Interesting proposition (1 Viewer)

[[scooter]]

There are 3 teams tied for the final 2 playoffs spots:

Team A -- 6-6, 1200 total points

Team B (me) -- 6-6, 1150 points

Team C -- 6-6, 900 points

Teams B & C play each other this week. Winner is in. Loser must hope that Team A loses AND he must finish with more total points than Team A. (Tiebreaker is total points)

Anyway, Team C has made a proposition to me: he suggested that we both fill out an empty lineup, giving us a tie. I would be guaranteed a playoff spot. He would make the playoffs as long as Team A loses.

His logic: the chances of Team A losing this week (against the best team in the league) are greater than the chances of him beating me.

Should I accept this offer? Seems like a no-brainer for me (guaranteed playoff spot), aside from the unsportsmanlikeness of it all.

 

[loose circuits]

quite possibly the dumbest idea I have ever seen

 

[maxwjom0]

There are 3 teams tied for the final 2 playoffs spots:Team A -- 6-6, 1200 total pointsTeam B (me) -- 6-6, 1150 pointsTeam C -- 6-6, 900 pointsTeams B & C play each other this week. Winner is in. Loser must hope that Team A loses AND he must finish with more total points than Team A. (Tiebreaker is total points)Anyway, Team C has made a proposition to me: he suggested that we both fill out an empty lineup, giving us a tie. I would be guaranteed a playoff spot. He would make the playoffs as long as Team A loses.His logic: the chances of Team A losing this week (against the best team in the league) are greater than the chances of him beating me.Should I accept this offer? Seems like a no-brainer for me (guaranteed playoff spot), aside from the unsportsmanlikeness of it all.

Wow. I love the collusion and the desire to cheat. lol. As tempting as what your opponent is suggesting I think the potential ill feelings from your league is greater than the reward you may gain. Bottom line, its fun to consider but I wouldn't do it if you want to be in that league next year.

 

[Ozymandias]

If you even have to ask, your ethics are questionable.

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

If the goal is making the playoffs, guaranteeing a playoff spot is what you're supposed to do. But you should expect much crying and whining by those who believe it's your job to keep them in contention because they couldn't do it themselves.

Unfortunately, sometimes the "spirit of the rules" is really fantasy football welfare, where other teams need you to win to increase their own playoff chances. They don't care about you or your team. They care about themselves. I guess it depends on whether you want to help others or make the playoffs or if you think you'll make it by playing.

By the way, your league should have some kind of tie-breaker (highest scoring bench player, whatever) to prevent this.

 

[CBower4545]

Until 1 minute before the lineup deadline when he decides he would rather be sure he makes it by submitting a lineup. Then what are you going to say? Commish he promised!

 

[qazqaz11]

If I was in your league and you 2 morons pulled off this stunt I would demand that the commish throw both of you out of the playoffs and out of the league. It is plain and simple collusion. If the commish allowed you to get away with this, I would be looking for a new league next year.

 

[Redhot Poker]

I sort of look at fantasty football as managing a real NFL team. Would two NFL GMs agree in advance to play to a tie in the last game of their season in order to assure playoff spots? Of couse not.

If I were your commissioner I'd consider your actions (no players activiated for the week) as a double forfeit and give you both a loss.

 

[-baller]

I think it's hilarious, but pretty much the definition of collusion, which is normally frowned upon.

would you want two other teams ganging up on you?

also, as has already been mentioned --- what's to stop him from sticking a few players in at the last minute to screw you?

 

[MCguidance]

Do it and let us know what happens.

 

[[scooter]]

If I was in your league and you 2 morons pulled off this stunt I would demand that the commish throw both of you out of the playoffs and out of the league. It is plain and simple collusion. If the commish allowed you to get away with this, I would be looking for a new league next year.

How is it "collusion"? We're not tanking. It's not a secret agreement. It's not a one-sided deal. It's not a violation of the rules.It's a mutually-beneficial agreement.

 

[qazqaz11]

If I was in your league and you 2 morons pulled off this stunt I would demand that the commish throw both of you out of the playoffs and out of the league. It is plain and simple collusion. If the commish allowed you to get away with this, I would be looking for a new league next year.

