Is J Finley a TE or WR? (1 Viewer)

[Da Guru]

Watching the is D-Jax broke video they also mentioned that the Pack will franchise Finley..the difference between a TE and a WR franchise is 4 million. Finley has lined in more plays as a WR than a TE and his agent notes that.

Should come into play in FF as well? Gates lines up more outside than a TE as well. Should we redefine what we call TEs?

 

[habsfan]

I periodically raise the issue in my league to change our TE slot to a TE/WR flex but get little support for it. Just throw aberrations like Graham and Gronkowski in with the rest of the WRs...

 

[Chicago Hooligan]

Baltimore had the same issue with Suggs a few years ago and settled on paying him as a hybrid player (with league approval).

I don't think that will happen with Finley, but who knows. Finley is playing well, but it's tough to envision GB giving him a big contract. So if he gets a franchise tag it will be as a TE.

Whose recent TE contract is comparable? Maybe Marcedes Lewis's.

 

[CompetitiveEdgeFootball]

I think most sites have him listed as a TE.

 

[Luke Skywalker]

I periodically raise the issue in my league to change our TE slot to a TE/WR flex but get little support for it. Just throw aberrations like Graham and Gronkowski in with the rest of the WRs...

Graham and Gronkowski are actually used as blockers, and while I don't have game film or anything like that I'd wager that they are in traditional TE alignment more often than not.

 

[Bayhawks]

Watching the is D-Jax broke video they also mentioned that the Pack will franchise Finley..the difference between a TE and a WR franchise is 4 million. Finley has lined in more plays as a WR than a TE and his agent notes that.Should come into play in FF as well? Gates lines up more outside than a TE as well. Should we redefine what we call TEs?

I would be surprised if GB franchised him, if they had to do so as a WR. His production is not elite for the TE position, and definitely not so for the WR position. They didn't seem to lose much last year when he was out. I don't think he is valuable enough to their team to warrant an extra $4M.

 

[zamboni]

Watching the is D-Jax broke video they also mentioned that the Pack will franchise Finley..the difference between a TE and a WR franchise is 4 million. Finley has lined in more plays as a WR than a TE and his agent notes that.Should come into play in FF as well? Gates lines up more outside than a TE as well. Should we redefine what we call TEs?

I would be surprised if GB franchised him, if they had to do so as a WR. His production is not elite for the TE position, and definitely not so for the WR position. They didn't seem to lose much last year when he was out. I don't think he is valuable enough to their team to warrant an extra $4M.

Finley's presence on the field does help that offense hum, but yes, they won a Super Bowl without him so that may factor into team brass's plans.It also probably depends on how the team views Quarless and the other youth movement at TE in terms of being able to take over Finley's role.

 

[Kitrick Taylor]

Watching the is D-Jax broke video they also mentioned that the Pack will franchise Finley..the difference between a TE and a WR franchise is 4 million. Finley has lined in more plays as a WR than a TE and his agent notes that.Should come into play in FF as well? Gates lines up more outside than a TE as well. Should we redefine what we call TEs?

I would be surprised if GB franchised him, if they had to do so as a WR. His production is not elite for the TE position, and definitely not so for the WR position. They didn't seem to lose much last year when he was out. I don't think he is valuable enough to their team to warrant an extra $4M.

Finley's presence on the field does help that offense hum, but yes, they won a Super Bowl without him so that may factor into team brass's plans.It also probably depends on how the team views Quarless and the other youth movement at TE in terms of being able to take over Finley's role.

This.Finley is the one that draws the most double teams each week. Obviously that doesn't provide his fantasy owners any help, but it creates space for Jennings and the rest of the WRs. Here are some of the top contracts for TEs.Marcedes Lewis 5 years 35 Million (17 guaranteed)Vernon Davis 5 years 37 Million (23 guaranteed)Antonio Gates 5 years 36 Million (20 guaranteed)Franchise number is 7.3 Million. The thing that all three of those players attained before getting those deals were pro bowls. Finley doesn't have that on his resume. He's an interesting case too, because he's got monster talent. However, he's the one most likely to be lined up incorrectly on any given play. (outside of Cobb). It may be a matter of just giving him enough time in the offense, then again he may never totally get it either. I'm sure the Packers have a much better idea about that than anybody outside the organization.

 

[simey]

Finley is the one that draws the most double teams each week. Obviously that doesn't provide his fantasy owners any help, but it creates space for Jennings and the rest of the WRs.

The Packers are a better team with Finley on the field, because of all the attention he draws. When the opposing coach speaks during the week prior to the game, he usually speaks about Finley being the big x factor on the field.

