iPad (2 Viewers)

[NewlyRetired]

iPad 4 is coming in two years. Now THAT one will be awesome.

what makes you think 2 years?Hasn't the release schedule so far been every 12 months or so?I am only asking because I am debating whether to wait for the Ipad4 or upgrade my ipad 2 now. If the ipad 4 was really 2 years out, that might change my thoughts.

http://buyersguide.macrumors.com/

I can't find it in that linked. I looked through the IPAD rumor section but must have missed it.

 

[Mario Kart]

iPad 4 is coming in two years. Now THAT one will be awesome.

what makes you think 2 years?Hasn't the release schedule so far been every 12 months or so?I am only asking because I am debating whether to wait for the Ipad4 or upgrade my ipad 2 now. If the ipad 4 was really 2 years out, that might change my thoughts.

http://buyersguide.macrumors.com/

I can't find it in that linked. I looked through the IPAD rumor section but must have missed it.

It's right there in the box. The average turnover of a new iPad the last couple of years is 352 days. Any projection of a couple years would be outrageous. At worse, the new iPad would come out in >400 days. So, next March, save your money for the newest iPad.

 

[NewlyRetired]

iPad 4 is coming in two years. Now THAT one will be awesome.

what makes you think 2 years?Hasn't the release schedule so far been every 12 months or so?I am only asking because I am debating whether to wait for the Ipad4 or upgrade my ipad 2 now. If the ipad 4 was really 2 years out, that might change my thoughts.

http://buyersguide.macrumors.com/

I can't find it in that linked. I looked through the IPAD rumor section but must have missed it.

It's right there in the box. The average turnover of a new iPad the last couple of years is 352 days. Any projection of a couple years would be outrageous. At worse, the new iPad would come out in >400 days. So, next March, save your money for the newest iPad.

I still don't see any predictions for the iPad 4 coming out in 2 years on that site, but I will believe you as I am just missing it.I agree with you that two years seems way too long and that next March-May is more likely.

 

[shader]

I wouldn't upgrade to a 3 if I had a 2.

Most everyone I know with a 2 doesn't see a huge difference. Yeah, it looks a little crisper, but the 2 is fine.

 

[Premier]

I wouldn't upgrade to a 3 if I had a 2.Most everyone I know with a 2 doesn't see a huge difference. Yeah, it looks a little crisper, but the 2 is fine.

I had a couple people I work with tell me the same thing. They got rid of their 2 for a 3 and regretted doing so. Said there's really no noticeable difference. I'm on board waiting for a 4.

 

[Jobber]

Well, my wife had her iPad 3 for less than 24 hours and one of our kids dropped it on our kitchen floor. The screen is CRACKED!!

I really wish I'd have bought a protective case. Ugh. I'm going to lug it into the Apple store at the mall tonight or tomorrow to see if it's fixable.

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF

 

[Mr. Nasty]

Can anyone suggest a good case? My wife is looking for a case...minimal coverage that covers the back as well so it doesn't get scratched, etc. Thanks in advance for any opinions.

 

[Mario Kart]

I still don't see any predictions for the iPad 4 coming out in 2 years on that site, but I will believe you as I am just missing it.I agree with you that two years seems way too long and that next March-May is more likely.

There is no prediction for the iPad 4 on that site or any site. But, any suggestion that he iPad 4 will be out in two years is absurd based on the data in the box. March-May for the 4 is more reasonable.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Can anyone suggest a good case? My wife is looking for a case...minimal coverage that covers the back as well so it doesn't get scratched, etc. Thanks in advance for any opinions.

I'm leaning towards this one: http://www.amazon.com/Snugg-iPad-Case-Generation-Interior/dp/B007BZOGLG/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1332279350&sr=8-3

 

[goonsquad]

I wouldn't upgrade to a 3 if I had a 2.

Most everyone I know with a 2 doesn't see a huge difference. Yeah, it looks a little crisper, but the 2 is fine.

I had a couple people I work with tell me the same thing. They got rid of their 2 for a 3 and regretted doing so. Said there's really no noticeable difference. I'm on board waiting for a 4.

That's just silly. The difference is night and day between the displays. Whether they value that difference enough to pay for it is their opinion, but the difference is huge.

 

[tommyGunZ]

I wouldn't upgrade to a 3 if I had a 2.Most everyone I know with a 2 doesn't see a huge difference. Yeah, it looks a little crisper, but the 2 is fine.

I had a couple people I work with tell me the same thing. They got rid of their 2 for a 3 and regretted doing so. Said there's really no noticeable difference. I'm on board waiting for a 4.

I agree with this. We got the 3 b/c we had the 1 and my two year old has taken it over, so wifeyGunZ needed her own toy. The screen is noticeably better, and the UI is snappier, but I think we'd have waited if we had the 2. I think the general rule is going to be upgrades are worth it every other generation.

 

[cstu]

I still don't see any predictions for the iPad 4 coming out in 2 years on that site, but I will believe you as I am just missing it.I agree with you that two years seems way too long and that next March-May is more likely.

There is no prediction for the iPad 4 on that site or any site. But, any suggestion that he iPad 4 will be out in two years is absurd based on the data in the box. March-May for the 4 is more reasonable.

What else would you iPad fans want out of the next version? A faster processor would be nice but for what a vast majority of users will use the iPad for it seems like the new iPad is all people need. I think it's going to be challenge to get people to upgrade.

 

[CrossEyed]

Can anyone suggest a good case? My wife is looking for a case...minimal coverage that covers the back as well so it doesn't get scratched, etc. Thanks in advance for any opinions.

I'm leaning towards this one: http://www.amazon.com/Snugg-iPad-Case-Generation-Interior/dp/B007BZOGLG/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1332279350&sr=8-3

Me too, although I'd rather be able to see/feel a case before I buy it.

 

[CrossEyed]

Well, since there isn't an iPad 3, there probably will never be an iPad 4.

 

[CrossEyed]

I still don't see any predictions for the iPad 4 coming out in 2 years on that site, but I will believe you as I am just missing it.I agree with you that two years seems way too long and that next March-May is more likely.

There is no prediction for the iPad 4 on that site or any site. But, any suggestion that he iPad 4 will be out in two years is absurd based on the data in the box. March-May for the 4 is more reasonable.

What else would you iPad fans want out of the next version? A faster processor would be nice but for what a vast majority of users will use the iPad for it seems like the new iPad is all people need. I think it's going to be challenge to get people to upgrade.

Kinda the reason I jumped in on this one. Can't see them coming out with anything in the next couple of years that will make me want to upgrade. Faster processor? Yeah, I guess, but how much faster do you really need it to be? It gets to the point that an increase in speed doesn't really give you an appreciable benefit.

 

[RJS113]

Can anyone suggest a good case? My wife is looking for a case...minimal coverage that covers the back as well so it doesn't get scratched, etc. Thanks in advance for any opinions.

I'm leaning towards this one: http://www.amazon.com/Snugg-iPad-Case-Generation-Interior/dp/B007BZOGLG/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1332279350&sr=8-3

Me too, although I'd rather be able to see/feel a case before I buy it.

