Is Josh Morgan worth anything at all? (1 Viewer)

[cstu]

Absolutely he has value because he'll be the #1 WR in SF when Crabtree turns out to be a bust.

 

[THE UNDERCOVER BROTHA]

someone in my league made one of the worst deals if ever seen....Morgan and a future 2nd for Reggie Wayne...and then hard never enough to try and justify it.

before the draft, now it looks incredibly horrible.

 

[thecardiackid]

Crabtree The 9'er passing game makes everyone else forget about other Niner WRs.

And it might just get worse, if that's possible. A defensive oriented, would love to run it all day coach - combined w/ serious ?s @ QB - looks like anyone counting on any SF WR as even a WR3 might be in for a long season in 09.Maybe I'm completely wrong, and one of the QBs will emerge, and the WRs will be effective, and they'll open up the playbook, and therefore SF will develop a FF relevant passing game.

Morgan had some upside before SF burned a early 1st on Crabtree - but as a WR2 on a 'meh' passing team I'd cut bait if there were any decent offers. SF will likely do their best to get Crabtree on the field early and often - and the experiment will last for at least 2-3 years. Boom or bust I just don't see how Morgan can be FF relevant anytime soon.

(Remotely) possible bye week filler / long shot development bench fodder - OK. Unless you're 30+ deep dynasty roster wise, I'd think there are better options.

 

[Lott's Fingertip]

Crabtree The 9'er passing game makes everyone else forget about other Niner WRs.

And it might just get worse, if that's possible. A defensive oriented, would love to run it all day coach - combined w/ serious ?s @ QB - looks like anyone counting on any SF WR as even a WR3 might be in for a long season in 09.Maybe I'm completely wrong, and one of the QBs will emerge, and the WRs will be effective, and they'll open up the playbook, and therefore SF will develop a FF relevant passing game.

Morgan had some upside before SF burned a early 1st on Crabtree - but as a WR2 on a 'meh' passing team I'd cut bait if there were any decent offers. SF will likely do their best to get Crabtree on the field early and often - and the experiment will last for at least 2-3 years. Boom or bust I just don't see how Morgan can be FF relevant anytime soon.

(Remotely) possible bye week filler / long shot development bench fodder - OK. Unless you're 30+ deep dynasty roster wise, I'd think there are better options.

As far as the Niners offense goes, they may not have the luxury of running as much as they would like. If they are playing from behind, they will have to pass more at some point. They threw for 3700 yards and 21 TDs last season. There is room for WR production in San Fran.

A 12 team league that starts 3-4 WR makes even modest producers useful. The team and their pick of Crabtree certainly limits Morgan's upside, but if he is the WR2, a line something like 50/650/5 is possible... and that makes him useful in larger leagues.

He is signed through 2011, so he is probably just end of bench fodder in many leagues. That is a long time to wait for him to get a chance on another team if San Fran doesn't provide the fertile passing ground needed for him to get some upside.

 

[cstu]

Crabtree The 9'er passing game makes everyone else forget about other Niner WRs.

And it might just get worse, if that's possible. A defensive oriented, would love to run it all day coach - combined w/ serious ?s @ QB - looks like anyone counting on any SF WR as even a WR3 might be in for a long season in 09.Maybe I'm completely wrong, and one of the QBs will emerge, and the WRs will be effective, and they'll open up the playbook, and therefore SF will develop a FF relevant passing game.

Morgan had some upside before SF burned a early 1st on Crabtree - but as a WR2 on a 'meh' passing team I'd cut bait if there were any decent offers. SF will likely do their best to get Crabtree on the field early and often - and the experiment will last for at least 2-3 years. Boom or bust I just don't see how Morgan can be FF relevant anytime soon.

(Remotely) possible bye week filler / long shot development bench fodder - OK. Unless you're 30+ deep dynasty roster wise, I'd think there are better options.

There have been quite a few top 10 busts who did little to stop another WR from performing: Williamson, BMW, Reggie Williams, Charles Rogers, David Terrell, Peter Warrick, Travis Taylor, etc...I do agree that the QB'ing situation will limit the numbers of all the receivers. I don't think SF will be a relevant passing team anytime soon.

 

[awesomeness]

Absolutely he has value because he'll be the #1 WR in SF when Crabtree turns out to be a bust.

 

[CBower4545]

WR46 is very high for a 6th round pick with 20 career catches. Most of the players picked in that range have a stronger track record and/or a better pedigree. The three players you mentioned were all more highly-regarded than Morgan by NFL scouts. Thomas and Smith were 2nd round picks. Tate was a 3rd round pick despite torn knee ligaments and failed drug test.

