bocksheesh
Footballguy
Is there an official word yet on whether Culpepper will be the starting QB in Oakland?
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Is Culpepper the Starter in Oakland? (1 Viewer)
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Loan Sharks
Not a Wolf
No, Looks like McCown will start (unofficial) wk1, but I heard Clayton on ESPN say he thinks Culpepper will be the starter eventually as he is clearly the better qb.
CrossEyed
Footballguy
Why would anyone think that at this point?
Loan Sharks
Not a Wolf
I heard on the radio that since Culpepper hasn't fully absorbed the playbook that they may give him a extra week or so.
Loan Sharks
Not a Wolf
Clearly this game may have a impact but prior to this game which McCown started all I heard was that Culpepper may not be the wk 1 starter. Just radio talk but McCown hasnt been terrible this preseason.So far tonight. Culpepper 9/12 93 1 0J. McCown 5/12 75 0 0And McCown is the week 1 starter?
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
It's not just that Daunte was good again. Josh was awful.
hellz_fireflies
Footballguy
Culpepper is the starter..how many years he been playing...whats to learn besides simple Raiders play book?
Spartans Rule
Footballguy
I really hope Culpepper plays. I like the potential trade value after a Week 1 meeting with Detroit and its hideous secondary. With Culpepper's past history of success, people might overreact to one good game and think "HE'S BACK!".
Loan Sharks
Not a Wolf
I can agree with that. I still can't bring myself to think the Raiders will be competitive but Culpepper sure makes it look like it is possible.
PahtyTom
Footballguy
If it was that open and shut then I don't think McCown would have started this game and Cpep wouldn't be playing with all the backups right now.
mad sweeney
Footballguy
He's had a couple of drops too. He looks sharp, nice touch on the ball and finding the open guy.So far tonight
On KHTK-1140AM out of Sacramento, announcer Mike Lamb was saying that the Raiders have named McCown as the week 1 starter, during the 5:00 pm hour. I was unable to confirm this anywhere. Just telling you what a guy with connections to the Raiders and who is paid to talk about the Raiders every day, is saying to his listeners.
In an interview he did with a sports writer for the San Francisco Chronicle during the same hour, the writer said he had NOT heard McCown named the starter, but could believe it to be true due to Culpepper's limited time to learn the playbook. The guy said there is an urgency to win the "winnable" games in the first two weeks and that losing those would essentially kill their season. That being the case, the writer seemed to think McCown gave the Raiders the best chance to win the winnable games at the beginning of the season.
Take it with a grain of salt.
I am personally steering clear of all Raiders (unless incredible value appears). The situation in Oakland has improved from last season, but not THAT much.
In an interview he did with a sports writer for the San Francisco Chronicle during the same hour, the writer said he had NOT heard McCown named the starter, but could believe it to be true due to Culpepper's limited time to learn the playbook. The guy said there is an urgency to win the "winnable" games in the first two weeks and that losing those would essentially kill their season. That being the case, the writer seemed to think McCown gave the Raiders the best chance to win the winnable games at the beginning of the season.
Take it with a grain of salt.
I am personally steering clear of all Raiders (unless incredible value appears). The situation in Oakland has improved from last season, but not THAT much.
bocksheesh
Footballguy
I generally agree with you abou the Raiders, but I couldn't help but snag Culpepper with the final pick in my draft.In that system, with his skills, IF Dante gets decent protection, he could be quite effective. But we'll see. I'm not counting on it.
Rogi
Footballguy
From CBS:
Daunte Culpepper, QB OAK
News: Raiders head coach Lane Kiffin decided to end the secrecy over his quarterback situation early this week. With Josh McCown still limping around in a walking boot, Daunte Culpepper, coming off a five-touchdown performance Week 4 against the Dolphins, will fill in under center again Week 6 at the Chargers. "I won't prepare any differently," Culpepper said. "I prepare the same no matter what. It's no different to me."
Daunte Culpepper, QB OAK
News: Raiders head coach Lane Kiffin decided to end the secrecy over his quarterback situation early this week. With Josh McCown still limping around in a walking boot, Daunte Culpepper, coming off a five-touchdown performance Week 4 against the Dolphins, will fill in under center again Week 6 at the Chargers. "I won't prepare any differently," Culpepper said. "I prepare the same no matter what. It's no different to me."
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[scooter]
Footballguy
So is this the Culpepper thread (of the half dozen available) that we'll be using this week? Okay then.....
Am I the only one who noticed that Culpepper was pretty damn crappy last week? 41% of his passes for only 75 yards? P-U!
Yeah, he got some TDs, but that was largely due to Miami's terrible defense. San Diego won't roll over so easily. I won't be surprised if Culpepper leads the league in turnovers next week.
If you picked him up off the waiver wire.......I would suggest that you trade him now.
Am I the only one who noticed that Culpepper was pretty damn crappy last week? 41% of his passes for only 75 yards? P-U!
Yeah, he got some TDs, but that was largely due to Miami's terrible defense. San Diego won't roll over so easily. I won't be surprised if Culpepper leads the league in turnovers next week.
If you picked him up off the waiver wire.......I would suggest that you trade him now.