I bought this case and love it. Fits the IPad like a glove, folds into a stand, and automatically turns sleep mode on/off when you open and close the cover. Even the blue suade case that comes with it it pretty nice. Can't beat it for $28 and free shipping.

 

[Premier]

I wouldn't upgrade to a 3 if I had a 2.

Most everyone I know with a 2 doesn't see a huge difference. Yeah, it looks a little crisper, but the 2 is fine.

I had a couple people I work with tell me the same thing. They got rid of their 2 for a 3 and regretted doing so. Said there's really no noticeable difference. I'm on board waiting for a 4.

That's just silly. The difference is night and day between the displays. Whether they value that difference enough to pay for it is their opinion, but the difference is huge.

I haven't seen it yet, but his exact words were "I'm sure it's there, but I can't notice the difference." Another guy in a completely different conversation said basically the same thing, and then lamented that he didn't wait for the 4.

 

[moderated]

I'm the #1 iPad fan from the initial launch.

The new iPad is great and I love it, but I really can't tell the difference from the iPad 2.

I've seen some videos where they ask random people which is the new iPad and it's basically split on what one they pick.

Maybe my vision isn't good enough to tell the difference.

 

[CrossEyed]

Can anyone suggest a good case? My wife is looking for a case...minimal coverage that covers the back as well so it doesn't get scratched, etc. Thanks in advance for any opinions.

I'm leaning towards this one: http://www.amazon.com/Snugg-iPad-Case-Generation-Interior/dp/B007BZOGLG/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1332279350&sr=8-3

Me too, although I'd rather be able to see/feel a case before I buy it.

I bought this case and love it. Fits the IPad like a glove, folds into a stand, and automatically turns sleep mode on/off when you open and close the cover. Even the blue suade case that comes with it it pretty nice. Can't beat it for $28 and free shipping.

That one looks pretty nice too, but I plan on using Notes Plus a lot, so I'd like to have a case that has a stylus holder. Plus I'm already tired of wiping fingerprints off of this thing.

 

[NewlyRetired]

I still don't see any predictions for the iPad 4 coming out in 2 years on that site, but I will believe you as I am just missing it.I agree with you that two years seems way too long and that next March-May is more likely.

There is no prediction for the iPad 4 on that site or any site. But, any suggestion that he iPad 4 will be out in two years is absurd based on the data in the box. March-May for the 4 is more reasonable.

What else would you iPad fans want out of the next version? A faster processor would be nice but for what a vast majority of users will use the iPad for it seems like the new iPad is all people need. I think it's going to be challenge to get people to upgrade.

Since 1988 people have been asking "why bother with upgrading, this current one is great". Technology moves faster than we can imagine. Anything and everything can, must and will improve, or they will be overtaken by another device. As SW finds more things it wants to do with the unit, the hw will have to upgrade.These are just some basic things off the top of my head. if you search online you could probably find three times as many feature wants in the next ipad.More ramSignificantly faster processorHDMI PortUSB PortBetter cameraEventually a better display and graphics engine (probably not in the ipad 4 though)Full Siri support (this can happen with a new OS on the ipad 3 I believe as well).Memory card slot (this is the least likely since they are making a killing charging people an extra $100 for an extra 16g of space).ThinnerLighter

 

[NewlyRetired]

I'm the #1 iPad fan from the initial launch.The new iPad is great and I love it, but I really can't tell the difference from the iPad 2.I've seen some videos where they ask random people which is the new iPad and it's basically split on what one they pick.Maybe my vision isn't good enough to tell the difference.

this is bugging me.We have people telling us that this display is a game changer and others saying they can barely see a difference.When I hear "game changer" I think of the improvement of color tv from black and white TV, or improvement of HDTV from SDTV. That is the type of leap I expect from a game changer. I am starting to get the feeling that this game changer is more like the improvement of 720p from 480p. It is better but by no means a real game changer.Could it be that only certain apps can really show off the better display? I know only some of the apps have been updated to take advantage of the ipad 3 display.I am going to take my ipad 2 to the store and do a direct comparison with specific apps and see if I can see a dramatic difference.

 

[moderated]

I'm the #1 iPad fan from the initial launch.The new iPad is great and I love it, but I really can't tell the difference from the iPad 2.I've seen some videos where they ask random people which is the new iPad and it's basically split on what one they pick.Maybe my vision isn't good enough to tell the difference.

this is bugging me.We have people telling us that this display is a game changer and others saying they can barely see a difference.When I hear "game changer" I think of the improvement of color tv from black and white TV, or improvement of HDTV from SDTV. That is the type of leap I expect from a game changer. I am starting to get the feeling that this game changer is more like the improvement of 720p from 480p. It is better but by no means a real game changer.Could it be that only certain apps can really show off the better display? I know only some of the apps have been updated to take advantage of the ipad 3 display.I am going to take my ipad 2 to the store and do a direct comparison with specific apps and see if I can see a dramatic difference.

It's the best tablet out there, but anyone acting like it's a "game changer" vs the ipad2 is off base.I love it, but If many people can't tell the difference between the iPad 2 and new iPads screen then I don't see how it's a revolutionary upgrade.

 

[CrossEyed]

I'm the #1 iPad fan from the initial launch.The new iPad is great and I love it, but I really can't tell the difference from the iPad 2.I've seen some videos where they ask random people which is the new iPad and it's basically split on what one they pick.Maybe my vision isn't good enough to tell the difference.

this is bugging me.We have people telling us that this display is a game changer and others saying they can barely see a difference.When I hear "game changer" I think of the improvement of color tv from black and white TV, or improvement of HDTV from SDTV. That is the type of leap I expect from a game changer. I am starting to get the feeling that this game changer is more like the improvement of 720p from 480p. It is better but by no means a real game changer.Could it be that only certain apps can really show off the better display? I know only some of the apps have been updated to take advantage of the ipad 3 display.I am going to take my ipad 2 to the store and do a direct comparison with specific apps and see if I can see a dramatic difference.

It's the best tablet out there, but anyone acting like it's a "game changer" vs the ipad2 is off base.I love it, but If many people can't tell the difference between the iPad 2 and new iPads screen then I don't see how it's a revolutionary upgrade.

The reviews that I've read by people who are familiar with both seem to all rave about the improvement of the new display. I tend to trust these folks' judgment over random office coworker guy.

 

[moderated]

I'm the #1 iPad fan from the initial launch.The new iPad is great and I love it, but I really can't tell the difference from the iPad 2.I've seen some videos where they ask random people which is the new iPad and it's basically split on what one they pick.Maybe my vision isn't good enough to tell the difference.

this is bugging me.We have people telling us that this display is a game changer and others saying they can barely see a difference.When I hear "game changer" I think of the improvement of color tv from black and white TV, or improvement of HDTV from SDTV. That is the type of leap I expect from a game changer. I am starting to get the feeling that this game changer is more like the improvement of 720p from 480p. It is better but by no means a real game changer.Could it be that only certain apps can really show off the better display? I know only some of the apps have been updated to take advantage of the ipad 3 display.I am going to take my ipad 2 to the store and do a direct comparison with specific apps and see if I can see a dramatic difference.

