has a penalties called prop and those refs were probably just copying those pitchers from the Cleveland Guardians to make a little extra cash on the side.
 
Unwatchable again. Penalties, fumbles, now Allen seems to be out with an ugly injury.

We're just not watching and playing the same sport as the good teams. Everything is hard for us, always
 
Unwatchable again. Penalties, fumbles, now Allen seems to be out with an ugly injury.

We're just not watching and playing the same sport as the good teams. Everything is hard for us, always

Breece gets banged up on the first drive and they have Allen returning kicks. This team is so moronic.

Penalty after penalty.

Draft a qb next year.
 
Yeah, I'm not upset and I'm all over Glenn probably more than I'm actually feeling.

But they're taking a ton of penalites, the defensive play calling is suspect, and they don't seem to know how to use their offensive personnel. I missed Breece getting banged up. That seems to be par for the course. He averaged nearly six yards a carry. He was 14-81 for 5.8 YPC. That's very good, but it is absent of context, even though the game context wasn't really seemingly a good one for running if you were a Jet.

I do not know his advanced metrics to comment intelligently. How many broken or forced missed tackles did and does he heave. His rushing yards over expectation for the year is -4, but I don't know exactly how much faith to put into that stat. I know that the good-looking RBs have good numbers in that stat and the ones that fail the eye test fail that stat.

That doesn't mean it is legit and it also means he's strikingly average if it is legit.
 
Just total apathy at this point. Missed the start of the game because I forgot it started early. Turned it in just in time to see Allen barf it up on the goal line. Realistically the game was over right there.

Found myself switching channels to big bang theory reruns and random movies in between penalties and unrecovered fumbles (apparently the ball has been on the ground 10x in Jets games this year and the opposition has recovered every single one of them)

Same team it has always been. Just a broken franchise. Whatever.
 
Just total apathy at this point. Missed the start of the game because I forgot it started early. Turned it in just in time to see Allen barf it up on the goal line. Realistically the game was over right there.

Found myself switching channels to big bang theory reruns and random movies in between penalties and unrecovered fumbles (apparently the ball has been on the ground 10x in Jets games this year and the opposition has recovered every single one of them)

Same team it has always been. Just a broken franchise. Whatever.
i tune in the same way i kind of watch ambulances and fire trucks in the other lane of traffic. i check it out, don’t stare, am a bit concerned, but i move on quickly.
i have a game with my wife, every time i see a drug commercial and they discuss side effects, i tell my wife it is how i feel while watching this franchise;

The most common side effects of Jets watching may include:

Nausea
Diarrhea
Vomiting
Constipation
Stomach (abdomen) pain
Headache
Tiredness (fatigue)
Upset stomach
Dizziness
Feeling bloated
Belching
Low blood sugar in people with type 2 diabetes
Gas
Stomach flu
Heartburn
Runny nose or sore throat

Pay attention to how you’re feeling and talk with another jet fan about any side effect that does not go away or bothers you.
 
I watched more of the Denver game last night. Did the Jets game feel as close as the score?

No, it didn't. The Jets were down 24-13 with seven minutes left in the game. Miami had scored to make it 24-10 with five left in the third quarter. Down 24-13 with eleven in the third on our own three, we ran the ball twice to begin the drive, picked up a first down on a pass, ran the ball again, passed twice and then punted with 7 minutes or so left.

It never felt close. Miami then kicked a field goal to go up 27-13 and the Jets scored a TD with 1:49 left and converted the two-point conversion to bring the game to 27-21, but Miami got the ball, punted it inside the five, and the game was over.

Never really felt close.
 
I can understand the lack of talent on both sides of the ball beyond a handful of players. That doesn’t bother me nearly as much as the ongoing lack of discipline/penalties - this is the crap that Glenn was brought in to rectify and it’s only gotten worse.
 