How is it "collusion"? We're not tanking. It's not a secret agreement. It's not a one-sided deal. It's not a violation of the rules.It's a mutually-beneficial agreement.

In the leagues that I play in, failure to submit a full atarting lineup results in a loss and zero pts . If both of you do it then both of you get a loss and zero pt.

 

[-baller]

well, I must not know what collusion is, then --- my mistake.

so, the rest of your league knows about this plan?

what have they said?

 

[lion_crazz]

How is it NOT collusion?

You are both tanking for the week.

You are both making a secret agreement against team A. What are you going to tell team A? Oh crap, we both were together and forgot about our line-ups!

 

[Angrymutt]

There are 3 teams tied for the final 2 playoffs spots:Team A -- 6-6, 1200 total pointsTeam B (me) -- 6-6, 1150 pointsTeam C -- 6-6, 900 pointsTeams B & C play each other this week. Winner is in. Loser must hope that Team A loses AND he must finish with more total points than Team A. (Tiebreaker is total points)Anyway, Team C has made a proposition to me: he suggested that we both fill out an empty lineup, giving us a tie. I would be guaranteed a playoff spot. He would make the playoffs as long as Team A loses.His logic: the chances of Team A losing this week (against the best team in the league) are greater than the chances of him beating me.Should I accept this offer? Seems like a no-brainer for me (guaranteed playoff spot), aside from the unsportsmanlikeness of it all.

you must feel guilty (and know better) or you wouldn't be asking. If you can't beat your opponent with the team you got, then take your lumps and draft/manage a better team next year. Just play it straight.

 

[Abstract]

If I was in your league and you 2 morons pulled off this stunt I would demand that the commish throw both of you out of the playoffs and out of the league. It is plain and simple collusion. If the commish allowed you to get away with this, I would be looking for a new league next year.

How is it "collusion"? We're not tanking. It's not a secret agreement. It's not a one-sided deal. It's not a violation of the rules.It's a mutually-beneficial agreement.

Wow, you just don't get it, bro. It's collusion....

 

[[scooter]]

How is it NOT collusion? You are both tanking for the week. You are both making a secret agreement against team A. What are you going to tell team A? Oh crap, we both were together and forgot about our line-ups!

We would announce our intentions to the league before Thursday. There would be no secret.

 

[lion_crazz]

Okay, sincerely, thank you for answering my question. Discussion continued:

Do you care about how your league mates take this announcement?

What means more to you - your membership in this league or the potential championship money?

 

[Diamond One]

If you even have to ask, your ethics are questionable.

 

[maxwjom0]

Straight from the dictionary.

Collusion –noun

1. a secret agreement, esp. for fraudulent or treacherous purposes; conspiracy: Some of his employees were acting in collusion to rob him.

2. Law. a secret understanding between two or more persons to gain something illegally, to defraud another of his or her rights, or to appear as adversaries though in agreement: collusion of husband and wife to obtain a divorce.

 

[lord_helmet]

Its people like you that are killing the fun of this game, hopefully karma will get you.

 

[Bill S]

There are 3 teams tied for the final 2 playoffs spots:Team A -- 6-6, 1200 total pointsTeam B (me) -- 6-6, 1150 pointsTeam C -- 6-6, 900 pointsTeams B & C play each other this week. Winner is in. Loser must hope that Team A loses AND he must finish with more total points than Team A. (Tiebreaker is total points)Anyway, Team C has made a proposition to me: he suggested that we both fill out an empty lineup, giving us a tie. I would be guaranteed a playoff spot. He would make the playoffs as long as Team A loses.His logic: the chances of Team A losing this week (against the best team in the league) are greater than the chances of him beating me.Should I accept this offer? Seems like a no-brainer for me (guaranteed playoff spot), aside from the unsportsmanlikeness of it all.

That is deplorable. Both of you would be booted from both the playoffs and the league.

 

[Bill S]

If I was in your league and you 2 morons pulled off this stunt I would demand that the commish throw both of you out of the playoffs and out of the league. It is plain and simple collusion. If the commish allowed you to get away with this, I would be looking for a new league next year.