It's the best tablet out there, but anyone acting like it's a "game changer" vs the ipad2 is off base.I love it, but If many people can't tell the difference between the iPad 2 and new iPads screen then I don't see how it's a revolutionary upgrade.

The reviews that I've read by people who are familiar with both seem to all rave about the improvement of the new display. I tend to trust these folks' judgment over random office coworker guy.

Maybe my vision is off or something.I've gotten each new iPad the first day of release and use it everyday for hours. I am an obnoxious apple fan.The new iPad is the best one yet, I just can't see the huge difference in the screen others do.

 

[CrossEyed]

I'm the #1 iPad fan from the initial launch.The new iPad is great and I love it, but I really can't tell the difference from the iPad 2.I've seen some videos where they ask random people which is the new iPad and it's basically split on what one they pick.Maybe my vision isn't good enough to tell the difference.

this is bugging me.We have people telling us that this display is a game changer and others saying they can barely see a difference.When I hear "game changer" I think of the improvement of color tv from black and white TV, or improvement of HDTV from SDTV. That is the type of leap I expect from a game changer. I am starting to get the feeling that this game changer is more like the improvement of 720p from 480p. It is better but by no means a real game changer.Could it be that only certain apps can really show off the better display? I know only some of the apps have been updated to take advantage of the ipad 3 display.I am going to take my ipad 2 to the store and do a direct comparison with specific apps and see if I can see a dramatic difference.

It's the best tablet out there, but anyone acting like it's a "game changer" vs the ipad2 is off base.I love it, but If many people can't tell the difference between the iPad 2 and new iPads screen then I don't see how it's a revolutionary upgrade.

The reviews that I've read by people who are familiar with both seem to all rave about the improvement of the new display. I tend to trust these folks' judgment over random office coworker guy.

Maybe my vision is off or something.I've gotten each new iPad the first day of release and use it everyday for hours. I am an obnoxious apple fan.The new iPad is the best one yet, I just can't see the huge difference in the screen others do.

Just read another review:2. Retina Screen – Apple has been touting the Retina Screen on the new iPad. How good is it? It is amazing. In fact, it is so sharp, that it is subtle. Some of the interfaces are so crisp that your eyes do a double-take. It makes reading a joy. Interestingly, after a while my eyes adjusted. Just as I was starting to doubt the screen, I looked at my iPad 2 and could immediately see the difference. Reading on the iPad 2 was no longer fun after the clarity of the new iPad screen.

 

[One]

I'm the #1 iPad fan from the initial launch.The new iPad is great and I love it, but I really can't tell the difference from the iPad 2.I've seen some videos where they ask random people which is the new iPad and it's basically split on what one they pick.Maybe my vision isn't good enough to tell the difference.

this is bugging me.We have people telling us that this display is a game changer and others saying they can barely see a difference.When I hear "game changer" I think of the improvement of color tv from black and white TV, or improvement of HDTV from SDTV. That is the type of leap I expect from a game changer. I am starting to get the feeling that this game changer is more like the improvement of 720p from 480p. It is better but by no means a real game changer.Could it be that only certain apps can really show off the better display? I know only some of the apps have been updated to take advantage of the ipad 3 display.I am going to take my ipad 2 to the store and do a direct comparison with specific apps and see if I can see a dramatic difference.

It's the best tablet out there, but anyone acting like it's a "game changer" vs the ipad2 is off base.I love it, but If many people can't tell the difference between the iPad 2 and new iPads screen then I don't see how it's a revolutionary upgrade.

The reviews that I've read by people who are familiar with both seem to all rave about the improvement of the new display. I tend to trust these folks' judgment over random office coworker guy.

I used the iPad 2 everyday for browsing and emails, still own it. But the new iPads screen is SO MUCH better, even side by side it's easy to tell. If you didn't know what you're looking for, like asking people off the streets, I can see them not knowing the difference, but for a consistent user, you've got to be blind not to notice the screen upgrade. However, SDTV to HDTV blew my mind, this didn't. Magical, revolutionary and game changer, IMO, only applied to the original iPad and iPhone launches. Everybody and their moms rushed to copy those and get in on that action. Since then, we've only seen evolutionary upgrades from Apple and the rest of the bunch.

 

[NewlyRetired]

I'm the #1 iPad fan from the initial launch.The new iPad is great and I love it, but I really can't tell the difference from the iPad 2.I've seen some videos where they ask random people which is the new iPad and it's basically split on what one they pick.Maybe my vision isn't good enough to tell the difference.

this is bugging me.We have people telling us that this display is a game changer and others saying they can barely see a difference.When I hear "game changer" I think of the improvement of color tv from black and white TV, or improvement of HDTV from SDTV. That is the type of leap I expect from a game changer. I am starting to get the feeling that this game changer is more like the improvement of 720p from 480p. It is better but by no means a real game changer.Could it be that only certain apps can really show off the better display? I know only some of the apps have been updated to take advantage of the ipad 3 display.I am going to take my ipad 2 to the store and do a direct comparison with specific apps and see if I can see a dramatic difference.

It's the best tablet out there, but anyone acting like it's a "game changer" vs the ipad2 is off base.I love it, but If many people can't tell the difference between the iPad 2 and new iPads screen then I don't see how it's a revolutionary upgrade.

The reviews that I've read by people who are familiar with both seem to all rave about the improvement of the new display. I tend to trust these folks' judgment over random office coworker guy.

I used the iPad 2 everyday for browsing and emails, still own it. But the new iPads screen is SO MUCH better, even side by side it's easy to tell. If you didn't know what you're looking for, like asking people off the streets, I can see them not knowing the difference, but for a consistent user, you've got to be blind not to notice the screen upgrade. However, SDTV to HDTV blew my mind, this didn't.

ok then my analogy of 480p to 720p/1080i is probably pretty accurate. Definitely better if you know what to look for but not everyone is going to appreciate it.

 

[One]

I'm the #1 iPad fan from the initial launch.The new iPad is great and I love it, but I really can't tell the difference from the iPad 2.I've seen some videos where they ask random people which is the new iPad and it's basically split on what one they pick.Maybe my vision isn't good enough to tell the difference.

this is bugging me.We have people telling us that this display is a game changer and others saying they can barely see a difference.When I hear "game changer" I think of the improvement of color tv from black and white TV, or improvement of HDTV from SDTV. That is the type of leap I expect from a game changer. I am starting to get the feeling that this game changer is more like the improvement of 720p from 480p. It is better but by no means a real game changer.Could it be that only certain apps can really show off the better display? I know only some of the apps have been updated to take advantage of the ipad 3 display.I am going to take my ipad 2 to the store and do a direct comparison with specific apps and see if I can see a dramatic difference.

