iPad (3 Viewers)

[LokiKx]

The people who hate apple just for the sake of hating apple are a very odd group.

I haven't had an apple product since the IIe in the 80's, but they make great products and the iPad is no exception and will only get better.

For a 1st generation device it is extremely solid.

How do you know this since you said you've never had an Apple product in 30 years?

Using other people's. I borrowed a family members MacBook for a week and the quality was a lot better then my Dell. Only reason I don't switch out my desktop is it still works fine, but when it needs replacing there is no chance I buy another pc.

What are you trying to modify? My Win7 machine has never had an issue like that. Could you explain?Try modifying something in se7en. You will then Google to find out why you can't. Something about a registry hack you need to do it, like "Take Ownership" due to UAC. Yeah, I have to use a hack to own my machine.

 

[drummer]

The people who hate apple just for the sake of hating apple are a very odd group.

I haven't had an apple product since the IIe in the 80's, but they make great products and the iPad is no exception and will only get better.

For a 1st generation device it is extremely solid.

How do you know this since you said you've never had an Apple product in 30 years?

Using other people's. I borrowed a family members MacBook for a week and the quality was a lot better then my Dell. Only reason I don't switch out my desktop is it still works fine, but when it needs replacing there is no chance I buy another pc.

What are you trying to modify? My Win7 machine has never had an issue like that. Could you explain?Try modifying something in se7en. You will then Google to find out why you can't. Something about a registry hack you need to do it, like "Take Ownership" due to UAC. Yeah, I have to use a hack to own my machine.

I see people have zero clue about se7en here.

 

[sjslacker]

You're not following me. Why are people complaining about the 3G coming out soon as if they had NO CLUE from the start?

Who are these people and why are they relevant to this thread? So random peeps on the internet are too dumb to realize 3G ships 1 month later because they didnt do research and that's Apple's fault?As an aside, talked to a friend who's in the wifi chip design business and he mentioned that it makes sense the 3G version was released later than the wifi only version. Something about testing and certification for 3G chips has a longer process or something.

 

[Walton Goggins]

Now I see how deep your tech knowledge lies.ETA: Goggins getting hammered in this thread.

Work at a tech company and don't have any issues with HP computers. Sorry you have so many issues with them

 

[LokiKx]

Goggins, HP sucks. I've had two machines which both blew hard drives in under a year. And my other laptop is a HP and it fails to start up half the time. Just gives me a blank screen. Bought it last February in a pinch. CS is no help and said mail it in with a check for $385 and they'll take a look at it. If something goes wrong with an HP there's not much you can do. I tried to get them to respond to an email 6 months ago when I first started having problems with it. Conveniently I never got anywhere with them until after my warranty had expired.Conversely with Apple I had a Macbook locked and loaded at the store. Had the software picked out to run windows for a work program I had. When I got to the cashier they flagged me up in front of a mob of a line. I was The lady says "That's the Apple care line" I was "Like where people bring in broken products?" She replies "Yep Apple care is $300 and covers your product" I asked her if it was worth it and if the line was always that long. She said it was and some Apple guy in a tie chimed in stating he's never seen a repair without Apple care come out of the store for under $400. After thinking about that and the $2000+ I was about to drop I went across the mall and picked up another Sony Vaio for $1000. Awesome computer.I'm not anti-Apple. If iPhone wasn't on At&t I'd probably have one. If I didn't have to run windows on the Mac I'd probably buy one. And if I replace my desktop I most certainly will be going with that new monstrously screened Mac. That thing is amazing. I bought the iTouch as well but returned it a day later for lack of 3G and it's lack of memory. Went with the 80G iPod.

Funny but people always seem to think that MacBooks, unlike HP/Dell, etc. have no issues yet Apple tries to sell their Apple care. Why when nothing goes wrong with their products? I have experienced problems personally with Apple computers.I got a free Apple Iphone 2G and you can jailbreak it (if you are running Tmobile).I wonder if people who claim their Apple computers are great cause they never crash also have purchased Apple care and why?

There was a report by a company that does Warranty work that ranked all the major makers. Apple was ranked 4th just above Dell by a percent or so. HP failed horribly at a rate of 25%. I have not had issues with mine but who knows what the actual repairs are for.I think Asus, Toshiba and Sony were ahead of Apple.

 

[Walton Goggins]

You're not following me. Why are people complaining about the 3G coming out soon as if they had NO CLUE from the start?

Who are these people and why are they relevant to this thread? So random peeps on the internet are too dumb to realize 3G ships 1 month later because they didnt do research and that's Apple's fault?As an aside, talked to a friend who's in the wifi chip design business and he mentioned that it makes sense the 3G version was released later than the wifi only version. Something about testing and certification for 3G chips has a longer process or something.

Yea, right like their WIFI issues?

