Iran w/ a nucular bomb (1 Viewer)

[Sinn Fein]

If I am being honest here, I am not the slightest bit worried about losing my head. Bomb or no bomb.

Look I get it - we are on top, why would we want anyone to topple us. Nobody wants that, but it is inevitable. Iraq was once the cradle of civilization, now look at it...

Try telling a group of people that even though we all inhabit this planet, certain people have more privileges than others - based on race/color/nationality - your choice. I mean we tried that in the past, but it did not stick...

 

[shadrap]

If I am being honest here, I am not the slightest bit worried about losing my head. Bomb or no bomb.

Look I get it - we are on top, why would we want anyone to topple us. Nobody wants that, but it is inevitable. Iraq was once the cradle of civilization, now look at it...

Try telling a group of people that even though we all inhabit this planet, certain people have more privileges than others - based on race/color/nationality - your choice. I mean we tried that in the past, but it did not stick...

Goody for you. I would hope then that the majority would have tolerance for different religion, race, political views, human rights, freedom from oppression, & freedom of speech. The countries you have no problem with getting a nuclear bomb have a few problems with the previously mentioned caveats.

 

[shadrap]

As far as not worried about losing your head, I'd advise not traveling too much abroad or helping in a hospital in Syria. Peace corp. I wouldn't recommend either.

 

[matuski]

If I am being honest here, I am not the slightest bit worried about losing my head. Bomb or no bomb.

Look I get it - we are on top, why would we want anyone to topple us. Nobody wants that, but it is inevitable. Iraq was once the cradle of civilization, now look at it...

Try telling a group of people that even though we all inhabit this planet, certain people have more privileges than others - based on race/color/nationality - your choice. I mean we tried that in the past, but it did not stick...

Goody for you. I would hope then that the majority would have tolerance for different religion, race, political views, human rights, freedom from oppression, & freedom of speech. The countries you have no problem with getting a nuclear bomb have a few problems with the previously mentioned caveats.

You aren't going to stop a country from getting a nuke. Whining about their religious tolerance is one awful plan.

Also - don't forget that we are the ones that eliminated Iran's largest counter balance to power in the ME.

 

[shadrap]

Not "whining" about anyone's religious tolerance. Don't have to, it's a fact. I am not a "nation building" guy. It's an entire ####fest of epic proportions in the middle east. Always has been. Let them duke it out, but DON'T let them have the bomb if it's in our capability. They(most) have proven themselves to have no tolerance for anything except Muslim.

 

[shadrap]

Whirlwind tour of Beirut & surrounding sites probably not a good idea either.

 

[matuski]

Not "whining" about anyone's religious tolerance. Don't have to, it's a fact. I am not a "nation building" guy. It's an entire ####fest of epic proportions in the middle east. Always has been. Let them duke it out, but DON'T let them have the bomb if it's in our capability. They(most) have proven themselves to have no tolerance for anything except Muslim.

It is not in our capability to stop it anymore than it ever was for us to instill democracy in the region.

 

[shadrap]

It is in our capacity to stop it & we should. Our endeavor to establish democracy has been an abject failure. Too many traditions, religions, & stuff we don't understand over there. Too many lives lost on all sides of humanity. History is a great teacher if we are humble enough to learn from it.

 

[General Tso]

It is in our capacity to stop it & we should. Our endeavor to establish democracy has been an abject failure. Too many traditions, religions, & stuff we don't understand over there. Too many lives lost on all sides of humanity. History is a great teacher if we are humble enough to learn from it.

Irishidiot needs to change his name. Yes we can stop it, and we should. You bomb the sites where the development is taking place, you assassinate the nuclear scientists - all stuff we have done and will continue to do. We've even used cyber-terrorism (stuxnet).

There's varying estimates on how long it would take after a bombing campaign for Iran to reconstitute their nuclear program. Obama folks have been saying it would only buy us 1-3 years but a lot of people think that's bs and say it's more like 5 years. Either way, you make it clear that if reconstitution of the program begins, the same bombing happens in a couple years. It's what we should have done with North Korea, and what we should do with any country that goes down this path.

 

[NCCommish]

It is in our capacity to stop it & we should. Our endeavor to establish democracy has been an abject failure. Too many traditions, religions, & stuff we don't understand over there. Too many lives lost on all sides of humanity. History is a great teacher if we are humble enough to learn from it.

Irishidiot needs to change his name. Yes we can stop it, and we should. You bomb the sites where the development is taking place, you assassinate the nuclear scientists - all stuff we have done and will continue to do. We've even used cyber-terrorism (stuxnet).There's varying estimates on how long it would take after a bombing campaign for Iran to reconstitute their nuclear program. Obama folks have been saying it would only buy us 1-3 years but a lot of people think that's bs and say it's more like 5 years. Either way, you make it clear that if reconstitution of the program begins, the same bombing happens in a couple years. It's what we should have done with North Korea, and what we should do with any country that goes down this path.