It's the best tablet out there, but anyone acting like it's a "game changer" vs the ipad2 is off base.I love it, but If many people can't tell the difference between the iPad 2 and new iPads screen then I don't see how it's a revolutionary upgrade.

The reviews that I've read by people who are familiar with both seem to all rave about the improvement of the new display. I tend to trust these folks' judgment over random office coworker guy.

I used the iPad 2 everyday for browsing and emails, still own it. But the new iPads screen is SO MUCH better, even side by side it's easy to tell. If you didn't know what you're looking for, like asking people off the streets, I can see them not knowing the difference, but for a consistent user, you've got to be blind not to notice the screen upgrade. However, SDTV to HDTV blew my mind, this didn't.

ok then my analogy of 480p to 720p/1080i is probably pretty accurate. Definitely better if you know what to look for but not everyone is going to appreciate it.

I'd say that's a fair assessment.

 

[belljr]

Can anyone suggest a good case? My wife is looking for a case...minimal coverage that covers the back as well so it doesn't get scratched, etc. Thanks in advance for any opinions.

If you want protection - Otterbox

 

[goonsquad]

I'm the #1 iPad fan from the initial launch.The new iPad is great and I love it, but I really can't tell the difference from the iPad 2.I've seen some videos where they ask random people which is the new iPad and it's basically split on what one they pick.Maybe my vision isn't good enough to tell the difference.

this is bugging me.We have people telling us that this display is a game changer and others saying they can barely see a difference.When I hear "game changer" I think of the improvement of color tv from black and white TV, or improvement of HDTV from SDTV. That is the type of leap I expect from a game changer. I am starting to get the feeling that this game changer is more like the improvement of 720p from 480p. It is better but by no means a real game changer.Could it be that only certain apps can really show off the better display? I know only some of the apps have been updated to take advantage of the ipad 3 display.I am going to take my ipad 2 to the store and do a direct comparison with specific apps and see if I can see a dramatic difference.

It's the best tablet out there, but anyone acting like it's a "game changer" vs the ipad2 is off base.I love it, but If many people can't tell the difference between the iPad 2 and new iPads screen then I don't see how it's a revolutionary upgrade.

The reviews that I've read by people who are familiar with both seem to all rave about the improvement of the new display. I tend to trust these folks' judgment over random office coworker guy.

I used the iPad 2 everyday for browsing and emails, still own it. But the new iPads screen is SO MUCH better, even side by side it's easy to tell. If you didn't know what you're looking for, like asking people off the streets, I can see them not knowing the difference, but for a consistent user, you've got to be blind not to notice the screen upgrade. However, SDTV to HDTV blew my mind, this didn't.

ok then my analogy of 480p to 720p/1080i is probably pretty accurate. Definitely better if you know what to look for but not everyone is going to appreciate it.

I'd say that's a fair assessment.

I would agree that it's a fair comparison. I think I was the one that first called the screen a "game changer", and I stand by that. What I meant was that it will change people's expectations, competitors will have to match this to stay relevant. Just as HDTV changed the television industry, this screen will be the standard by which everything else is judged. I would guess that those that say they can't see a difference most likely got rid of their iPad 2 before getting the new iPad. To me, the difference is startling and I can't imagine not being able to tell in a side-by-side comparison.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

All I know is that I watched Archer on there via Netflix last night and i was blown away by the graphics. It was startling how crisp and real they were.

Speaking of netflix .... Only 75 in the ipad instant queue?

 

[shader]

I still don't see any predictions for the iPad 4 coming out in 2 years on that site, but I will believe you as I am just missing it.I agree with you that two years seems way too long and that next March-May is more likely.

There is no prediction for the iPad 4 on that site or any site. But, any suggestion that he iPad 4 will be out in two years is absurd based on the data in the box. March-May for the 4 is more reasonable.

What else would you iPad fans want out of the next version? A faster processor would be nice but for what a vast majority of users will use the iPad for it seems like the new iPad is all people need. I think it's going to be challenge to get people to upgrade.

In general this is true. I mean what else does anyone want a tablet to do for any reason? That is one reason people will "perceive" apple as losing it. They aren't losing it, they just aren't breaking any new ground. They can improve the processor a bit, have better battery life or memory, but in general it's the same thing. OS upgrades might be more significant than hardware upgrades.If apple wants to continue to gain market share, they have to find another product, and I don't know if that's out there. Perhaps a 7 inch tablet?

 

[SkyRattlers]

I still don't see any predictions for the iPad 4 coming out in 2 years on that site, but I will believe you as I am just missing it.I agree with you that two years seems way too long and that next March-May is more likely.

There is no prediction for the iPad 4 on that site or any site. But, any suggestion that he iPad 4 will be out in two years is absurd based on the data in the box. March-May for the 4 is more reasonable.

What else would you iPad fans want out of the next version? A faster processor would be nice but for what a vast majority of users will use the iPad for it seems like the new iPad is all people need. I think it's going to be challenge to get people to upgrade.

In general this is true. I mean what else does anyone want a tablet to do for any reason? That is one reason people will "perceive" apple as losing it. They aren't losing it, they just aren't breaking any new ground. They can improve the processor a bit, have better battery life or memory, but in general it's the same thing. OS upgrades might be more significant than hardware upgrades.If apple wants to continue to gain market share, they have to find another product, and I don't know if that's out there. Perhaps a 7 inch tablet?

Just throwing this out there....what's to stop Apple from completely dominating the console gaming market by simply getting people to buy a wireless Apple branded game controller and Apple TV / Airplay so you can stream the image to your HDTV? At that point you now have no reason that the current iPad couldn't play COD-MW3, or Battlefield 3, or Mass Effect 3. The processing power of the new iPad is equal to the 360 or PS3. The iTunes store is also capable of mimicking what Steam does.And the reason that Microsoft and Sony won't be able to compete against Apple is because they are currently tied to a static model of hardware. Unless they adapt to a system like Apple where new hardware is released every year then I don't see how they would remain competitive. In 2015 or 16 when Treyarch is designing the latest COD game will they prefer to build it for the Xbox or Playstation that was released in 2013-14 or the iPad that was released in the 2015-16.So my prediction is that the next big piece of market share for Apple is the gaming market.

 

[The Commish]

I'm the #1 iPad fan from the initial launch.The new iPad is great and I love it, but I really can't tell the difference from the iPad 2.I've seen some videos where they ask random people which is the new iPad and it's basically split on what one they pick.Maybe my vision isn't good enough to tell the difference.

this is bugging me.We have people telling us that this display is a game changer and others saying they can barely see a difference.When I hear "game changer" I think of the improvement of color tv from black and white TV, or improvement of HDTV from SDTV. That is the type of leap I expect from a game changer. I am starting to get the feeling that this game changer is more like the improvement of 720p from 480p. It is better but by no means a real game changer.Could it be that only certain apps can really show off the better display? I know only some of the apps have been updated to take advantage of the ipad 3 display.I am going to take my ipad 2 to the store and do a direct comparison with specific apps and see if I can see a dramatic difference.

