Is Anyone Planning to Upside Down Draft this Year? (1 Viewer)

[Landro21]

I'm in a 10 team 2 keeper league...but this year I'm only keeping 1 which means I'll have the second pick. My keeper is Calvin and it looks like I'm going to have Dez, Graham and Forte to choose from.

I was going through the draft order and what people in my league are keeping and there's a legitimate chance that I could end up with Calvin, Dez and one of Andre, Fitz, Vjax or Roddy. I'm tempted but will probably chicken out.

 

[steveski]

I'm in a 10 team 2 keeper league...but this year I'm only keeping 1 which means I'll have the second pick. My keeper is Calvin and it looks like I'm going to have Dez, Graham and Forte to choose from.

I was going through the draft order and what people in my league are keeping and there's a legitimate chance that I could end up with Calvin, Dez and one of Andre, Fitz, Vjax or Roddy. I'm tempted but will probably chicken out.

Then why not take Graham and end up with Andre, Fitz, VJax or Roddy?

 

[Landro21]

I'm in a 10 team 2 keeper league...but this year I'm only keeping 1 which means I'll have the second pick. My keeper is Calvin and it looks like I'm going to have Dez, Graham and Forte to choose from.

I was going through the draft order and what people in my league are keeping and there's a legitimate chance that I could end up with Calvin, Dez and one of Andre, Fitz, Vjax or Roddy. I'm tempted but will probably chicken out.

Then why not take Graham and end up with Andre, Fitz, VJax or Roddy?

Yeah I agree. Graham would be my first choice. I was just going off the most likely scenario which would probably be Dez.

 

[Kenny Powers]

I think if you pick 1.1, you might fall into an Upside Down situation as well.

I drafted this morning in a ten team league ( 8 bench slots with IDP)

QB, WR, WR, WR, RB, RB, TE, W/T, W/R, K

1.1 Adrian Peterson

2.10 Julio Jones

3.1 Brandon Marshall

4.10 Eddie Lacy

5.1 Giovanni Bernard

6.10 Robert Griffin III

7.1 Andrew Luck

8.10 David Wilson

9.1 Daryl Richardson

10.10 DeMarco Murray

11.1 Josh Gordon

12.10 Danny Woodhead

13.1 Jordan Cameron

14.10 Alshon Jeffrey

15.1 Michael Floyd

16.10 DeAndre Hopkins

17.1 Rob Housler

Is this a 10 team league with 4th grade special needs children?

 

[Long Ball Larry]

I think if you pick 1.1, you might fall into an Upside Down situation as well.

I drafted this morning in a ten team league ( 8 bench slots with IDP)

QB, WR, WR, WR, RB, RB, TE, W/T, W/R, K

1.1 Adrian Peterson

2.10 Julio Jones

3.1 Brandon Marshall

4.10 Eddie Lacy

5.1 Giovanni Bernard

6.10 Robert Griffin III

7.1 Andrew Luck

8.10 David Wilson

9.1 Daryl Richardson

10.10 DeMarco Murray

11.1 Josh Gordon

12.10 Danny Woodhead

13.1 Jordan Cameron

14.10 Alshon Jeffrey

15.1 Michael Floyd

16.10 DeAndre Hopkins

17.1 Rob Housler

Is this a 10 team league with 4th grade special needs children?

fair question.

 

[bucsbaby]

I've changed my view a little bit, especially for leagues with shallow benches. I think if you have deep benches, that upside down drafting is still viable, but, with shallow benches, I do think it's better to get 2 RBs early. Definitely want a QB before the 6th round though. I'd be happy to go RB/RB/QB or RB/QB/RB and look for value at WR/TE as it drops over the course of the next 4 rounds. I know everyone preaches to wait on QB this year, but, as a result, it's possible to land Brees/Rodgers late 2nd, Manning in the 3rd, Brady/Cam in the 4th, and Ryan in the 5th...I think a lot of people who draft Ryan in the 5th will win it all this year. Honourable mention to RG3 in the 6th if he stays healthy all season.

 

[mbuehner]

No definition known to man of 'upside down draft' includes drafting Adrian Peterson with the first pick.

