TLEF316
Footballguy
Was thinking the exact same thing yesterday. Jets have no wrs and college ain't the pros but its hard to believe it's the same person
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Indefinite New York Jets Official thread - **2025 season** - The indefinite rebuild continues (11 Viewers)
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rockaction
Footballguy
The coaches in Chicago weren't good. I've never been a Fields guy but he was willing to throw the ball deep even if it took him forever. Now he won't do that at all. Chicago and Pittsburgh were the wrong places for his head.
I also don't know the man (and have defended him on Twitter, even, as seeming like a good guy) but he doesn't and didn't strike me as the most mentally resilient fellow. Remember the weird eyelid thing in Chicago with the breathing on the sidelines?
zamboni
Footballguy
I often come back to this. IIRC, when Fields entered the draft, one of the biggest strengths cited was his accuracy. I don’t even recall his running being highlighted that much. It’s a strange sport.
Kiddnets
Footballguy
Watching him guy out that win against Clemson I was thrilled with the #2 pick - I thought he was an easy #2 to Trevor. He easily looked to me as good as Caleb did. This isnt a case of drafting a guy on potential with an arm like Zach Wilson - he was playing top tier defenses and more than holding his own. I just cant believe its the same guy.
Chemical X
Footballguy
i went back to read some of his scouting reports and there wasn’t a lot of negatives…..however, this seems to make some sense now:
NEGATIVES
— Not asked to make a lot of true progressions. Offense utilized a lot of wide receiver read routes that forced Fields to hold on to the ball and hitch while the wideout made a decision, so timing will be something he will have to keep improving upon in the NFL.
NEGATIVES
— Not asked to make a lot of true progressions. Offense utilized a lot of wide receiver read routes that forced Fields to hold on to the ball and hitch while the wideout made a decision, so timing will be something he will have to keep improving upon in the NFL.
zamboni
Footballguy
I guess it also helped that he had one great WR after another at OSU, plus an OL that gave him oodles of time to sit back and chuck it.
Chemical X
Footballguy
Chemical X
Footballguy
olave, wilson, njiba something….
zamboni
Footballguy
Plus starvin’ Marvin Jr.
rockaction
Footballguy
Did you guys know that "processing" bit got all racial on Twitter and it was at the point where if you suggested he read defenses slowly you were LAAAACIST?
Not kidding. I'll find the article in The Ringer that is evidence of it.
Why Justin Fields' 'big problem' might not be a big problem at all
When evaluating players at any level, it's obviously important to know what concepts they're running, how those concepts magnify their attributes, and how those concepts may also get in the way of their ultimate athletic potential. It's a lesson we have to re-learn every…
touchdownwire.usatoday.com
Here's Doug "E. Fresh" Farrar firing the salvo: "So, perhaps Justin Fields isn't a slow processor. Perhaps Justin Fields is a potential next-level mind who has passed multiple processing tests at an NFL level before he ever enters an NFL facility. As ESPN's Dan Orlovsky recently pointed out, it's past time to stop thinking of Fields as an athlete, and to start thinking of him as a high-level quarterback."
LOL.
The Ringer got filthy with this one. Total race hacks.
The Ugly Narratives Surrounding Justin Fields’s Tumbling Draft Stock
The Ohio State quarterback came into the year as the clear no. 2 passer in the draft, then had a banner season. Yet now he’s seemingly sliding down draft boards due to clichéd critiques that reinforce the uphill battle Black QB prospects face.
www.theringer.com
“Fields’s film is as good as just about any other player in the 2021 class. At 6-foot-3 and 227 pounds, his ability to survive contact and deliver accurate, layered throws made him one of college football’s most nuanced pocket passers. Across two seasons (22 games) as Ohio State’s starter, Fields completed 68.4 percent of his passes for 5,373 yards (9.3 yards per attempt), 63 touchdowns, and nine interceptions, while finishing third (2019) and seventh (2020) in Heisman voting.
