Is Henry top 5 in Denver? (1 Viewer)

[North]

"In 2004, he was playing well until first rounder McGahee came in in week 6 and never looked back."

Playing well??

Week 1 vs. Jax 75 yds rushing

Week 2 vs. Raiders 67 yds rushing

Week 3 BYE

Week 4 vs. NE 98 yds rushing

Week 5 vs. Jets 33 yds rushing

Week 6 vs. Miami 0 yds rushing

The way I see it Henry was playing like crap. 68 yds per game with ZERO tds is not playing well.

 

[CalBear]

He didn't play week 6, and had just 12 carries week 5. In the 3 full games he played, he averaged 80 yards per game, which is decent.

 

[NOONAN]

He didn't play week 6, and had just 12 carries week 5. In the 3 full games he played, he averaged 80 yards per game, which is decent.

Against 3 pretty good D's also-Jax, Oak, NE. The offense couldn't get anything going in any of the three. 10, 10 and 3 points!!! Seems more like Henry was made the fallguy with McGahee screaming for the start.

 

[LHUCKS]

The best year to gauge a player's ability is his most recent year and Henry looked better in '06 than he did in '04.

That being said, I still think he is a mediocre talent at this stage in his career.

 

[North]

He didn't play week 6, and had just 12 carries week 5. In the 3 full games he played, he averaged 80 yards per game, which is decent.

Not really decent, + more importantly the team was 0-4 in the games he started, he couldn't get in the endzone.The switch to McGahee was inevitable, not because of a Henry injury.

 

[CalBear]

The best year to guage a player's ability is his most recent year and Henry looked better in '06 than he did in '04. That being said, I still think he is a mediocre talent at this stage in his career.

But still better than Ruben Droughns, and at least as good as 32-year-old Mike Anderson in 2005 (who finished as RB10).

 

[LHUCKS]

The best year to guage a player's ability is his most recent year and Henry looked better in '06 than he did in '04. That being said, I still think he is a mediocre talent at this stage in his career.

But still better than Ruben Droughns, and at least as good as 32-year-old Mike Anderson in 2005 (who finished as RB10).

Mike Anderson doesn't get enough credit...the guy ran as hard as anyone in the league and had surprising breakaway speed. I would put Henry's ability somewhere in between those two and I think his numbers will be right around the same place...IF injuries don't become a factor.What does Denver's schedule look like?

 

[NOONAN]

The best year to guage a player's ability is his most recent year and Henry looked better in '06 than he did in '04. That being said, I still think he is a mediocre talent at this stage in his career.

I agree with the first part. I would add that Denver has a better run blocking O-line than Tenn, though.ETA Henry >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mike Bell talent-wise.

 

[LHUCKS]

I agree with the first part. I would add that Denver has a better run blocking O-line than Tenn, though.

of course

 

[RBM]

Top 5, no way. Just dont think he has the talent. Id place around him around the 12ish area.

I think that out of the 2 big rb happenings yesterday, T Jones might be the more intriguing guy

 

[mr. furley]

god i love the Shark Pool sometimes

 

[Spartans Rule]

I don't think Henry is an elite player, but Mike Bell is a complete scrub. The guy didn't even show up on the radar until Shanahan gave up on Tatum Bell and Ron Dayne, and he didn't even beat out Bell for the primary ballcarrier role. Beating out Ron Dayne and running decently in Denver are not signs of great talent.

All this talk of Mike Bell being a factor needs to stop. He isn't good. If Denver liked Mike so much, why spend $22 million on a running back? They could have found the second half of a committee for peanuts.

 

[CA_7]

Hope Henry owners are selling high...

NFL Network's Adam Shefter reports that the Broncos have asked for Ladell Betts in exchange for Dre' Bly.

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpag...=NFL&id=138

 

[THE UNDERCOVER BROTHA]

Hope Henry owners are selling high...

NFL Network's Adam Shefter reports that the Broncos have asked for Ladell Betts in exchange for Dre' Bly.