 

[drummer]

Now I see how deep your tech knowledge lies.ETA: Goggins getting hammered in this thread.

Work at a tech company and don't have any issues with HP computers. Sorry you have so many issues with them

So you're not working with consumer grade desktops and laptops with HP bloatware. Gotcha. Your knowledge noted.

 

[TxBuckeye]

When is someone going to start the "Who is more obnoxious, fanbois or haters" poll? Definitely needs to be done.

 

[Chunky Soup]

ETA: Goggins getting hammered in this thread.

 

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http://mashable.com/2010/04/13/mobile-web-stats/

(GREAT CHARTS AT THE LINK)

New Study Shows the Mobile Web Will Rule by 2015 [sTATS]

In a dense, 87-page report, Morgan Stanley analysts have charted the most important online trends and predicted the future of the Internet. In addition to forecasting more online shopping and showing the geographical distribution of Internet users, the study also shows a dramatic shift toward mobile web use.

Including devices such as the Kindle, the iPhone and other smartphones, web-enabled tablets, GPS systems, video games and wireless home appliances, the growth of the mobile web has been exponential — and we’re still just at the beginning of this cycle. Morgan Stanley’s analysts believe that, based on the current rate of change and adoption, the mobile web will be bigger than desktop Internet use by 2015

The mobile wealth creation/destruction cycle is in its earliest stages. The proliferation of better devices and the availability of better data coverage are two trends driving growth; having better services and smaller, cheaper devices has led to a huge explosion in mobile technology that far outpaces the growth of any other computing cycle.

And speaking of coverage, global 3G penetration is expected to hit 21% this year. In Japan, where the U.S. looks to find its mobile roadmap for the future, 96% of mobile subscribers already have 3G coverage. In Western Europe, the penetration is around 54%, just slightly above 46% in the U.S. In developing and/or economically depressed areas, including the Middle East, Africa, parts of Asia, Eastern Europe and South America, 3G penetration is still in the single digits. Morgan Stanley identifies 3G access as a key point in the success of the mobile web.

Finally, mobile e-commerce is ramping up faster than online e-commerce, now making up 4% of total retail sales. In certain categories, such as computers, consumer electronics, music, movies, tickets, video games and books, online sales account for between 45% and 20% of the total retail market. Japan’s Rakuten shows how the mobile share of e-commerce is growing as well, from 10% of e-commerce in 2006 to nearly 20% now.

Notes on the Social Web

Social network use has already eclipsed e-mail use. People started spending more time on sites such as Facebook, Twitter and MySpace back in 2007; in 2009, there were more users on social networks than users of e-mail.

In the past three years, two sites have gained a huge amount of mindshare around the world. The number of minutes spent online from a global audience was dominated by Yahoo and MSN in 2006. Today, Facebook is the website that gets by far the most attention, minute for minute, with YouTube holding a steady second position.

Other Stats of Interest

48% of all Internet users come from just five countries (Brazil, Russia, China, India and the U.S.).

Video accounts for 69% of mobile data traffic.

Facebook is the single largest repository for user-generated content such as pics, videos, links and comments.

Apple and Android platforms are gaining in the mobile OS market, while Windows Mobile, RIM and Palm decline.

More and more, we are expecting to have access to our “stuff,” i.e. music, documents and applications, in the cloud.

The overlap between mobile users and social web users continues to grow; more and more users are accessing the social web from a mobile device.

If Skype were a telecommunications carrier, it would be the largest carrier in the world, with 521 million registered users.

Games are bigger than any other app category — both for the social web and for mobile devices.

Real-time technology and location-based services are expected to drive mobile retail.

Online ad sales are growing, but virtual goods, premium content and other models are big business, especially for the mobile web.

The average iPhone user only spends 45% of his on-device time making voice calls.

 

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http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2010/01/and...-malware-fears/

Malware Sneaks Into Android Market

Hidden among the barcode readers, music players and games in the marketplace for Android software may be apps that could steal your online banking credentials or infect your phone.

Google removed about 1 percent of the apps posted to the Android Market last year, according to a 2009 filing Google made to the FTC (.pdf). While most of those apps were removed because of user complaints about adult content or copyright violations, two apps attempted to gain access to users’ financial information, according to InformationWeek.

“I am surprised it is that much,” says Artem Petakov, co-founder and CTO of WorkSmart Labs, which offers the Cardiotrainer app, referring to the number of apps removed. “I assumed the user reporting and flagging was working better than that.”

The possibility of malicious apps in the Android Market has some developers wondering if Google needs to police the marketplace better. It has also raised questions about the impact of these security holes on consumer confidence and app marketing by developers.

Google launched the free, open source Android OS with the T-Mobile G1 phone in October 2008. Unlike Apple, which tightly controls the submission and the review process for its App Store, Google has taken a much more open approach with the Android Market. Developers don’t have to wait for Google’s approval to get an app into the store. Instead, the search giant and Android creator is counting on users flagging suspicious or malicious apps.

