Is Hakeem Nicks no longer a WR1? (1 Viewer)

[Dought Man]

I will say, Nicks is a really nice 2nd fiddle to Cruz.

 

[flapgreen]

I just can't believe I ever put any faith in this guy. Who would've ever thought that Victor freaking Cruz would make him look pedestrian? My biggest mistake of the season.

 

[NJDawgPound]

Cruz's second TD. I'm taking the liberty of elevating Hakeem Nicks to POS1 for my team.

 

[Dought Man]

the Nicks backers have quickly stepped away...

 

[cvnpoka]

ya 7 for 87 is def worthy of tons of derision.

 

[ROYALWITCHEESE]

You people ever hear of Az Hakim?

He's a good WR, not great. He most often is covered by the 3rd man on the CB totem pole (or worse). Good for fantasy purposes in 2011, but let's not crown him a top WR for 2012 just yet...

 

[johnnyboy8102]

You people ever hear of Az Hakim? He's a good WR, not great. He most often is covered by the 3rd man on the CB totem pole (or worse). Good for fantasy purposes in 2011, but let's not crown him a top WR for 2012 just yet...

Az Hakim never had a season like this.

 

[dickey moe]

ya 7 for 87 is def worthy of tons of derision.

It's great production -- IT'S SIMPLY NOT WR1 NUMBERS

 

[biggamer3]

ya 7 for 87 is def worthy of tons of derision.

Overreaction after not getting 30+ points from Nicks in a shootout game.I wish some owner overreacts and sells Nicks low in my dynasty leagues, Nicks is the Giants future at WR. You cant teach size

 

[Mimo]

More of a reflection on Eli than Nicks. Eli is not gonna force it to Nicks when he's doubled. Throughout the game the Saints rolled coverage over the top on Nicks and singled Cruz. Teams have been doing it all year and Cruz is benefiting.

 

[cvnpoka]

ya 7 for 87 is def worthy of tons of derision.

It's great production -- IT'S SIMPLY NOT WR1 NUMBERS

not every wr1 puts up wr1 numbers every single game. in fact, none do.still, nicks will very likely not finish wr1 this yr and it is questionable he will be wr1 going forward. so, try not to hurt yourself patting your back too hard. whatever you saw that led you to believe last yr was a mirage was quite perceptive and worthy of praise.

 

[flapgreen]

Goodbye, Nicks. A couple more games and I will never have to hear your name again.

 

[navigatn]

Imagine if manningham was active. Nicks woulda had half his production.

How sad is nicks at this point. Cruz > nicks x10.

***waiting for the double team comments***

 

[King of the Jungle]

ya 7 for 87 is def worthy of tons of derision.

Overreaction after not getting 30+ points from Nicks in a shootout game.I wish some owner overreacts and sells Nicks low in my dynasty leagues, Nicks is the Giants future at WR. You cant teach size

You must really like Ramses Barden going forward.

 

[FGITLOTR]

I like Cruz, but I would love to see how he fares against double coverage, which is what Nicks has faced all year. As a Nicks owner, yes I'm disappointed with his production, but my hope is that teams will stop rolling a safety over the top and he'll face more one on one coverage down the stretch. I still see him having a few nice games down the stretch. By the way, should he be good to go this week, as I know he got rocked pretty good?

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

Imagine if manningham was active. Nicks woulda had half his production.How sad is nicks at this point. Cruz > nicks x10.***waiting for the double team comments***

I don't understand you guys at all. Teams are rolling coverage to Nicks and that leaves more for Cruz. If the tables were turned you would see opposite results. Even with the double teaming Nicks still caught 7 for 87, he just didn't have any TD opportunities because Eli didn't throw into double coverage in the Red Zone. All of sudden Cruz is better than Nicks? I think not. Can you guys look at this from a high level instead of being so narrow minded?

 

[Shutout]

I almost can't read these type of posts anymores. You guys act like you've never owned a #1 WR before. All the greats: Welker, Jennings, Calvin, Wayne when Manning was there, Fitz, insert every good WR you know; its all the same...when they come out and make defenses look silly for a few weeks, opponents double them and force the ball elsewhere. Everybody does it. NO WR just does what he wants for 17 straight weeks. Even the "impossible to understand how he does it" Steve Smith in Carolina, where there has been NO other reasonable threat for years and he gets double ALL THE TIME, has games where he just doesnt' produce.