I think he's been a reach at his ADP the entire offseason, particularly before the 49ers took Crabtree. There's not enough substance there to justify the cost. He didn't have great production and he wasn't considered a special player entering the league. There's no objective reason to believe he's a special talent worth picking as high as he's been going.

He's an interesting sleeper candidate, but there are lots of those guys and most of them don't cost as much.

At this point it doesn't matter what scouts thought pre-draft, what matters is what the coaching staff and organization thinks of him now. From all reports SF is very high on him. Writers who cover SF, have said he looks "really really good" in minicamps. Morgan has provided reasons to be optimistic about him in the small amount of time we have seen him on the field. The drafting of Crabtree should not be taken as sign of the organizations confidence in Morgan, It's pretty obvious Crabtree was a BPA pick. There are reasons to like those players, thomas, smith and tate over morgan, but acting like they should not even be in the same group is just silly. If you are going to argue that point you have to give a better argument then one that revolves around completely outdated pre-draft information to be persuasive on that point.

 

[massraider]

This kid is getting a lot of mileage from a few nice catches in August.

I think a shark move is to pick up as many scrub WRs and RBs as youi can from any team playing a nationally televised preseason game, especially early in the preseason, then trade them as soon as they do anything.

 

[T Bell]

What were people paying that was too much?

I picked him up on waivers early in the season in a competitive 12 team league that start 3-4 WRs. In my other dynasty league I picked him up on waivers in July before the season. At no time did anybody offer me anything for him.

As far as his spot on the team, he is significantly better than Jason Hill. I liked Hill going into last season, but he looked slow to me on the field. Morgan looks much better.

I think Brandon Jones is a solid player when healthy, but not a fantasy option.

We'll see if San Fran chooses to get their best players on the field... if so, Morgan will be their WR2.

Me too. IMHO Josh Morgan was likely never going to be a NFL WR1, so Crabtree was probably the best thing that could have happened to him. Now the biggest question becomes whether the passing game can succeed with Hill enough so that Morgan can make his way into my lineup as a fantasy WR3.

 

[Gr00vus]

So I keep reading about people tabbing this guy as a huge sleeper/undervalued player. I keep thinking - don't their qbs suck hard enough for him to not matter much? So I go looking for a Josh Morgan thread and this is the most recently updated one I found - much of which seems to further my suspicion about the qbs. For those who are buying in to Morgan as a useful FF player this year - what kind of projections are you getting for him and the SF passing game in general?

 

[Todem]

So I keep reading about people tabbing this guy as a huge sleeper/undervalued player. I keep thinking - don't their qbs suck hard enough for him to not matter much? So I go looking for a Josh Morgan thread and this is the most recently updated one I found - much of which seems to further my suspicion about the qbs. For those who are buying in to Morgan as a useful FF player this year - what kind of projections are you getting for him and the SF passing game in general?

Sometimes more often than not the QB theroy is BS. I have seen good to great WR's get their numbers despite who is throwing the ball to them. Does it help them to have a stud QB...of course, but I don't let the QB issue weigh down too much on how evaluate the talent.Just look at what Calvin Johnson had throwing to him, take a look at what Herman Moore had throwing to him for years. How about Braylon Edwards 2 years ago, or Boldin before Warner, or Rod Smith after Elway or how about Tim Brown for so many years in Oakland's QB carosel. Everyone loved Dwayne Bowe before Cassal. Everyone has a chubby for Avery (before is injury) and he has a guy named Bulger who looks like he is running for his life the last 2 seasons. So Josh Morgan who will be SF #1 this year IMO70 receptions1100 Yards7 TD'sBig Time talent.

 

[Dragon1952]

So I keep reading about people tabbing this guy as a huge sleeper/undervalued player. I keep thinking - don't their qbs suck hard enough for him to not matter much? So I go looking for a Josh Morgan thread and this is the most recently updated one I found - much of which seems to further my suspicion about the qbs. For those who are buying in to Morgan as a useful FF player this year - what kind of projections are you getting for him and the SF passing game in general?

Shaun Hill may not be a Peyton Manning, but he did pass for 2046 yds and 13 TD's in just 8 games last year. Projected over 16 games, that would be 4092 yds, 26 TD's and 16 INT's.In his 8 games last year, he had a 303yd/2TD game vs Dallas, a 285yd/2TD game vs NYJ and a 429yd/4TD game vs StL. He had a t least 1 TD in all but 1 game.