 

[void]

Heck I am picking 4th in my 10 team 2 qb PPR league and I'm seriously considering Calvin at the 4 spot since I think I can still land a solid RB 1 in round 2 or even another top WR

 

[DexterDew]

I just drew 10th in a redraft... will likely do an upside down draft. Probably won't consider RB until 4th, maybe 5th

Tried something like it in an auction when I started Fitz, Dez, White ($200 cap PPR, paid $21 for Murray and $15 for Vereen)

 

[ebsteelers]

Its alway good to go in with a strategy but you need to be loose with it, as when the bullets start flying things can change alot

You might wanna go in with that strategy using the above poster as an example at the ten spot and say im going jimmy at 10 and dez at 15 (example)

but then all of a sudden your turn to pick at 10 and trent or one of your top backs is starting at you in the mug..

Have a plan but be on your toes!

 

[Man of Zen]

No definition known to man of 'upside down draft' includes drafting Adrian Peterson with the first pick.

Well, to be fair, he only took RB's 3 of the first 5 rounds.

 

[tpuffer51]

Why wouldn't you consider going upside down in the bottom 3 picks this year? With all the teams doing RBBC you can still get solid points from those backs that you take later. Not to mention the volitility of RBs scoring in the top 15 each year. If you hit on just one of those later guys as a stud, you will be set as you will have a huge WR advantage already. I have drafted at the turn or close to it and have been able to get Dez/Green/Marshall/Julio is some combination consistently. Then at the 3/4 turn pick-up Murry/Wilson(being sure to get Dunbar to handcuff Wilson). Then at 5/6 snag Vereen, or a 2 WR combo.

 

[Ilov80s]

Why wouldn't you consider going upside down in the bottom 3 picks this year? .

Because you could draft some combo of McCoy/Morris/Ridley/Richardson/Rice/CJ2K/SJax/MJD and have two high quality RBs.

 

[DexterDew]

for me, the whole point of the upside down draft is to reduce the bust rate in the first couple of rounds. If I am Top 7 or 8, I'll take a RB. But if I have a choice between a Top 4 WR or the likes of CJ/SJax/MJD/Ridley and maybe Morris in a PPR, I'm going with the stud WR.

 

[Ariakis]

I just finished a PPR draft picking 10th of 12 ... my first of the year. Megatron and the top 8 RB's were gone.

I decided to take Forte over Dez and then followed that up with Green, White, and Gronk before settling in for Lacy, Bradshaw, Deangelo, and Pierce to round out my RB corps and Shorts/MFloyd and Kaepernick at QB/WR.

I kind of wish I went TSmith over Kaep as I would have likely gotten Wilson but then lost either Shorts or Bradshaw.

All the buzz sleeper TE/WR's flew off the board in the 7-9 range instead of 10+ which surprised me a bit as they've gone from end of the draft sleepers to guys that HAVE to hit or your team suffers (Cameron, Sudfeld, Randle, etc).

In hindsight I should have taken another WR instead of Pierce but in this format we only start 1 RB/1WR and 2 WR/RB flex and finding a usable PPR WR3 isn't that hard. I took Gronk because all of the other picks in the 4th were difference makers.

In hindsight I should have taken Finley over kaepernick perhaps given the TE run but I'm not sure I would have gotten Wilson.

Should I have gone with Dez and gone completely upside down? Probably best to have that one foundation back. The guy that picked 11th started with Dez/Graham/Amendola but Bell as his RB1 probably dooms him.

 

[ebsteelers]

I just finished a PPR draft picking 10th of 12 ... my first of the year. Megatron and the top 8 RB's were gone.

I decided to take Forte over Dez and then followed that up with Green, White, and Gronk before settling in for Lacy, Bradshaw, Deangelo, and Pierce to round out my RB corps and Shorts/MFloyd and Kaepernick at QB/WR.

I kind of wish I went TSmith over Kaep as I would have likely gotten Wilson but then lost either Shorts or Bradshaw.

All the buzz sleeper TE/WR's flew off the board in the 7-9 range instead of 10+ which surprised me a bit as they've gone from end of the draft sleepers to guys that HAVE to hit or your team suffers (Cameron, Sudfeld, Randle, etc).

In hindsight I should have taken another WR instead of Pierce but in this format we only start 1 RB/1WR and 2 WR/RB flex and finding a usable PPR WR3 isn't that hard. I took Gronk because all of the other picks in the 4th were difference makers.

In hindsight I should have taken Finley over kaepernick perhaps given the TE run but I'm not sure I would have gotten Wilson.

Should I have gone with Dez and gone completely upside down? Probably best to have that one foundation back. The guy that picked 11th started with Dez/Graham/Amendola but Bell as his RB1 probably dooms him.

well the good thing is.. if your sleepers that are suppose to go in rounds 10 or later are going in 7,8,9 it means.. the guys who you like in 7,8,9 you might be able to steal in round 10 11ish

 

[Junior McSpiffy]

No definition known to man of 'upside down draft' includes drafting Adrian Peterson with the first pick.