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpag...=NFL&id=138

ugh oh....

i just moved Henry for Colsten C.Taylor and 2.08....(was good enuff for me)

 

[bostonfred]

Addition of Daniel Graham as a blocker is very good news for Henry. He's an extra offensive tackle, and a very good one at that. And at $30 million, it seems clear they want to use him as both a blocker and a receiver. With two good TEs, a new running back, a second year QB and Rod Smith down, I would expect the Broncos to become even more of a play action team.

 

[Beaumont]

Hope Henry owners are selling high...

NFL Network's Adam Shefter reports that the Broncos have asked for Ladell Betts in exchange for Dre' Bly.

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpag...=NFL&id=138

ugh oh....

i just moved Henry for Colsten C.Taylor and 2.08....(was good enuff for me)

Great example of selling high ...

 

[Couch Potato]

Hope Henry owners are selling high... :(

NFL Network's Adam Shefter reports that the Broncos have asked for Ladell Betts in exchange for Dre' Bly.

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpag...=NFL&id=138

ugh oh....

i just moved Henry for Colsten C.Taylor and 2.08....(was good enuff for me)

Great example of selling high ...

C. Taylor = Chester or Chris?

 

[JohnnyU]

Travis Henry-RB- Broncos Mar. 7 - 10:36 am et

Travis Henry will "rotate out" of the league's substance-abuse program if he has no trouble before Week 3 of the 2007 season.

Players leave the program after two years if they encounter no problems. If Henry does have a failed test before Week 3, he will be suspended a year.

Source: Denver Post

 

[David Yudkin]

I haven't read the responses up until here, but IMO Henry has a far better chance to be a Top 5 RB than most of the other 10-15 players that seemingly have been getting pimped for a Top 5 finish the past few months. As I regularly remind people, IMO the system is as great a determining factor to fantasy success as talent is. The Broncos RB production numbers have been off the chart for over 10 years and has shown no signs of really letting up much. Even post Clinton Portis with Droughns, Anderson, and the Bells around the team has posted:

06 2272 total RB yards/11 total RB TD

05 2745/28

04 2595/17

That works out to an average of 365 fantasy points per year. If Denver hit that average production level and Henry put up 60% of the team fantasy production, that would give him 219 fantasy points (would have ranked as RB9 last year). Bump him up to 70% and he'd have 257 fantasy points (which would have ranked him 1 point behind Brian Westbrook who was ranked 6th).

That being said, I don't think Henry will finish Top 5 because I suspect he will not see a big enough workload but he should be pretty close.

 

[bostonfred]

Travis Henry-RB- Broncos Mar. 7 - 10:36 am et Travis Henry will "rotate out" of the league's substance-abuse program if he has no trouble before Week 3 of the 2007 season.Players leave the program after two years if they encounter no problems. If Henry does have a failed test before Week 3, he will be suspended a year.Source: Denver Post

This is good news, although you should probably bench him week 4 just to be safe.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I haven't read the responses up until here, but IMO Henry has a far better chance to be a Top 5 RB than most of the other 10-15 players that seemingly have been getting pimped for a Top 5 finish the past few months. As I regularly remind people, IMO the system is as great a determining factor to fantasy success as talent is. The Broncos RB production numbers have been off the chart for over 10 years and has shown no signs of really letting up much. Even post Clinton Portis with Droughns, Anderson, and the Bells around the team has posted:

06 2272 total RB yards/11 total RB TD

05 2745/28

04 2595/17

That works out to an average of 365 fantasy points per year. If Denver hit that average production level and Henry put up 60% of the team fantasy production, that would give him 219 fantasy points (would have ranked as RB9 last year). Bump him up to 70% and he'd have 257 fantasy points (which would have ranked him 1 point behind Brian Westbrook who was ranked 6th).

That being said, I don't think Henry will finish Top 5 because I suspect he will not see a big enough workload but he should be pretty close.