So you guys are saying that a top 15 WR that caught something like 7 for 80+ last night is dragging your team down? You might want to checkt he mirror.

Speaking of Steve Smith, the FORMER GIANT, he was Victor Cruz not so long ago, catching 8-12 balls a game but it didn't hurt Nicks short or long term. Cruz is hot right now and he can play. But it might just change just as quickly as it arrived with him. He has all the looks in the world as being one of the most overdrafted players in next years draft, much like Manningham ended up being this year.

The differece right now is NOT Nicks. Its the Giants lack of a running game and injuries all over the team and especially the O-line. This team had, in the past, had the luxury of keeping its o-line together for a long time and now they are adjusting. Things will normalize and you will see again some great play action and some deep bombs to Nicks.

its truly amazing to me how people are ready to cast Nicks off. With 2 games agains the Cowboys, a game with the Packers and games with the redskins and Jets left, I can see him posting a monster stat line or two down the stretch. I'll look for some of you fellas in the Venting thread in a few weeks when you can't understand how you benched or dropped or traded Nicks and then can't phathom how he caught 8/165/2 against the Cowboys or Packers.

 

[shadyridr]

Imagine if manningham was active. Nicks woulda had half his production.

How sad is nicks at this point. Cruz > nicks x10.

***waiting for the double team comments***

I don't understand you guys at all. Teams are rolling coverage to Nicks and that leaves more for Cruz. If the tables were turned you would see opposite results. Even with the double teaming Nicks still caught 7 for 87, he just didn't have any TD opportunities because Eli didn't throw into double coverage in the Red Zone. All of sudden Cruz is better than Nicks? I think not. Can you guys look at this from a high level instead of being so narrow minded?

In fantasy he is.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

Imagine if manningham was active. Nicks woulda had half his production.

How sad is nicks at this point. Cruz > nicks x10.

***waiting for the double team comments***

I don't understand you guys at all. Teams are rolling coverage to Nicks and that leaves more for Cruz. If the tables were turned you would see opposite results. Even with the double teaming Nicks still caught 7 for 87, he just didn't have any TD opportunities because Eli didn't throw into double coverage in the Red Zone. All of sudden Cruz is better than Nicks? I think not. Can you guys look at this from a high level instead of being so narrow minded?

In fantasy he is.

Easier to respond with 4 words rather than agree or disagree with the reasons why Cruz is putting up better fantasy stats than Nicks? Why do you think Cruz is putting up better stats?

 

[NJDawgPound]

Imagine if manningham was active. Nicks woulda had half his production.

How sad is nicks at this point. Cruz > nicks x10.

***waiting for the double team comments***

I don't understand you guys at all. Teams are rolling coverage to Nicks and that leaves more for Cruz. If the tables were turned you would see opposite results. Even with the double teaming Nicks still caught 7 for 87, he just didn't have any TD opportunities because Eli didn't throw into double coverage in the Red Zone. All of sudden Cruz is better than Nicks? I think not. Can you guys look at this from a high level instead of being so narrow minded?

In fantasy he is.

Easier to respond with 4 words rather than agree or disagree with the reasons why Cruz is putting up better fantasy stats than Nicks? Why do you think Cruz is putting up better stats?

Because he's the better fantasy player, guy.

 

[habsfan]

Imagine if manningham was active. Nicks woulda had half his production.

How sad is nicks at this point. Cruz > nicks x10.

***waiting for the double team comments***

I don't understand you guys at all. Teams are rolling coverage to Nicks and that leaves more for Cruz. If the tables were turned you would see opposite results. Even with the double teaming Nicks still caught 7 for 87, he just didn't have any TD opportunities because Eli didn't throw into double coverage in the Red Zone. All of sudden Cruz is better than Nicks? I think not. Can you guys look at this from a high level instead of being so narrow minded?

In fantasy he is.

Easier to respond with 4 words rather than agree or disagree with the reasons why Cruz is putting up better fantasy stats than Nicks? Why do you think Cruz is putting up better stats?

Because he's the better fantasy player, guy.

So in other words, water is wet because it's water?

 

[NJDawgPound]

Imagine if manningham was active. Nicks woulda had half his production.

How sad is nicks at this point. Cruz > nicks x10.