Of course, player assessments go beyond statistics. Back in February, Pro Football Network’s Tony Pauline mentioned that an NFL team representative he spoke with at the Senior Bowl asserted that Fields moved to his second read—meaning he targeted a player who wasn’t the primary receiver on a play—seven times out of 225 attempts. This narrative coincided with the beginning of a drop in his perception. Take a look at the below graph from Benjamin Robinson’s Grinding the Mocks site, which has tracked more than 1,000 different mock drafts, to see how Fields’s standing has changed in comparison to Wilson and Jones:
While the tunnel vision narrative has stuck, further analysis casts doubt on the idea that Fields struggled with advancing through his reads. USA Today’s Doug Farrar detailed how Ohio State’s scheme prominently features advanced route progressions, including option patterns, which at times require the quarterback to hold on to the ball longer than usual. Furthermore, per The Draft Network’s Benjamin Solak, Fields threw beyond his first read 42 times, for a rate of 19.09 percent. That mark is higher than those of the other four QB prospects who are likely to go in the first round: Lawrence (16.99 percent), Wilson (14.20 percent), Jones (9.72 percent), and Lance (16.61 percent).
Following Ohio State’s first pro day last month, Buckeyes coach Ryan Day said that he hadn’t heard from any NFL personnel suggesting Fields struggled to read the field. “I know there’s some people who are saying that in the media,” Day added. “I haven’t spoken to them. But I think it’s interesting.”
‘To be honest, we have some of the best receivers in the country,’ Fields said following his first pro day workout. ‘So if my first and second read is there, I’m not going to pass up that first or second read to get to [the third, fourth] or fifth read to prove that I can read.’”
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Crash Davis
Footballguy
I would love that tbh. I'm not sure we'll get there until the last few games at the earliest though.
Chemical X
Footballguy
he’s gonna have to leap frog james morgan, jordan travis and christian hackenberg before he sees the field.
Deepster
Footballguy
I saw something today that Fields has 4 games with less than 100 yds passing. The rest of the NFL combined has 4 games.
I just don't blame it all on Fields here. For some reason, they just don't let him throw the ball past 10 yds and, before you say it's because he can't? Rodgers didn't throw the ball downfield last season nearly as much as he did at any point in his career. What is it about this franchise that, regardless of coach, OC and QB, they have such a tight cap on the offense?!
I just don't blame it all on Fields here. For some reason, they just don't let him throw the ball past 10 yds and, before you say it's because he can't? Rodgers didn't throw the ball downfield last season nearly as much as he did at any point in his career. What is it about this franchise that, regardless of coach, OC and QB, they have such a tight cap on the offense?!
JohnnyU
Footballguy
He’s like clothes hanging in an apartment of those that smoke inside. It makes everything they wear stink.
Kiddnets
Footballguy
Fields is not good but the OC is certainly not putting him in any position to be better - most are long drop backs where we all know he takes too long - and keeper runs are obvious.
No RPOs,. minimal screens, no quick hits to get the ball out fast....Pitt used him much more to his strengths and it showed.
No RPOs,. minimal screens, no quick hits to get the ball out fast....Pitt used him much more to his strengths and it showed.
rockaction
Footballguy
Rodgers's aDOT (average depth of target) this year was almost setting records. It was horrendous. It might have changed. I'll try and pull the stats. With Rodgers, it's because he doesn't trust the Pitt line and he didn't trust the Jets' line.
Here we are. From Player Profiler. I'll check PFR to be sure.
Air Yards Per Attempt - 6.0
#36 in the league. Backups throw deeper.
PFR has him at 5.9 and #31, tied with pop gun arm Dillon Gabriel and, um, Kyler Murray, who fantasy analysts keep linking us to. No. Don't.
