iPad (4 Viewers)

[LokiKx]

This has been a long time coming. We'll try and get weekly updates doing with this. I'm also working on a draft dominator-type app (both iPad and Android platforms).



***OFFICIAL*** Coach Otis' Annoying iPad Hater Rankings

1. The Commish (Rising)

Guy quickly worked his way to the top of the charts with his high post count and yet claimed disinterest in the iPad. Claims to come in here to watch trainwrecks, but consistently becomes the biggest trainwreck of all. He's a late-comer to the thread, and is working at half the post count of LokiKx, but has really shined in recent weeks. His finishing move is to drop by to make fun of a point someone made, get clobbered with evidence opposing his view, and then to put on a breathtaking display of flawed logic to try and avoid the inevitable. A true star in the making, and this week's lock for the top spot.

2. LokiKx (Neutral)

I'm pretty sure this guy had another username in the earlier Apple threads, then swapped over to this one after getting banned. Not as bad as the #1 seed, but guy clearly is blinded by his Apple hatred. Doesn't seem to have any interest in the iPad, but regularly pops in simply to post any negative press he can possibly find on the device. Has posted no less than 163 times in this thread, most of which are to jokes about the iPad being a big iPhone, or to post a link we've already seen 14 times (and which wasn't all that funny the first time). About as clever as your average garden gnome, but a bizarre mix of infatuation and dedication happening here, and we've got high hopes for this kid.

3. Card Trader (Falling)

Started off as a frontrunner based on his solid body of work in other Apple-related threads and his admitted affiliation with android. Claims to have had an iPad in his office for testing purposes the month before release. Has become a bit more fair and balanced in recent weeks.

4. gmbacm (Neutral)

Just outside the top ten in post count, and has, like Goggins, eased back on the throttle recently. However, based on what we saw from him at the combines, we suspect he's got a second wind, and we're expecting big things from him in coming weeks, particularly once the 3G version is released.

5. Goggins (Falling)

Guy came out of the gates strong, but has (as would most sane people) shown waning interest in recent weeks.

6. 3C's (Neutral)

Top ten in post count and top ten in Fanboi hate, but not sufficiently annoying because he doesn't seem to get involved in the substantive discussion. Known for the drive-by one-liner and then disappearing.

iPad vs StoneGoing for #1

Just so you know. I don't hate Apple or the iPad. I'm just open minded.

 

[Card Trader]

3. Card Trader (Falling)

Started off as a frontrunner based on his solid body of work in other Apple-related threads and his admitted affiliation with android. Claims to have had an iPad in his office for testing purposes the month before release. Has become a bit more fair and balanced in recent weeks.

I do appreciate the #3 ranking, however I feel I've been pretty fair and balanced about the iPad all along.

 

[Otis]

3. Card Trader (Falling)

Started off as a frontrunner based on his solid body of work in other Apple-related threads and his admitted affiliation with android. Claims to have had an iPad in his office for testing purposes the month before release. Has become a bit more fair and balanced in recent weeks.

I do appreciate the #3 ranking, however I feel I've been pretty fair and balanced about the iPad all along.

Your stock is definitely falling here, but please don't second guess the judges.

 

[Otis]

I don't hate Apple or the iPad. I'm just open minded.

 

[The Commish]

Sites have been converting to html5 for 18 months now. I believe that's a bit premature given the volatility of the standard, but that's their choice. I've already said that the iPad and Apple's decision to not give into flash is a good thing and will help get sites moving to html5 who haven't already, but the movement started a long time ago.

So you're really just stuck on the fact that HTML5 came out awhile ago? But you're admitting that countless sites changed over to HTML5 (almost overnight) because of the iPad? I can't speak for Otis, but I think you're proving his point. People implementing technology (whether it was already out there or not) to be compatible with the iPad. Congrats.

Do you think it's just flipping a switch and BAM it's HTML5? We have a two page site within my employer and it's taken 18 months just to get those two pages converted. It's disingenuous to think that these companies just decided on Monday that they wanted to be html5 and it was done by Friday. I get what it looks like to you and I understand why you may think this is the case, but for the majority of companies, if they rolled out in the last two months, I'd be willing to bet their development efforts started 18-24 months ago. For me to say I believe they did this because of iPad, I'd have to also believe they understood Apple's direction and got on Apple's timeline for release.I will acknowledge that there are probably some very simple sites out there that can do things in a modified time table, and will because their customers want them to, but they are very much the exception to the rule. Most companies are moving to html5 because that's the direction determined by the WWWC. That's where Apple took their cue from and they were 100% correct in doing so. Not sure why you'd think major corporations would be taking their cues from Apple rather than the governing body.

 

[Otis]

HLAM MY EMPLOYER HAS A WEBSITE! (?)

 

[LokiKx]

Buy AAPL - Here go another million iPads to the soccer moms!

Television personality Oprah Winfrey, who in the past boosted sales of the Amazon Kindle by praising it on her program, recently declared herself a fan of Apple's iPad for an audience of millions to see.

Winfrey praised the iPad, which she called "amazing," in a conversation on her show last week with tech analyst Omar Wasow. She highlighted the device's abilities as an e-reader, noting that the its touchscreen allows books to "move," and proclaimed that Apple's new hardware would "change the way kids learn."