David, look at the slide in production last season...do you see that number going back up? If so, what do you assume the drop to be because of in the 1st place? I'll hang up and listen.

 

[David Yudkin]

I haven't read the responses up until here, but IMO Henry has a far better chance to be a Top 5 RB than most of the other 10-15 players that seemingly have been getting pimped for a Top 5 finish the past few months. As I regularly remind people, IMO the system is as great a determining factor to fantasy success as talent is. The Broncos RB production numbers have been off the chart for over 10 years and has shown no signs of really letting up much. Even post Clinton Portis with Droughns, Anderson, and the Bells around the team has posted:

06 2272 total RB yards/11 total RB TD

05 2745/28

04 2595/17

That works out to an average of 365 fantasy points per year. If Denver hit that average production level and Henry put up 60% of the team fantasy production, that would give him 219 fantasy points (would have ranked as RB9 last year). Bump him up to 70% and he'd have 257 fantasy points (which would have ranked him 1 point behind Brian Westbrook who was ranked 6th).

That being said, I don't think Henry will finish Top 5 because I suspect he will not see a big enough workload but he should be pretty close.

David, look at the slide in production last season...do you see that number going back up? If so, what do you assume the drop to be because of in the 1st place? I'll hang up and listen.

TDs are basically a crap shoot most of the time as those numbers have a tendancy to fluctuate from year to year. The anomally is probably the 28 TDs not the 11. The total RB yardage was generally off 10-15%, and overall I suspect that the numbers were down with Plummer being mediocre and Cutler taking over and teams trying to stuff the run and make the QBs beat them.I would think that the rushing production will go up but won't be as good as 2005. Even so, that still leaves Denver with Top 5 RB production overall. I will start another thread on team RB production a bit later this morning/afternoon.

 

[bostonfred]

I haven't read the responses up until here, but IMO Henry has a far better chance to be a Top 5 RB than most of the other 10-15 players that seemingly have been getting pimped for a Top 5 finish the past few months. As I regularly remind people, IMO the system is as great a determining factor to fantasy success as talent is. The Broncos RB production numbers have been off the chart for over 10 years and has shown no signs of really letting up much. Even post Clinton Portis with Droughns, Anderson, and the Bells around the team has posted:

06 2272 total RB yards/11 total RB TD

05 2745/28

04 2595/17

That works out to an average of 365 fantasy points per year. If Denver hit that average production level and Henry put up 60% of the team fantasy production, that would give him 219 fantasy points (would have ranked as RB9 last year). Bump him up to 70% and he'd have 257 fantasy points (which would have ranked him 1 point behind Brian Westbrook who was ranked 6th).

That being said, I don't think Henry will finish Top 5 because I suspect he will not see a big enough workload but he should be pretty close.

David, look at the slide in production last season...do you see that number going back up? If so, what do you assume the drop to be because of in the 1st place? I'll hang up and listen.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that changing quarterbacks to a rookie mideseason hurt, while 60% Tatum Bell/40%Mike Bell isn't as good as 60% Mike Anderson/40% Tatum Bell. Swapping Putzier for Scheffler probably didn't help, either, but Graham should be a nice addition. Having a second year quarterback, a veteran runner, and a little more continuity should help, too.

 

[CA_7]

That being said, I don't think Henry will finish Top 5 because I suspect he will not see a big enough workload but he should be pretty close.

Nice to see some people remember how Shanny works.

 

[Buckna]

Hope Henry owners are selling high...

NFL Network's Adam Shefter reports that the Broncos have asked for Ladell Betts in exchange for Dre' Bly.

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpag...=NFL&id=138

The thread with the link to the Washington Post article states they were interested in Betts but that was before signing Henry.

The Broncos and Redskins have been discussing trade possibilities since before the combine last month, according to sources with knowledge of the situation, with Denver coveting Washington's sixth overall pick and the Redskins looking to trade down and reacquire a second- and third- round pick, which were dealt away (the Broncos have the Redskins' third-round selection from the T.J. Duckett trade).

