Is JT a QB1? (1 Viewer)

[timschochet]

I picked up O'Sullivan last week off waivers and started him in place of Favre. That actually turned out to be the wrong move, but JT was fine. This week he's listed in the top ten, so I am starting him again.

My question is for the Shark Pool: try to look into the crystal ball- is O'Sullivan simply a situational QB you want to start only against really poor defenses (like last week and today)? Or is he an every week, top 10 starter, the guy you would pull only if the defense is REALLY good (say top 5).

What makes this question difficult for me is that I have yet to watch this guy play outside of highlights. Not that I am enough of a QB expert to really analyze his skills if I did watch him. But those who are, and who have seen him, what say you?

 

[gbill2004]

I'd need to see him perform for a few more weeks at a fairly high level before calling him a QB1 the rest of the season. Three weeks juts isn't enough to make that call.

 

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

I had Romo and Rogers. Made a nice trade with Rogers, and picked JT up off of the wire. However, I still think that it's too soon to know.

 

[hauser42]

Right now I have him as a #3 on my total points team. Brees, Rodgers, and JT. This is a 22 man roster league and I took JT after rd15. Trying to move Rodgers for a RB1 type.

JT is a fringe #1 at this point, but a couple of more solid efforts and he has to be considered as a 1. Martz offense puts up passing numbers no matter who is chucking the ball. If you ignore this fact, points are flashing by your eyes without taking advantages of it.

Martz offense numbers reminds me a lot of the old Run and Shoot days at Houston and Atlanta. It was always worth drafting those QBs and all the WRs on those teams. The number 3 & 4WR were good for bye weeks and matchups plays for fantasy owners.

 

[gbill2004]

I had Romo and Rogers. Made a nice trade with Rogers, and picked JT up off of the wire. However, I still think that it's too soon to know.

Just curious - who did you get for Rogers?

 

[doogiej]

I picked up O'Sullivan last week off waivers and started him in place of Favre. That actually turned out to be the wrong move, but JT was fine. This week he's listed in the top ten, so I am starting him again. My question is for the Shark Pool: try to look into the crystal ball- is O'Sullivan simply a situational QB you want to start only against really poor defenses (like last week and today)? Or is he an every week, top 10 starter, the guy you would pull only if the defense is REALLY good (say top 5).What makes this question difficult for me is that I have yet to watch this guy play outside of highlights. Not that I am enough of a QB expert to really analyze his skills if I did watch him. But those who are, and who have seen him, what say you?

I'm not an expert either, but a guy that knows a lot more about the position than anybody I know is Mike Martz. I'm not buying in to all the hyperbole that Martz spews regarding JTO, but the guy knows how to put together an offense that can move the football through the air. I drafted JTO in every league I could this year just due to the Martz factor.JT's skills don't jump off the screen at you when watching a game, but he puts the ball where it needs to be. He hits his guys in stride and gives them an opportunity for some yac. I also like the fact that he has a fairly soft schedule and that they will probably not be ahead very often by 21 points in the 4th quarter and be running the clock out.

 

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

I had Romo and Rogers. Made a nice trade with Rogers, and picked JT up off of the wire. However, I still think that it's too soon to know.

Just curious - who did you get for Rogers?

Well... it was part of a bigger plan. I traded Rogers and Ricky Williams to a Brady owner for Brandon Jacobs. This was directly after week 2. I then turned and traded Brandon Jacobs and Vincent Jackson for Frank Gore. PPR league.

 

[MDSkinner]

I am going to have to think that no he will not be a QB #1 the rest of the season. I think the schedule gets much tougher than AZ (which he stunk against), Seattle and Detroit.

I think he does very well this week against New Orleans, but I think with New England, Philly and the Giants coming up after that he will certainly struggle far more than he has over the last two weeks.

I think the guy is going to be solid from here on out, but I am not sure he is a top 10 guy from here on out.

 

[FFdork]

If by QB1 you mean finishing in the top 10 or 12 guys, he'll have a shot, but there are a lot of QBs that got off to slow starts that could still pass him.