Last month, two credit unions posted a warning to their customers about a rogue app that uses phishing techniques to gain access to a user’s banking credentials. Once Google was notified, it moved quickly to remove the app along with about 50 others written by the hacker.

Android Market’s malware-related challenges are not surprising, says Patrick Mork, vice-president of marketing for GetJar, a company that has a catalog of 60,000 apps and runs its own app stores for phones.

“Whenever you have an app store, you always have a challenge with people putting inappropriate content or not following guidelines,” says Mork. “It’s part of the trade, what it takes to run a retail operation.”

What Google needs is better monitoring systems and a greater emphasis on ensuring a vibrant yet safe marketplace.

“The most immediate thing they could do is to tighten up their content policing mechanisms,” says Mork. “They could add more staff to review apps in greater depth.”

Google declined to disclose how many employees it has policing the Android Market.

Android OS could make changes to its user interface to educate consumers who are downloading apps as to the kind of permissions the app has, says Petakov.

Google has a strong interest in keeping the Android Market clean and free. If consumers are spooked or worried about safety of the apps from the Android Market, it could lead to fewer app downloads. That in turn could eat away at developer support for the fledgling operating system.

“Running an operating system and running a retail store front are two different things,” says Mork. “Consumer confidence is very important in the latter.”

Still, the developers that Wired.com spoke to were clear that Android’s open model needs to continue.

“We have benefited so much from the instant posting of our app,” says Petakov. WorkSmart Labs releases a version of their app every two weeks. “I prefer this over the iPhone model.”

NOt surprising to see some developers not wanting to deal with an approval process, but this is going to be a real concern for Google going forward. This is one of the benefits of a policed system like Apple has in place. Not saying it's perfect, but this is an example of one of it's benefits.

 

[3C's]

http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2010/01/and...-malware-fears/

Malware Sneaks Into Android Market

Hidden among the barcode readers, music players and games in the marketplace for Android software may be apps that could steal your online banking credentials or infect your phone.

Google removed about 1 percent of the apps posted to the Android Market last year, according to a 2009 filing Google made to the FTC (.pdf). While most of those apps were removed because of user complaints about adult content or copyright violations, two apps attempted to gain access to users’ financial information, according to InformationWeek.

“I am surprised it is that much,” says Artem Petakov, co-founder and CTO of WorkSmart Labs, which offers the Cardiotrainer app, referring to the number of apps removed. “I assumed the user reporting and flagging was working better than that.”

The possibility of malicious apps in the Android Market has some developers wondering if Google needs to police the marketplace better. It has also raised questions about the impact of these security holes on consumer confidence and app marketing by developers.

Google launched the free, open source Android OS with the T-Mobile G1 phone in October 2008. Unlike Apple, which tightly controls the submission and the review process for its App Store, Google has taken a much more open approach with the Android Market. Developers don’t have to wait for Google’s approval to get an app into the store. Instead, the search giant and Android creator is counting on users flagging suspicious or malicious apps.

Last month, two credit unions posted a warning to their customers about a rogue app that uses phishing techniques to gain access to a user’s banking credentials. Once Google was notified, it moved quickly to remove the app along with about 50 others written by the hacker.

Android Market’s malware-related challenges are not surprising, says Patrick Mork, vice-president of marketing for GetJar, a company that has a catalog of 60,000 apps and runs its own app stores for phones.

“Whenever you have an app store, you always have a challenge with people putting inappropriate content or not following guidelines,” says Mork. “It’s part of the trade, what it takes to run a retail operation.”

What Google needs is better monitoring systems and a greater emphasis on ensuring a vibrant yet safe marketplace.

“The most immediate thing they could do is to tighten up their content policing mechanisms,” says Mork. “They could add more staff to review apps in greater depth.”

Google declined to disclose how many employees it has policing the Android Market.

Android OS could make changes to its user interface to educate consumers who are downloading apps as to the kind of permissions the app has, says Petakov.

Google has a strong interest in keeping the Android Market clean and free. If consumers are spooked or worried about safety of the apps from the Android Market, it could lead to fewer app downloads. That in turn could eat away at developer support for the fledgling operating system.

“Running an operating system and running a retail store front are two different things,” says Mork. “Consumer confidence is very important in the latter.”

Still, the developers that Wired.com spoke to were clear that Android’s open model needs to continue.

“We have benefited so much from the instant posting of our app,” says Petakov. WorkSmart Labs releases a version of their app every two weeks. “I prefer this over the iPhone model.”