It's the best tablet out there, but anyone acting like it's a "game changer" vs the ipad2 is off base.I love it, but If many people can't tell the difference between the iPad 2 and new iPads screen then I don't see how it's a revolutionary upgrade.

The reviews that I've read by people who are familiar with both seem to all rave about the improvement of the new display. I tend to trust these folks' judgment over random office coworker guy.

You guys have to remember, these reviewers know the technical changes behind the scenes as well. Next door neighbor has the new one (he got in on the first iPad) and we have a iPad2. I can't believe I am agreeing with moderated on anything, but I do here. While the technical changes are dramatic, the translation to the screen isn't huge. I notice a better "black" color in videos, but that's about it. I too think it's a bit much to go "game changer" but that's Apple's and their fanboys' MO, so you shouldn't expect anything less. Just consider the source and compare yourselves. See what YOU think about the differences.ETA: I think the HDTV comparisons are pretty accurate here. It's just not going to matter to a lot of people and they aren't going to see the differences.

 

[NewlyRetired]

I still don't see any predictions for the iPad 4 coming out in 2 years on that site, but I will believe you as I am just missing it.

I agree with you that two years seems way too long and that next March-May is more likely.

There is no prediction for the iPad 4 on that site or any site. But, any suggestion that he iPad 4 will be out in two years is absurd based on the data in the box. March-May for the 4 is more reasonable.

What else would you iPad fans want out of the next version? A faster processor would be nice but for what a vast majority of users will use the iPad for it seems like the new iPad is all people need. I think it's going to be challenge to get people to upgrade.

In general this is true. I mean what else does anyone want a tablet to do for any reason?

That is one reason people will "perceive" apple as losing it. They aren't losing it, they just aren't breaking any new ground. They can improve the processor a bit, have better battery life or memory, but in general it's the same thing. OS upgrades might be more significant than hardware upgrades.

If apple wants to continue to gain market share, they have to find another product, and I don't know if that's out there. Perhaps a 7 inch tablet?

Just throwing this out there....what's to stop Apple from completely dominating the console gaming market by simply getting people to buy a wireless Apple branded game controller and Apple TV / Airplay so you can stream the image to your HDTV? At that point you now have no reason that the current iPad couldn't play COD-MW3, or Battlefield 3, or Mass Effect 3. The processing power of the new iPad is equal to the 360 or PS3.

The idea has merit and is interesting but I don't think it will work (at least for the next couple of generations of consoles).The bolded is where your point falls off I think. The PS3 came out in 2006. It has taken until 2012 for a tablet to catch up.

Once the Xbox720/PS4 come out, the equivalent same year tablets will be 5-10 years behind in gaming technology. You can't make up that level of technology, especially in a tablet form factor, in just a couple of years, as you suggested. By the time the tablets catch up in technology to the PS4, the next version of the Xbox or PS will be available to again set it way behind.

Tablets will almost always be behind the consoles in technology for gaming. As long as gamers want the latest and greatest, tablets will be reserved for the Angry Birds type gamers, and consoles will be for the Skyrim type players.

The market for the Angry Birders type gamers is going to grow likely faster than the hard core gamers because of women IMO. It is an enormous demographic that the consoles can't crack but women buy the tablet/phone type games much more readily.

 

[SkyRattlers]

Just throwing this out there....what's to stop Apple from completely dominating the console gaming market by simply getting people to buy a wireless Apple branded game controller and Apple TV / Airplay so you can stream the image to your HDTV? At that point you now have no reason that the current iPad couldn't play COD-MW3, or Battlefield 3, or Mass Effect 3. The processing power of the new iPad is equal to the 360 or PS3.

The idea has merit and is interesting but I don't think it will work (at least for the next couple of generations of consoles).The bolded is where your point falls off I think. The PS3 came out in 2006. It has taken until 2012 for a tablet to catch up.

Once the Xbox720/PS4 come out, the equivalent same year tablets will be 5-10 years behind in gaming technology. You can't make up that level of technology, especially in a tablet form factor, in just a couple of years, as you suggested. By the time the tablets catch up in technology to the PS4, the next version of the Xbox or PS will be available to again set it way behind.

Tablets will almost always be behind the consoles in technology for gaming. As long as gamers want the latest and greatest, tablets will be reserved for the Angry Birds type gamers, and consoles will be for the Skyrim type players.

The market for the Angry Birders type gamers is going to grow likely faster than the hard core gamers because of women IMO. It is an enormous demographic that the consoles can't crack but women buy the tablet/phone type games much more readily.

You make it sound like it took 6-7 years for the tablet market to catch up. The tablet market didn't even exist 2 years ago. AND they haven't even been trying to compete with the consoles. Imagine if they actually put some focus on doing just that. I'd be willing to bet that if Microsoft and Sony release their next consoles in fall 2013, that Apple will be ready to match their hardware specs with the spring 2014 iPad launch (ie. iPad 5). And then every year after that Apple will widen the gap.

 

[CrossEyed]

I'm the #1 iPad fan from the initial launch.The new iPad is great and I love it, but I really can't tell the difference from the iPad 2.I've seen some videos where they ask random people which is the new iPad and it's basically split on what one they pick.Maybe my vision isn't good enough to tell the difference.

this is bugging me.We have people telling us that this display is a game changer and others saying they can barely see a difference.When I hear "game changer" I think of the improvement of color tv from black and white TV, or improvement of HDTV from SDTV. That is the type of leap I expect from a game changer. I am starting to get the feeling that this game changer is more like the improvement of 720p from 480p. It is better but by no means a real game changer.Could it be that only certain apps can really show off the better display? I know only some of the apps have been updated to take advantage of the ipad 3 display.I am going to take my ipad 2 to the store and do a direct comparison with specific apps and see if I can see a dramatic difference.

It's the best tablet out there, but anyone acting like it's a "game changer" vs the ipad2 is off base.I love it, but If many people can't tell the difference between the iPad 2 and new iPads screen then I don't see how it's a revolutionary upgrade.

The reviews that I've read by people who are familiar with both seem to all rave about the improvement of the new display. I tend to trust these folks' judgment over random office coworker guy.

You guys have to remember, these reviewers know the technical changes behind the scenes as well. Next door neighbor has the new one (he got in on the first iPad) and we have a iPad2. I can't believe I am agreeing with moderated on anything, but I do here. While the technical changes are dramatic, the translation to the screen isn't huge. I notice a better "black" color in videos, but that's about it. I too think it's a bit much to go "game changer" but that's Apple's and their fanboys' MO, so you shouldn't expect anything less. Just consider the source and compare yourselves. See what YOU think about the differences.ETA: I think the HDTV comparisons are pretty accurate here. It's just not going to matter to a lot of people and they aren't going to see the differences.

You're probably right. I never used an iPad 1 or 2, so I have no basis of comparison. I just know that this screen is great and I already enjoy reading on this thing 100x better than I ever enjoyed reading on my laptop or my phone.