I can understand the lack of talent on both sides of the ball beyond a handful of players. That doesn’t bother me nearly as much as the ongoing lack of discipline/penalties - this is the crap that Glenn was brought in to rectify and it’s only gotten worse.
3 offensive false starts, 2 illegal shifts? now we have the weekly john simpson roughing, the offensive michael clemons.

i still like listening to francesa and he mentions that 100 yards in penalties = 1 TD. jets have had 74, 81 and 101 in 3/4 games. can’t be giving other teams 1 td when the talent level isn’t there. seems there could be 3-4 top 10 qbs next year. figure the jest to draft the wrong one.
 
And then there was this also, which was an AG special. Down 14 in the 3rd, with 18:30 minutes left in the game, we ran a draw on 3rd and 6 with our RB3, lost a yard, and then punted.

-1-yd Run
3:26 - 3rd
(Shotgun) I.Davis right guard to NYJ 49 for -1 yards (Z.Sieler).
3rd & 6 at 50

That made it fourth down. He ran a draw out of the shotgun on 3rd and 6 from the Miami 49. We were down 14.

Then we punted.
 
I can understand the lack of talent on both sides of the ball beyond a handful of players. That doesn’t bother me nearly as much as the ongoing lack of discipline/penalties - this is the crap that Glenn was brought in to rectify and it’s only gotten worse.
I think they found their QB.. I don't think Fields is playing bad at all, but he needs help. They need a good second choice for him at wideout. All he has is Wilson.
That said, last night the whole turning point was Allen fumble going in for 6. If he scores there, the whole game might of been different.
 
That said, last night the whole turning point was Allen fumble going in for 6. If he scores there, the whole game might have been different.
The Jets probably would have found a way to lose anyway, but that Allen cough-up definitely changed the complexion of the game. They were gashing the Dolphins up front and the turnover was a huge confidence swing. And for his troubles, Allen will probably be sitting on that fumble in the rehab room for some number of weeks.
 
I can understand the lack of talent on both sides of the ball beyond a handful of players. That doesn’t bother me nearly as much as the ongoing lack of discipline/penalties - this is the crap that Glenn was brought in to rectify and it’s only gotten worse.

I've been watching modern football for fifteen or so years now, and it feels like talent level and amount of penalties taken is at least correlated in some way, and although I do not have data, I would venture that false starts, offsides, motion, holding, PIs, and other penalties that have to do with pure gameplay are causal as well.
 
I can understand the lack of talent on both sides of the ball beyond a handful of players. That doesn’t bother me nearly as much as the ongoing lack of discipline/penalties - this is the crap that Glenn was brought in to rectify and it’s only gotten worse.

I've been watching modern football for fifteen or so years now, and it feels like talent level and amount of penalties taken is at least correlated in some way, and although I do not have data, I would venture that false starts, offsides, motion, holding, PIs, and other penalties that have to do with pure gameplay are causal as well.
Could certainly be part of it. Lack of talent could mean trying to get an extra edge that crosses the line. I contend it’s more culture and discipline, but I’m sure it’s more complex than we armchair folks can grasp.
 
And then there was this also, which was an AG special. Down 14 in the 3rd, with 18:30 minutes left in the game, we ran a draw on 3rd and 6 with our RB3, lost a yard, and then punted.

-1-yd Run
3:26 - 3rd
(Shotgun) I.Davis right guard to NYJ 49 for -1 yards (Z.Sieler).
3rd & 6 at 50

That made it fourth down. He ran a draw out of the shotgun on 3rd and 6 from the Miami 49. We were down 14.

Then we punted.
Guessing they were HOPING to be in 4 down territory but couldn't even manage 3 yards.

I actually thought the 4th and 1 playcall on Fields' scramble TD was even more moronic and dumb luck that we scored. Miami was in the backfield all game, so on 4th and 1 instead of just trying to power forward for a yard, lets roll out Fields, who INSTANTLY had a guy in his face, and had to turn a busted NFL Street style play into a TD.
 

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