Iran w/ a nucular bomb (1 Viewer)

[shadrap]

Any doubt they would drop one on Israel if they had one?

 

[sho nuff]

Lots a doubt...as soon as the planes were in te air (or missiles)...Israel would have many more on their way to iran destroying the entire country and probably enough to mess up others around them..

 

[jonessed]

They would likely use Hezbollah to sneak something through Palestine.

I don't believe Israel would let it come to that though. They would bomb the crap out of Iran before they could put together a working bomb.

 

[Juxtatarot]

Of course they wouldn't.

 

[shadrap]

With Iran's utter lack of respect for life, including their own people I think it's a given.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Any doubt they would drop one on Israel if they had one?

I guess what I never understood about this is that muslims want Jerusalem, they wouldn't destroy it.

I think the bigger issue is the US, and they don't need a bomb for that, just fission material from any nuclear plant would do.

 

[Sinrman]

I agree that they wouldn't do it conventionally. If it's going to happen, they would find a way to get it in the hands of someone that could give them plausible deniability. But I think we'd all see through it...

 

[NCCommish]

Iran has never proven to be irrational. They know full well if they nuke Israel we would end them. It isn't going to happen and in fact Israeli intelligence says the opposite of what Netanyahu has been saying on Iran's capabilities.

 

[Jack White]

Iran has never proven to be irrational. They know full well if they nuke Israel we would end them. It isn't going to happen and in fact Israeli intelligence says the opposite of what Netanyahu has been saying on Iran's capabilities.

Thank you for being a sane voice in a sea of insanity.

Iran is not remotely close to having nuclear weapons. And even if it was, it would use them the same way every government except one has used them: as a defensive deterrent.

 

[General Tso]

I've been part of a team that has had to model terrorism attacks in the US, particularly wide area events involving NBCR. In my opinion it is non-negotiable when it comes to Iran obtaining a nuclear capability. The losses I have seen modeled (low grade nuke in Times Square) make the hair on your neck stand up. Immediate loss of life of over 1 million. And that's the good news. I can't think of anything more in our vital national interests than preventing nuclear proliferation.

 

[eoMMan]

oye vey!!!

 

[Hang 10]

Not if you take them at their word.

 

[msommer]

Doesn't matter if they have bombs that don't exist. And learn how to spell.

 

[NCCommish]

I've been part of a team that has had to model terrorism attacks in the US, particularly wide area events involving NBCR. In my opinion it is non-negotiable when it comes to Iran obtaining a nuclear capability. The losses I have seen modeled (low grade nuke in Times Square) make the hair on your neck stand up. Immediate loss of life of over 1 million. And that's the good news. I can't think of anything more in our vital national interests than preventing nuclear proliferation.

Yeah and if Israel would comply with the treaties tjen maybe we would have more leverage with Iran but they won't.

 

[skol asylum]

What does the R stand for in NBCR? Never heard that letter added before.

Nuclear, Biological, Chemical, ?

Rabbits from Monty Python and the Holy Grail?

 

[Aerial Assault]

What does the R stand for in NBCR? Never heard that letter added before.

Nuclear, Biological, Chemical, ?

Rabbits from Monty Python and the Holy Grail?

Radiological.

 

[General Tso]

What does the R stand for in NBCR? Never heard that letter added before.

Nuclear, Biological, Chemical, ?

Rabbits from Monty Python and the Holy Grail?

Radiological. Dirty bomb.

 

[Fennis]

New Beginnings Cat Rescue

 

[cstu]

Any doubt they would drop one on Israel if they had one?

They would not. It's stupid to think they would.

 

[cstu]

I've been part of a team that has had to model terrorism attacks in the US, particularly wide area events involving NBCR. In my opinion it is non-negotiable when it comes to Iran obtaining a nuclear capability. The losses I have seen modeled (low grade nuke in Times Square) make the hair on your neck stand up. Immediate loss of life of over 1 million. And that's the good news. I can't think of anything more in our vital national interests than preventing nuclear proliferation.