 

[NewlyRetired]

Just throwing this out there....what's to stop Apple from completely dominating the console gaming market by simply getting people to buy a wireless Apple branded game controller and Apple TV / Airplay so you can stream the image to your HDTV? At that point you now have no reason that the current iPad couldn't play COD-MW3, or Battlefield 3, or Mass Effect 3. The processing power of the new iPad is equal to the 360 or PS3.

The idea has merit and is interesting but I don't think it will work (at least for the next couple of generations of consoles).The bolded is where your point falls off I think. The PS3 came out in 2006. It has taken until 2012 for a tablet to catch up.

Once the Xbox720/PS4 come out, the equivalent same year tablets will be 5-10 years behind in gaming technology. You can't make up that level of technology, especially in a tablet form factor, in just a couple of years, as you suggested. By the time the tablets catch up in technology to the PS4, the next version of the Xbox or PS will be available to again set it way behind.

Tablets will almost always be behind the consoles in technology for gaming. As long as gamers want the latest and greatest, tablets will be reserved for the Angry Birds type gamers, and consoles will be for the Skyrim type players.

The market for the Angry Birders type gamers is going to grow likely faster than the hard core gamers because of women IMO. It is an enormous demographic that the consoles can't crack but women buy the tablet/phone type games much more readily.

You make it sound like it took 6-7 years for the tablet market to catch up. The tablet market didn't even exist 2 years ago. AND they haven't even been trying to compete with the consoles. Imagine if they actually put some focus on doing just that. I'd be willing to bet that if Microsoft and Sony release their next consoles in fall 2013, that Apple will be ready to match their hardware specs with the spring 2014 iPad launch (ie. iPad 5). And then every year after that Apple will widen the gap.

I was an ASIC designer my entire career. My poker buddies at AMD are designing the graphics engine that is going into the PS4. I know more about this level of technology than I care to admit. I don't think you have the basic understanding of how much power is needed to run a hard core gaming system and how hard that is going to be to fit into a tablet format and not destroy battery life. You don't make those types of power savings leaps in the significantly smaller packages needed for a tablet over the span of one or two years. Technology moves fast, but not that fast.

If you are really under the impression that the design cycle of the Ipad's is less than 2 years old, I have to also say you don't understand the basic concept of a design cycle. The Ipad 1 design cycle likely started much before you think. Certainly significantly more than just two years ago.

Maybe you could better understand that if the Ipad was launched in 2006, it would not be anywhere near as powerful as it was being launched in 2010. The technology simply was not available yet whether they wanted to design it in or not to support their size and power requirements. By waiting out the years, they were able to take advantage of the process improvements that have occurred in the ASIC industry which typically take a few years to get to a new level to support a smaller size and better support for power.

The consoles have relatively little worry about room or power, but that is the main concern for the tablets. Making the technological leap from the size of chips and power the consoles are using to what the tablets will need for an equivalent can not covered in a 1-2 year time period. It has NOTHING to do with Apple concentrating on it as they do not control the ASIC process industry.

A better example is the PS Vita. The internals of the PS Vita, designed specifically for gaming, now are roughly equivalent to the PS3. Again, that is a 6 year gap before they were able to get the same level of technology in a small package (obviously smaller than a tablet, but also significantly more focused on a gaming than a tablet ever will be). And the battery life of the Vita (at roughly 3 hours) would be unacceptable to the tablet market which now is going to expect 9-10 hours.

 

[NewlyRetired]

You're probably right. I never used an iPad 1 or 2, so I have no basis of comparison. I just know that this screen is great and I already enjoy reading on this thing 100x better than I ever enjoyed reading on my laptop or my phone.

In the end that is all that matters! Enjoy it fully as most of us have. It is a very nice product.

 

[[icon]]

The idea has merit and is interesting but I don't think it will work (at least for the next couple of generations of consoles).

The bolded is where your point falls off I think. The PS3 came out in 2006. It has taken until 2012 for a tablet to catch up.

Once the Xbox720/PS4 come out, the equivalent same year tablets will be 5-10 years behind in gaming technology. You can't make up that level of technology, especially in a tablet form factor, in just a couple of years, as you suggested. By the time the tablets catch up in technology to the PS4, the next version of the Xbox or PS will be available to again set it way behind.

Tablets will almost always be behind the consoles in technology for gaming. As long as gamers want the latest and greatest, tablets will be reserved for the Angry Birds type gamers, and consoles will be for the Skyrim type players.

The market for the Angry Birders type gamers is going to grow likely faster than the hard core gamers because of women IMO. It is an enormous demographic that the consoles can't crack but women buy the tablet/phone type games much more readily.

You make it sound like it took 6-7 years for the tablet market to catch up. The tablet market didn't even exist 2 years ago. AND they haven't even been trying to compete with the consoles. Imagine if they actually put some focus on doing just that. I'd be willing to bet that if Microsoft and Sony release their next consoles in fall 2013, that Apple will be ready to match their hardware specs with the spring 2014 iPad launch (ie. iPad 5). And then every year after that Apple will widen the gap.

EXACTLY. Most people already own the controller (iphone,ipod touch). Create a slick controller app, have it tie into the iPad which then runs to the screen via airplay. There is NO reason there couldn't be some great gaming opportunities there. Hell using the large touchscreen would open up new control interface opportunities. For games that simply MUST have a traditional style controller, it would be easy to develop a peripheral.

Hell, Apple already has an XBOX LIve-esque gaming hub in GameCenter. Anyone who thinks they don't have their eyes on that market are fooling themselves.

 

[culdeus]

The idea has merit and is interesting but I don't think it will work (at least for the next couple of generations of consoles).

The bolded is where your point falls off I think. The PS3 came out in 2006. It has taken until 2012 for a tablet to catch up.

Once the Xbox720/PS4 come out, the equivalent same year tablets will be 5-10 years behind in gaming technology. You can't make up that level of technology, especially in a tablet form factor, in just a couple of years, as you suggested. By the time the tablets catch up in technology to the PS4, the next version of the Xbox or PS will be available to again set it way behind.

Tablets will almost always be behind the consoles in technology for gaming. As long as gamers want the latest and greatest, tablets will be reserved for the Angry Birds type gamers, and consoles will be for the Skyrim type players.

The market for the Angry Birders type gamers is going to grow likely faster than the hard core gamers because of women IMO. It is an enormous demographic that the consoles can't crack but women buy the tablet/phone type games much more readily.

You make it sound like it took 6-7 years for the tablet market to catch up. The tablet market didn't even exist 2 years ago. AND they haven't even been trying to compete with the consoles. Imagine if they actually put some focus on doing just that. I'd be willing to bet that if Microsoft and Sony release their next consoles in fall 2013, that Apple will be ready to match their hardware specs with the spring 2014 iPad launch (ie. iPad 5). And then every year after that Apple will widen the gap.

EXACTLY. Most people already own the controller (iphone,ipod touch). Create a slick controller app, have it tie into the iPad which then runs to the screen via airplay. There is NO reason there couldn't be some great gaming opportunities there. Hell using the large touchscreen would open up new control interface opportunities. For games that simply MUST have a traditional style controller, it would be easy to develop a peripheral.