So upside down drafting means you must throw out common sense just to conform to a model? Ummm.... okay.....

 

[Junior McSpiffy]

If I am in the middle of the round, I'll stick to VBD, but if I have one of the first 3 or last 3 picks in a round, I'll go upside-down. More than any year I can remember, there seems to be pools of "guys" just lumped together. This mass of WR fingerquote-depth-fingerquote is just a code word to me for guys nobody can get excited about. If I am in the middle and know my next pick is ten picks away, I'll go VBD and know I will still have some value coming back to me. But if I am on one of the turns and won't get my next pick is twenty players away, I will take the top-tier players from a position that hasn't been picked over and see what I can cobble together from the scraps are left coming back later. Odds are there will be a RB sleeper where I like the value more in round six more than the value I feel I'd get out of those guys after the elite have been picked over. Not saying they will produce better.... but I will like the value better at that spot.

 

[Man of Zen]

No definition known to man of 'upside down draft' includes drafting Adrian Peterson with the first pick.

So upside down drafting means you must throw out common sense just to conform to a model? Ummm.... okay.....

What?

Upside down drafting is a model. That doesn't make it good, bad or otherwise. If you abandon the model for reasons of logic, that doesn't make you a fool, it makes you a better drafter. But it doesn't make you an upside down drafter.

 

[Long Ball Larry]

No definition known to man of 'upside down draft' includes drafting Adrian Peterson with the first pick.

Was thinking about that and also curious why he didn't draft and defensive players, but didn't want to have to read 60000 words to find out.

 

[ebsteelers]

the most recent draft that i did from the 11 hole, was closest i've been to upside down

1) jimmy graham

2) aj green

3) darren sproles

4) Gronk

5) Vereen

6) steve smith

7) steve johnson

8) gio bernard

9) sidney rice (auto draft computer froze)

10) russell wilson

11) woodhead

cant remember everyone off hand in a row but something like this

and a lot rb depth after that. (fred jackson, daniel thomas, dujuan harris, reece, jocqiue bell)

qb alex smith

wr broyles

qb russell wilson

rb sproles vereen

wr green smith

te graham

2 flex when healthy gronk and gio, or gio and i think steve johnson or ryan broyles

kicker bullock

defense my committee

rate my team gave me an 80% chance of making the playoffs

I dont think its a bad team by any mean, I think it has a lot of potential but could also be a complete bust, if sproles and verreen arent catching alot of balls..

But its also not a true upside down theory and it could be really good if sproles and vereen put up rb 1 numbers (its ppr), and gio becomes the guy full time, along with gronk being healthy by week 3 (lots of ifs)

Gronk I think could be the make or break on that team.. opinions are welcomed on this sort of upside down theory

 

[bucsbaby]

No definition known to man of 'upside down draft' includes drafting Adrian Peterson with the first pick.

So upside down drafting means you must throw out common sense just to conform to a model? Ummm.... okay.....

What?

Upside down drafting is a model. That doesn't make it good, bad or otherwise. If you abandon the model for reasons of logic, that doesn't make you a fool, it makes you a better drafter. But it doesn't make you an upside down drafter.

 

[mbuehner]

No definition known to man of 'upside down draft' includes drafting Adrian Peterson with the first pick.

So upside down drafting means you must throw out common sense just to conform to a model? Ummm.... okay.....

You keep using that word...

 

[Kenny Powers]

No definition known to man of 'upside down draft' includes drafting Adrian Peterson with the first pick.

Was thinking about that and also curious why he didn't draft and defensive players, but didn't want to have to read 60000 words to find out.

I think if you pick 1.1, you might fall into an Upside Down situation as well.

I drafted this morning in a ten team league ( 8 bench slots with IDP)

QB, WR, WR, WR, RB, RB, TE, W/T, W/R, K

1.1 Adrian Peterson

2.10 Julio Jones

3.1 Brandon Marshall

4.10 Eddie Lacy

5.1 Giovanni Bernard

6.10 Robert Griffin III

7.1 Andrew Luck

8.10 David Wilson

9.1 Daryl Richardson

10.10 DeMarco Murray

11.1 Josh Gordon

12.10 Danny Woodhead

13.1 Jordan Cameron

14.10 Alshon Jeffrey

15.1 Michael Floyd

16.10 DeAndre Hopkins

17.1 Rob Housler

Is this a 10 team league with 4th grade special needs children?