The TV host also mentioned the Kindle when talking about the iPad, noting that the Amazon Kindle application allows users to read their books on the iPad. She said that unlike the Kindle, the iPad has a backlit screen, which allows for reading in the dark, sharing photos, and playing games like Scrabble. "Gosh, those Apple folks," she said.

According to The Wall Street Journal, the TV host even referred to her ownership of Amazon's e-reader in the past tense, stating she "had a Kindle." A spokesperson for Winfrey later clarified and said she uses both devices.

The Journal noted that Winfrey's endorsement of the Kindle in 2008 led to a flood of orders at Amazon, which had difficulty keeping up with demand for the holiday season.

Oprah's Book Club is featured on Apple's iBookstore on the iPad, where titles highlighted by the host are available for purchase. As part of the free iBooks application, the iBookstore is Apple's entrance into the e-book market, and also features the New York Times Bestsellers list.

Winfrey has partnered with Apple in the past for charity. In 2006, she, along with U2 singer Bono and a number of celebrities, took part in the (Product) Red promotion for the iPod nano. Proceeds from the device, which is still sold by Apple with the latest-generation iPod nano, support the Global Fund to fight AIDS in Africa. Oprah and Bono both filmed a segment at an Apple store in Chicago, Ill., to promote the cause in 2006.

I had suggested before this is probably not the best place to talk about this since a lot of close minded people muddy it up.What I have done for awhile now is buy APPL and also back it up with companies they use. Here's a recent Motley fool article talking about it. Riding apple to riches.

 

[Card Trader]

HLAM MY EMPLOYER HAS A WEBSITE! (?)

You forgot your italics.

 

[The Commish]

***OFFICIAL*** Coach Otis' Annoying iPad Hater Rankings

What do you get from childish posts like this? Is it really my fault that you don't have a clue about the HTML5 history? Really?

 

[Otis]

Sites have been converting to html5 for 18 months now. I believe that's a bit premature given the volatility of the standard, but that's their choice. I've already said that the iPad and Apple's decision to not give into flash is a good thing and will help get sites moving to html5 who haven't already, but the movement started a long time ago.

So you're really just stuck on the fact that HTML5 came out awhile ago? But you're admitting that countless sites changed over to HTML5 (almost overnight) because of the iPad? I can't speak for Otis, but I think you're proving his point. People implementing technology (whether it was already out there or not) to be compatible with the iPad. Congrats.

Do you think it's just flipping a switch and BAM it's HTML5? We have a two page site within my employer and it's taken 18 months just to get those two pages converted. It's disingenuous to think that these companies just decided on Monday that they wanted to be html5 and it was done by Friday. I get what it looks like to you and I understand why you may think this is the case, but for the majority of companies, if they rolled out in the last two months, I'd be willing to bet their development efforts started 18-24 months ago. For me to say I believe they did this because of iPad, I'd have to also believe they understood Apple's direction and got on Apple's timeline for release.I will acknowledge that there are probably some very simple sites out there that can do things in a modified time table, and will because their customers want them to, but they are very much the exception to the rule. Most companies are moving to html5 because that's the direction determined by the WWWC. That's where Apple took their cue from and they were 100% correct in doing so. Not sure why you'd think major corporations would be taking their cues from Apple rather than the governing body.

My god. I could spend hours writing a response to this. HOURS. But in the end, is it worth it? Can't be.Abridged version:

- lol at your employer being a proxy for all businesses in the world

- lol at it taking 18 months to redesign two web pages

- "It's disingenuous to think that these companies just decided on Monday that they wanted to be html5 and it was done by Friday. " -- nobody ever said that. I said that many companies have been putting up iPad friendly sites in place of, or in addition to, their flash sites, in recent weeks. And then I pasted a bunch of links in the press where everyone is saying the exact same thing I did. The thing that you laughed at and thought was a "gem."

- No, these companies didn't have to plan this change 2 years ago for it to happen now. And no, they didn't need to guess at Apple's "direction."

- "I will acknowledge that there are probably some very simple sites out there that can do things in a modified time table." What do you do for a living? You a web programmer? Honest question. And how many companies do you have these data points on?

-"Not sure why you'd think major corporations would be taking their cues from Apple rather than the governing body." -- WWWC isn't a "governing" organization and doesn't tell anyone what to do. It's a standard-setting body.

What I also find comical about this current twist in this thread is that for the first half of the thread, everyone was bashing Apple for not supporting flash. We're now at the point where it's like "well obviously Apple chose the HTML5 route instead, because that's become the standard."

 

[The Commish]

HLAM MY EMPLOYER HAS A WEBSITE! (?)

you really don't have a clue do you?

 

[Otis]

***OFFICIAL*** Coach Otis' Annoying iPad Hater Rankings

What do you get from childish posts like this? Is it really my fault that you don't have a clue about the HTML5 history? Really?

So that's what this is about now? Jesus.

 

[Otis]

HLAM MY EMPLOYER HAS A WEBSITE! (?)

you really don't have a clue do you?

About what? Help me out here.1. I made a statement, and it had absolutely nothing to do with you. I didn't even view it as remotely controversial.2. You pop in and bash it, call it a gem, and again claim I'm clueless for making the statement.3. I post numerous links supporting my statement.4. You backpedal to the history of HTML5 and how clueless I am.That about right? Seriously, if your whole platform is going to be based on being "Mr. Informed Technology Guy," at least do some reading before you pop in and storm the barn with guns blazing and laughing at folks when they are, in fact, right after all. It makes you look foolish.