2025 NFL Advanced Passing | Pro-Football-Reference.com
Check out the 2025 NFL Advanced Passing Stats and more on Pro-football-reference.com
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Crash Davis
Footballguy
I don't care if it's Tyrod, Brady Cook or the ghost of Mike White, Fields should be finished as the Jets QB. We can definitively say he isn't part of the future and therefore the QB of the future is not on this roster. Taylor at least gives you a better chance if seeing what these WRs have to offer or maybe Cook shows you he can be a solid backup you keep around. I just don't see the value of playing Fields any longer. It sucks because I liked the move to bring him in when they made it, this isn't revisionist history. I thought he was worth the flyer and would at least make them interesting with his running ability. I was hoping maybe we'd find the diamond in the rough reclamation project. I can admit when I'm wrong though, he's unplayable and he limits what the OC can do, which limits evaluation of everyone or the chance to build anything positive.
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TLEF316
Footballguy
Yup.....I'll never 2nd guess the move. He has some physical ability and was worth the hail mary try. But whatever talent was in there as a passer (I mean...we saw he has the physical talent to sling it at tOSU) isn't gonna show in the pros.
I watched the first half last night, saw that he had 26 yards going into the break and did something else for the rest of the evening. Just can't sit through that.
Not sure who you play at this point. The WR crew is awful, especially without #5, so I dont think Tyrod will be able to ruin the tank. So I think you play him just so the team isn't totally humiliating itself on a weekly basis. Then maybe you give Cook a couple of games late just to see.
I watched the first half last night, saw that he had 26 yards going into the break and did something else for the rest of the evening. Just can't sit through that.
Not sure who you play at this point. The WR crew is awful, especially without #5, so I dont think Tyrod will be able to ruin the tank. So I think you play him just so the team isn't totally humiliating itself on a weekly basis. Then maybe you give Cook a couple of games late just to see.
Deepster
Footballguy
Let's table the Wilson injury for this discussion.
Last night, 9 games in, they had an offense of Justin Fields, Hall, John Metchie, AD Mitchell and Isiah Williams. Metchie, Mitchell and Williams had a combined 17 catches on the season going into that game. The roster construction is abysmal. What are we looking at if there are a couple more injuries? Me at WR?
Last night, 9 games in, they had an offense of Justin Fields, Hall, John Metchie, AD Mitchell and Isiah Williams. Metchie, Mitchell and Williams had a combined 17 catches on the season going into that game. The roster construction is abysmal. What are we looking at if there are a couple more injuries? Me at WR?
I still think my prediction was darn close. I had Adrian Martinez taking over and I repeatedly said how he brings order. The Jets really need that now in my opinion.
The Titans benched Levis and brought in Rudolph and suddenly there was order- so instantaneous like a switch. From my POV, that's coachable. Now ya got something to work with at least.
The Jets- and so many teams over the years with bad QB play- just look like chaos out there. What can the staff even do?
I'm thinking yeah you're not finding out a thing on Metchie or AD or helping the TEs development. Initially, maybe they can evaluate the OL but when the QB takes a lifetime or runs around all weird, is that really a reasonable time to evaluate the OL?
Why don't the Jets put Cook in and evaluate him? Maybe he'll stink and be like Rattler and many rookies where he shows enough to think they should put the time in developing him. Maybe he's good and next year's draft plan can be tweaked or maybe they've got a trade piece in him.
Forever obsessed with LaFleur instilling an offense in one week for Malik Willis and Malik doing well. Announcers pointing out they used an entirely different blocking scheme but most of the OL and Willis ran such a scheme in college so it was a fairly smooth transition. Why can't the Jets just do that? Or the Colts with Arich a year ago? It looked very simple. Malik is going to roll to one side and chuck it if receivers are open or run if they're not. His athleticism supersedes the defense knowing it's coming. Fields and ARich are also freakishly athletic. I think Fields is darn good at ad-libbing if the situation is "just right" for him to do so.
So I've got all this change- lots of change ideas- and I'm always wrong. Why do teams look at garbage and stick with it? I can never understand that.
The Titans benched Levis and brought in Rudolph and suddenly there was order- so instantaneous like a switch. From my POV, that's coachable. Now ya got something to work with at least.
The Jets- and so many teams over the years with bad QB play- just look like chaos out there. What can the staff even do?
I'm thinking yeah you're not finding out a thing on Metchie or AD or helping the TEs development. Initially, maybe they can evaluate the OL but when the QB takes a lifetime or runs around all weird, is that really a reasonable time to evaluate the OL?