The weight for scoring for IDPs is actually pretty strong. Let's say I could get Cameron Wake on defense instead of Jordan Cameron at 13.1, there's a good chance in this league Wake might outscore Cameron.

Generally with IDP, the talent gaps are more like the NBA, but the top guys come with a lot of boom/bust. Last year Trent Cole would have been seen as a good value early IDP pick by some. Top guys off the board would have been Jason Paul Pierre and Jared Allen. However when you invest a high pick in IDP, you are more hesitant to move on from a guy if he's not panning out. I picked IDPs last in this league because I want the freedom to stream defensive players without factoring in what I paid in the draft to get them. I'm sure Larry Fitz owners last year had that same problem. They hoped he would break out somehow, but probably ate 3-4 weeks of dismal production when they should have probably cut him far earlier on draft/name pedigree alone.

I agree with the bolded in the 2nd paragraph here, but IDP guys are typically not very boom/bust. DL to a degree since theyre more dependent on sacks, but the best LBs and DBs are consistent enough year to year where they dont bust (barring injury).

I dont how how "strongly" weighted the scoring is for IDPs is in your league, but they must be weighted enough where you should be drafting more than 0 in your first 17 picks. A third of your picks dropped so far its absurd so that notwithstanding, I get waiting for IDPs, in my non-PPR leagues a good LB or DB you can pretty much write in ink 8pts and many weeks double digits, but Im usually ahead of the curve and dont feel like I have to join an IDP run or make sure I grab an elite guy so I wait a little for them. That said, I still sprinkle in an IDP here and there when I dont like any offensive player that round that should be gone by my next pick. Basically sounds like youre playing IDPBC in a league with high IDP scoring.

 

[tone1oc]

I tried the upside down approach this year in a 12 team .5 ppr league.

1. (8) Trent Richardson

2. (17) Dez Bryant

3. (32) Roddy White

4. (41) Dwayne Bowe

5. (56) Eddie Lacy

6. (65) Rob Gronkowski

7. (80) Shane Vereen

8. (89) Ben Tate

9. (104) Colin Kaepernick

10. (113) Fred Davis

11. (128) Kenbrell Thompkins

12. (137) Andy Dalton

13. (152) Christine Michael

14. (161) Nick Toon

15. (176) Roy Helu

16. (185) Jeremy Kerley

I was working during the draft so Davis was autodrafted at 10. How did I do?

 

[bucsbaby]

I don't think 2 RBs in the first 5 rounds constitutes upsidedown drafting

 

[ponchsox]

I don't think 2 RBs in the first 5 rounds constitutes upsidedown drafting

Maybe he was standing on his head while drafting?

 

[AcousticNut]

I'm strongly considering it. I'm drafting at the turn this year in a 12 team - non-PPR - ReDraft and really don't like my RB choices after the top 10 are gone. May go CJ / AJ at the turn and try to stock up on high-upside RBs later depending on how my league-mates draft.

 

[ponchsox]

I'm strongly considering it. I'm drafting at the turn this year in a 12 team - non-PPR - ReDraft and really don't like my RB choices after the top 10 are gone. May go CJ / AJ at the turn and try to stock up on high-upside RBs later depending on how my league-mates draft.

I was thinking the same as you as I drafted 11th but when Spiller fell to me that all went out the window. It all depends on what happens ahead of you. Let the draft come to you.

 

[bucsbaby]

I play in a 12 team ppr where QBs get 4 pts for tds. Start 1QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 1DST, 1K. Shallow benches, only 13 player roster.

Drafting out of the 5 spot on Yahoo, I mocked the following team:

1st -- Calvin

2nd -- Marshall

3rd -- Roddy

4th -- Gronk

5th -- Stafford (run on QBs)

6th -- Mendenhall

7th -- Bradshaw

8th -- DRich

9th -- Gostkowski

10th -- Green Bay

11th -- Hartline

12th -- Bradford

13th -- Pettigrew

Team (starters in bold):

QB: Stafford, Bradford

RB: Mendenhall, Bradshaw, DRich

WR: Calvin, Marshall, Roddy, Hartline

TE: Gronk, Pettigrew

DST: Green Bay

K: Gostkowski

Analysis:

People tend to go on autopick later in drafts, which screws up the flow a fair amount (K and DST go earlier). I think I could do better at TE2 and QB2 in my actual draft.