***waiting for the double team comments***

I don't understand you guys at all. Teams are rolling coverage to Nicks and that leaves more for Cruz. If the tables were turned you would see opposite results. Even with the double teaming Nicks still caught 7 for 87, he just didn't have any TD opportunities because Eli didn't throw into double coverage in the Red Zone. All of sudden Cruz is better than Nicks? I think not. Can you guys look at this from a high level instead of being so narrow minded?

In fantasy he is.

Easier to respond with 4 words rather than agree or disagree with the reasons why Cruz is putting up better fantasy stats than Nicks? Why do you think Cruz is putting up better stats?

Because he's the better fantasy player, guy.

So in other words, water is wet because it's water?

In other words, I'm not going to get fantasy points because Nicks is a god amongst men and draws quintuple coverage and as a result, gets outscored by undrafted free agents.

 

[dickey moe]

Plenty of sore Nicks owners in here.

 

[Bronx Bomber]

I almost can't read these type of posts anymores. You guys act like you've never owned a #1 WR before. All the greats: Welker, Jennings, Calvin, Wayne when Manning was there, Fitz, insert every good WR you know; its all the same...when they come out and make defenses look silly for a few weeks, opponents double them and force the ball elsewhere. Everybody does it. NO WR just does what he wants for 17 straight weeks. Even the "impossible to understand how he does it" Steve Smith in Carolina, where there has been NO other reasonable threat for years and he gets double ALL THE TIME, has games where he just doesnt' produce.

So you guys are saying that a top 15 WR that caught something like 7 for 80+ last night is dragging your team down? You might want to checkt he mirror.

Speaking of Steve Smith, the FORMER GIANT, he was Victor Cruz not so long ago, catching 8-12 balls a game but it didn't hurt Nicks short or long term. Cruz is hot right now and he can play. But it might just change just as quickly as it arrived with him. He has all the looks in the world as being one of the most overdrafted players in next years draft, much like Manningham ended up being this year.

The differece right now is NOT Nicks. Its the Giants lack of a running game and injuries all over the team and especially the O-line. This team had, in the past, had the luxury of keeping its o-line together for a long time and now they are adjusting. Things will normalize and you will see again some great play action and some deep bombs to Nicks.

its truly amazing to me how people are ready to cast Nicks off. With 2 games agains the Cowboys, a game with the Packers and games with the redskins and Jets left, I can see him posting a monster stat line or two down the stretch. I'll look for some of you fellas in the Venting thread in a few weeks when you can't understand how you benched or dropped or traded Nicks and then can't phathom how he caught 8/165/2 against the Cowboys or Packers.

Good posting. If the question is asking if he's a #1 WR in the NFL then all you have to do is ask defensive coordinators. If it was Cruz than he would be getting the double teams and coverage rolling his way. In FF its all about stats so people don't care about that argument or that the Saints forgot to cover Cruz on the 70yd TD. I'm a Giants fan and Nicks owner so I'm happy that Cruz has emerged and Eli isn't forcing the ball to anyone but we can't argue that it hasnt changed Nicks' fantasy stock. It has. And I have been concerned lately how it seems that every game Eli and Nicks are completely out of sync on one or two plays a game. In FF it seems like on many teams that have 1 dominant NFL WR, an argument can be made that the #2 guy that doesn't get the coverage can be considered the better FF WR. Wallace/Brown, Austin/Bryant last year, Wayne/ Collie last year, Jennings/ Nelson this year...just a few examples that I can think of that in FF you might want the #2 NFL WR as the #1 FF WR.

 

[shadyridr]

Imagine if manningham was active. Nicks woulda had half his production.

How sad is nicks at this point. Cruz > nicks x10.

***waiting for the double team comments***

I don't understand you guys at all. Teams are rolling coverage to Nicks and that leaves more for Cruz. If the tables were turned you would see opposite results. Even with the double teaming Nicks still caught 7 for 87, he just didn't have any TD opportunities because Eli didn't throw into double coverage in the Red Zone. All of sudden Cruz is better than Nicks? I think not. Can you guys look at this from a high level instead of being so narrow minded?

In fantasy he is.

Easier to respond with 4 words rather than agree or disagree with the reasons why Cruz is putting up better fantasy stats than Nicks? Why do you think Cruz is putting up better stats?

Does it really matter WHY? Hes put up FAR better stats than Nicks THIS YEAR. So in fantasy he is better than Nicks. More pts than Nicks = better. I dont understand why I have to explain such simple concepts.