Still, even if he finishes at QB14, he'll probably be maybe 1 point per game worse than the QB10. So I think he'll continue to be a borderline QB1 all year long. I've seen in a couple of leagues where guys drafted Brees and Rogers and then picked up O'Sullivan, which allowed them to move a Rogers while his trade value is so hot. That's a recipe for Championships right there.

Like the example I gave above, I'd still feel best with JT as my backup or at least having another decent QB to avoid some of his tough matchups and hedge against Martz getting him killed.

 

[Butters]

I still think he's a matchup play, but when he has a good matchup he can start over many of the top tier QBs. This week and last are good examples. But then the next three weeks are NE, Philly, and NYG. I don't plan to have him in the lineup of any of those games.

 

[facook]

I still think he's a matchup play, but when he has a good matchup he can start over many of the top tier QBs. This week and last are good examples. But then the next three weeks are NE, Philly, and NYG. I don't plan to have him in the lineup of any of those games.

Does the NE defense really scare you, especially with them on the road in SF? I'm starting O'Sullivan this week and next, and then QBBC with Favre the rest of the way.

 

[gigantor]

wtf - absolutely terrible against the saints today

 

[everydayj]

I'm hoping this is just a matter of the SF offense having a bad day. Let's see if JTO can flash skills again next week.

 

[[scooter]]

Wow, O'Sullivan was completely exposed today. What was once described as a deft ability to scramble out of the pocket.....has been revealed to be little more than a skittish deer in the headlights of an oncoming car.

I hope you guys got something good for him in a trade.

 

[Breesisdaman]

Back to my bench next week. I still love the schedule so he will have some big games. Saints defense is much improved.

 

[facook]

I still think he's a matchup play, but when he has a good matchup he can start over many of the top tier QBs. This week and last are good examples. But then the next three weeks are NE, Philly, and NYG. I don't plan to have him in the lineup of any of those games.

Does the NE defense really scare you, especially with them on the road in SF? I'm starting O'Sullivan this week and next, and then QBBC with Favre the rest of the way.

This right here is a perfect example of why I am SO mentally-challenged. And terrible at fantasy football. I may be the only person in America who had Favre on the bench for his best fantasy game EVER.

 

[Twilight]

Avoid JT on the road, except for division games. The Niners have been a horrible road team under Nolan, for whatever reason I don't know.

 

[Lobary]

I still think he's a matchup play, but when he has a good matchup he can start over many of the top tier QBs. This week and last are good examples. But then the next three weeks are NE, Philly, and NYG. I don't plan to have him in the lineup of any of those games.

Does the NE defense really scare you, especially with them on the road in SF? I'm starting O'Sullivan this week and next, and then QBBC with Favre the rest of the way.

This right here is a perfect example of why I am SO mentally-challenged. And terrible at fantasy football. I may be the only person in America who had Favre on the bench for his best fantasy game EVER.

Nah, many Yahoo players had him benched. You've a lot of company.

 

[[scooter]]

I still think he's a matchup play, but when he has a good matchup he can start over many of the top tier QBs. This week and last are good examples. But then the next three weeks are NE, Philly, and NYG. I don't plan to have him in the lineup of any of those games.

Does the NE defense really scare you, especially with them on the road in SF? I'm starting O'Sullivan this week and next, and then QBBC with Favre the rest of the way.

This right here is a perfect example of why I am SO mentally-challenged. And terrible at fantasy football. I may be the only person in America who had Favre on the bench for his best fantasy game EVER.

Nah, many Yahoo players had him benched. You've a lot of company.

I benched him for Rivers.

 

[facook]

I still think he's a matchup play, but when he has a good matchup he can start over many of the top tier QBs. This week and last are good examples. But then the next three weeks are NE, Philly, and NYG. I don't plan to have him in the lineup of any of those games.

Does the NE defense really scare you, especially with them on the road in SF? I'm starting O'Sullivan this week and next, and then QBBC with Favre the rest of the way.

This right here is a perfect example of why I am SO mentally-challenged. And terrible at fantasy football. I may be the only person in America who had Favre on the bench for his best fantasy game EVER.

Nah, many Yahoo players had him benched. You've a lot of company.