Why don't the Jets put Cook in and evaluate him? Maybe he'll stink and be like Rattler and many rookies where he shows enough to think they should put the time in developing him. Maybe he's good and next year's draft plan can be tweaked or maybe they've got a trade piece in him.
Forever obsessed with LaFleur instilling an offense in one week for Malik Willis and Malik doing well. Announcers pointing out they used an entirely different blocking scheme but most of the OL and Willis ran such a scheme in college so it was a fairly smooth transition. Why can't the Jets just do that? Or the Colts with Arich a year ago? It looked very simple. Malik is going to roll to one side and chuck it if receivers are open or run if they're not. His athleticism supersedes the defense knowing it's coming. Fields and ARich are also freakishly athletic. I think Fields is darn good at ad-libbing if the situation is "just right" for him to do so.
So I've got all this change- lots of change ideas- and I'm always wrong. Why do teams look at garbage and stick with it? I can never understand that.
So Diggs gets body slammed by Brownlee. Do y'all care?
There were some penalties late in games that bugged me but for the most part, I simply didn't care. He was either aggressive and I tolerate it in the fan manner or a play like that that almost exemplifies my feelings watching the game. For me it was always, yeah it's not right but that isn't my concern whatsoever.
Cimini had Brownlee saying something like the players played bad and didn't communicate well or execute as they're supposed to. It's on them, not the staff. He wasn't a leader per se with the Titans and isn't the most eloquent guy either. Are you good with this?
There were some penalties late in games that bugged me but for the most part, I simply didn't care. He was either aggressive and I tolerate it in the fan manner or a play like that that almost exemplifies my feelings watching the game. For me it was always, yeah it's not right but that isn't my concern whatsoever.
Cimini had Brownlee saying something like the players played bad and didn't communicate well or execute as they're supposed to. It's on them, not the staff. He wasn't a leader per se with the Titans and isn't the most eloquent guy either. Are you good with this?
Kiddnets
Footballguy
Not an awful tank loss
Defense held their own without Sauce and Q - its clear the offense needs a complete overhaul but the OL is sound and Breece should be extended.
Fields was bad again but i counted more than a few drops that would have made his stats much more respectable. Hes a fine tank QB - I dont see them replacing him until the end. Woody is eating money for Rodgers and they are begging Fields to improve to at least be a bridge/back up next year but its clearly over - sunk cost
Though coaching was decent - as for Brownlee - dumb penalty and not his best - heard they were playing him a lot out of position. As for the chirping- AG doesnt deal with that so id be shocked if it continues.
Only thing that made me upset is how the Pats have somehow rebuilt already from the Brady dynasty so now have both Buff and NE stacked the next 10 yrs.
Defense held their own without Sauce and Q - its clear the offense needs a complete overhaul but the OL is sound and Breece should be extended.
Fields was bad again but i counted more than a few drops that would have made his stats much more respectable. Hes a fine tank QB - I dont see them replacing him until the end. Woody is eating money for Rodgers and they are begging Fields to improve to at least be a bridge/back up next year but its clearly over - sunk cost
Though coaching was decent - as for Brownlee - dumb penalty and not his best - heard they were playing him a lot out of position. As for the chirping- AG doesnt deal with that so id be shocked if it continues.
Only thing that made me upset is how the Pats have somehow rebuilt already from the Brady dynasty so now have both Buff and NE stacked the next 10 yrs.
rockaction
Footballguy
Ownership
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Both posts, one with a few more words but both are excellent!
Crash Davis
Footballguy
Rebuilding in the NFL is getting the coach and QB right. Everything else will fall into place around that. Obviously having a terrible owner makes it hard to get/keep a good GM/coach which makes it impossible to find the QB.
rockaction
Footballguy
hear, hear!