According to DVOA, which measures thing on a per-play basis, only 5 QBs in the entire NFL have done better passing this year (again, on a per-play basis) than Culpepper. Remember, TDs really hurt your average yards per attempt- if you throw ten passes from the 1 yard line and they all result in TDs, you just had the greatest passing game in NFL history despite averaging just 1 yard per attempt. Culpepper's yardage number looked pathetic, but that's because he only attempted 12 passes, and two of those twelve were capped because they resulted in TDs.Edit: For the record, Football Outsiders ranks McCown as the second worst QB in the league. That's a pretty dramatic disparity. Culpepper playing as well as he did last week despite being stuck with the Oakland Raiders is pretty darn impressive.
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Chaka
Footballguy
Weren't there like 20+ mph winds and rain in Miami? And the Raiders called 12 passes and he managed 2 TDs on those 12.In the history of the NFL no QB is a bigger threat at the goalline than Daunte, that alone is worth a spot start, at the very least, in most fantasy leagues and more than that if you don't have Brady, Palmer or Manning.
Resident A
Footballguy
Steve Young comes to mind...Not to mention Elway, Cunningham, maybe even VY & Vick
Red Apples
Footballguy
some TDs? 5 TDs is not some, that's a hell of a lot of TDs.
Especially since it's Oakland. Last season, Oakland finished with 12 total TDs (7 passing, 5 rushing). Last week, Culpepper finished with 5 total TDs. Pretty solid.
Chaka
Footballguy
All very talented QBs but none of them even come close to Daunte's size, Vince Young comes closest and has some real potential going forward but the book is still out on him. Randall and Vick were never really used in that role, even on bootlegs which probably has to do with their narrow frames and fear of them getting hurt. Elway and Young could both plunge it in but no one would call that a specific strength of their game. Remember I am talking about goal line plunges not running ability.Daunte is a physical freak for a QB and is still the only QB to have rushed for 10 TDs in a season. Most, if not all, of those came from goal-to-go situations.Their TD numbers per game bear it out too. (Max TD in a season)Daunte 0.38 (10)Elway 0.14 (6)Steve Young 0.25 (7)Randall 0.21 (6)Vick 0.28 (8) - most of which came from outside the goal line.Vince Young 0.42 (7) - I will leave the book open on VY until he has 60 or so games under his belt, but dude is nails, no doubt.
SuperJohn96
RPS World Champion
C-Pepp signed a 1 year deal right?
It's crazy, but what if he leads them to the AFC West title?
He'll get some serious coin next year.
It's crazy, but what if he leads them to the AFC West title?
He'll get some serious coin next year.
That was the thought behind the 1-year deal. Jacksonville was trying to sign him to a long-term contract, but Culpepper was so confident that he was going to prove a lot of people wrong that he forewent the bigger money for a chance to make silly money next year. That's another reason I'm high on Culpepper- obviously he's convinced he's back, so who am I to argue?
Is it fair to say, then, that you would chalk up the raiders' poor team offense DVOA to mccown? the running game has been good and the passing game has been bad. how much of that is mccown and how much of it is the team as a whole (WRs, pass blocking, etc)? when i looked it up, i was surprised by how low the raiders team offense DVOA was. their sack rate is low. their run block and RB yards are all good. curry has a high DVOA. it just seems too easy to say it's mccown weighing it down (he has a 65% completion% and 11+ ypc, though 5 INTs) but yet there it is.
[scooter]
Footballguy
He was also pretty confident that he could succeed in Minnesota without Randy Moss.
According to DVOA, the only QB in the entire NFL who has been worse than McCown on a per-play basis is Trent Dilfer. I'd blame a lot of that on McCown. Curry and Porter aren't the second coming of Harrison/Wayne, but they're good, and Jordan is one of the better backs catching passes out of the backfield. The O-line is below average at passblocking, but lots of QBs play behind below-average lines without stinking up the joint like that. For a more detailed breakdown on why McCown stinks, you'd need to ask the Outsiders, but usually the reason why a QB comes out a lot worse in DVOA than regular statistics is because he pads his numbers with garbage like an 8-yard completion on 3rd-and-10 and the like.
First two games in Minnesota after Moss left: 235 ypg, 0 TDs per game, 4 INTs per game, 15 yards rushing, .5 rushing TDNext four games in Minnesota after Moss left: 267 ypg, 1.5 TDs per game, 1 INT per game, 25 yards rushing, 0 rushing TD.It looks like he was right. To put that 4-game stretch into perspective, that's a 4272/24/16 pace, with an additional 400 yards rushing. That would rank as the 7th best fantasy season by a QB in the past 5 years, behind only Culpepper's 2002 and 2004 seasons, Manning's 2004 and 2006 seasons, Gannon's 2002 season, and McNabb's 2004 season, and actually *AHEAD* of Culpepper's 2003 season. He clearly struggled to adapt in his first two games of the season (actually, the first game wasn't nearly as bad as the statline reads, since two of the INTs were balls tipped by his WRs), but after that he was hitting pretty much right on his career averages (the averages that he set WITH RANDY MOSS) for yards per game, yards per attempt, TDs per game, INTs per game, rushing yards per game, etc.And you don't want me to pull up his stats from 2004 in games where Randy Moss never set foot on the field. He actually did better when Randy Moss was off the field than he did when Randy Moss was on.
FF Thinker
Footballguy
Very good info here. I never looked at it this way. I always had in my head that he was horrible once Moss left. I guess that is the football world looking at a small set of games.
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