How is it "collusion"? We're not tanking. It's not a secret agreement. It's not a one-sided deal. It's not a violation of the rules.It's a mutually-beneficial agreement.

Wow, you just don't get it, bro. It's collusion....

hahahaha. Wow. That is so noble of you. Let us know how your league mates react.

 

[Avery]

Unrelated story.

I used to play in this league where this jackass used to try to circumvent every rule we had. It was clear that what he was trying to do was not within the "spirit" of the rules but he would always use the excuse that there was not a specific rule against it. It was as if he got some pleasure out of finding a way around things rather then succeeding or failing on equal ground with everybody else. He became so insufferable that the commish who founded the league quit the league citing dealing with this P.I.T.A. as the sole reason for him leaving.

Pretty soon most of the rest of us quit the league because it just wasn't fun anymore.

Anyway, sorry to go off on a tangent there...

You were saying you found a loophole in the rules?

 

[thatguy]

It's not cheating... because it's your dog. It's YOUR dog.

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

Unrelated story.I used to play in this league where this jackass used to try to circumvent every rule we had. It was clear that what he was trying to do was not within the "spirit" of the rules but he would always use the excuse that there was not a specific rule against it. It was as if he got some pleasure out of finding a way around things rather then succeeding or failing on equal ground with everybody else. He became so insufferable that the commish who founded the league quit the league citing dealing with this P.I.T.A. as the sole reason for him leaving.Pretty soon most of the rest of us quit the league because it just wasn't fun anymore. Anyway, sorry to go off on a tangent there...You were saying you found a loophole in the rules?

After reading this, I'll amend my response to the OP. I feel like you should do what it takes to win, but you don't need to become a rules lawyer or a headache to the league. That's not right. I still don't buy the "it's not fair to team A who needs some charity to make the playoffs and you have to give it to him" argument but it's bad for the league to do something toolish that everyone will hate.

 

[King of the Wolfies]

I would kick both of you out of the league ASAP.

 

[Islanders rule]

I would tell your mother what an enlarging rectal opening you were. Maybe she could pick your team next year so your not in this (rectal) position again!!!!

 

[Bluesbomber]

You two are conspiring to lessen the odds against a superior team as proven by his total points lead.

Tell Butthead to put in his best and take it like a man whoever loses.

Or man up and tell them Wed so they can see what you are up to and whoever he plays can agree to take a tie as well so he is also guranteed a spot.

And while you are at it the whole league can take ties and you guys can go shopping or something and not even watch any football this weekend.

Good grief man I can't believe you brought this to the Shark Pool.

Edit to make a little less toolish.

 

[Dirty Weasel]

There are 3 teams tied for the final 2 playoffs spots:Team A -- 6-6, 1200 total pointsTeam B (me) -- 6-6, 1150 pointsTeam C -- 6-6, 900 pointsTeams B & C play each other this week. Winner is in. Loser must hope that Team A loses AND he must finish with more total points than Team A. (Tiebreaker is total points)Anyway, Team C has made a proposition to me: he suggested that we both fill out an empty lineup, giving us a tie. I would be guaranteed a playoff spot. He would make the playoffs as long as Team A loses.His logic: the chances of Team A losing this week (against the best team in the league) are greater than the chances of him beating me.Should I accept this offer? Seems like a no-brainer for me (guaranteed playoff spot), aside from the unsportsmanlikeness of it all.

The OP never said this was a dynasty/keeper league.If this is a redraft league with strangers, you bet I'd give Team C my word, then submit my best possible lineup just before the deadline. OP said this was Team C's idea, not his. That means Team C is shady, and will very likely submit his roster at the deadline. Also, if I were Team B, I would tell Team C to keep this secret instead of telling the league (but do it in person or on the phone, so as not to leave an e-mail trail). If by some miracle he actually didn't submit a lineup, he would have to approach the league and say you swindled him. Then you simply deny it, and say you have more morals than that. And don't forget to act shocked that he'd even accuse you of such a thing. If this is a redraft league with friends, or a dynasty/keeper with friends or strangers, just tell him no. Obviously, your team is better than his, so you will probably win. And Team A will lose and still make the playoffs, as he rightfully should. Seeing how close you are to Team A's total pts, you may even lose and still make the playoffs. The only team that is sure not to make the playoffs with a loss is Team C.