I benched him for Rivers.

I love you guys.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Hes my QB1 w/ Orton on the BN in one of my leagues... luckly INTs are only -1 there so I feel good about him.

But its hard to trust him... he takes a load of sacks, theres a good chance he won't finish the season... he could get hurt right at Playoff time for us.

 

[packersfan]

I agree with the poster above who said O'Sullivan got exposed this week. Considering how awful the Saints' D is, his performance wasn't very good. Even more discouraging for fantasy owners is he managed a meager two TD passes in prime matchups against Detroit and New Orleans. That doesn't bode well for his matchups against better teams - such as the Patriots in Week 5. I know New England's D looked putrid against Miami, but something tells me giving Belichick two weeks to prepare for O'Sullivan and get his team figured out will not result in a good day for O'Sullivan next week. I'd say he's gone from having Top 10 potential to being a Top 15-20 guy if everything falls right for him.

 

[cubbie5150]

I agree w/ the assessment that JTO should be started when playing at home; 49ers have definitely showed a penchant for not looking good on the road the past several years. Guys in my 12 team league never bought into him. I picked him up off waivers, and best I could do was trade him for a backup RB in a RBBC situation (Sammy Morris). I still own Cutler & Schaub, so I'm not crying over no longer owning JTO, but I wish JTO's perceived value would've been higher (in my league) so I could've gotten more for him.

 

[thammond]

I drafted Hasselback and Bulger. I picked up JT 2 weeks ago in desperation and started him the last 2 weeks. I'm thinking that I will probably be switching between Hasselback and JT depending on matchups. If I had to guess, I would predict JT will end up around 14th for QB's at the end of the year.

 

[Breesisdaman]

I agree with the poster above who said O'Sullivan got exposed this week. Considering how awful the Saints' D is, his performance wasn't very good. Even more discouraging for fantasy owners is he managed a meager two TD passes in prime matchups against Detroit and New Orleans. That doesn't bode well for his matchups against better teams - such as the Patriots in Week 5. I know New England's D looked putrid against Miami, but something tells me giving Belichick two weeks to prepare for O'Sullivan and get his team figured out will not result in a good day for O'Sullivan next week. I'd say he's gone from having Top 10 potential to being a Top 15-20 guy if everything falls right for him.

The Saints are doing pretty well with Sacks , I think they are towards the top of the league in that dept. They have made a lot of offseason moves that have not seen much results mainly due to injuries to key players like Fujita and Mike McKenzie etc. plus Tracy Porter who was taken with the Saints 2nd draft pick after they took Sedrick Ellis is just now starting to emerge. I am not calling them a good defense by any means but you may want to consider them a sleeper. Especially with starters returning.

 

[packersfan]

I agree with the poster above who said O'Sullivan got exposed this week. Considering how awful the Saints' D is, his performance wasn't very good. Even more discouraging for fantasy owners is he managed a meager two TD passes in prime matchups against Detroit and New Orleans. That doesn't bode well for his matchups against better teams - such as the Patriots in Week 5. I know New England's D looked putrid against Miami, but something tells me giving Belichick two weeks to prepare for O'Sullivan and get his team figured out will not result in a good day for O'Sullivan next week. I'd say he's gone from having Top 10 potential to being a Top 15-20 guy if everything falls right for him.

The Saints are doing pretty well with Sacks , I think they are towards the top of the league in that dept. They have made a lot of offseason moves that have not seen much results mainly due to injuries to key players like Fujita and Mike McKenzie etc. plus Tracy Porter who was taken with the Saints 2nd draft pick after they took Sedrick Ellis is just now starting to emerge. I am not calling them a good defense by any means but you may want to consider them a sleeper. Especially with starters returning.

The sacks didn't surprise me. But given how the 49ers were in heavy pass mode for nearly the entire game and all O'Sullivan could do was throw for 1 TD was a major disappointment. The Saints' defense has been getting torched all season so far. That was a prime matchup for O'Sullivan from a fantasy perspective and he didn't deliver. He wasn't terrible but only 1 TD against the Saints is very disappointing.

