Is Gronk retiring? Was offered a trade, but I'm hesitant (1 Viewer)

[Biabreakable]

That's understandable.  No reason to waste Gronk's talent if your team isn't close to winning a title.

That said, I am not that high on Engram as well.  He's decent but others have mentioned his role will change once Beckham and Shepard are healthy.  Also he dropped a lot of passes, a lot more than he should.

Wouldn't dropped passes and catch rate be areas that a rookie TE should improve on as they gain experience in the pros?

Evan Engram had 115 targets 64 receptions 772 yards 6 TD in 15 games as a rookie.

That is pretty much the best performance for a rookie TE since Jeremy Shockey put up 128 targets 74 receptions 894 yards 2 TD in 15 games as a rookie. You have to go back to Mike Ditka for the next best rookie season for a TE. That is how rare it is. Engram is in very good company based on what he did.

Shockey had 57.8% catch rate as a rookie. He went on to have above 60% catch rate for the rest of his career aside from one year at 57%

Engram had 55.7% catch rate which is slightly lower than Shockeys rookie year, its close though.

 

[-OZ-]

Considering Gronk may be the best ever at the position, no one sees that. But Engram should have a long and very productive career ahead of him - he's closer to Aaron Hernandez than Gronk as far as build and game are concerned. While what you said about his targets potentially dropping with OBJ coming back is probably true, most rookie TEs fail to produce good numbers, so what he did is still impressive. There will be plenty of targets to go around, assuming Eli and the offense turn it around under Shurmer.

Gronk's best days are likely behind him at this point. TEs generally do not age well and with his physical style his body will start betraying him in the near future. I actually believe for that very reason why he may actually be considering retirement. Despite acting like a doofus, he's supposedly a pretty sharp guy. I am not saying that he will not out produce Engram next year and the year after if he does stick around (he very likely will) - but prior to this season his injury track record had not been very good in recent seasons so it's not a given.

Fwiw, I traded gronk for OJ Howard and Mike Williams with much the same thought process. (Free league, so to some extent I'm taking chances there I might not otherwise) Engram probably is worth more than Howard today but I think they're actually pretty close going forward. Neither is going to outproduce a healthy Gronk, but should be TE1s for years.

 

[menobrown]

  However, given my team is in rebuild mode

I own Gronk on some teams that are not rebuilding and I don't feel comfortable with my other TE's and all that being said and I'd still rather have Engram on those teams.

 

[Anarchy99]

Wouldn't dropped passes and catch rate be areas that a rookie TE should improve on as they gain experience in the pros?

Evan Engram had 115 targets 64 receptions 772 yards 6 TD in 15 games as a rookie.

That is pretty much the best performance for a rookie TE since Jeremy Shockey put up 128 targets 74 receptions 894 yards 2 TD in 15 games as a rookie. You have to go back to Mike Ditka for the next best rookie season for a TE. That is how rare it is. Engram is in very good company based on what he did.

Shockey had 57.8% catch rate as a rookie. He went on to have above 60% catch rate for the rest of his career aside from one year at 57%

Engram had 55.7% catch rate which is slightly lower than Shockeys rookie year, its close though.

My concern for Engram moving forward is that everyone else got hurt and he was force fed the football. How many targets are people projecting him for next season? Even if his target rate stays high, aren't people worried that the quality of targets will decrease?

 

[Dr. Octopus]

My concern for Engram moving forward is that everyone else got hurt and he was force fed the football. How many targets are people projecting him for next season? Even if his target rate stays high, aren't people worried that the quality of targets will decrease?

Why would the quality of targets get worse? Wouldn't OBJ taking the defense's attention away be helpful?

I would agree the targets # would most likely go down. If we're taking dynasty though, there's no guarantee OBJ is there after 2018 though.

 

[-OZ-]

My concern for Engram moving forward is that everyone else got hurt and he was force fed the football. How many targets are people projecting him for next season? Even if his target rate stays high, aren't people worried that the quality of targets will decrease?

I'd expect the Giants to score more next year and in general move more effectively. Why would the quality of his targets decrease?

 

[Anarchy99]

I'd expect the Giants to score more next year and in general move more effectively. Why would the quality of his targets decrease?

The Giants were always losing and had no one else to throw to. If they go back to being a competitive team (maybe, maybe not), he might see fewer scoring opportunities and may also not see garbage time fantasy points. 

Having other healthy guys might open things up for him (but will take away targets), so he could be used as the underneath guy instead of running deeper routes. 

 

[lexus]

I do. I remember my dad renting the VHS for us as a kid. Terrible movie but great dad memory for me.

Oh, what position did she play?

 

[barackdhouse]

I just moved Gronk in a 12 team TE premium league where half the annual pot goes into the 6th year jackpot, which will be the 2020 season. I'm not in rebuilding mode but I don't like the chances he makes it to 2020. I own him in a couple other dynasties so I will probably try to sell in one more and hold in another.

 

[Biabreakable]

My concern for Engram moving forward is that everyone else got hurt and he was force fed the football. How many targets are people projecting him for next season? Even if his target rate stays high, aren't people worried that the quality of targets will decrease?

Why would the quality of targets decrease if Engram is getting fewer targets? I would think the quality improves as targets are reduced, as the defense isn't expecting it as much.

Pass attemts for Eli have been around 600 since 2014 I don't really expect that to change. I suppose if the Giants added a really good RB that maybe this could come down. With the personnel they currently have, I expect the pass attempts to stay about the same.

Engram had 19% of the targets in 2017. While I could see this percentage being reduced slightly, probably not that much, even with OBJ returning to the line up. I don't expect Engram to lead the Giants in targets again, that should be OBJ but Engram should still be 2nd or 3rd in total targets and 18% seems like a reasonable expectation to me. That would be 108 targets, not that much fewer than the 115 he had as a rookie. Maybe he only gets 100. Still I would expect his catch percentage to improve on fewer targets (and with Engram now having some experience with the team and the NFL). So the total numbers may be the same again even on fewer targets.

 

[menobrown]

My concern for Engram moving forward is that everyone else got hurt and he was force fed the football. How many targets are people projecting him for next season? Even if his target rate stays high, aren't people worried that the quality of targets will decrease?

I've seen his usage brought up a few times. He had 4 games for most part everyone was healthy, weeks 2-5.  He had 29 targets in those 4 games,  7.25 a game.  The other 11 weeks he only jumped to 7.81 targets a game. Not a big sample size, but also not much of a difference.

I think his quality of targets will increase due to attention Odell demands.

 

[petekrum]

You can argue all day about Engrams level of production, but I’ll take it all day over the nothing you will get from a retired Gronk in at most a year or two. This is a no brainer in dynasty.