Denver tried to get running back Ladell Betts in the deal, according to sources, but Coach Joe Gibbs has been intent on pairing Betts and Clinton Portis in the backfield next season.

 

[Titus Pullo]

Henry is a mediocre talent in a nice situation. He is not Portis, or TD. No chance he is top 5 unless 2007 has an injury plague on RBs.

 

[rascal]

I haven't read the responses up until here, but IMO Henry has a far better chance to be a Top 5 RB than most of the other 10-15 players that seemingly have been getting pimped for a Top 5 finish the past few months. As I regularly remind people, IMO the system is as great a determining factor to fantasy success as talent is. The Broncos RB production numbers have been off the chart for over 10 years and has shown no signs of really letting up much. Even post Clinton Portis with Droughns, Anderson, and the Bells around the team has posted:

06 2272 total RB yards/11 total RB TD

05 2745/28

04 2595/17

That works out to an average of 365 fantasy points per year. If Denver hit that average production level and Henry put up 60% of the team fantasy production, that would give him 219 fantasy points (would have ranked as RB9 last year). Bump him up to 70% and he'd have 257 fantasy points (which would have ranked him 1 point behind Brian Westbrook who was ranked 6th).

That being said, I don't think Henry will finish Top 5 because I suspect he will not see a big enough workload but he should be pretty close.

David, look at the slide in production last season...do you see that number going back up? If so, what do you assume the drop to be because of in the 1st place? I'll hang up and listen.

For one losing Lepsis at LT hurt more then people realize, plus Foster was a worthless POS at RT. And neither Tatum nor Mike were good at short yardage situations. The Broncos were forced to pass way to frequently in short yardage situations.The offense has a whole was not very good last year (espcecially under Plummer). With Henry being added with Graham, and more experience for Cutler, Walker, and Marshall I think the offense will get back in line with what it was in 2005. It's not 1997 or 1998 level, and won't be till they get a comparable offensive line.

 

[nygiants56]

That being said, I don't think Henry will finish Top 5 because I suspect he will not see a big enough workload but he should be pretty close.

Nice to see some people remember how Shanny works.

they've signed Henry , a member of the NFL's substance abuse program...last year the leaked info about Ricky Williams failing a drug test.how ironic.Betts must be kicking himself now. he should have tested the free agent waters, instead of signing an extension with Washington.

 

[David Yudkin]

they've signed Henry , a member of the NFL's substance abuse program

I believe that Henry will get out of the substance abuse program after Week 3 of the season if he stays squeakly clean until then.

 

[rascal]

they've signed Henry , a member of the NFL's substance abuse program

I believe that Henry will get out of the substance abuse program after Week 3 of the season if he stays squeakly clean until then.

correct.After being burned by Saurebrun, Shanny wouldn't do that twice. They knew he would get off in week 3.

 

[Kit Fisto]

Henry is a mediocre talent in a nice situation. He is not Portis, or TD. No chance he is top 5 unless 2007 has an injury plague on RBs.

 

[Dope]

Henry is a mediocre talent in a nice situation. He is not Portis, or TD. No chance he is top 5 unless 2007 has an injury plague on RBs.

Maybe so...but he's more of a talent than Mike Anderson or Olandis Gary or Reuben Droughns.

 

[Tau837]

Henry is a mediocre talent in a nice situation. He is not Portis, or TD. No chance he is top 5 unless 2007 has an injury plague on RBs.

Maybe so...but he's more of a talent than Mike Anderson or Olandis Gary or Reuben Droughns.

Please justify this.

 

[thatguy]

Henry is a mediocre talent in a nice situation. He is not Portis, or TD. No chance he is top 5 unless 2007 has an injury plague on RBs.

Maybe so...but he's more of a talent than Mike Anderson or Olandis Gary or Reuben Droughns.

Please justify this.