 

[shadyridr]

Imagine if manningham was active. Nicks woulda had half his production.

How sad is nicks at this point. Cruz > nicks x10.

***waiting for the double team comments***

I don't understand you guys at all. Teams are rolling coverage to Nicks and that leaves more for Cruz. If the tables were turned you would see opposite results. Even with the double teaming Nicks still caught 7 for 87, he just didn't have any TD opportunities because Eli didn't throw into double coverage in the Red Zone. All of sudden Cruz is better than Nicks? I think not. Can you guys look at this from a high level instead of being so narrow minded?

In fantasy he is.

Easier to respond with 4 words rather than agree or disagree with the reasons why Cruz is putting up better fantasy stats than Nicks? Why do you think Cruz is putting up better stats?

Because he's the better fantasy player, guy.

So in other words, water is wet because it's water?

In other words, I'm not going to get fantasy points because Nicks is a god amongst men and draws quintuple coverage and as a result, gets outscored by undrafted free agents.

Exactly. If Nicks is a far better talent than Cruz (which Im not disputing) and is thus getting double and triple teamed allowing Cruz to roam free, Id rather have the guy roaming free and putting up the points Same reason Antonio Brown has been better than Mike Wallace in the last month. And yes I own both Nicks & Wallace

 

[sjdogs]

Sure i am sore. Nicks cost me the playoffs last night by one point. In garbage time he couldntbcatch one pass? Jezz i hate him and had marshall and big mike on bench

 

[pantagrapher]

I thInk people have the shortest memories ever. Last year...just last year... When the giants were healthy and even with nicks being hurt, he was THE top wr in the league until the injury and still ended up top 5. Trying to trade for him in dynasty? Might as well back the u haul up and LOAD IT UP! Because he was untouchable. Now, the entire giants team is banged up and nicks is being talked about like he is freaking mikes sims walker all of a sudden. But he is still a top 15 right now and, if we are talking dynasty, is 23 years old. Nicks is fine. The people crying that he isn't superman every week are not.

At the end of the season in fantasy, you can only rate a player on results, not talent. A lot of owners had high hopes for Nicks and he hasn't delivered. It doesn't matter whose fault it is.I'll keep him again next year. But I won't be counting on him for WR1 production anymore. I don't think anyone will.

 

[Dought Man]

Will be interesting to see where these guys get drafted next season...I can see Cruz being real nice value in the 4th round of drafts...with people still taking Nicks in the early 2nd...figuring he will bounce back.

 

[kiLLscaLLion]

This is why owning a WR1 is very different from owning a RB1 and also why RBs are more valuable than WRs. RB1's will always get their touches, but WR1's inevitably face more coverage and defensive adjustments that take away their playmaking abilities. Even Calvin Johnson has slowed down recently and Stafford has been forced to throw the ball elsewhere. It's just how football works and something everyone should understand as a basic concept when playing fantasy football. It's also why I never draft WRs in the first 3 rounds.

 

[cvnpoka]

I thInk people have the shortest memories ever. Last year...just last year... When the giants were healthy and even with nicks being hurt, he was THE top wr in the league until the injury and still ended up top 5. Trying to trade for him in dynasty? Might as well back the u haul up and LOAD IT UP! Because he was untouchable. Now, the entire giants team is banged up and nicks is being talked about like he is freaking mikes sims walker all of a sudden. But he is still a top 15 right now and, if we are talking dynasty, is 23 years old. Nicks is fine. The people crying that he isn't superman every week are not.

At the end of the season in fantasy, you can only rate a player on results, not talent. A lot of owners had high hopes for Nicks and he hasn't delivered. It doesn't matter whose fault it is.I'll keep him again next year. But I won't be counting on him for WR1 production anymore. I don't think anyone will. even the denigrators in this thread will after they read fbg and the rest of the pundits rankings.

id imagine the vast majority of fantasy players will rate nicks as a wr1 going into next season.

 

[simey]

More of a reflection on Eli than Nicks. Eli is not gonna force it to Nicks when he's doubled. Throughout the game the Saints rolled coverage over the top on Nicks and singled Cruz. Teams have been doing it all year and Cruz is benefiting.

I think Cruz has also benefited from Ahmad Bradshaw being out.