Hell, Apple already has an XBOX LIve-esque gaming hub in GameCenter.

I don't think airplay is going to support something like that (I/O traffic). In fact, I'm pretty confident it wouldn't. I could see however this being part of the AppleTV draw if that's the goal.

 

[NewlyRetired]

The idea has merit and is interesting but I don't think it will work (at least for the next couple of generations of consoles).

The bolded is where your point falls off I think. The PS3 came out in 2006. It has taken until 2012 for a tablet to catch up.

Once the Xbox720/PS4 come out, the equivalent same year tablets will be 5-10 years behind in gaming technology. You can't make up that level of technology, especially in a tablet form factor, in just a couple of years, as you suggested. By the time the tablets catch up in technology to the PS4, the next version of the Xbox or PS will be available to again set it way behind.

Tablets will almost always be behind the consoles in technology for gaming. As long as gamers want the latest and greatest, tablets will be reserved for the Angry Birds type gamers, and consoles will be for the Skyrim type players.

The market for the Angry Birders type gamers is going to grow likely faster than the hard core gamers because of women IMO. It is an enormous demographic that the consoles can't crack but women buy the tablet/phone type games much more readily.

You make it sound like it took 6-7 years for the tablet market to catch up. The tablet market didn't even exist 2 years ago. AND they haven't even been trying to compete with the consoles. Imagine if they actually put some focus on doing just that. I'd be willing to bet that if Microsoft and Sony release their next consoles in fall 2013, that Apple will be ready to match their hardware specs with the spring 2014 iPad launch (ie. iPad 5). And then every year after that Apple will widen the gap.

EXACTLY. Most people already own the controller (iphone,ipod touch). Create a slick controller app, have it tie into the iPad which then runs to the screen via airplay. There is NO reason there couldn't be some great gaming opportunities there. Hell using the large touchscreen would open up new control interface opportunities. For games that simply MUST have a traditional style controller, it would be easy to develop a peripheral.

Sure this would work fine. Just don't be under the impression that it will compete with a PS4 or an Xbox 720 for hard core gamers inn terms of equivalent technology level only one year later because it won't. No level of fanboyism can change the laws of physics when it comes to the foundry asic process time improvements. But I am starting to see people are making these statements with very little knowledge or education so I am likely wasting my breath here.

One reason I would personally not like to use the ipad as a controller and/or gaming streaming device as I enjoy having my ipad as my companion while I am playing games as I am always looking things up. But that is just a personal preference.

 

[goonsquad]

The idea has merit and is interesting but I don't think it will work (at least for the next couple of generations of consoles).

The bolded is where your point falls off I think. The PS3 came out in 2006. It has taken until 2012 for a tablet to catch up.

Once the Xbox720/PS4 come out, the equivalent same year tablets will be 5-10 years behind in gaming technology. You can't make up that level of technology, especially in a tablet form factor, in just a couple of years, as you suggested. By the time the tablets catch up in technology to the PS4, the next version of the Xbox or PS will be available to again set it way behind.

Tablets will almost always be behind the consoles in technology for gaming. As long as gamers want the latest and greatest, tablets will be reserved for the Angry Birds type gamers, and consoles will be for the Skyrim type players.

The market for the Angry Birders type gamers is going to grow likely faster than the hard core gamers because of women IMO. It is an enormous demographic that the consoles can't crack but women buy the tablet/phone type games much more readily.

You make it sound like it took 6-7 years for the tablet market to catch up. The tablet market didn't even exist 2 years ago. AND they haven't even been trying to compete with the consoles. Imagine if they actually put some focus on doing just that. I'd be willing to bet that if Microsoft and Sony release their next consoles in fall 2013, that Apple will be ready to match their hardware specs with the spring 2014 iPad launch (ie. iPad 5). And then every year after that Apple will widen the gap.

EXACTLY. Most people already own the controller (iphone,ipod touch). Create a slick controller app, have it tie into the iPad which then runs to the screen via airplay. There is NO reason there couldn't be some great gaming opportunities there. Hell using the large touchscreen would open up new control interface opportunities. For games that simply MUST have a traditional style controller, it would be easy to develop a peripheral.

Hell, Apple already has an XBOX LIve-esque gaming hub in GameCenter.

I don't think airplay is going to support something like that (I/O traffic). In fact, I'm pretty confident it wouldn't. I could see however this being part of the AppleTV draw if that's the goal.

Could you explain this more? iPad games already stream to Airplay-enabled TV's. The controller connects to the iPad (via Bluetooth), the visuals are then pushed over Airplay to the display. I don't see the problem.ETA: Just noticed you are responding to the idea of a controller app, not a peripheral. Still shouldn't be a problem, Real Racing already uses the iPad as the the controller (complete with track map on iPad screen) while the game runs over Airplay to the TV.

 

[NewlyRetired]

I should add that the future iPad gaming market does not really need to be at the level of a PS4/Xbox720 technology to be even more successful than it already is today.

The Wii proved that the gaming community in general does not always lean towards the best technology. The hard core gamers will likely always lean towards the consoles but they are becoming a smaller piece of the pie these days and won't drive the majority of the revenue going forward IMO.

And as I mentioned earlier, the amount of money that games like Angry Birds makes shows that it is not a requirement to have monumental leaps in technology to improve their revenues.

 

[SkyRattlers]

I was an ASIC designer my entire career. My poker buddies at AMD are designing the graphics engine that is going into the PS4. I know more about this level of technology than I care to admit.

I don't think you have the basic understanding of how much power is needed to run a hard core gaming system and how hard that is going to be to fit into a tablet format and not destroy battery life. You don't make those types of power savings leaps in the significantly smaller packages needed for a tablet over the span of one or two years. Technology moves fast, but not that fast.

If you are really under the impression that the design cycle of the Ipad's is less than 2 years old, I have to also say you don't understand the basic concept of a design cycle. The Ipad 1 design cycle likely started much before you think. Certainly significantly more than just two years ago.

Maybe you could better understand that if the Ipad was launched in 2006, it would not be anywhere near as powerful as it was being launched in 2010. The technology simply was not available yet whether they wanted to design it in or not to support their size and power requirements. By waiting out the years, they were able to take advantage of the process improvements that have occurred in the ASIC industry which typically take a few years to get to a new level to support a smaller size and better support for power.

The consoles have relatively little worry about room or power, but that is the main concern for the tablets. Making the technological leap from the size of chips and power the consoles are using to what the tablets will need for an equivalent can not covered in a 1-2 year time period. It has NOTHING to do with Apple concentrating on it as they do not control the ASIC process industry.

A better example is the PS Vita. The internals of the PS Vita, designed specifically for gaming, now are roughly equivalent to the PS3. Again, that is a 6 year gap before they were able to get the same level of technology in a small package (obviously smaller than a tablet, but also significantly more focused on a gaming than a tablet ever will be). And the battery life of the Vita (at roughly 3 hours) would be unacceptable to the tablet market which now is going to expect 9-10 hours.