NOt surprising to see some developers not wanting to deal with an approval process, but this is going to be a real concern for Google going forward. This is one of the benefits of a policed system like Apple has in place. Not saying it's perfect, but this is an example of one of it's benefits.

iPhone is not immune either"If you look at the whole App Store model, there is no way that Apple can afford to inspect the code of every application that goes onto the App Store. They do some lightweight inspection and testing, it goes up on the app store and there is not a lot to stop it doing something malicious.

"What is effectively an uncontrolled wild west frontier store isn't going to be the place you get secure things," said Jones.

link

 

[drummer]

Cue Goggins on this subject, while completely avoiding the subject of Major Geeks dot com.

 

[Walton Goggins]

http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2010/01/and...-malware-fears/

Malware Sneaks Into Android Market

Hidden among the barcode readers, music players and games in the marketplace for Android software may be apps that could steal your online banking credentials or infect your phone.

Google removed about 1 percent of the apps posted to the Android Market last year, according to a 2009 filing Google made to the FTC (.pdf). While most of those apps were removed because of user complaints about adult content or copyright violations, two apps attempted to gain access to users’ financial information, according to InformationWeek.

“I am surprised it is that much,” says Artem Petakov, co-founder and CTO of WorkSmart Labs, which offers the Cardiotrainer app, referring to the number of apps removed. “I assumed the user reporting and flagging was working better than that.”

The possibility of malicious apps in the Android Market has some developers wondering if Google needs to police the marketplace better. It has also raised questions about the impact of these security holes on consumer confidence and app marketing by developers.

Google launched the free, open source Android OS with the T-Mobile G1 phone in October 2008. Unlike Apple, which tightly controls the submission and the review process for its App Store, Google has taken a much more open approach with the Android Market. Developers don’t have to wait for Google’s approval to get an app into the store. Instead, the search giant and Android creator is counting on users flagging suspicious or malicious apps.

Last month, two credit unions posted a warning to their customers about a rogue app that uses phishing techniques to gain access to a user’s banking credentials. Once Google was notified, it moved quickly to remove the app along with about 50 others written by the hacker.

Android Market’s malware-related challenges are not surprising, says Patrick Mork, vice-president of marketing for GetJar, a company that has a catalog of 60,000 apps and runs its own app stores for phones.

“Whenever you have an app store, you always have a challenge with people putting inappropriate content or not following guidelines,” says Mork. “It’s part of the trade, what it takes to run a retail operation.”

What Google needs is better monitoring systems and a greater emphasis on ensuring a vibrant yet safe marketplace.

“The most immediate thing they could do is to tighten up their content policing mechanisms,” says Mork. “They could add more staff to review apps in greater depth.”

Google declined to disclose how many employees it has policing the Android Market.

Android OS could make changes to its user interface to educate consumers who are downloading apps as to the kind of permissions the app has, says Petakov.

Google has a strong interest in keeping the Android Market clean and free. If consumers are spooked or worried about safety of the apps from the Android Market, it could lead to fewer app downloads. That in turn could eat away at developer support for the fledgling operating system.

“Running an operating system and running a retail store front are two different things,” says Mork. “Consumer confidence is very important in the latter.”

Still, the developers that Wired.com spoke to were clear that Android’s open model needs to continue.

“We have benefited so much from the instant posting of our app,” says Petakov. WorkSmart Labs releases a version of their app every two weeks. “I prefer this over the iPhone model.”

NOt surprising to see some developers not wanting to deal with an approval process, but this is going to be a real concern for Google going forward. This is one of the benefits of a policed system like Apple has in place. Not saying it's perfect, but this is an example of one of it's benefits.

Guess people don't access e-mail off their iphones

 

[3C's]

I see people have zero clue about se7en here.

UAC is to (attempt to) prevent malicious programs from installing or gaining elevated privileges. Are you really complaining about having to click on a box and/or type in a password to confirm access? The problem with 7 is MS bowed to the "annoying" complaints from Vista users and lowered the setting in 7, but you do have a control panel app to change it (and disable it...no hack needed). A nice summary from a windows security expert:Windows Vista is more secure than Windows XP due to the benefits that UAC provides. If you don’t prompt or disable UAC, the computer is not much better off than Windows XP. If you run Windows 7 in any mode other than the most secure UAC mode, you are working with the same security as you did with Windows XP. Security has never been easy or convenient. If you decide to disable the great security feature of UAC or dial it down with the slider, you are missing the best security that Windows desktops offer today. If security is not an issue, why even upgrade?? Save your money for when the next version of ConFlicker attacks your computer, you will need it!

 

[Otis]

Gave a business presentation on this thing today using Keynote hooked up via the VGA adapter to a large screen. Worked awesome. Gripe: while it's playing, you can't see the slides on the device (so you can't hold it and look down at it as you conduct the presentation, at least based on my first use of it without playing with it before). Plus side is it otherwise worked really well, and even includes a laser pointer option that lets you move a dot around on the screen using your finger. Pretty cool.