 

[FUBAR]

If I was in your league and you 2 morons pulled off this stunt I would demand that the commish throw both of you out of the playoffs and out of the league. It is plain and simple collusion. If the commish allowed you to get away with this, I would be looking for a new league next year.

How is it "collusion"? We're not tanking. It's not a secret agreement. It's not a one-sided deal. It's not a violation of the rules.It's a mutually-beneficial agreement.

Thanks for the clarification, I must have clicked on a different thread. The one I thought I was in stated:

Interesting proposition, Should I tank to get into the playoffs?

rep⋅u⋅ta⋅tion

   /ˌrɛpyəˈteɪʃən/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [rep-yuh-tey-shuhn] Show IPA Pronunciation

–noun

1. the estimation in which a person or thing is held, esp. by the community or the public generally; repute: a man of good reputation.

2. favorable repute; good name: to ruin one's reputation by misconduct.

3. a favorable and publicly recognized name or standing for merit, achievement, reliability, etc.: to build up a reputation.

4. the estimation or name of being, having, having done, etc., something specified: He has the reputation of being a shrewd businessman.

 

[Dirty Weasel]

If I was in your league and you 2 morons pulled off this stunt I would demand that the commish throw both of you out of the playoffs and out of the league. It is plain and simple collusion. If the commish allowed you to get away with this, I would be looking for a new league next year.

How is it "collusion"? We're not tanking. It's not a secret agreement. It's not a one-sided deal. It's not a violation of the rules.It's a mutually-beneficial agreement.

Thanks for the clarification, I must have clicked on a different thread. The one I thought I was in stated:

Interesting proposition, Should I tank to get into the playoffs?

rep⋅u⋅ta⋅tion

   /ˌrɛpyəˈteɪʃən/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [rep-yuh-tey-shuhn] Show IPA Pronunciation

–noun

1. the estimation in which a person or thing is held, esp. by the community or the public generally; repute: a man of good reputation.

2. favorable repute; good name: to ruin one's reputation by misconduct.

3. a favorable and publicly recognized name or standing for merit, achievement, reliability, etc.: to build up a reputation.

4. the estimation or name of being, having, having done, etc., something specified: He has the reputation of being a shrewd businessman.

I want clarification on what type of league this is.

 

[Marvin88]

If I was in your league and you 2 morons pulled off this stunt I would demand that the commish throw both of you out of the playoffs and out of the league. It is plain and simple collusion. If the commish allowed you to get away with this, I would be looking for a new league next year.

How is it "collusion"? We're not tanking. It's not a secret agreement. It's not a one-sided deal. It's not a violation of the rules.It's a mutually-beneficial agreement.

Price fixing is a mutual agreement, too! Me thinks someone does not understand what collusion is!

 

[Marvin88]

How is it NOT collusion? You are both tanking for the week. You are both making a secret agreement against team A. What are you going to tell team A? Oh crap, we both were together and forgot about our line-ups!

We would announce our intentions to the league before Thursday. There would be no secret.

Can I watch?

 

[Marvin88]

If I was in your league and you 2 morons pulled off this stunt I would demand that the commish throw both of you out of the playoffs and out of the league. It is plain and simple collusion. If the commish allowed you to get away with this, I would be looking for a new league next year.

How is it "collusion"? We're not tanking. It's not a secret agreement. It's not a one-sided deal. It's not a violation of the rules.It's a mutually-beneficial agreement.

Thanks for the clarification, I must have clicked on a different thread. The one I thought I was in stated:

Interesting proposition, Should I tank to get into the playoffs?

rep⋅u⋅ta⋅tion

   /ˌrɛpyəˈteɪʃən/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [rep-yuh-tey-shuhn] Show IPA Pronunciation

–noun

1. the estimation in which a person or thing is held, esp. by the community or the public generally; repute: a man of good reputation.