Pakistan and North Korea have them yet people get all up in arms over the idea that Iran has them.

 

[cstu]

Iran has never proven to be irrational. They know full well if they nuke Israel we would end them. It isn't going to happen and in fact Israeli intelligence says the opposite of what Netanyahu has been saying on Iran's capabilities.

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[cstu]

With Iran's utter lack of respect for life, including their own people I think it's a given.

Clueless.

 

[mr roboto]

Never beat cocks rusty?

 

[General Tso]

I've been part of a team that has had to model terrorism attacks in the US, particularly wide area events involving NBCR. In my opinion it is non-negotiable when it comes to Iran obtaining a nuclear capability. The losses I have seen modeled (low grade nuke in Times Square) make the hair on your neck stand up. Immediate loss of life of over 1 million. And that's the good news. I can't think of anything more in our vital national interests than preventing nuclear proliferation.

Pakistan and North Korea have them yet people get all up in arms over the idea that Iran has them.

You trying to make us feel better?Nice pun by the way.

 

[General Tso]

From the Constitution of the Islamic Repblic of Iran:

An Ideological Army

In the formation and equipping of the country's defence forces, due attention must be paid to faith and ideology as the basic criteria. Accordingly, the Army of the Islamic Republic of Iran and the Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps are to be organized in conformity with this goal, and they will be responsible not only for guarding and preserving the frontiers of the country, but also for fulfilling the ideological mission of jihad in God's way; that is, extending the sovereignty of God's law throughout the world (this is in accordance with the Koranic verse "Prepare against them whatever force you are able to muster, and strings of horses, striking fear into the enemy of God and your enemy, and others besides them" [8:60]).

 

[Fennis]

is the concern they have horses?

 

[General Tso]

is the concern they have horses?

Nah, Caspian horses are actually quite tame and kind. Wonderful animals.

 

[Leviathan]

Nucular? See...this is why I....

Never mind.

 

[squidrope]

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[Jayrok]

They would not. But they may try to use it as a threat to provoke an offensive action from Israel so that they can use it and claim self defense.

 

[Sinn Fein]

From the Constitution of the Islamic Repblic of Iran:

An Ideological Army

In the formation and equipping of the country's defence forces, due attention must be paid to faith and ideology as the basic criteria. Accordingly, the Army of the Islamic Republic of Iran and the Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps are to be organized in conformity with this goal, and they will be responsible not only for guarding and preserving the frontiers of the country, but also for fulfilling the ideological mission of jihad in God's way; that is, extending the sovereignty of God's law throughout the world (this is in accordance with the Koranic verse "Prepare against them whatever force you are able to muster, and strings of horses, striking fear into the enemy of God and your enemy, and others besides them" [8:60]).

thats weird that their constitution is in English.

 

[TPW]

An intensely anti-Semitic, holocaust-denying nation of 77 million people; a nation with a regime that has a lengthy history of state sponsored terrorism and a belief in the apocalyptic prophecies surrounding the 12th Imam is headed toward the acquisition of nuclear weaponry? What could possibly go wrong?

 

[kentric]

From the Constitution of the Islamic Repblic of Iran:

An Ideological Army

In the formation and equipping of the country's defence forces, due attention must be paid to faith and ideology as the basic criteria. Accordingly, the Army of the Islamic Republic of Iran and the Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps are to be organized in conformity with this goal, and they will be responsible not only for guarding and preserving the frontiers of the country, but also for fulfilling the ideological mission of jihad in God's way; that is, extending the sovereignty of God's law throughout the world (this is in accordance with the Koranic verse "Prepare against them whatever force you are able to muster, and strings of horses, striking fear into the enemy of God and your enemy, and others besides them" [8:60]).

thats weird that their constitution is in English.

The interpreter took poetic liberties on the translation.

They are actually saying, we love everyone and want to be best friends with the world.