Everyone was impressed. Further impressed because I'm in Tokyo and it's not out here yet, so everyone who has seen the iPad has gasped.

Anyway, it's a workable business device too. Proof is in the pudding.

 

[TLEF316]

The Japanese are impressed with everything. Quite frankly i'm surprised your height and hand size hasnt already awarded you a god-like status over there.

 

[Jason Bourne]

The Japanese are impressed with everything. Quite frankly i'm surprised your height and hand size hasnt already awarded you a god-like status over there.

Otis?

 

[Sammy3469]

The Japanese are impressed with everything. Quite frankly i'm surprised your height and hand size hasnt already awarded you a god-like status over there.

 

[Otis]

Announced today that the release of this thing in Asia has been pushed back a month because demand in the US has been surprisingly high. People buying these things like hotcakes.

But we're all idiots and were tricked by Apple's marketing people!

(my iPad > your non-iPad HTH)

 

[TxBuckeye]

Announced today that the release of this thing in Asia has been pushed back a month because demand in the US has been surprisingly high. People buying these things like hotcakes.

But we're all idiots and were tricked by Apple's marketing people!

I take it you think the first statement somehow invalidates the second? I would think if the second were true, it would require the first to be true also.p.s. Edit to add, I'm not saying anyone that bought an iPad is an idiot. I'm just trying to figure out what he's line of reasoning is.

 

[The Commish]

Announced today that the release of this thing in Asia has been pushed back a month because demand in the US has been surprisingly high. People buying these things like hotcakes.

But we're all idiots and were tricked by Apple's marketing people!

(my iPad > your non-iPad HTH)

This really is tiresome drivel....you're exhausting.

 

[3C's]

Announced today that the release of this thing in Asia has been pushed back a month because demand in the US has been surprisingly high. People buying these things like hotcakes.

But we're all idiots and were tricked by Apple's marketing people!

(my iPad > your non-iPad HTH)

This really is tiresome drivel....you're exhausting.

There is some truth in that statement. It is surprising that demand for the iPad has been that high.

 

[Balance]

Gave a business presentation on this thing today using Keynote hooked up via the VGA adapter to a large screen. Worked awesome. Gripe: while it's playing, you can't see the slides on the device (so you can't hold it and look down at it as you conduct the presentation, at least based on my first use of it without playing with it before). Plus side is it otherwise worked really well, and even includes a laser pointer option that lets you move a dot around on the screen using your finger. Pretty cool.Everyone was impressed. Further impressed because I'm in Tokyo and it's not out here yet, so everyone who has seen the iPad has gasped. Anyway, it's a workable business device too. Proof is in the pudding.

Tell me more about this Keynote... and were you holding the ipad while connected to VGA or was it sitting on the base?

 

[Card Trader]

Announced today that the release of this thing in Asia has been pushed back a month because demand in the US has been surprisingly high. People buying these things like hotcakes.

But we're all idiots and were tricked by Apple's marketing people!

(my iPad > your non-iPad HTH)

Yes, I'm sure THAT's the reason, and not the faulty Wi-Fi that I'm certain they want to fix before they start shipping these things overseas.

 

[Pots]

Can someone explain to me what this thing offers to someone that has an iPhone?

It seems like a big iPhone that can't fit in your pocket but doesn't function well as a laptop either. Why get one?

 

[culdeus]

Can someone explain to me what this thing offers to someone that has an iPhone?It seems like a big iPhone that can't fit in your pocket but doesn't function well as a laptop either. Why get one?

You are about 14 pages too late for that one.

 

[GloryDaze]

Can someone explain to me what this thing offers to someone that has an iPhone?It seems like a big iPhone that can't fit in your pocket but doesn't function well as a laptop either. Why get one?

You are about 14 pages too late for that one.

More like however many posts there are in this thread minus 2.

 

[moderated]

Announced today that the release of this thing in Asia has been pushed back a month because demand in the US has been surprisingly high. People buying these things like hotcakes.

But we're all idiots and were tricked by Apple's marketing people!

(my iPad > your non-iPad HTH)

Yes, I'm sure THAT's the reason, and not the faulty Wi-Fi that I'm certain they want to fix before they start shipping these things overseas.

The've sold 500k+ of the wi-fi only version already. I think it's a lot more reasonable that they underestimated demand then that they are fixing an issue that effects so few and will be fixed with a software update.bottom line this thing is a steamroller and the ones who doubted it and continue to doubt it have egg on their face.

Just admit it's been a huge success so far, more then almost anyone expected, denying that is simply foolish.

Oh, and the 3g version that many have been waiting on will be out soon giving the sales another jolt.

Apple wins again, game...set...match.

 

[LokiKx]

http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2010/01/and...-malware-fears/

Malware Sneaks Into Android Market

Hidden among the barcode readers, music players and games in the marketplace for Android software may be apps that could steal your online banking credentials or infect your phone.