 

[Bayhawks]

Finley is the one that draws the most double teams each week. Obviously that doesn't provide his fantasy owners any help, but it creates space for Jennings and the rest of the WRs.

The Packers are a better team with Finley on the field, because of all the attention he draws. When the opposing coach speaks during the week prior to the game, he usually speaks about Finley being the big x factor on the field.

I'm not denying that. My point, however, remains valid. As was previously noted, the Pack was able to do just fine without Finley on the field, so (IMO) I don't think they would franchise him if they had to do so as a WR, since it would cost an extra $4M.

 

[Dentist]

interesting thread on the differences between WR and TE money.

Rodgers just spreads the ball so much that it crushes the numbers Finley would get on most other teams.

 

[Kitrick Taylor]

interesting thread on the differences between WR and TE money.Rodgers just spreads the ball so much that it crushes the numbers Finley would get on most other teams.

Agreed. Finley could easily be putting up numbers on par with Gronk or Graham.

 

[The Rook]

interesting thread on the differences between WR and TE money.Rodgers just spreads the ball so much that it crushes the numbers Finley would get on most other teams.

Agreed. Finley could easily be putting up numbers on par with Gronk or Graham.

which is interesting because Brees and Brady are also known for spreading the ball around. Wonder why Gronkowski and Graham have become such big targets, but Finley hasn't?

 

[zamboni]

interesting thread on the differences between WR and TE money.Rodgers just spreads the ball so much that it crushes the numbers Finley would get on most other teams.

Agreed. Finley could easily be putting up numbers on par with Gronk or Graham.

It's strange that Finley owners would prefer him to have a lesser QB than Aaron Rodgers, but that's the downside of being in a very deep, prolific offense.

 

[Da Guru]

interesting thread on the differences between WR and TE money.Rodgers just spreads the ball so much that it crushes the numbers Finley would get on most other teams.

Agreed. Finley could easily be putting up numbers on par with Gronk or Graham.

which is interesting because Brees and Brady are also known for spreading the ball around. Wonder why Gronkowski and Graham have become such big targets, but Finley hasn't?

The answer is easy, Jennings, Driver, Nelson and Jones are superior to Bradys WRs.

 

[zamboni]

interesting thread on the differences between WR and TE money.Rodgers just spreads the ball so much that it crushes the numbers Finley would get on most other teams.

Agreed. Finley could easily be putting up numbers on par with Gronk or Graham.

which is interesting because Brees and Brady are also known for spreading the ball around. Wonder why Gronkowski and Graham have become such big targets, but Finley hasn't?

The answer is easy, Jennings, Driver, Nelson and Jones are superior to Bradys WRs.

No doubt. Gronk and Hernandez really are the other WRs outside of Welker, as Branch makes a few plays and Ocho Cinco just showed up this past weekend. As for the Saints, outside of Colston, the WRs are pretty non-existent.

 

[Sabertooth]

I doubt he's back next season. He's a bit too mouthy for his production level.

 

[r0llin_game]

Can someone tell me the reason why Marcedes Lewis is making that much money. Probably the best question in this whole thread, lol.

 

[Luke Skywalker]

Agreed. Finley could easily be putting up numbers on par with Gronk or Graham.

I continually see this and the double-team argument made for Finley. Why are we supposed to take it as gospel? Sure, the guy is an outstanding physical talent, no one is doubting that. But those other guys produce, Finley doesn't.Eventually people are going to have to start admitting that Finley isn't all that he is hyped up to be.

 

[cr8f]

I periodically raise the issue in my league to change our TE slot to a TE/WR flex but get little support for it. Just throw aberrations like Graham and Gronkowski in with the rest of the WRs...

Graham and Gronkowski are actually used as blockers, and while I don't have game film or anything like that I'd wager that they are in traditional TE alignment more often than not.

Finley blocked a lot in the last game too. They like keeping him in line then moving him outside just before the snap (a few times a game).He's both but probably plays more TE than receiver.

 

[cr8f]

Agreed. Finley could easily be putting up numbers on par with Gronk or Graham.

I continually see this and the double-team argument made for Finley. Why are we supposed to take it as gospel? Sure, the guy is an outstanding physical talent, no one is doubting that. But those other guys produce, Finley doesn't.Eventually people are going to have to start admitting that Finley isn't all that he is hyped up to be.

That's because of the talent around him. The WR argument I think is free agency/agent talk, but the statement that he is overvalued isn't his fault.It was based on a small sample of what 6 games last season. Also if he stays healthy all year it will be his first.Many people said he was being overvalued.

 

[Luke Skywalker]

That's because of the talent around him.