2. favorable repute; good name: to ruin one's reputation by misconduct.

3. a favorable and publicly recognized name or standing for merit, achievement, reliability, etc.: to build up a reputation.

4. the estimation or name of being, having, having done, etc., something specified: He has the reputation of being a shrewd businessman.

I want clarification on what type of league this is.

Bush league!

 

[Dirty Weasel]

If I was in your league and you 2 morons pulled off this stunt I would demand that the commish throw both of you out of the playoffs and out of the league. It is plain and simple collusion. If the commish allowed you to get away with this, I would be looking for a new league next year.

How is it "collusion"? We're not tanking. It's not a secret agreement. It's not a one-sided deal. It's not a violation of the rules.It's a mutually-beneficial agreement.

Thanks for the clarification, I must have clicked on a different thread. The one I thought I was in stated:

Interesting proposition, Should I tank to get into the playoffs?

rep⋅u⋅ta⋅tion

   /ˌrɛpyəˈteɪʃən/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [rep-yuh-tey-shuhn] Show IPA Pronunciation

–noun

1. the estimation in which a person or thing is held, esp. by the community or the public generally; repute: a man of good reputation.

2. favorable repute; good name: to ruin one's reputation by misconduct.

3. a favorable and publicly recognized name or standing for merit, achievement, reliability, etc.: to build up a reputation.

4. the estimation or name of being, having, having done, etc., something specified: He has the reputation of being a shrewd businessman.

I want clarification on what type of league this is.

Bush league!

All the more reason to be a dirty weasel

 

[FUBAR]

How is it NOT collusion? You are both tanking for the week. You are both making a secret agreement against team A. What are you going to tell team A? Oh crap, we both were together and forgot about our line-ups!

We would announce our intentions to the league before Thursday. There would be no secret.

Can I watch?

send your leaguemates this

 

[george]

Karma would be you both submit empty lineups, the 3rd team beats the leader to get in, then...you both miss playoffs because your total points suffer to some teams that actually submit lineups. Douchy thing to do.

 

[comfortably numb]

If I was in your league and you 2 morons pulled off this stunt I would demand that the commish throw both of you out of the playoffs and out of the league. It is plain and simple collusion. If the commish allowed you to get away with this, I would be looking for a new league next year.

How is it "collusion"? We're not tanking. It's not a secret agreement. It's not a one-sided deal. It's not a violation of the rules.It's a mutually-beneficial agreement.

UGH, people like you make it hard on commissioners who now have to have their rule book proofread by an attorney to make sure everything is covered.I do feel you guys would be colluding, doing it out in the open doesn't mean it is not collusion.Yes, your tanking, both of you guys are.Your right, it's not a one sided deal, its a 2 sided deal.My rule book doesn't specifically deal with this issue, but19.THROWING GAMES: The act of "throwing games" (losing on purpose by turning in a lineup filled with players that normally would not play) is not tolerated in the RDFF. The Commissioner reserves the right to revert your starting lineup back to a typical lineup for games that are attempted to be thrown and further action may also take place, including removing you from the league. I would consider this "throwing a game", and have the lineups adjusted.I'm all for getting an edge and doing what helps your team to advance, but I wouldn't do it with the possibly ruin the integrity of the whole league

 

[Angry Beavers]

Play it straight and let the chips falls where they may

 

[Mr. Know-It-All]

So Team A is likely to lose dropping him to 6-7...but he has a 50 point lead on you and a 300 point lead on Team C.

If you guys go ahead with your collusion, both of you will be 6-6-1 and Team A is out of the playoffs.

What sense does this make to you (aside from the fact it is ethically wrong)? Submit your best lineup and even if you lose you just need to make up the 50 points on Team A and you are in.

If Team C is so worried about losing to you that should tell you that you really don't need to worry anyway. It seems the only one that REALLY benefits is Team C and only then if Team A loses.

This would probably get you kicked out of the leagues that I am in.

 

[Nate]

UGH, people like you make it hard on commissioners who now have to have their rule book proofread by an attorney to make sure everything is covered.