 

[Jack White]

An intensely anti-Semitic, holocaust-denying nation of 77 million people; a nation with a regime that has a lengthy history of state sponsored terrorism and a belief in the apocalyptic prophecies surrounding the 12th Imam is headed toward the acquisition of nuclear weaponry? What could possibly go wrong?

Big Michael Savage fan, I presume?

 

[rockaction]

An intensely anti-Semitic, holocaust-denying nation of 77 million people; a nation with a regime that has a lengthy history of state sponsored terrorism and a belief in the apocalyptic prophecies surrounding the 12th Imam is headed toward the acquisition of nuclear weaponry? What could possibly go wrong?

Big Michael Savage fan, I presume?

No, you don't have to be extreme to take other people's declarations seriously. I don't think that ascribing everything one doesn't agree with anymore to some sort of bogeyman -- say, liberal academia or conservative talk radio -- is going to work for much longer. It seems almost…dead. I could be wrong, but it would seem that discussions begin and end on the merits these days, and snark and clown noses off/on is dying its beautiful last gasping breath of certitude on both sides.

 

[pantherclub]

I think one has to be a bit slow if you actually think that Iran would use a nuke if they had it.

 

[rockaction]

I think one has to be a bit slow if you actually think that Iran would use a nuke if they had it.

The foreign policy advantage is not in the use, it's in the having, and the having determines which voices get heard on the international stage. Iran's voice -- the voice of virulent terroristic activities, anti-semitism, anti-feminism, and anti-Westernism is not a voice we'd like to hear if one puts America's interests first.

 

[pantherclub]

I think one has to be a bit slow if you actually think that Iran would use a nuke if they had it.

The foreign policy advantage is not in the use, it's in the having, and the having determines which voices get heard on the international stage. Iran's voice -- the voice of virulent terroristic activities, anti-semitism, anti-feminism, and anti-Westernism is not a voice we'd like to hear if one puts America's interests first.

thats great but the OP didnt reference that

Iran is eventually going to get one, its naive to think not and to try and play keep away. We should change our strategy.

 

[Apple Jack]

Its like a segment of the american population never read the boy who cried wolf and still somehow failed to learn that lesson.

 

[rockaction]

Its like a segment of the american population never read the boy who cried wolf and still somehow failed to learn that lesson.

Believe it or not, there were plenty of neocons that thought Iraq was the wrong country to focus our -- ahem -- diplomatic energies on after 9/11. Bush and Cheney went a different direction, and dragged everyone in that movement with them, much to their ultimate undoing. Whether this is relevant enough for those with differing politics, who knows?

 

[Sinn Fein]

Its like a segment of the american population never read the boy who cried wolf and still somehow failed to learn that lesson.

So, if the never read it, how would they learn it?

 

[TPW]

I think one has to be a bit slow if you actually think that Iran would use a nuke if they had it.

The foreign policy advantage is not in the use, it's in the having, and the having determines which voices get heard on the international stage. Iran's voice -- the voice of virulent terroristic activities, anti-semitism, anti-feminism, and anti-Westernism is not a voice we'd like to hear if one puts America's interests first.

thats great but the OP didnt reference that

Iran is eventually going to get one, its naive to think not and to try and play keep away. We should change our strategy.

Thank God attitudes like yours did not dominate during the Cold War or else we'd still be manning up against the Soviets across the world. "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing."

 

[Sinn Fein]

I think one has to be a bit slow if you actually think that Iran would use a nuke if they had it.

The foreign policy advantage is not in the use, it's in the having, and the having determines which voices get heard on the international stage. Iran's voice -- the voice of virulent terroristic activities, anti-semitism, anti-feminism, and anti-Westernism is not a voice we'd like to hear if one puts America's interests first.

Do you really think North Korea has a "voice" on the international stage?

 

[rockaction]

I think one has to be a bit slow if you actually think that Iran would use a nuke if they had it.