Google removed about 1 percent of the apps posted to the Android Market last year, according to a 2009 filing Google made to the FTC (.pdf). While most of those apps were removed because of user complaints about adult content or copyright violations, two apps attempted to gain access to users’ financial information, according to InformationWeek.

“I am surprised it is that much,” says Artem Petakov, co-founder and CTO of WorkSmart Labs, which offers the Cardiotrainer app, referring to the number of apps removed. “I assumed the user reporting and flagging was working better than that.”

The possibility of malicious apps in the Android Market has some developers wondering if Google needs to police the marketplace better. It has also raised questions about the impact of these security holes on consumer confidence and app marketing by developers.

Google launched the free, open source Android OS with the T-Mobile G1 phone in October 2008. Unlike Apple, which tightly controls the submission and the review process for its App Store, Google has taken a much more open approach with the Android Market. Developers don’t have to wait for Google’s approval to get an app into the store. Instead, the search giant and Android creator is counting on users flagging suspicious or malicious apps.

Last month, two credit unions posted a warning to their customers about a rogue app that uses phishing techniques to gain access to a user’s banking credentials. Once Google was notified, it moved quickly to remove the app along with about 50 others written by the hacker.

Android Market’s malware-related challenges are not surprising, says Patrick Mork, vice-president of marketing for GetJar, a company that has a catalog of 60,000 apps and runs its own app stores for phones.

“Whenever you have an app store, you always have a challenge with people putting inappropriate content or not following guidelines,” says Mork. “It’s part of the trade, what it takes to run a retail operation.”

What Google needs is better monitoring systems and a greater emphasis on ensuring a vibrant yet safe marketplace.

“The most immediate thing they could do is to tighten up their content policing mechanisms,” says Mork. “They could add more staff to review apps in greater depth.”

Google declined to disclose how many employees it has policing the Android Market.

Android OS could make changes to its user interface to educate consumers who are downloading apps as to the kind of permissions the app has, says Petakov.

Google has a strong interest in keeping the Android Market clean and free. If consumers are spooked or worried about safety of the apps from the Android Market, it could lead to fewer app downloads. That in turn could eat away at developer support for the fledgling operating system.

“Running an operating system and running a retail store front are two different things,” says Mork. “Consumer confidence is very important in the latter.”

Still, the developers that Wired.com spoke to were clear that Android’s open model needs to continue.

“We have benefited so much from the instant posting of our app,” says Petakov. WorkSmart Labs releases a version of their app every two weeks. “I prefer this over the iPhone model.”

NOt surprising to see some developers not wanting to deal with an approval process, but this is going to be a real concern for Google going forward. This is one of the benefits of a policed system like Apple has in place. Not saying it's perfect, but this is an example of one of it's benefits.

Just remember the iPhone was the first to be hacked in pwn2own this year. Under 20 seconds and had read access to the whole system.

 

[LokiKx]

Announced today that the release of this thing in Asia has been pushed back a month because demand in the US has been surprisingly high. People buying these things like hotcakes.

But we're all idiots and were tricked by Apple's marketing people!

(my iPad > your non-iPad HTH)

This really is tiresome drivel....you're exhausting.

 

[LokiKx]

Can someone explain to me what this thing offers to someone that has an iPhone?It seems like a big iPhone that can't fit in your pocket but doesn't function well as a laptop either. Why get one?

To look good and show it off at the airport.

 

[LokiKx]

California

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

California

I assumed so many were being purchased in Cali was due to exporting them to Japan / Asia. I think this page shows how many are seen browsing from Cali tho.

 

[GloryDaze]

California

I assumed so many were being purchased in Cali was due to exporting them to Japan / Asia. I think this page shows how many are seen browsing from Cali tho.

It is inversely proportionate to the 'Odds you'll get beat up for being a male with a purse' map.

 

[LokiKx]

California

I assumed so many were being purchased in Cali was due to exporting them to Japan / Asia. I think this page shows how many are seen browsing from Cali tho.

Yeah. It is based on unique browser hits. They've been fine tuning it since the launch.

 

[Card Trader]

Announced today that the release of this thing in Asia has been pushed back a month because demand in the US has been surprisingly high. People buying these things like hotcakes.

But we're all idiots and were tricked by Apple's marketing people!

(my iPad > your non-iPad HTH)

Yes, I'm sure THAT's the reason, and not the faulty Wi-Fi that I'm certain they want to fix before they start shipping these things overseas.

The've sold 500k+ of the wi-fi only version already. I think it's a lot more reasonable that they underestimated demand then that they are fixing an issue that effects so few and will be fixed with a software update.bottom line this thing is a steamroller and the ones who doubted it and continue to doubt it have egg on their face.

