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Is Carson Palmer underrated? (1 Viewer)
- Thread starter GroveDiesel
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That sucks. I know most people think he was washed up this year, but in reality the passing protection was the worst it's been since he came to Arizona. He's still got a cannon.
...I think the final answer to this thread's question was "yes." The guy played on the Bengals when they were a train wreck of a team with a WR1 who couldn't learn his routes on his next team. The only time he had a competent OC and surrounding players he blew up, but unfortunately that wasn't until age 35. His numbers in Oakland when he basically had 1 week to learn the playbook and DHB was his #1 WR were actually shockingly good.
...I think the final answer to this thread's question was "yes." The guy played on the Bengals when they were a train wreck of a team with a WR1 who couldn't learn his routes on his next team. The only time he had a competent OC and surrounding players he blew up, but unfortunately that wasn't until age 35. His numbers in Oakland when he basically had 1 week to learn the playbook and DHB was his #1 WR were actually shockingly good.
Mr. Irrelevant
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Among 79 QBs who have thrown at least 3,000 passes since the merger, Palmer ranks 14th in QB rating and 15th in ANY/A. That's very good even after you adjust for this century's league-wide upward trends.That sucks. I know most people think he was washed up this year, but in reality the passing protection was the worst it's been since he came to Arizona. He's still got a cannon.
He just happened to have the misfortune to be within 4 years of age of the guys sitting at Nos. 1, 3, 4, 5, 7, 9, and 10.
If memory serves, he also elected to not have Tommy John surgery after an elbow injury which seemed to really impact him for a year or two.
Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
Coach speak.
Cards will be competitive this year again, have a quality stable of receivers, and one of the better O-lines in the conference, if not the NFL.
They have traditionally been a pass-heavy offense but I imagine some of the gameplan to save Palmer down the stretch is shifting that philosophy to be even more run heavy given that DJ has proven he's not just a stud but one that can handle a heavy workload. Having a guy like Iupati, a quality run-blocker, to road grade in front of you makes the shift easier.
Sub 4K PY, sub 25 PTD, dropping Palmer from around Top 15 to just inside Top 25. Palmer has the squad and veteran wiles to definitely be a comeback factor, but my money is on the under, and for me, at least, makes other backup QB2s with upside (like Dalton or Stafford) more appealing to me.
Cards will be competitive this year again, have a quality stable of receivers, and one of the better O-lines in the conference, if not the NFL.
They have traditionally been a pass-heavy offense but I imagine some of the gameplan to save Palmer down the stretch is shifting that philosophy to be even more run heavy given that DJ has proven he's not just a stud but one that can handle a heavy workload. Having a guy like Iupati, a quality run-blocker, to road grade in front of you makes the shift easier.
Sub 4K PY, sub 25 PTD, dropping Palmer from around Top 15 to just inside Top 25. Palmer has the squad and veteran wiles to definitely be a comeback factor, but my money is on the under, and for me, at least, makes other backup QB2s with upside (like Dalton or Stafford) more appealing to me.
Really going out on a limb there to prefer the consensus QB14 or QB17 over QB21Stompin' Tom Connors said:
I kid, I know you probably weren't looking at an ADP when you made the comment, but the point I'm eventually getting to is that I think Palmer is excellent value at QB21. Things fell apart for the Cards last year, but they are returning 4 of 5 "starters" from last year - Mathis retired but the guy who subbed in for him for 15 games is returning. If the 5 starters can stay healthy, this could be a top unit. And people forget that Palmer finished 5th in fantasy points in 2015 yet ranked just 13th in pass attempts (even more impressive from a guy who doesn't run). If John Brown is really healthy and Jaron Brown can replace Floyd, I don't see why he can't surpass 4k and 30 PTD again. It only took him 538 passes to hit 4671 and 35 in 2015, so 4,000 and 30 should be within reach.
And not to derail this, but I'd like to advise you against Dalton. He just lost his best two offensive linemen. I know adding Ross has increased some people's interest in Dalton, but if Ross won't have time to get open before Dalton gets hit, it won't matter. Additionally, Green, Eifert, and Ross are not exactly the most durable guys.
OnTheReg
Footballguy
So Andrew Luck fell to me last night and I just couldn't pass on him. Thinking about Carson as a potential early season replacement off the wire. His early season schedule looks juicy:
at Detroit
at Indianapolis
Dallas
San Fran
Anyone else buying Carson for the first month?
at Detroit
at Indianapolis
Dallas
San Fran
Anyone else buying Carson for the first month?
JoeSteeler
Footballguy
OnTheReg
Footballguy
Glad I'm not the only one. So it's a two keeper league, and they're kept in whichever round they were originally drafted in, so it's not black and white really, but I ended up with Luck in the 7th. He was the 11th QB off the board (counting Brady and Cam as keepers), which I thought was crazy. Carr and Dak went ahead of him, I was all over him at that point.
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IheartGuinness
Footballguy
Anyone else going with Palmer tomorrow? He does seem like he could be a nice option for platooning this year, especially early on. I think this could be a good strategy, but week one is always so uncertain.
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I think I'm starting him in a couple leagues. I really loved the Palmer/Luck combo this year. Like the guy above mentioned, Palmer's early schedule meshes very well with Luck's expected missed time.
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
4th&inches
Footballguy
Starting him with Winston on his "bye" this week
VaTerp
Footballguy
Starting him this week. Platooning with Rivers
Went cheap on QBs in my auction and have the same combo. Hoping they both play more like they did in 2015 as opposed to 2016.
If the Cards can protect him I think Palmer has one more good year left. But that's a big if.
Starting him today and wishing for the best.
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Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
Rivers was 6th in scoring last yr with mostly poop to throw to for most of the season. I think (hope) he's criminally underrated this yr
Juzaba
Footballguy
2 QBs, 8 team league, starting Palmer and Bradford and benching Rivers. I got both Palmer and Bradford at the end of the draft, and the value for the first few weeks looks incredible.
Obviously when it's week 7 and Bradford is hurt, Palmer is old and bad, and half of the LAC o-line has contracted E. coli, I'll be looking a lot dumber.
Obviously when it's week 7 and Bradford is hurt, Palmer is old and bad, and half of the LAC o-line has contracted E. coli, I'll be looking a lot dumber.
IheartGuinness
Footballguy
Or before the end of week one....
Trust me, I feel your pain. Looks like Bad Palmer is here to stay.
UncleZen
Footballguy
I was forced into this because of Winston as well and thinking I may have been better off with the zero. 3 Int's in the 1st half.
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
Yuk
Juzaba
Footballguy
So, with DJ probably out for some time... is Palmer untouchable? He looked bad (as opposed to unlucky). And the weapons on that team are, outside Fitz, not really dependable.
On the other hands, next week is against the Colts. That's very tempting. I'm leaning towards starting Palmer again in week 2 and pairing him with heavy drinking.
On the other hands, next week is against the Colts. That's very tempting. I'm leaning towards starting Palmer again in week 2 and pairing him with heavy drinking.
The thing about playing the Colts this year is your best scoring opportunity is when their offense is on the field.
On a scale of 2014 Brady to 2015 Peyton, I'm leaning toward the Peyton end. I own him in two leagues; in one, he's my Luck stand-in, so I have no choice but to start him this week. In the other, it's between him and Wentz. I'm going to let it play out over the next couple days, but I'm leaning Wentz. This is a tough QB-scoring league (35yds=1pt, TDs=4pts, INTs=-2.5pts) so if a QB really craps the bed, you could be looking at a negative score; in fact, that's what Palmer was until his garbage TD last week.