 

[The Commish]

My god. I could spend hours writing a response to this. HOURS. But in the end, is it worth it? Can't be.

Abridged version:

- lol at your employer being a proxy for all businesses in the world

- lol at it taking 18 months to redesign two web pages

- "It's disingenuous to think that these companies just decided on Monday that they wanted to be html5 and it was done by Friday. " -- nobody ever said that. I said that many companies have been putting up iPad friendly sites in place of, or in addition to, their flash sites, in recent weeks. And then I pasted a bunch of links in the press where everyone is saying the exact same thing I did. The thing that you laughed at and thought was a "gem."

- No, these companies didn't have to plan this change 2 years ago for it to happen now. And no, they didn't need to guess at Apple's "direction."

- "I will acknowledge that there are probably some very simple sites out there that can do things in a modified time table." What do you do for a living? You a web programmer? Honest question. And how many companies do you have these data points on?

-"Not sure why you'd think major corporations would be taking their cues from Apple rather than the governing body." -- WWWC isn't a "governing" organization and doesn't tell anyone what to do. It's a standard-setting body.

What I also find comical about this current twist in this thread is that for the first half of the thread, everyone was bashing Apple for not supporting flash. We're now at the point where it's like "well obviously Apple chose the HTML5 route instead, because that's become the standard."

I'll give you $1000 for every instance where I "ripped" Apple for going html5 if you give me $1000 where I said it was the right move. On top of the other bet( you have ignored), you should make some pretty good coin. It's clear you have no real clue what goes into web development. We have approx. 250 various sites through our organization. I gave you an example of one...an important one, but it's one. The tone of your original post which I thought comical was that iPad was pushing the html5 "boom" that you were seeing. If that wasn't your intent, you could have cleared it up right then and there. However, you chose to take the "cool guy" approach. Not sure why it matters, but I work for Wells Fargo on the wholesale authentication team as a system analyst. Formerly I was a DBA in the same company. We have hundreds of projects under way in our organization to move pages to html5 and it's not because of the iPad. It's because it's industry standard. Sorry that doesn't fit your myopic view, but that's the reality we live in. We work with countless vendors who face the same challenges and we are further along than most. I am guessing you just looked WWWC up on wiki? Sounds like it. Governing was the wrong word to use, you finally got one right. They set the standard. Folks don't have to follow if they don't want to, but generally run into a heap of trouble if they don't. It's like giving a guy the "option" of using a boat and staying alive at sea for 2 days or having to tread water to stay alive. I try to keep in mind that you aren't in this industry and approach you accordingly, but I'll admit, you're making it tough.

 

[phthalatemagic]

Just checking in

 

[The Commish]

HLAM MY EMPLOYER HAS A WEBSITE! (?)

you really don't have a clue do you?

About what? Help me out here.1. I made a statement, and it had absolutely nothing to do with you. I didn't even view it as remotely controversial.2. You pop in and bash it, call it a gem, and again claim I'm clueless for making the statement.3. I post numerous links supporting my statement.4. You backpedal to the history of HTML5 and how clueless I am.That about right? Seriously, if your whole platform is going to be based on being "Mr. Informed Technology Guy," at least do some reading before you pop in and storm the barn with guns blazing and laughing at folks when they are, in fact, right after all. It makes you look foolish.

I'll say one last time by your tone (in the post I laughed at):1. You seemed to think that people were moving to HTML5 because of iPad. Nine times out of 10 this is incorrect.2. You seemed to be saying that all these sites were moving to HTML5 overnight. If you think that's how it works, you are wrong again.3. You posted a bunch of links from sources talking about why they feel these companies are making the switch. Granted, I skimmed all but the Yahoo and I saw no CTO or CIO saying "we are moving to this new technology because of html5"4. There is no back pedal. I simply stated if you think html5 is a new concept, and it's just now being used because of iPad, you don't understand how these standards come to be.The end If you have a different position than what came across then I am all ears.

 

[The Commish]

So that's what this is about now? Jesus.

It's ALWAYS about you isn't it? I thought that was the FFA rule.

 

[goonsquad]

What I also find comical about this current twist in this thread is that for the first half of the thread LAST THREE YEARS, everyone was bashing Apple for not supporting flash. We're now at the point where it's like "well obviously Apple chose the HTML5 route instead, because that's become the standard."

This caught my eye as well (only fixed for accuracy).

 

[jafo]

Does the iPad support flash or multitask yet?

 

[goonsquad]

I'll say one last time by your tone (in the post I laughed at):

1. You seemed to think that people were moving to HTML5 because of iPad. Nine times out of 10 this is incorrect.

2. You seemed to be saying that all these sites were moving to HTML5 overnight. If you think that's how it works, you are wrong again.

I think you're kidding yourself a little if you don't believe that the installed user base of 60 million+ iPhone/iTouch users has no bearing on the decision of a news / entertainment site to finally go HTML 5. And you said yourself that the standards aren't even locked down yet. In your technical opinion, you think some of these sites jumped the gun a bit. Well, that points to a motive beyond being simply being standards compliant. Steve Jobs got YouTube to re-encode their entire site from Flash to H.264 for the launch of the original iPhone. Here we are, three years and 60 million users later, I see no reason to think that he didn't utilize his incredible influence behind the scenes for the iPad launch as well. Actually, I think you're kidding yourself if you believe he didn't do so. Remember also, we are talking huge entertainment sites that are struggling to monetize themselves. Which I'm guessing is a far cry from use and audience for your Wells Fargo sites.