TLEF316
Footballguy
Sadly, Fields is probably going to be back at least as the backup. His contract is terribly structured and even as a post-June 1 Cut next year he's 13M in dead money. Rodgers is already gonna count for THIRTY FIVE FREAKING million next year so I just cant imagine they cut Fields too.
zamboni
Footballguy
It would indeed be a big cap hit to cut Fields, but not sure they’d want to keep him around and the cap situation should be decent. But as we all know with Woody, rationality goes out the window.
Kiddnets
Footballguy
Hes owed $23M on the cap next year but only $10M guaranteed. He may be open to a renegotiation as no one will pay him close to that next year - kind of like Lazard this year. Worst case they can cut him with post 6/1 designation so it would only be $10M hit next 2 yrs and they have $100M next yr and $200M in 2027 so they can easily absorb it.
Be forewarned there's some curses and I don't generally post as such but we're all grownups and there's four minutes of Fields discussion here that's relevant and similar to what some of us have been saying too.
rockaction
Footballguy
Inspired by Frankman, this is Nathan Jahnke of PFF writing about the Jets’ receivers:
New York completely reworks its wide receiver rotation: The Jets' top two wide receivers are on injured reserve, and the team recently traded for two receivers.
The Jets' top two wide receivers this season are Garrett Wilson and Josh Reynolds, but both players are on injured reserve. They are both eligible to return before the end of the season, but there is a chance neither returns this season, given the Jets’ record and the risk and reward of returning. Fourth-round rookie Arian Smith has played the second-most snaps among Jets receivers this season, but he only has six receptions for 47 yards. Veterans Tyler Johnson and Allen Lazard have both moved up and down the depth chart multiple times this season, sometimes being a starter, a healthy inactive, or anywhere in between.
New York recently traded for John Metchie III and Adonai Mitchell. Metchie started his career with the Houston Texans, was traded to the Philadelphia Eagles before the season, but played very little time because he was too far down the Eagles' depth chart. Mitchell started his career with the Indianapolis Colts, but in his only start this season, he let go of the ball before the end zone, leading to a turnover instead of a touchdown. He also had a penalty that cost the team a long touchdown. Metchie was eased into action last week, while Mitchell was inactive.
This week, Mitchell and Lazard were both active after not playing last week, giving the team six wide receivers, which has been unusual. Metchie worked his way to the top of the Jets' depth chart, playing the clear majority of the snaps in both two- and three-receiver sets. His alignment distribution was similar to Wilson's. Isaiah Williams was recently signed off the practice squad, and he became the Jets' third wide receiver in three-receiver sets, often lining up in the slot. He has surpassed Smith on the depth chart, largely taking his role. Johnson and Mitchell rotated as the Jets’ X receiver. Johnson played more in run situations, and Mitchell played more in pass situations. They are taking Reynolds' spot.
Mitchell was the Jets‘ clear top target. Historically, he's had an impressive average depth of target, and Fields has a history of throwing deep passes, but New York didn’t have a clear deep target during the first half of the season. Unfortunately, multiple of Mitchell’s targets were dropped passes. Mitchell and Metchie are both worth considering off the waiver wire, as they have the most potential in the wide receiver room. The Jets have a solid schedule for wide receivers over the rest of the season, so both are worth waiver-wire pickups in deeper leagues. - Jahnke, PFF
New York completely reworks its wide receiver rotation: The Jets' top two wide receivers are on injured reserve, and the team recently traded for two receivers.
The Jets' top two wide receivers this season are Garrett Wilson and Josh Reynolds, but both players are on injured reserve. They are both eligible to return before the end of the season, but there is a chance neither returns this season, given the Jets’ record and the risk and reward of returning. Fourth-round rookie Arian Smith has played the second-most snaps among Jets receivers this season, but he only has six receptions for 47 yards. Veterans Tyler Johnson and Allen Lazard have both moved up and down the depth chart multiple times this season, sometimes being a starter, a healthy inactive, or anywhere in between.
New York recently traded for John Metchie III and Adonai Mitchell. Metchie started his career with the Houston Texans, was traded to the Philadelphia Eagles before the season, but played very little time because he was too far down the Eagles' depth chart. Mitchell started his career with the Indianapolis Colts, but in his only start this season, he let go of the ball before the end zone, leading to a turnover instead of a touchdown. He also had a penalty that cost the team a long touchdown. Metchie was eased into action last week, while Mitchell was inactive.