Iran learned their lesson last time. Military experts say it would be nearly impossible to take out their capacity with just bombs. Further any attempt would then harden their resolve to go forward. And assassination? Seriously you want to murder people who have done nothing to us? Yeah I bet that won't lead to backlash. Do you spend one minute thinking beyond shock and awe? By the way are you and your kids signing up to be boots on the ground?

 

[shadrap]

"Iran learned their lesson last time". WTF-did they learn? No boots on the ground either. Just let Israel bomb the nuke sites & we cover their ###. Or something along those lines. Maybe Michelle can do a hashtag thing with a sad face saying, "please no bomb".

Iran with a Nuke? What can go wrong?

 

[Short Corner]

I think one has to be a bit slow if you actually think that Iran would use a nuke if they had it.

The foreign policy advantage is not in the use, it's in the having, and the having determines which voices get heard on the international stage. Iran's voice -- the voice of virulent terroristic activities, anti-semitism, anti-feminism, and anti-Westernism is not a voice we'd like to hear if one puts America's interests first.

thats great but the OP didnt reference that

Iran is eventually going to get one, its naive to think not and to try and play keep away. We should change our strategy.

Thank God attitudes like yours did not dominate during the Cold War or else we'd still be manning up against the Soviets across the world. "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing."

There seems to be a disconnect in your conversation.

Negotiating with a hostile nation which has repeatedly, openly declared quasi-genocidal intent with respect to one of its neighbors, an ally of the United States, while simultaneously excluding said ally from involvement in said negotiations is not what I would call a viable strategy.

Given Israel's status regarding nukes, why should their input be required in any negotiations regarding other nations seeking nuclear power?

 

[Short Corner]

What is our response? Are we going to launch a salvo of nukes against impoverished civilians who had nothing to do with the strike? seems rather barbaric, doesn't it?

So you haven't been paying attentionto our foreign policy the past 20+ years?

 

[pantherclub]

I don't think Iran would ever use a nuke. But would they ever allow one to "slip through their fingers" to terrorists? I would assume that's the bigger question.

but they are one and the same no? If Iran has a nuke "slip through their fingers" to terrorists then they would be punished just the same.

 

[NCCommish]

"Iran learned their lesson last time". WTF-did they learn? No boots on the ground either. Just let Israel bomb the nuke sites & we cover their ###. Or something along those lines. Maybe Michelle can do a hashtag thing with a sad face saying, "please no bomb".

Iran with a Nuke? What can go wrong?

They learned to bury their sites deeper and harden them better. And yes if you really want to halt nuclear development in Iran it will take a full invasion and boots on the ground or you are just peeing into the wind.

 

[Sinn Fein]

What is our response? Are we going to launch a salvo of nukes against impoverished civilians who had nothing to do with the strike? seems rather barbaric, doesn't it?

So you haven't been paying attentionto our foreign policy the past 20+ years?

I confess I must have missed when we launched a nuclear attack in the last 20 30 40 50 60 years

Just because we have the capability does not mean we will, or should retaliate in kind. Who wins in that scenario? Not us. Not them.

We would certainly strike back at anyone responsible - but the response will be far more measured than simply leveling a few cities indiscriminately.

 

[NCCommish]

What is our response? Are we going to launch a salvo of nukes against impoverished civilians who had nothing to do with the strike? seems rather barbaric, doesn't it?

So you haven't been paying attentionto our foreign policy the past 20+ years?

I confess I must have missed when we launched a nuclear attack in the last 20 30 40 50 60 years

Just because we have the capability does not mean we will, or should retaliate in kind. Who wins in that scenario? Not us. Not them.

We would certainly strike back at anyone responsible - but the response will be far more measured than simply leveling a few cities indiscriminately.

We could level the entire country without any nukes. The aircraft carriers in the Gulf are more than up to the task. And the Iranians know it.

 

[Short Corner]

What is our response? Are we going to launch a salvo of nukes against impoverished civilians who had nothing to do with the strike? seems rather barbaric, doesn't it?

So you haven't been paying attentionto our foreign policy the past 20+ years?

I confess I must have missed when we launched a nuclear attack in the last 20 30 40 50 60 years

Just because we have the capability does not mean we will, or should retaliate in kind. Who wins in that scenario? Not us. Not them.

We would certainly strike back at anyone responsible - but the response will be far more measured than simply leveling a few cities indiscriminately.

We have had no problem bombing the #### out of civilians in the past. You think we are going to change that if we get nuked?

 

[MC Gas Money]

If iran used a nuke then clearly we would need to retaliate against turkmenistan