Some small bit of justification is the fact that he has had far more success outside of Denver than those three. Now, I'm not saying that proves it, but it certainly helps.

 

[Dope]

Henry is a mediocre talent in a nice situation. He is not Portis, or TD. No chance he is top 5 unless 2007 has an injury plague on RBs.

Maybe so...but he's more of a talent than Mike Anderson or Olandis Gary or Reuben Droughns.

Please justify this.

Some small bit of justification is the fact that he has had far more success outside of Denver than those three. Now, I'm not saying that proves it, but it certainly helps.

Thanks for the assist.I'll do you one better...take a look at the 3 year stats for Travis Henry in Buffalo vs the 3 year stats of Willis McGahee in Buffalo.

It is my contention that Henry put up better numbers than even the super-awesome Willis McGahee.

Travis had two seasons of 1300+ rushing yards.

McGahee has zero.

Travis had one season of 13+ TD's

McGahee has zero.

Yet if McGahee was going to Denver, people would be so excited they wouldn't be able to stand up.

Last year with his career on the line, Travis manned up.

What exactly does this guy have to do? Seriously. He plays hurt. He produces. He scores TD's. He even can do some damage catching the ball. There is a lot of poo-pooing when it comes to Travis Hank and his accomplishments. I don't get it.

 

[thatguy]

That's not entirely accurate. McGahee had 13 TDs in 2004, and actually only started 13 games.

 

[Dope]

That's not entirely accurate. McGahee had 13 TDs in 2004, and actually only started 13 games.

You're right...my bad on that little bit.Still my point remains the same. When I have a #1 RB I am looking for a "double teen" season. That's at least 1300 yards and 13 TD's. Henry has at least accomplished that and McGahee has not. Sure...you can say that Willis would have but the fact is...he didn't. And he still hasn't....even when he was the MAN.

Travis Henry is still the most talented RB that Denver has had since Clinton Portis. That's just a fact.

Talent??? Check

Opportunity??? Check

Desire??? Check (broken leg...resurrect career)

Something to prove??? Check (watch out if Denver plays Buffalo or Tennessee in the near future)

Am I saying he's a lock for top-5? No way. But the possibility is there and IMO it's not much of a stretch.

 

[renesauz]

I see a likely final ranking of 11-14 as the most realistic and likely, with at least an outside chance for top five. I like him a lot (based on current intel) late in the first round, because his downside is probably much higher then most of the others in that ranking area.

 

[thatguy]

That's not entirely accurate. McGahee had 13 TDs in 2004, and actually only started 13 games.

You're right...my bad on that little bit.Still my point remains the same. When I have a #1 RB I am looking for a "double teen" season. That's at least 1300 yards and 13 TD's. Henry has at least accomplished that and McGahee has not. Sure...you can say that Willis would have but the fact is...he didn't. And he still hasn't....even when he was the MAN.

Travis Henry is still the most talented RB that Denver has had since Clinton Portis. That's just a fact.

Talent??? Check

Opportunity??? Check

Desire??? Check (broken leg...resurrect career)

Something to prove??? Check (watch out if Denver plays Buffalo or Tennessee in the near future)

Am I saying he's a lock for top-5? No way. But the possibility is there and IMO it's not much of a stretch.

I agree with you completely about this.

 

[Buckna]

One thing I haven't seen mentioned yet is thru week 16 last year, Henry was RB16 in terms of PPG and that was playing in Tennesee. I think he can easily surpass that this year.

 

[Tau837]

Henry is a mediocre talent in a nice situation. He is not Portis, or TD. No chance he is top 5 unless 2007 has an injury plague on RBs.

Maybe so...but he's more of a talent than Mike Anderson or Olandis Gary or Reuben Droughns.

Please justify this.

Some small bit of justification is the fact that he has had far more success outside of Denver than those three. Now, I'm not saying that proves it, but it certainly helps.

Thanks for the assist.I'll do you one better...take a look at the 3 year stats for Travis Henry in Buffalo vs the 3 year stats of Willis McGahee in Buffalo.