Just admit it's been a huge success so far, more then almost anyone expected, denying that is simply foolish.

Oh, and the 3g version that many have been waiting on will be out soon giving the sales another jolt.

Apple wins again, game...set...match.

 

[Chunky Soup]

Just go out and buy one already. Your quality of life will skyrocket.

 

[drummer]

I see people have zero clue about se7en here.

UAC is to (attempt to) prevent malicious programs from installing or gaining elevated privileges. Are you really complaining about having to click on a box and/or type in a password to confirm access? The problem with 7 is MS bowed to the "annoying" complaints from Vista users and lowered the setting in 7, but you do have a control panel app to change it (and disable it...no hack needed). A nice summary from a windows security expert:Windows Vista is more secure than Windows XP due to the benefits that UAC provides. If you don’t prompt or disable UAC, the computer is not much better off than Windows XP. If you run Windows 7 in any mode other than the most secure UAC mode, you are working with the same security as you did with Windows XP. Security has never been easy or convenient. If you decide to disable the great security feature of UAC or dial it down with the slider, you are missing the best security that Windows desktops offer today. If security is not an issue, why even upgrade?? Save your money for when the next version of ConFlicker attacks your computer, you will need it!

I'm well aware of the security issue in Vista and se7en (I used almost every version of Windows for years building boxes and workstations). Lowering the UAC is just part of what you have to do to say, overwrite something on an external drive. The whole "permissions" thingy is one of them.

 

[Otis]

Gave a business presentation on this thing today using Keynote hooked up via the VGA adapter to a large screen. Worked awesome. Gripe: while it's playing, you can't see the slides on the device (so you can't hold it and look down at it as you conduct the presentation, at least based on my first use of it without playing with it before). Plus side is it otherwise worked really well, and even includes a laser pointer option that lets you move a dot around on the screen using your finger. Pretty cool.Everyone was impressed. Further impressed because I'm in Tokyo and it's not out here yet, so everyone who has seen the iPad has gasped. Anyway, it's a workable business device too. Proof is in the pudding.

Tell me more about this Keynote... and were you holding the ipad while connected to VGA or was it sitting on the base?

It was laying in the table in front of us or in our laps (we were seated) and connected to VGA via the VGA adapter.

 

[Otis]

http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2010/01/and...-malware-fears/

Malware Sneaks Into Android Market

Hidden among the barcode readers, music players and games in the marketplace for Android software may be apps that could steal your online banking credentials or infect your phone.

Google removed about 1 percent of the apps posted to the Android Market last year, according to a 2009 filing Google made to the FTC (.pdf). While most of those apps were removed because of user complaints about adult content or copyright violations, two apps attempted to gain access to users’ financial information, according to InformationWeek.

“I am surprised it is that much,” says Artem Petakov, co-founder and CTO of WorkSmart Labs, which offers the Cardiotrainer app, referring to the number of apps removed. “I assumed the user reporting and flagging was working better than that.”

The possibility of malicious apps in the Android Market has some developers wondering if Google needs to police the marketplace better. It has also raised questions about the impact of these security holes on consumer confidence and app marketing by developers.

Google launched the free, open source Android OS with the T-Mobile G1 phone in October 2008. Unlike Apple, which tightly controls the submission and the review process for its App Store, Google has taken a much more open approach with the Android Market. Developers don’t have to wait for Google’s approval to get an app into the store. Instead, the search giant and Android creator is counting on users flagging suspicious or malicious apps.

Last month, two credit unions posted a warning to their customers about a rogue app that uses phishing techniques to gain access to a user’s banking credentials. Once Google was notified, it moved quickly to remove the app along with about 50 others written by the hacker.

Android Market’s malware-related challenges are not surprising, says Patrick Mork, vice-president of marketing for GetJar, a company that has a catalog of 60,000 apps and runs its own app stores for phones.

“Whenever you have an app store, you always have a challenge with people putting inappropriate content or not following guidelines,” says Mork. “It’s part of the trade, what it takes to run a retail operation.”

What Google needs is better monitoring systems and a greater emphasis on ensuring a vibrant yet safe marketplace.

“The most immediate thing they could do is to tighten up their content policing mechanisms,” says Mork. “They could add more staff to review apps in greater depth.”

Google declined to disclose how many employees it has policing the Android Market.

Android OS could make changes to its user interface to educate consumers who are downloading apps as to the kind of permissions the app has, says Petakov.

Google has a strong interest in keeping the Android Market clean and free. If consumers are spooked or worried about safety of the apps from the Android Market, it could lead to fewer app downloads. That in turn could eat away at developer support for the fledgling operating system.

“Running an operating system and running a retail store front are two different things,” says Mork. “Consumer confidence is very important in the latter.”

Still, the developers that Wired.com spoke to were clear that Android’s open model needs to continue.