 

[culdeus]

Buy AAPL - Here go another million iPads to the soccer moms!

Television personality Oprah Winfrey, who in the past boosted sales of the Amazon Kindle by praising it on her program, recently declared herself a fan of Apple's iPad for an audience of millions to see.

Winfrey praised the iPad, which she called "amazing," in a conversation on her show last week with tech analyst Omar Wasow. She highlighted the device's abilities as an e-reader, noting that the its touchscreen allows books to "move," and proclaimed that Apple's new hardware would "change the way kids learn."

The TV host also mentioned the Kindle when talking about the iPad, noting that the Amazon Kindle application allows users to read their books on the iPad. She said that unlike the Kindle, the iPad has a backlit screen, which allows for reading in the dark, sharing photos, and playing games like Scrabble. "Gosh, those Apple folks," she said.

According to The Wall Street Journal, the TV host even referred to her ownership of Amazon's e-reader in the past tense, stating she "had a Kindle." A spokesperson for Winfrey later clarified and said she uses both devices.

The Journal noted that Winfrey's endorsement of the Kindle in 2008 led to a flood of orders at Amazon, which had difficulty keeping up with demand for the holiday season.

Oprah's Book Club is featured on Apple's iBookstore on the iPad, where titles highlighted by the host are available for purchase. As part of the free iBooks application, the iBookstore is Apple's entrance into the e-book market, and also features the New York Times Bestsellers list.

Winfrey has partnered with Apple in the past for charity. In 2006, she, along with U2 singer Bono and a number of celebrities, took part in the (Product) Red promotion for the iPod nano. Proceeds from the device, which is still sold by Apple with the latest-generation iPod nano, support the Global Fund to fight AIDS in Africa. Oprah and Bono both filmed a segment at an Apple store in Chicago, Ill., to promote the cause in 2006.

I had suggested before this is probably not the best place to talk about this since a lot of close minded people muddy it up.What I have done for awhile now is buy APPL and also back it up with companies they use. Here's a recent Motley fool article talking about it. Riding apple to riches.

That's just one stock pick, hardly a list of all the vendors on there.

 

[HellToupee]

it only took a couple of jackasses to make this thread useless

 

[Gordo]

My god. I could spend hours writing a response to this. HOURS. But in the end, is it worth it? Can't be.

Abridged version:

- lol at your employer being a proxy for all businesses in the world

- lol at it taking 18 months to redesign two web pages

- "It's disingenuous to think that these companies just decided on Monday that they wanted to be html5 and it was done by Friday. " -- nobody ever said that. I said that many companies have been putting up iPad friendly sites in place of, or in addition to, their flash sites, in recent weeks. And then I pasted a bunch of links in the press where everyone is saying the exact same thing I did. The thing that you laughed at and thought was a "gem."

- No, these companies didn't have to plan this change 2 years ago for it to happen now. And no, they didn't need to guess at Apple's "direction."

- "I will acknowledge that there are probably some very simple sites out there that can do things in a modified time table." What do you do for a living? You a web programmer? Honest question. And how many companies do you have these data points on?

-"Not sure why you'd think major corporations would be taking their cues from Apple rather than the governing body." -- WWWC isn't a "governing" organization and doesn't tell anyone what to do. It's a standard-setting body.

What I also find comical about this current twist in this thread is that for the first half of the thread, everyone was bashing Apple for not supporting flash. We're now at the point where it's like "well obviously Apple chose the HTML5 route instead, because that's become the standard."

I'll give you $1000 for every instance where I "ripped" Apple for going html5 if you give me $1000 where I said it was the right move. On top of the other bet( you have ignored), you should make some pretty good coin. It's clear you have no real clue what goes into web development. We have approx. 250 various sites through our organization. I gave you an example of one...an important one, but it's one. The tone of your original post which I thought comical was that iPad was pushing the html5 "boom" that you were seeing. If that wasn't your intent, you could have cleared it up right then and there. However, you chose to take the "cool guy" approach. Not sure why it matters, but I work for Wells Fargo on the wholesale authentication team as a system analyst. Formerly I was a DBA in the same company. We have hundreds of projects under way in our organization to move pages to html5 and it's not because of the iPad. It's because it's industry standard. Sorry that doesn't fit your myopic view, but that's the reality we live in. We work with countless vendors who face the same challenges and we are further along than most. I am guessing you just looked WWWC up on wiki? Sounds like it. Governing was the wrong word to use, you finally got one right. They set the standard. Folks don't have to follow if they don't want to, but generally run into a heap of trouble if they don't. It's like giving a guy the "option" of using a boat and staying alive at sea for 2 days or having to tread water to stay alive. I try to keep in mind that you aren't in this industry and approach you accordingly, but I'll admit, you're making it tough.

I don't really want to get into the middle of you and Otis little iFight here, but Commish you are wrong. Apple's lack of support for Flash not just for the iPad, but the iPhone and iPod touch as well, has been a significant factor in motivating companies to hasten their support of HTML5. Yes, it is not the only reason, but it is most definitely a factor.Go to TechCrunch and do a search for HTML5 and you will find numerous blog posts about companies adding HTML5 support to accommodate apple devices. You can tell that they are doing it solely for apple devices because they are detecting what people are browsing from and enabling HTML5 only if they detect that it is an iPad or iPhone, and leaving Flash enabled for all other devices. They are basically creating multiple versions of their sites to cater to whatever they detect that people are using to view their site/content. If iPads/iPhones, supported Flash, they would not be doing this.