It is my contention that Henry put up better numbers than even the super-awesome Willis McGahee.

Travis had two seasons of 1300+ rushing yards.

McGahee has zero.

Travis had one season of 13+ TD's

McGahee has zero.

Yet if McGahee was going to Denver, people would be so excited they wouldn't be able to stand up.

Last year with his career on the line, Travis manned up.

What exactly does this guy have to do? Seriously. He plays hurt. He produces. He scores TD's. He even can do some damage catching the ball. There is a lot of poo-pooing when it comes to Travis Hank and his accomplishments. I don't get it.

In addition to the fact that McGahee did have 13 TDs (already pointed out), a couple more things about this logic.First off, why would how McGahee compares to Henry answer my question about Anderson?

You say Henry scores TDs. He has 36 in 77 career games, which is about 7.5 per 16 games. Not bad, but not particularly noteworthy.

You say he "can do some damage catching the ball"... yet in the last 4 years, in 48 games, he has 69/398/1 receiving... 5.8 ypr... where do you get that he can "do some damage" there? His only good receiving season was 5 years ago.

As for thatguy's response... one year for Anderson in Denver at age 33 doesn't prove much.

I do agree that he had a nice season last year and has shown he will play hurt.

 

[Jason Wood]

The Broncos haven't fielded a top-5 fantasy back since Clinton Portis left town. Portis enjoyed back-to-back top-5 seasons in 2002 and 2003. Since then, Mike Anderson's 2005 season (RB10) is the best individual effort.

Is Travis Henry as talented as Clinton Portis when both are 100% healthy? Of course not. But is Travis Henry more talented than Mike Anderson? I don't know if that's a definitive "yes" but Henry's success on two different teams would make me comfortable arguing in that direction.

I want to see how the Broncos offensive line shakes out, but ultimately it's difficult for me to envision a healthy Travis Henry as anything worse than a top-10 fantasy back in that system. Top-5 isn't something I'm comfortable forecasting YET, but I don't see a ton of downside toward taking him in the late 1st or early 2nd at this point.

 

[David Yudkin]

The Broncos haven't fielded a top-5 fantasy back since Clinton Portis left town. Portis enjoyed back-to-back top-5 seasons in 2002 and 2003. Since then, Mike Anderson's 2005 season (RB10) is the best individual effort.Is Travis Henry as talented as Clinton Portis when both are 100% healthy? Of course not. But is Travis Henry more talented than Mike Anderson? I don't know if that's a definitive "yes" but Henry's success on two different teams would make me comfortable arguing in that direction.I want to see how the Broncos offensive line shakes out, but ultimately it's difficult for me to envision a healthy Travis Henry as anything worse than a top-10 fantasy back in that system. Top-5 isn't something I'm comfortable forecasting YET, but I don't see a ton of downside toward taking him in the late 1st or early 2nd at this point.

While we ultimately agree on the last paragraph, I believe there are facors that have been glaringly omitted in the first one. While it is accurate that the Broncos have not had a Top 5 RB since Portis and Anderson barely cracked the Top 10 in 2005, the Broncos clearly had issues deciding on a featured back since Portis left. If you added up the numbers for the starting RB (whomever that may have been in any given week), that player would easily have ranked in the Top 10 and I'd venture pretty close to Top 5. It's hard to put up Top 5 fantasy production if you are effectively starting only 12 games in a season.Of course, the issue has been who that player has been from week to week and there have been quite a few candidates (Griffin, Droughns, Anderson, Bell, Bell). The biggest issue for Henry is what percentage of the workload he'll get in Denver. As I outlined earlier in the thread, the Broncos RB corps collectively still did very well last year (albeit not as well as the 2005 season). If Henry gets 70% of the workload I would think that Henry is a lock to be Top 10 and he would be a pretty good Top 5 candidate if he got up to 75% (especially if the Broncos RB score more TD as they normally do).