That said, please do it and report back.Also, look up the English definition of collusion.FWIW, I'd kick both owners out of my league if they did what you're talking about.

 

[swirvenirvin]

quite possibly the dumbest idea I have ever seen

A yep

 

[TommyGilmore]

I would kick both of you out of the league ASAP.

If they're not breaking the rules, how could you justify this? Kicking them out would be 10x worse than allowing them to take a zero.It's their teams and they can submit whatever lineup they want. If you don't like it, then CHANGE THE RULES. Making up the rules as you go is no way to run a league.

 

[TommyGilmore]

Straight from the dictionary. Collusion –noun 1. a secret agreement, esp. for fraudulent or treacherous purposes; conspiracy: Some of his employees were acting in collusion to rob him. 2. Law. a secret understanding between two or more persons to gain something illegally, to defraud another of his or her rights, or to appear as adversaries though in agreement: collusion of husband and wife to obtain a divorce.

OP has already stated that the plan would not be secret. Therefore, collusion is not possible. Right?

 

[Bill S]

I would kick both of you out of the league ASAP.

If they're not breaking the rules, how could you justify this? Kicking them out would be 10x worse than allowing them to take a zero.It's their teams and they can submit whatever lineup they want. If you don't like it, then CHANGE THE RULES. Making up the rules as you go is no way to run a league.

I feel like this sort of behavior warrants an immediate rule change. Like other have said before, no one has the time to sit there for hours pondering what dumb things fantasy players might try to pull.We had a guy in my league who started to tank every game so that he could have the number 1 draft pick. We were all pissed because it was ruining a lot of enjoyment for us and we instituted a cosolation brackett mid-season to determine the 1st 2 picks in the draft. Now, I know that a general rule of thumb is to never, ever change the rules mid-season. However, this was discussed by all league members and was agreed upon.IMO, the top two rules for a fantasy league are that they must be fun and fair. This league mates action were unfair and thus taking some fun out of our league.

 

[FUBAR]

Straight from the dictionary. Collusion –noun 1. a secret agreement, esp. for fraudulent or treacherous purposes; conspiracy: Some of his employees were acting in collusion to rob him. 2. Law. a secret understanding between two or more persons to gain something illegally, to defraud another of his or her rights, or to appear as adversaries though in agreement: collusion of husband and wife to obtain a divorce.

OP has already stated that the plan would not be secret. Therefore, collusion is not possible. Right?

The other owners in my league were so upset when I announced I was trading Adrian Peterson to my buddy for a 5th round rookie pick in my dynasty league. They said they believe in open trading and we even announced it before hand. What a bunch of whiners.

 

[lord_helmet]

Straight from the dictionary. Collusion –noun 1. a secret agreement, esp. for fraudulent or treacherous purposes; conspiracy: Some of his employees were acting in collusion to rob him. 2. Law. a secret understanding between two or more persons to gain something illegally, to defraud another of his or her rights, or to appear as adversaries though in agreement: collusion of husband and wife to obtain a divorce.

OP has already stated that the plan would not be secret. Therefore, collusion is not possible. Right?

Are you for real ? nah don't think so.

 

[MN Taco]

I would kick both of you out of the league ASAP.

If they're not breaking the rules, how could you justify this? Kicking them out would be 10x worse than allowing them to take a zero.It's their teams and they can submit whatever lineup they want. If you don't like it, then CHANGE THE RULES. Making up the rules as you go is no way to run a league.

Then every league should have an overarching rule that gives the commissioner the right to toss any moron on the spot who does something that is so clearly in violation of the spirit of the game. That being said, I kind of hope he does it just to hear about the reaction...

 

[Road Warriors]

If I was in your league and you 2 morons pulled off this stunt I would demand that the commish throw both of you out of the playoffs and out of the league. It is plain and simple collusion. If the commish allowed you to get away with this, I would be looking for a new league next year.

How is it "collusion"? We're not tanking. It's not a secret agreement. It's not a one-sided deal. It's not a violation of the rules.It's a mutually-beneficial agreement.

Its not a secret agreement? Did you publicize this to the league that you are both going to tank? What was the response?