Again, just do a search on any of the tech blogs, and you will see numerous references to this. I guess if you don't believe me, I can do the work for you, but I read a ton of blogs and it has been brought up hundreds of times since the release of the iPad.

 

[Otis]

It's Google's application. They have to build it to support the browsers, and that's the way it's been for them since the beginning. Yeah, I guess Apple could modify its browser to support a single company's specialized web applications (which doesn't make much sense), or could even develop it's own Google docs app, but it makes a whole bunch more sense for GOOGLE to develop that stuff -- which is exactly what they have done all along and will continue to do.

This issue is just a result of the iPad being the first such device out there, and it being the first month of its release. I would bet big money it's a non-issue in 3 months, particularly given the huge success of the iPad. The same way people flocked to make apps for the iPhone and make themselves iPhone compatible, companies will do the same with iPad. Heck, you can even see it already, as so many websites have already converted to HTML5 to be iPad-friendly.

You asked me a few posts back why I came in here still and I told you because I was trying to get information about Apple and their direction. I lied...it's for gems like this.

Bump for The Commish. Yes, im the one who sucks here.

 

[Otis]

And lol at "i work for wells fargo and im kind of a big deal.". Lololololol

 

[Otis]

My god. I could spend hours writing a response to this. HOURS. But in the end, is it worth it? Can't be.

Abridged version:

- lol at your employer being a proxy for all businesses in the world

- lol at it taking 18 months to redesign two web pages

- "It's disingenuous to think that these companies just decided on Monday that they wanted to be html5 and it was done by Friday. " -- nobody ever said that. I said that many companies have been putting up iPad friendly sites in place of, or in addition to, their flash sites, in recent weeks. And then I pasted a bunch of links in the press where everyone is saying the exact same thing I did. The thing that you laughed at and thought was a "gem."

- No, these companies didn't have to plan this change 2 years ago for it to happen now. And no, they didn't need to guess at Apple's "direction."

- "I will acknowledge that there are probably some very simple sites out there that can do things in a modified time table." What do you do for a living? You a web programmer? Honest question. And how many companies do you have these data points on?

-"Not sure why you'd think major corporations would be taking their cues from Apple rather than the governing body." -- WWWC isn't a "governing" organization and doesn't tell anyone what to do. It's a standard-setting body.

What I also find comical about this current twist in this thread is that for the first half of the thread, everyone was bashing Apple for not supporting flash. We're now at the point where it's like "well obviously Apple chose the HTML5 route instead, because that's become the standard."

I'll give you $1000 for every instance where I "ripped" Apple for going html5 if you give me $1000 where I said it was the right move. On top of the other bet( you have ignored), you should make some pretty good coin. It's clear you have no real clue what goes into web development. We have approx. 250 various sites through our organization. I gave you an example of one...an important one, but it's one. The tone of your original post which I thought comical was that iPad was pushing the html5 "boom" that you were seeing. If that wasn't your intent, you could have cleared it up right then and there. However, you chose to take the "cool guy" approach. Not sure why it matters, but I work for Wells Fargo on the wholesale authentication team as a system analyst. Formerly I was a DBA in the same company. We have hundreds of projects under way in our organization to move pages to html5 and it's not because of the iPad. It's because it's industry standard. Sorry that doesn't fit your myopic view, but that's the reality we live in. We work with countless vendors who face the same challenges and we are further along than most. I am guessing you just looked WWWC up on wiki? Sounds like it. Governing was the wrong word to use, you finally got one right. They set the standard. Folks don't have to follow if they don't want to, but generally run into a heap of trouble if they don't. It's like giving a guy the "option" of using a boat and staying alive at sea for 2 days or having to tread water to stay alive. I try to keep in mind that you aren't in this industry and approach you accordingly, but I'll admit, you're making it tough.

I don't really want to get into the middle of you and Otis little iFight here, but Commish you are wrong. Apple's lack of support for Flash not just for the iPad, but the iPhone and iPod touch as well, has been a significant factor in motivating companies to hasten their support of HTML5. Yes, it is not the only reason, but it is most definitely a factor.Go to TechCrunch and do a search for HTML5 and you will find numerous blog posts about companies adding HTML5 support to accommodate apple devices. You can tell that they are doing it solely for apple devices because they are detecting what people are browsing from and enabling HTML5 only if they detect that it is an iPad or iPhone, and leaving Flash enabled for all other devices. They are basically creating multiple versions of their sites to cater to whatever they detect that people are using to view their site/content. If iPads/iPhones, supported Flash, they would not be doing this.

Again, just do a search on any of the tech blogs, and you will see numerous references to this. I guess if you don't believe me, I can do the work for you, but I read a ton of blogs and it has been brought up hundreds of times since the release of the iPad.

Jesus christ thank you.

 

[Otis]

Anyone have any idea what these are fetching on criagslist etc? The Mrs. commented tonight, as i was trying to find a hotspot from a cab, that it is easily worth the 30 bucks a month for me to have 3G based on how much i use this thing and how often i have it with me. Im tempted to try and sell it and upgrade. Will Apple offer me a deal? Or should i just try and recoup as much as possible on the open market and then repurchase?