Is it? I've seen several Packers games this year and he hasn't looked very good. He's been in the league way too long to still be this unpolished.

 

[Chicago Hooligan]

Eh, he's only 24. It's not like he's had knee injuries that will take years off his career like Winslow.

So it's reasonable to think that he will get better, and he's already looking at a 900/8 season or whatever right now.

Just because other TEs are suddenly producing big numbers without as much hype doesn't reduce Finley's market value. Having him under contract to age 28 or 29 will be worth a lot... to someone.

 

[Kitrick Taylor]

That's because of the talent around him.

Is it? I've seen several Packers games this year and he hasn't looked very good. He's been in the league way too long to still be this unpolished.

I realize you hate Finley, because you drafted him higher than Graham or Gronk, and didn't get the stud you were hoping for. Having watched EVERY game of his pro career, I can say without question that he demands more defensive attention than the WRs. Why that is true to this point I honestly have no idea. If I were trying to defend the Pack, I'd try to do something different than everybody else that has failed before. Take away Greg Jennings. Make Finley, Nelson, Driver and Jones beat you. It makes no sense to me why this hasn't been tried with more frequency yet. Its crazy how scared defensive coordinators have been of him, while Jennings tears them apart.

 

[Luke Skywalker]

I realize you hate Finley, because you drafted him higher than Graham or Gronk, and didn't get the stud you were hoping for. Having watched EVERY game of his pro career, I can say without question that he demands more defensive attention than the WRs. Why that is true to this point I honestly have no idea. If I were trying to defend the Pack, I'd try to do something different than everybody else that has failed before. Take away Greg Jennings. Make Finley, Nelson, Driver and Jones beat you. It makes no sense to me why this hasn't been tried with more frequency yet. Its crazy how scared defensive coordinators have been of him, while Jennings tears them apart.

First off, I don't "hate" him, I just don't think he's very good. I hate his hype.Secondly, he doesn't really show many signs of getting better. In fact he seems to have regressed quite a bit. Thirdly, he doesn't draw nearly the coverage many Packers fans claim. I've seen him singled up by a corner or safety well often enough to know that this is true.

 

[BoltBacker]

The thing that all three of those players attained before getting those deals were pro bowls. Finley doesn't have that on his resume.

Just imagine how difficult it would be for him to make the ProBowl if he was considered a WR?I think people misunderstand the TE position. Physical gifts and athletic ability aren't nearly the litmus test some people make it out to be. You can be an average athlete and a great TE, it's much more rare for WR's.

 

[gandalas]

Can someone tell me the reason why Marcedes Lewis is making that much money. Probably the best question in this whole thread, lol.

Apparently you missed last season with him? Great seasons in contract years usually end up with Big pay-days on the other side. 58 Catches for 700 yards and 10 TDs. Highest in any other season is 2 TDs (0 this year).

 

[cr8f]

That's because of the talent around him.

Is it? I've seen several Packers games this year and he hasn't looked very good. He's been in the league way too long to still be this unpolished.

Hasn't looked good how?I watch every one and don't agree with that assessment. His blocking is improving and he opens up plays for other players. He was overvalued based on a few games last year and Jennings was undervalued for the same reason. Neither are his fault. I think they are being more careful with him because they see him as a little fragile in traffic, but when they need him he does show up.He is averaging 5.3 targets per game and catches 68%. That's low for him, but the last 3 games he's at 76%.

I realize you hate Finley, because you drafted him higher than Graham or Gronk, and didn't get the stud you were hoping for. Having watched EVERY game of his pro career, I can say without question that he demands more defensive attention than the WRs. Why that is true to this point I honestly have no idea. If I were trying to defend the Pack, I'd try to do something different than everybody else that has failed before. Take away Greg Jennings. Make Finley, Nelson, Driver and Jones beat you. It makes no sense to me why this hasn't been tried with more frequency yet. Its crazy how scared defensive coordinators have been of him, while Jennings tears them apart.

First off, I don't "hate" him, I just don't think he's very good. I hate his hype.Secondly, he doesn't really show many signs of getting better. In fact he seems to have regressed quite a bit. Thirdly, he doesn't draw nearly the coverage many Packers fans claim. I've seen him singled up by a corner or safety well often enough to know that this is true.

I hated the hype too, but fantasy hype is his fault how?In one IDP dynasty I had him on RFA and got a bid of $60-I let him go got $50 and the 1.11 pick and took Randall Cobb. I then got Fred Davis for $8.That's hype for you, since he has never finished a season healthy.

 

[footballfever]

He's listed as 6'5, 247 lbs, which is a tight end body. He's a true tight end.