I don't know...it feels like you are putting up barriers where they don't need to exist. Apple isn't in the habit of conforming to the current standards. They prefer to create a new standard.The PS Vita has to be mobile. That's it's primary goal. But while the tablet functions of the iPad need to be mobile, there is no reason it can't "convert" to a stationary device to replicate console gaming. Perhaps Apple could create a power brick type adapter that the iPad would plug into but still use the standard charging port to solve any power requirements.

Right now, if a compatible version was created, the iPad could play Modern Warfare 3. You can't convince me that if Apple put it's efforts into being ready for Modern Warfare 4 in fall 2013 that it wouldn't be able to meet that challenge.

Really my underlying argument here is that the console market as it exists for this generation can't continue to operate in the same way in the future. And a hybrid tablet like device seems to have the highest probability of success....so who better than the dominate tablet maker to create it?

 

[cstu]

So no USB connectivity, no multitasking, no tabbed browsing, and 3G connectivity is a monthly fee. I really wanted to want one, so I'm genuinely not fishing when I ask this - what am I paying $500 for if it can't do any of the things I mentioned that I assumed would be basic features?

Not only do you NOT get 3G, the 3G version won't be out until later this month and those device are $800, not $400 like you paid. So now you're going to have to shell out another $800 for the new 3G device (and sell your $400 version - or give it to charity), you'll have to buy the $30/month 3G data plan as well.And no multitasking..And no USB...And no tabbed browsing...And apps are 2-5x more expensive.Again, Fanboy prices. You could have bought a laptop or netbook for less than that and got ALL of that functionality. So, you've been suckered again by Apple and like JB said earlier, it looks like you've actually taken a step backwards.And just to clarify, my beef is not that Apple doesn't make great products, because they do and they are all awesome, but the prices they charge are ridiculous and for Fanboys only.

Some people are willing to pay up for products that are better designed and more enjoyable to use.

Luckily there are tablet alternatives for the rest of us who want a little more control over our machines. I don't have a problem with the people who buy the iPad knowing it perfectly fits their needs, but there are a lot of people who mindlessly buy an iPad without knowing there are tablets that do everything iPad does and have more features.

 

[SkyRattlers]

One reason I would personally not like to use the ipad as a controller and/or gaming streaming device as I enjoy having my ipad as my companion while I am playing games as I am always looking things up. But that is just a personal preference.

I don't see why you think using the iPad as the source to run your video games prevents you from picking it up to check your email or a gaming walkthrough, etc

 

[CrossEyed]

So no USB connectivity, no multitasking, no tabbed browsing, and 3G connectivity is a monthly fee. I really wanted to want one, so I'm genuinely not fishing when I ask this - what am I paying $500 for if it can't do any of the things I mentioned that I assumed would be basic features?

Not only do you NOT get 3G, the 3G version won't be out until later this month and those device are $800, not $400 like you paid. So now you're going to have to shell out another $800 for the new 3G device (and sell your $400 version - or give it to charity), you'll have to buy the $30/month 3G data plan as well.And no multitasking..And no USB...And no tabbed browsing...And apps are 2-5x more expensive.Again, Fanboy prices. You could have bought a laptop or netbook for less than that and got ALL of that functionality. So, you've been suckered again by Apple and like JB said earlier, it looks like you've actually taken a step backwards.And just to clarify, my beef is not that Apple doesn't make great products, because they do and they are all awesome, but the prices they charge are ridiculous and for Fanboys only.

Some people are willing to pay up for products that are better designed and more enjoyable to use.

Luckily there are tablet alternatives for the rest of us who want a little more control over our machines. I don't have a problem with the people who buy the iPad knowing it perfectly fits their needs, but there are a lot of people who mindlessly buy an iPad without knowing there are tablets that do everything iPad does and have more features.

But they still aren't magical.

 

[NewlyRetired]

I was an ASIC designer my entire career. My poker buddies at AMD are designing the graphics engine that is going into the PS4. I know more about this level of technology than I care to admit.

I don't think you have the basic understanding of how much power is needed to run a hard core gaming system and how hard that is going to be to fit into a tablet format and not destroy battery life. You don't make those types of power savings leaps in the significantly smaller packages needed for a tablet over the span of one or two years. Technology moves fast, but not that fast.

If you are really under the impression that the design cycle of the Ipad's is less than 2 years old, I have to also say you don't understand the basic concept of a design cycle. The Ipad 1 design cycle likely started much before you think. Certainly significantly more than just two years ago.

Maybe you could better understand that if the Ipad was launched in 2006, it would not be anywhere near as powerful as it was being launched in 2010. The technology simply was not available yet whether they wanted to design it in or not to support their size and power requirements. By waiting out the years, they were able to take advantage of the process improvements that have occurred in the ASIC industry which typically take a few years to get to a new level to support a smaller size and better support for power.

The consoles have relatively little worry about room or power, but that is the main concern for the tablets. Making the technological leap from the size of chips and power the consoles are using to what the tablets will need for an equivalent can not covered in a 1-2 year time period. It has NOTHING to do with Apple concentrating on it as they do not control the ASIC process industry.

A better example is the PS Vita. The internals of the PS Vita, designed specifically for gaming, now are roughly equivalent to the PS3. Again, that is a 6 year gap before they were able to get the same level of technology in a small package (obviously smaller than a tablet, but also significantly more focused on a gaming than a tablet ever will be). And the battery life of the Vita (at roughly 3 hours) would be unacceptable to the tablet market which now is going to expect 9-10 hours.

I don't know...it feels like you are putting up barriers where they don't need to exist. Apple isn't in the habit of conforming to the current standards. They prefer to create a new standard.

We might be going down two different paths here.I am ONLY speaking to the incorrect statement that it would take a year for an IPAD to catch up to a PS4. From an ASIC technology process stand point it can't happen. Apple can create any standard they want, if the foundries can't produce the silicon, it is meaningless.

I am not arguing any other points (as you make many good ones). Only arguing against the notion that you could make a iPad tablet version of a PS4/Xbox 720 in a year. Hopefully you can just trust my 20+ years in the business of designing and building chips.

 

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We might be going down two different paths here.

I am ONLY speaking to the incorrect statement that it would take a year for an IPAD to catch up to a PS4. From an ASIC technology process stand point it can't happen. Apple can create any standard they want, if the foundries can't produce the silicon, it is meaningless.

I am not arguing any other points (as you make many good ones). Only arguing against the notion that you could make a iPad tablet version of a PS4/Xbox 720 in a year. Hopefully you can just trust my 20+ years in the business of designing and building chips.

I hear what you are saying I just don't see Apple being the type of company who will simply accept that. There is a reason why other tablets have trouble competing and it's not because they don't have good ideas or the technical know how. It's because Apple took control of the supply chain.Link

If Microsoft, or Sony, or HP or any other tech company are in Apple's way, then they'll simply move them out of the way.