If i had known i would use it this much, i would have waited for 3G.

By the way, the scrabble game "Words with friends" is highly, highly addictive.

 

[gigantor]

$300 if you believe this

$300

 

[Otis]

$300 if you believe this

$300

And I have seen ads for 700 too, which doesn't make much sense. Looks like the 32GB models is selling for 700 or so on ebay if you're willing to ship worldwide. No idea what that costs though.

 

[3C's]

Gotta get back in the top 5.

Careful iPad users, hackers have their sights on you

 

[3C's]

My point is that lots of websites and web service providers are scrambling to launch "iPad-friendly" versions of their sites/products, based in large part on the overwhelming success of the iPad. If you're suggesting I'm wrong because Facebook makes it's site iPad friendly not through HTLM5 but through some other workaround that makes it work on the iPad, then you're agreeing with me.

lol at Facebook "scrambling" to change their website due to the "overwhelming" success of the iPad. Facebook has 400 million users. iPad has somewhere around 500k units. Really don't think they're all that concerned with .00001% of their user base.

 

[Gordo]

My point is that lots of websites and web service providers are scrambling to launch "iPad-friendly" versions of their sites/products, based in large part on the overwhelming success of the iPad. If you're suggesting I'm wrong because Facebook makes it's site iPad friendly not through HTLM5 but through some other workaround that makes it work on the iPad, then you're agreeing with me.

lol at Facebook "scrambling" to change their website due to the "overwhelming" success of the iPad. Facebook has 400 million users. iPad has somewhere around 500k units. Really don't think they're all that concerned with .00001% of their user base.

The change that facebook recently made also works for iPhones and iPod touches. Does that change your numbers at all? iPad sales are over 1 million now. Combine those 3 devices, and yes it was definitely a factor in facebooks decision to add an "Apple Device" friendly video format to their site.

 

[The Commish]

I'll say one last time by your tone (in the post I laughed at):

1. You seemed to think that people were moving to HTML5 because of iPad. Nine times out of 10 this is incorrect.

2. You seemed to be saying that all these sites were moving to HTML5 overnight. If you think that's how it works, you are wrong again.

I think you're kidding yourself a little if you don't believe that the installed user base of 60 million+ iPhone/iTouch users has no bearing on the decision of a news / entertainment site to finally go HTML 5. And you said yourself that the standards aren't even locked down yet. In your technical opinion, you think some of these sites jumped the gun a bit. Well, that points to a motive beyond being simply being standards compliant. Steve Jobs got YouTube to re-encode their entire site from Flash to H.264 for the launch of the original iPhone. Here we are, three years and 60 million users later, I see no reason to think that he didn't utilize his incredible influence behind the scenes for the iPad launch as well. Actually, I think you're kidding yourself if you believe he didn't do so. Remember also, we are talking huge entertainment sites that are struggling to monetize themselves. Which I'm guessing is a far cry from use and audience for your Wells Fargo sites.

I simply speak from which I observe. There are tons of sites that have been moving towards the new technology for two years now. I am sure there are some sites who have sped up their R&D because of the iPad. I've never denied that and I certainly haven't said the iPad has had no bearing on the decisions. I've simply challenged Otis' hyperbole and his implication that everyone is all of a sudden moving to html5 because of iPad. That's not the case.I do think those who are implementing now have jumped the gun a bit, but it might work out for them. Companies like mine simply can't take that chance. It costs a ton of money to do this type of development and we have to do it correctly the first time. Small companies probably have the luxury of fixing things after the fact.

As usual, the answer, realistically, lies between Otis' mopic "everyone" and my "very few".

 

[Otis]

Hey gang,

Has anyone posted any funny links to stuff about the iPad being like just a big iPhone? Maybe a pic with like a magnifying glass and an iPhone? Or does anyone have any funny jokes about the name? I could be, like, calling it girly and stuff? I know this all seems really clever, but I'm hoping 40 pages in that maybe someone found one of these needles in a haystack somewhere.

Thanks,

Oats

 

[3C's]

My point is that lots of websites and web service providers are scrambling to launch "iPad-friendly" versions of their sites/products, based in large part on the overwhelming success of the iPad. If you're suggesting I'm wrong because Facebook makes it's site iPad friendly not through HTLM5 but through some other workaround that makes it work on the iPad, then you're agreeing with me.

lol at Facebook "scrambling" to change their website due to the "overwhelming" success of the iPad. Facebook has 400 million users. iPad has somewhere around 500k units. Really don't think they're all that concerned with .00001% of their user base.

The change that facebook recently made also works for iPhones and iPod touches. Does that change your numbers at all? iPad sales are over 1 million now. Combine those 3 devices, and yes it was definitely a factor in facebooks decision to add an "Apple Device" friendly video format to their site.

What does iPhone and iPod have to do with Otis' stating that they changed due to the overwhelming success!!!!111!!! of the iPad?

 

[The Commish]

I don't really want to get into the middle of you and Otis little iFight here, but Commish you are wrong. Apple's lack of support for Flash not just for the iPad, but the iPhone and iPod touch as well, has been a significant factor in motivating companies to hasten their support of HTML5. Yes, it is not the only reason, but it is most definitely a factor.