 

[NJDawgPound]

I thInk people have the shortest memories ever. Last year...just last year... When the giants were healthy and even with nicks being hurt, he was THE top wr in the league until the injury and still ended up top 5. Trying to trade for him in dynasty? Might as well back the u haul up and LOAD IT UP! Because he was untouchable. Now, the entire giants team is banged up and nicks is being talked about like he is freaking mikes sims walker all of a sudden. But he is still a top 15 right now and, if we are talking dynasty, is 23 years old. Nicks is fine. The people crying that he isn't superman every week are not.

At the end of the season in fantasy, you can only rate a player on results, not talent. A lot of owners had high hopes for Nicks and he hasn't delivered. It doesn't matter whose fault it is.I'll keep him again next year. But I won't be counting on him for WR1 production anymore. I don't think anyone will. even the denigrators in this thread will after they read fbg and the rest of the pundits rankings.

id imagine the vast majority of fantasy players will rate nicks as a wr1 going into next season.

He'd be a pretty nice handcuff to the Cruz owner.

 

[bmsarvis]

Surprised nobody mentioned the mis communications between eli and nicks , if they connected on those he would of been close to 200 yd ,I know ifs don't matter , I'm just saying , dissapointed nicks owner here

 

[Dought Man]

Nicks looks to me like a guy who gets by strictly on his god given talent. He's not a worker. He's not Larry Fitzgerald. He doesn't like to go over the middle, he doesn't work hard to get open when a play breaks down.

Very clear that Nicks is not going to be a top tier elite WR in this league.

 

[biggamer3]

Nicks looks to me like a guy who gets by strictly on his god given talent. He's not a worker. He's not Larry Fitzgerald. He doesn't like to go over the middle, he doesn't work hard to get open when a play breaks down.Very clear that Nicks is not going to be a top tier elite WR in this league.

could be one of the most rediculous posts I have seen here in a while.Look at the stats he put up last year even though he missed a few games. This year teams have keyed up on him, but that's because giants have zero run game, that will for sure change next year

 

[todisco1]

He's not a worker.

where are you getting this from? I've never heard that Nicks was lazy.

 

[pantagrapher]

Surprised nobody mentioned the mis communications between eli and nicks , if they connected on those he would of been close to 200 yd ,I know ifs don't matter , I'm just saying , dissapointed nicks owner here

Maybe miscommunication with Eli this season is what accounts for his decrease in targets.

 

[Bronx Bomber]

Surprised nobody mentioned the mis communications between eli and nicks , if they connected on those he would of been close to 200 yd ,I know ifs don't matter , I'm just saying , dissapointed nicks owner here

I mentioned this also. That route that he broke off down the sideline could have been a huge play. He does this every week, missing opportunities that could make this thread moot. Then again Cruz misses a lot of passes so they both have their flaws. Eli doesn't seem to hold grudges though. He frequently goes right back to the guy that makes a mistake...just ask Ballard.

 

[cvnpoka]

nicks red zone targets are way down this yr. his overall targets arent down that much.

last yr he had 17 rz targets in 13 games. this yr it is 5 in 10 games.

 

[TheFootballJesus]

He's putting up the same exact yardage numbers as last year, but the TDs are just way down. Doesn't make sense, the guy's size should make him a huge red zone threat. Very reminiscent of Brandon Marshall.

I'm a lot further down on him than I was at the beginning of the season, but I'd still draft him as a WR 1 next year.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

There's just no need to force the ball to him in the red-zone when teams are barely covering the other guys. Cruz will draw much more attention and the Nicks TD's will come.

 

[Shutout]

Will be interesting to see where these guys get drafted next season...I can see Cruz being real nice value in the 4th round of drafts...with people still taking Nicks in the early 2nd...figuring he will bounce back.

Sounds a lot like what people said of Manningham going into this season.People are putting this into a vacuum. Yes, at the end of the day, points for Cruz are more than Nicks...right now...in this season...under these conditions with the Giants. But players will get healthy and things will change again. At the end of the day, you know Nicks' talent and it would be kind of silly to think that he would be the second Giants WR drafted in a redraft or that he would be valued lower than Cruz in dynasty. If NOTHING else at all, then if Cruz continued to produce like this, wouldn't it stand to reason that teams would start to double Cruz (if he suddenly is viewed as the "guy" that is hurting defenses the most)? And wouldn't that benefit Nicks?Its an ebb and flow. NO WR not named Jerry Rice or Randy Moss one time ever goes through a season without a hiccup here and there. Welker has had a bad month until this past Sunday. People aren't ready to mark him down NEXT year based on that.