The foreign policy advantage is not in the use, it's in the having, and the having determines which voices get heard on the international stage. Iran's voice -- the voice of virulent terroristic activities, anti-semitism, anti-feminism, and anti-Westernism is not a voice we'd like to hear if one puts America's interests first.

Do you really think North Korea has a "voice" on the international stage?

Ask South Korea about that.

eta* Also ask Madeleine Albright. Wasn't she the belle of the NoKo ball back during the Clinton years?

They sure as heck did and do have leverage.

 

[Sinn Fein]

I think one has to be a bit slow if you actually think that Iran would use a nuke if they had it.

The foreign policy advantage is not in the use, it's in the having, and the having determines which voices get heard on the international stage. Iran's voice -- the voice of virulent terroristic activities, anti-semitism, anti-feminism, and anti-Westernism is not a voice we'd like to hear if one puts America's interests first.

thats great but the OP didnt reference that

Iran is eventually going to get one, its naive to think not and to try and play keep away. We should change our strategy.

Thank God attitudes like yours did not dominate during the Cold War or else we'd still be manning up against the Soviets across the world. "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing."

There seems to be a disconnect in your conversation.

 

[Apple Jack]

Its like a segment of the american population never read the boy who cried wolf and still somehow failed to learn that lesson.

So, if the never read it, how would they learn it?

Years of constantly declaring impending doom and being demontrably proven wrong? Then not understanding why nobody takes them seriously when they actually bring something legit. (see also: chicken little)

 

[Jack White]

An intensely anti-Semitic, holocaust-denying nation of 77 million people; a nation with a regime that has a lengthy history of state sponsored terrorism and a belief in the apocalyptic prophecies surrounding the 12th Imam is headed toward the acquisition of nuclear weaponry? What could possibly go wrong?

Big Michael Savage fan, I presume?

No, you don't have to be extreme to take other people's declarations seriously. I don't think that ascribing everything one doesn't agree with anymore to some sort of bogeyman -- say, liberal academia or conservative talk radio -- is going to work for much longer. It seems almost…dead. I could be wrong, but it would seem that discussions begin and end on the merits these days, and snark and clown noses off/on is dying its beautiful last gasping breath of certitude on both sides.

Eloquent prose, to be sure.

One thing sticks out: ". . . take other people's declarations seriously."

I think actions are far more revealing than rhetoric.

According to US analysts, Iran stopped work on a nuclear weapon in 2003.

It hasn't invaded another country in over 200 years.

Meanwhile, Israel has not signed the NPT and has nuclear weapons that have never been inspected.

 

[Sinn Fein]

I think one has to be a bit slow if you actually think that Iran would use a nuke if they had it.

Eventually someone will use a Nuke - they are not a deterrent if nobody believes you will use it. Somebody will be dared, maybe even double-dog dared, and it will happen.

 

[pantherclub]

I think one has to be a bit slow if you actually think that Iran would use a nuke if they had it.

Eventually someone will use a Nuke - they are not a deterrent if nobody believes you will use it. Somebody will be dared, maybe even double-dog dared, and it will happen.

no because everyone knows what the repercussions would be

 

[TPW]

I think one has to be a bit slow if you actually think that Iran would use a nuke if they had it.

The foreign policy advantage is not in the use, it's in the having, and the having determines which voices get heard on the international stage. Iran's voice -- the voice of virulent terroristic activities, anti-semitism, anti-feminism, and anti-Westernism is not a voice we'd like to hear if one puts America's interests first.

thats great but the OP didnt reference that

Iran is eventually going to get one, its naive to think not and to try and play keep away. We should change our strategy.

Thank God attitudes like yours did not dominate during the Cold War or else we'd still be manning up against the Soviets across the world. "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing."

There seems to be a disconnect in your conversation.

Negotiating with a hostile nation which has repeatedly, openly declared quasi-genocidal intent with respect to one of its neighbors, an ally of the United States, while simultaneously excluding said ally from involvement in said negotiations is not what I would call a viable strategy.