Go to TechCrunch and do a search for HTML5 and you will find numerous blog posts about companies adding HTML5 support to accommodate apple devices. You can tell that they are doing it solely for apple devices because they are detecting what people are browsing from and enabling HTML5 only if they detect that it is an iPad or iPhone, and leaving Flash enabled for all other devices. They are basically creating multiple versions of their sites to cater to whatever they detect that people are using to view their site/content. If iPads/iPhones, supported Flash, they would not be doing this.

Again, just do a search on any of the tech blogs, and you will see numerous references to this. I guess if you don't believe me, I can do the work for you, but I read a ton of blogs and it has been brought up hundreds of times since the release of the iPad.

Never questioned this and agree with you 100% There's no question they are an influence in some outlets, but the sensationalism on his part was completely wrong. HTML5 has been bubbling at the surface for the last 18 months or so. Apple's iPad was the pin that popped the blister. I've never said otherwise.

 

[The Commish]

And lol at "i work for wells fargo and im kind of a big deal.". Lololololol

I'm not but thanks for the childish posts.

 

[Otis]

Tell you what, Commish. I know you keep trying to avoid the facts here, because you look awful when we consider actual facts, but let's do that anyway:

I simply speak from which I observe.

Yeah? So, like, over the past year you sit around in your spare time looking at the page source on random web pages all over the web to see how they've implemented their animations? You must be a blast at parties.

I am sure there are some sites who have sped up their R&D because of the iPad.

LOL at "R&D." It's a WEBSITE using existing, standard technologies. Nobody has to do any "R&D" to implement the technology here. Do you even know what half the terms you are using mean? Jesus...

I've never denied that and I certainly haven't said the iPad has had no bearing on the decisions. I've simply challenged Otis' hyperbole and his implication that everyone is all of a sudden moving to html5 because of iPad. That's not the case.

As usual, the answer, realistically, lies between Otis' mopic "everyone" and my "very few".

I've tried to bump the quote of mine that you bolded three times now, because you keep changing what I said, so here it is for you again:"as so many websites have already converted to HTML5 to be iPad-friendly."

I never once used the word "everyone." And my statement above is directly supported by a boatload of links I posted. Now, if you want to argue the media are all liars and morons too, then feel free, but at least do the work to get to that point. There is nothing worse than arguing with someone who is a combination of smug, wrong, stubborn, and lazy. Particularly after they've attacked you for saying something that isn't all that crazy in the first place.

I do think those who are implementing now have jumped the gun a bit, but it might work out for them. Companies like mine simply can't take that chance. It costs a ton of money to do this type of development and we have to do it correctly the first time. Small companies probably have the luxury of fixing things after the fact.

Oh come on... And one last at "companies like mine." Yes, we get it. You work for Wells Fargo. And you enjoy websites. Thanks for bringing your expertise to the thread, it's been uber helpful.

 

[Otis]

I don't really want to get into the middle of you and Otis little iFight here, but Commish you are wrong. Apple's lack of support for Flash not just for the iPad, but the iPhone and iPod touch as well, has been a significant factor in motivating companies to hasten their support of HTML5. Yes, it is not the only reason, but it is most definitely a factor.

Go to TechCrunch and do a search for HTML5 and you will find numerous blog posts about companies adding HTML5 support to accommodate apple devices. You can tell that they are doing it solely for apple devices because they are detecting what people are browsing from and enabling HTML5 only if they detect that it is an iPad or iPhone, and leaving Flash enabled for all other devices. They are basically creating multiple versions of their sites to cater to whatever they detect that people are using to view their site/content. If iPads/iPhones, supported Flash, they would not be doing this.

Again, just do a search on any of the tech blogs, and you will see numerous references to this. I guess if you don't believe me, I can do the work for you, but I read a ton of blogs and it has been brought up hundreds of times since the release of the iPad.

Never questioned this and agree with you 100% There's no question they are an influence in some outlets, but the sensationalism on his part was completely wrong. HTML5 has been bubbling at the surface for the last 18 months or so. Apple's iPad was the pin that popped the blister. I've never said otherwise.

JESUS CHRIST.And some FANTASTIC backpedaling here.

 

[Otis]

And Commish, given your Christian behavior in this thread, the bible quote linked in your sig is beautifully ironic...

"Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason ... But do this with gentleness and respect,"

 

[Otis]

Hey folks,

I'm doing some R&D this morning on making a tuna sandwich. Anyone got any good pointers?

Thanks,

Oats

 

[3C's]

Hey folks,I'm doing some R&D this morning on making a tuna sandwich. Anyone got any good pointers?Thanks,Oats

PM MoP

 

[The Commish]

Tell you what, Commish. I know you keep trying to avoid the facts here, because you look awful when we consider actual facts, but let's do that anyway:

I simply speak from which I observe.

Yeah? So, like, over the past year you sit around in your spare time looking at the page source on random web pages all over the web to see how they've implemented their animations? You must be a blast at parties.

I am sure there are some sites who have sped up their R&D because of the iPad.

LOL at "R&D." It's a WEBSITE using existing, standard technologies. Nobody has to do any "R&D" to implement the technology here. Do you even know what half the terms you are using mean? Jesus...

I've never denied that and I certainly haven't said the iPad has had no bearing on the decisions. I've simply challenged Otis' hyperbole and his implication that everyone is all of a sudden moving to html5 because of iPad. That's not the case.

As usual, the answer, realistically, lies between Otis' mopic "everyone" and my "very few".