 

[treat88]

Imagine if manningham was active. Nicks woulda had half his production.

How sad is nicks at this point. Cruz > nicks x10.

***waiting for the double team comments***

I don't understand you guys at all. Teams are rolling coverage to Nicks and that leaves more for Cruz. If the tables were turned you would see opposite results. Even with the double teaming Nicks still caught 7 for 87, he just didn't have any TD opportunities because Eli didn't throw into double coverage in the Red Zone. All of sudden Cruz is better than Nicks? I think not. Can you guys look at this from a high level instead of being so narrow minded?

In fantasy he is.

Easier to respond with 4 words rather than agree or disagree with the reasons why Cruz is putting up better fantasy stats than Nicks? Why do you think Cruz is putting up better stats?

Does it really matter WHY? Hes put up FAR better stats than Nicks THIS YEAR. So in fantasy he is better than Nicks. More pts than Nicks = better. I dont understand why I have to explain such simple concepts.

Because this is a prospective hobby.Sure, you can look at this and say Cruz has put up better numbers so far. If that is how you want to define better that is totally cool.

To me, the real question is who puts up better numbers next game and that is not a product of previous performance.

I'm not knocking Cruz at all, but if I'm betting on a Giants WR to put up numbers any given game it's going to be Nicks every time so long as he is healthy. That is my definition of better.

 

[metal]

i think its purely the fact that there is absolutely zero threat from the running game. nicks is the best offensive player available to get the ball. defenses will shift towards him. you guys sound like you all never owned a wr1 before.

hakeem nicks goes as the running game goes. he was the prime beneficiary of the big play action bombs. victor cruz is doing much better than nicks, but i do think nicks is the better talent and when the giants wake up and have a running game going, that will be the time nicks will elevate back into elite categories

calm down

 

[shadyridr]

i think its purely the fact that there is absolutely zero threat from the running game. nicks is the best offensive player available to get the ball. defenses will shift towards him. you guys sound like you all never owned a wr1 before. hakeem nicks goes as the running game goes. he was the prime beneficiary of the big play action bombs. victor cruz is doing much better than nicks, but i do think nicks is the better talent and when the giants wake up and have a running game going, that will be the time nicks will elevate back into elite categoriescalm down

you guys realize its week 13 & whats looming in week 16?

 

[cvnpoka]

i think its purely the fact that there is absolutely zero threat from the running game. nicks is the best offensive player available to get the ball. defenses will shift towards him. you guys sound like you all never owned a wr1 before. hakeem nicks goes as the running game goes. he was the prime beneficiary of the big play action bombs. victor cruz is doing much better than nicks, but i do think nicks is the better talent and when the giants wake up and have a running game going, that will be the time nicks will elevate back into elite categoriescalm down

you guys realize its week 13 & whats looming in week 16?

so you will take cruz over nicks next yr? id imagine you will for the next 3 weeks but just in case?

 

[shadyridr]

i think its purely the fact that there is absolutely zero threat from the running game. nicks is the best offensive player available to get the ball. defenses will shift towards him. you guys sound like you all never owned a wr1 before. hakeem nicks goes as the running game goes. he was the prime beneficiary of the big play action bombs. victor cruz is doing much better than nicks, but i do think nicks is the better talent and when the giants wake up and have a running game going, that will be the time nicks will elevate back into elite categoriescalm down

you guys realize its week 13 & whats looming in week 16?

so you will take cruz over nicks next yr? id imagine you will for the next 3 weeks but just in case?

im only talking redraft. but i think the answer is obvious this year. just look at the stats

 

[metal]

definitely cruz for the remainder of the year

as far as im concerned, this running game (lack of one) just really hurts any downfield production by giants wr (nicks/manningham) while cruz is going to continue racking up numbers with these intermediate routes

i dont mean to discredit anything cruz has done btw, he deserves a lot of credit. i just think that nicks is a lot more talented, and ya'll know what they say about talent

 

[pantagrapher]

definitely cruz for the remainder of the yearas far as im concerned, this running game (lack of one) just really hurts any downfield production by giants wr (nicks/manningham) while cruz is going to continue racking up numbers with these intermediate routes

Cruz is averaging more YPC than Nicks ever has. And his long TD is longer than Nicks's.