Using my league settings and VBD principles, I have a team assembled in this way to project at 7 pts per week higher than a team that opens with RBs in the first three rounds (when backups are also factored in).

Why this team could win it all:

With strength at QB, WR1, WR2, WR3, TE, DST, K, I would just need to hold serve at the RB positions to have a very strong squad. I think 2 from Mendenall, Bradshaw, and DRich would allow me to do just that.

Why this team could crash and burn:

If Gronk doesn't return to form by at least midseason. If Ariz is a trainwreck, Bradshaw gets hurt again, and either Stacy or Pead emerge to cut into DRich's workload significantly. If the Stafford to Calvin connection crashes and burns.

I would feel pretty good about my chances if I drafted this squad in my actual league.

 

[Short Corner]

I play in a 12 team ppr where QBs get 4 pts for tds. Start 1QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 1DST, 1K. Shallow benches, only 13 player roster.

Drafting out of the 5 spot on Yahoo, I mocked the following team:

1st -- Calvin

2nd -- Marshall

3rd -- Roddy

4th -- Gronk

5th -- Stafford (run on QBs)

6th -- Mendenhall

7th -- Bradshaw

8th -- DRich

9th -- Gostkowski

10th -- Green Bay

11th -- Hartline

12th -- Bradford

13th -- Pettigrew

Team (starters in bold):

QB: Stafford, Bradford

RB: Mendenhall, Bradshaw, DRich

WR: Calvin, Marshall, Roddy, Hartline

TE: Gronk, Pettigrew

DST: Green Bay

K: Gostkowski

Analysis:

People tend to go on autopick later in drafts, which screws up the flow a fair amount (K and DST go earlier). I think I could do better at TE2 and QB2 in my actual draft.

Using my league settings and VBD principles, I have a team assembled in this way to project at 7 pts per week higher than a team that opens with RBs in the first three rounds (when backups are also factored in).

Why this team could win it all:

With strength at QB, WR1, WR2, WR3, TE, DST, K, I would just need to hold serve at the RB positions to have a very strong squad. I think 2 from Mendenall, Bradshaw, and DRich would allow me to do just that.

Why this team could crash and burn:

If Gronk doesn't return to form by at least midseason. If Ariz is a trainwreck, Bradshaw gets hurt again, and either Stacy or Pead emerge to cut into DRich's workload significantly. If the Stafford to Calvin connection crashes and burns.

I would feel pretty good about my chances if I drafted this squad in my actual league.

I'd prefer a deeper bench if I were to up-side-down draft. One back up RB is rough.

 

[ponchsox]

I play in a 12 team ppr where QBs get 4 pts for tds. Start 1QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 1DST, 1K. Shallow benches, only 13 player roster.

Drafting out of the 5 spot on Yahoo, I mocked the following team:

1st -- Calvin

2nd -- Marshall

3rd -- Roddy

4th -- Gronk

5th -- Stafford (run on QBs)

6th -- Mendenhall

7th -- Bradshaw

8th -- DRich

9th -- Gostkowski

10th -- Green Bay

11th -- Hartline

12th -- Bradford

13th -- Pettigrew

Team (starters in bold):

QB: Stafford, Bradford

RB: Mendenhall, Bradshaw, DRich

WR: Calvin, Marshall, Roddy, Hartline

TE: Gronk, Pettigrew

DST: Green Bay

K: Gostkowski

Analysis:

People tend to go on autopick later in drafts, which screws up the flow a fair amount (K and DST go earlier). I think I could do better at TE2 and QB2 in my actual draft.

Using my league settings and VBD principles, I have a team assembled in this way to project at 7 pts per week higher than a team that opens with RBs in the first three rounds (when backups are also factored in).

Why this team could win it all:

With strength at QB, WR1, WR2, WR3, TE, DST, K, I would just need to hold serve at the RB positions to have a very strong squad. I think 2 from Mendenall, Bradshaw, and DRich would allow me to do just that.

Why this team could crash and burn:

If Gronk doesn't return to form by at least midseason. If Ariz is a trainwreck, Bradshaw gets hurt again, and either Stacy or Pead emerge to cut into DRich's workload significantly. If the Stafford to Calvin connection crashes and burns.

I would feel pretty good about my chances if I drafted this squad in my actual league.

DRich is your best RB.

 

[bucsbaby]

Yeah, I would prefer deeper benches for RB too, no doubt. I am also very high on DRich this year, but he also faces more competition (Pead, Stacy) than the other two. I'd be perfectly comfortable starting him as my RB1 though in this scenario.