I've tried to bump the quote of mine that you bolded three times now, because you keep changing what I said, so here it is for you again:"as so many websites have already converted to HTML5 to be iPad-friendly."

I never once used the word "everyone." And my statement above is directly supported by a boatload of links I posted. Now, if you want to argue the media are all liars and morons too, then feel free, but at least do the work to get to that point. There is nothing worse than arguing with someone who is a combination of smug, wrong, stubborn, and lazy. Particularly after they've attacked you for saying something that isn't all that crazy in the first place.

I do think those who are implementing now have jumped the gun a bit, but it might work out for them. Companies like mine simply can't take that chance. It costs a ton of money to do this type of development and we have to do it correctly the first time. Small companies probably have the luxury of fixing things after the fact.

Oh come on... And one last at "companies like mine." Yes, we get it. You work for Wells Fargo. And you enjoy websites. Thanks for bringing your expertise to the thread, it's been uber helpful.

 

[The Commish]

And Commish, given your Christian behavior in this thread, the bible quote linked in your sig is beautifully ironic...

"Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason ... But do this with gentleness and respect,"

Wow...what nerve did I hit?? Personal "attacks" and all...I'm so flattered.

 

[Chunky Soup]

HTML5 has been bubbling at the surface for the last 18 months or so. Apple's iPad was the pin that popped the blister.

So you're saying, once again, that you agree with everyone. And since the iPad is what started the serious talk/drove websites to change their formats to HTML5 or otherwise almost overnight, I think we can agree that the "popping of the blister" was a pretty big effect and the iPad was pretty influential. And since not all changed to HTML5, but just away from Flash, I think we can agree that the iPad was pretty significant and it was more than the HTML5 "blister" getting too big. Although you agree, you keep this argument up. I have to think that you went through your sensationalist posts because either (1) you enjoy starting a pissing match when things were dying down a bit in here, (2) you wanted everyone to look at you because you work on websites and work with Wells Fargo and are therefore qualified (which is somewhat ironic because of the next one), (3) you wanted to make sure everyone know that you think the iPad/iPod has a USB port or (4) you wanted high marks on Coach Otis' list.

Never questioned this and agree with you 100% There's no question they are an influence in some outlets, but the sensationalism on his part was completely wrong.

The only sensationalism was on your part. See above.I don't know if it's because Michigan football has been completely owned by tOSU for the last decade or what, but you're a sensitive one. I still don't really know what your argument is, but you sure like to fight it out. Keep going at it, Tiger.

 

[The Commish]

HTML5 has been bubbling at the surface for the last 18 months or so. Apple's iPad was the pin that popped the blister.

So you're saying, once again, that you agree with everyone. And since the iPad is what started the serious talk/drove websites to change their formats to HTML5 or otherwise almost overnight, I think we can agree that the "popping of the blister" was a pretty big effect and the iPad was pretty influential. And since not all changed to HTML5, but just away from Flash, I think we can agree that the iPad was pretty significant and it was more than the HTML5 "blister" getting too big. Although you agree, you keep this argument up. I have to think that you went through your sensationalist posts because either (1) you enjoy starting a pissing match when things were dying down a bit in here, (2) you wanted everyone to look at you because you work on websites and work with Wells Fargo and are therefore qualified (which is somewhat ironic because of the next one), (3) you wanted to make sure everyone know that you think the iPad/iPod has a USB port or (4) you wanted high marks on Coach Otis' list.

Never questioned this and agree with you 100% There's no question they are an influence in some outlets, but the sensationalism on his part was completely wrong.

The only sensationalism was on your part. See above.I don't know if it's because Michigan football has been completely owned by tOSU for the last decade or what, but you're a sensitive one. I still don't really know what your argument is, but you sure like to fight it out. Keep going at it, Tiger.

WTF?? Yes, you are spot on...can we move on now? I'll concede that the iPad has single handedly brought html5 to the top of every company's "to do" list.

 

[Otis]

WTF?? Yes, you are spot on...can we move on now? I'll concede that the iPad has single handedly brought html5 to the top of every company's "to do" list.

This sarcasm still isn't manning up and admitting that you're wrong, but I think it's pretty clear to you and everyone, so I guess no need to come out and say it.Please feel free to pop by again and point out some "gems" for us.

 

[The Commish]

<_< WTF?? Yes, you are spot on...can we move on now? I'll concede that the iPad has single handedly brought html5 to the top of every company's "to do" list.

This sarcasm still isn't manning up and admitting that you're wrong, but I think it's pretty clear to you and everyone, so I guess no need to come out and say it.Please feel free to pop by again and point out some "gems" for us. <_<

Congrats...I was sucked into one of your fanboy slap fights. For that I am truly ashamed, but I have to say Kudos on a job well done FWIW....that's not sarcasm....that's exactly how your post came across to me when you posted it.Can I go take my shower now?? <_<

 

[GloryDaze]

The Commish is right. HTML5 did not get developed specifically for the iPad.

Otis is right. Websites are changing to be iPad friendly.

 

[goonsquad]

The Commish is right. HTML5 did not get developed specifically for the iPad.Otis is right. Websites are changing to be iPad friendly.

OK, with that settled, let's move on to the next debate:Apple is making boisterous claims of the iPad being "magical" yet I haven't been able to cast a single spell with it. Not even a simple Riddikulus, much less something useful like an Expecto Patronum or a Finite Incantatem. APPLE LIED TO US!!!