 

[Faust]

So I keep reading about people tabbing this guy as a huge sleeper/undervalued player. I keep thinking - don't their qbs suck hard enough for him to not matter much? So I go looking for a Josh Morgan thread and this is the most recently updated one I found - much of which seems to further my suspicion about the qbs. For those who are buying in to Morgan as a useful FF player this year - what kind of projections are you getting for him and the SF passing game in general?

Shaun Hill may not be a Peyton Manning, but he did pass for 2046 yds and 13 TD's in just 8 games last year. Projected over 16 games, that would be 4092 yds, 26 TD's and 16 INT's.In his 8 games last year, he had a 303yd/2TD game vs Dallas, a 285yd/2TD game vs NYJ and a 429yd/4TD game vs StL. He had a t least 1 TD in all but 1 game.

It is dangerous to project Hill's 8 games to a full 16 game season - he padded his stats against some of the poorer defenses in the league

 

[Dragon1952]

So I keep reading about people tabbing this guy as a huge sleeper/undervalued player. I keep thinking - don't their qbs suck hard enough for him to not matter much? So I go looking for a Josh Morgan thread and this is the most recently updated one I found - much of which seems to further my suspicion about the qbs. For those who are buying in to Morgan as a useful FF player this year - what kind of projections are you getting for him and the SF passing game in general?

Shaun Hill may not be a Peyton Manning, but he did pass for 2046 yds and 13 TD's in just 8 games last year. Projected over 16 games, that would be 4092 yds, 26 TD's and 16 INT's.In his 8 games last year, he had a 303yd/2TD game vs Dallas, a 285yd/2TD game vs NYJ and a 429yd/4TD game vs StL. He had a t least 1 TD in all but 1 game.

It is dangerous to project Hill's 8 games to a full 16 game season - he padded his stats against some of the poorer defenses in the league

You could likely say that about many QB's. He had some poor games also so it probably evens out. But he is in the weakest div in NFL. According to FBG, he had 5 excellent starts out of 8. Yeah, it's hard to assume or project, but the point is he's hardly a stiff, and SF WR's aren't necessarily worthless due to QB issues.

 

[SammyJankis]

So I keep reading about people tabbing this guy as a huge sleeper/undervalued player. I keep thinking - don't their qbs suck hard enough for him to not matter much? So I go looking for a Josh Morgan thread and this is the most recently updated one I found - much of which seems to further my suspicion about the qbs. For those who are buying in to Morgan as a useful FF player this year - what kind of projections are you getting for him and the SF passing game in general?

I wouldn't sweat that too much. Believe it or not, the Niners are the only team with a QB competition where both QBs are constantly excelling. Not sure whether it will be A. Smith or Hill that starts, but I expect whoever starts to be effective.The blogger had this nugget today:

The San Francisco Chronicle reports quarterbacks Alex Smith and Shaun Hill - They just keep getting better. Hill was certainly ahead of Smith in the early part of the week because he was far more consistent. But Smith has retained his touch on the deep ball and improved his short passing. Both are making the defense look bad.

Disclaimer: I have Morgan in two dynasty leagues, but I am sky high on the kid. My main concern is how much Singletary will want to run the ball at the expense of the passing game. That being said, I think Morgan will clearly be the WR1 in this offense and can be had for a song in most leagues. Got to love the bang-for-the-buck ratio with Morgan.

 

[SammyJankis]

Just checked over at Antsports. Looking over their average draft info from the last two weeks. Right now Morgan is WR50 off the board (pick 12.11) in a 12 team league, behind: Muhsin Muhammad, Domenik Hixon, Hakeem Nicks and Jeremy Maclin.

Morgan = Value.

 

[derek19]

What rookie pick do you guys think Morgan is worth?

 

[Minnewildsota]

What rookie pick do you guys think Morgan is worth?

Depends on who has him and what type of league.Need more information before speculating what he should be traded for.

 

[wasted space 25]

What rookie pick do you guys think Morgan is worth?

I offered rookie pick 21 and was turned down. Our free agent draft is included with the rookie draft too.

 

[Michael Fox Fan]

Just checked over at Antsports. Looking over their average draft info from the last two weeks. Right now Morgan is WR50 off the board (pick 12.11) in a 12 team league, behind: Muhsin Muhammad, Domenik Hixon, Hakeem Nicks and Jeremy Maclin.Morgan = Value.

I'd rather have Morgan than any of those guys except Nicks.