This week, Mitchell and Lazard were both active after not playing last week, giving the team six wide receivers, which has been unusual. Metchie worked his way to the top of the Jets' depth chart, playing the clear majority of the snaps in both two- and three-receiver sets. His alignment distribution was similar to Wilson's. Isaiah Williams was recently signed off the practice squad, and he became the Jets' third wide receiver in three-receiver sets, often lining up in the slot. He has surpassed Smith on the depth chart, largely taking his role. Johnson and Mitchell rotated as the Jets’ X receiver. Johnson played more in run situations, and Mitchell played more in pass situations. They are taking Reynolds' spot.
Mitchell was the Jets‘ clear top target. Historically, he's had an impressive average depth of target, and Fields has a history of throwing deep passes, but New York didn’t have a clear deep target during the first half of the season. Unfortunately, multiple of Mitchell’s targets were dropped passes. Mitchell and Metchie are both worth considering off the waiver wire, as they have the most potential in the wide receiver room. The Jets have a solid schedule for wide receivers over the rest of the season, so both are worth waiver-wire pickups in deeper leagues. - Jahnke, PFF
rockaction
Footballguy
Crash Davis
Footballguy
Still there for me and it's far from obscene. Just a few curses here and there taking about Fields. I follow Will Parkinson, I like him.
rockaction
Footballguy
Ah, could be my browser settings. It said what I was trying to view wasn’t there.
Deepster
Footballguy
I'll kick this around for discussion.
So, say you start Cook the rest of the way and he actually looks average-to-slightly above average. Say they end up with 5 wins total and his numbers are pretty solid (compare him to maybe a Tannehill/Dalton (when they were decent)).
You still have Fields signed for next year. I guess you could cut him and take the financial loss.
Taylor is also signed, so I guess he's a backup to whoever starts.
You're not banking this rebuild on Brady Cook. At best, could you spend all your 2026 picks on surrounding talent, plug him in next season and draft your franchise guy in 2027?
I guess I just don't see the upside in throwing him in there.
Chemical X
Footballguy
jets catch a break next week, LV plays Cleve and NO vs Atl. all i have is draft position ahead of me.
Chemical X
Footballguy
as an fyi, my new pet peeve is talking about the jets and the rebuilding process. there was nothing built for the last 15 years or so, so nothing to rebuild technically. let’s just call it a build to actually join the league and maybe be competitive some weeks.
Kiddnets
Footballguy
I like having the 2 new WRs for the stretch. They are essentially competing to be 3/4 WR behind GW and whoever they draft and bring in. Thats quality depth for once on cheap contract. Metchie looked decent and while Mitchell had hands of stone in game 1 I'll chalk that up to nerves and some Fields lousy throw magic. He had good separation so hopefully he can get start showing some flashes
Kiddnets
Footballguy
No one thinks Cook is the answer - I guess if they are truly done with Fields it cant hurt to give the kid an audition - along with a side of tank - down the stretch. We all know what Tyrod can do and with his age/ability he wont be here next year. Cook in theory could be a 3rd developmental QB so a little more value than Tyrod
zamboni
Footballguy
Exactly - not an audition for Cook to be the starter, but to see if he’s worth putting into the #2 role next year.
As for Fields, who was just benched again a few minutes ago, does team brass really want him around next year as the expensive backup if they’ve already lost confidence in him.
Kiddnets
Footballguy
He's toast IMO and will be released as likely post june 1 cut to spread out the cap hit - They'll be paying 2 QBs not on their roster $45M next year.....good thing they have a ton of cap
rockaction
Footballguy
Adrian Martinez was waived by SF this wknd. Let’s keep them noses to the grindstone, fellas. There’s a QBer in Santa Clara just waiting.
Crash Davis
Footballguy
The change needed to be made so I'm glad Glenn made it even if it might be a week too late. Let's hope Taylor can stay healthy for at least a few games.