“We have benefited so much from the instant posting of our app,” says Petakov. WorkSmart Labs releases a version of their app every two weeks. “I prefer this over the iPhone model.”

NOt surprising to see some developers not wanting to deal with an approval process, but this is going to be a real concern for Google going forward. This is one of the benefits of a policed system like Apple has in place. Not saying it's perfect, but this is an example of one of it's benefits.

Just remember the iPhone was the first to be hacked in pwn2own this year. Under 20 seconds and had read access to the whole system.

Oh noes not READ ACCESS!!11

 

[Otis]

Announced today that the release of this thing in Asia has been pushed back a month because demand in the US has been surprisingly high. People buying these things like hotcakes.

But we're all idiots and were tricked by Apple's marketing people!

(my iPad > your non-iPad HTH)

Yes, I'm sure THAT's the reason, and not the faulty Wi-Fi that I'm certain they want to fix before they start shipping these things overseas.

The've sold 500k+ of the wi-fi only version already. I think it's a lot more reasonable that they underestimated demand then that they are fixing an issue that effects so few and will be fixed with a software update.bottom line this thing is a steamroller and the ones who doubted it and continue to doubt it have egg on their face.

Just admit it's been a huge success so far, more then almost anyone expected, denying that is simply foolish.

Oh, and the 3g version that many have been waiting on will be out soon giving the sales another jolt.

Apple wins again, game...set...match.

Apple > Haters

 

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NOt surprising to see some developers not wanting to deal with an approval process, but this is going to be a real concern for Google going forward. This is one of the benefits of a policed system like Apple has in place. Not saying it's perfect, but this is an example of one of it's benefits.

Just remember the iPhone was the first to be hacked in pwn2own this year. Under 20 seconds and had read access to the whole system.

Apples and oranges. My point was 100% to do with the security of having screened apps vs a wild west approach of googles. Not saying either machine is easier to be hacked in general. Didn't even address that point. Just commenting on the structure of the store. before more words are put in my mouth I'm ALSO not saying that Apples store is foolproof or will result in zero malware getting through... just that it appears it's already happening within google's environment.

 

[LokiKx]

Outside use?

 

[Otis]

Remember the SATs in high school?

LokiKx is to Apple as

Jim11 is to Obama

 

[LokiKx]

NOt surprising to see some developers not wanting to deal with an approval process, but this is going to be a real concern for Google going forward. This is one of the benefits of a policed system like Apple has in place. Not saying it's perfect, but this is an example of one of it's benefits.

Just remember the iPhone was the first to be hacked in pwn2own this year. Under 20 seconds and had read access to the whole system.

Apples and oranges. My point was 100% to do with the security of having screened apps vs a wild west approach of googles. Not saying either machine is easier to be hacked in general. Didn't even address that point. Just commenting on the structure of the store. before more words are put in my mouth I'm ALSO not saying that Apples store is foolproof or will result in zero malware getting through... just that it appears it's already happening within google's environment.

It will happen regardless once a hacking group decides they want to do something with the device. Also, does it matter which vector is used to attack the phone?Edit: My point is once a group decides to hack a device it will happen. Regardless if it's Iphone, WinMo, Android, etc.

 

[LokiKx]

Remember the SATs in high school?LokiKx is to Apple asJim11 is to Obama

Really. I've stated here before I own Apple devices. Why do you always cry when people post information on the iPad?

 

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NOt surprising to see some developers not wanting to deal with an approval process, but this is going to be a real concern for Google going forward. This is one of the benefits of a policed system like Apple has in place. Not saying it's perfect, but this is an example of one of it's benefits.

Just remember the iPhone was the first to be hacked in pwn2own this year. Under 20 seconds and had read access to the whole system.

Apples and oranges. My point was 100% to do with the security of having screened apps vs a wild west approach of googles. Not saying either machine is easier to be hacked in general. Didn't even address that point. Just commenting on the structure of the store. before more words are put in my mouth I'm ALSO not saying that Apples store is foolproof or will result in zero malware getting through... just that it appears it's already happening within google's environment.

It will happen regardless once a hacking group decides they want to do something with the device. Also, does it matter which vector is used to attack the phone?Edit: My point is once a group decides to hack a device it will happen. Regardless if it's Iphone, WinMo, Android, etc.

And you're still not reading my post.... which strictly addressed storefront security. I never stated the iPhone was any more secure vs a direct attack (or that it was any less secure for that matter). Feel free to continue tossing straw-men at will. I promise... EVERYONE is paying attention.This thread has once again devolved into unreadable. Congrats goggins/loki/etc. I'm out.

 

[Otis]

Remember the SATs in high school?LokiKx is to Apple asJim11 is to Obama

Really. I've stated here before I own Apple devices. Why do you always cry when people post information on the iPad?

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

Outside use?

you need to buy the optional accessory:only $99