 

[Breesisdaman]

I agree with the poster above who said O'Sullivan got exposed this week. Considering how awful the Saints' D is, his performance wasn't very good. Even more discouraging for fantasy owners is he managed a meager two TD passes in prime matchups against Detroit and New Orleans. That doesn't bode well for his matchups against better teams - such as the Patriots in Week 5. I know New England's D looked putrid against Miami, but something tells me giving Belichick two weeks to prepare for O'Sullivan and get his team figured out will not result in a good day for O'Sullivan next week. I'd say he's gone from having Top 10 potential to being a Top 15-20 guy if everything falls right for him.

The Saints are doing pretty well with Sacks , I think they are towards the top of the league in that dept. They have made a lot of offseason moves that have not seen much results mainly due to injuries to key players like Fujita and Mike McKenzie etc. plus Tracy Porter who was taken with the Saints 2nd draft pick after they took Sedrick Ellis is just now starting to emerge. I am not calling them a good defense by any means but you may want to consider them a sleeper. Especially with starters returning.

The sacks didn't surprise me. But given how the 49ers were in heavy pass mode for nearly the entire game and all O'Sullivan could do was throw for 1 TD was a major disappointment. The Saints' defense has been getting torched all season so far. That was a prime matchup for O'Sullivan from a fantasy perspective and he didn't deliver. He wasn't terrible but only 1 TD against the Saints is very disappointing.

Roman Harper, Mike McKenzie and to some extent Tracy Porter, were out in the games the Saints got "Tourched" I saw a big boost to the defense with those guys back in the fold . Gay and Glenn are still out however.And the running game?Gore wasnt much better when he did get his chances

 

[[scooter]]

Wow, O'Sullivan was completely exposed today. What was once described as a deft ability to scramble out of the pocket.....has been revealed to be little more than a skittish deer in the headlights of an oncoming car.I hope you guys got something good for him in a trade.

x2

 

[packersfan]

He looks like a bad junior varsity QB out there sometimes. His last decision of the game today was something you'd see an 8th grader do. But from a fantasy perspective, it's hard to argue with the 3 TDs. If he can stay healthy, I think he has a chance to be a Top 10-15 QB but he'll probably end up in the 15-20 range.

I do think he's a good recipe for opposing defenses, though. The Patriots didn't get many sacks against him today but they did get three INTs. So if you're playing defenses by committee, starting the defense facing the 49ers each week probably isn't a bad way to go.

 

[cubbie5150]

Best I could get for JTO was Sammy Morris.......and at this point, I feel lucky to have gotten that much, even if I never use Sammy

 

[packersfan]

JTO faces the Eagles next week. I'd put the over/under on sacks at ...

15

 

[TommyGilmore]

It's not just the O-line. O'Sullivan just doesn't "look" like a starting quarterback. He has no poise. He runs awkwardly. He throws off the wrong foot (causing the ball to float). He throws sidearm (also causing the ball to float). He holds on to the ball too long.

You can look at his stats (82.2 passer rating, 7 TDs, 6 INTs) and say, "Well, that's not bad for a guy who was a career backup". But that's the point -- he's putting up "career backup" numbers. Joey Harrington got booted from 2 teams for putting up similar stats.

 

[FavreCo]

JTO faces the Eagles next week. I'd put the over/under on sacks at ...15

Current season projections of 76 may need to be bumped up. Can Martz be charged with any sort of crime for the abuse he forces them to take?

 

[FavreCo]

It's not just the O-line. O'Sullivan just doesn't "look" like a starting quarterback. He has no poise. He runs awkwardly. He throws off the wrong foot (causing the ball to float). He throws sidearm (also causing the ball to float). He holds on to the ball too long.

You can look at his stats (82.2 passer rating, 7 TDs, 6 INTs) and say, "Well, that's not bad for a guy who was a career backup". But that's the point -- he's putting up "career backup" numbers. Joey Harrington got booted from 2 teams for putting up similar stats.

I beleive that falls under the Martz QB job description. 'Must be able to hold onto the ball for extended periods of time, regardless of pass rush'. 'Must be willing to lead the league in sacks' is also a requirement.

 

[everydayj]

It's not just the O-line. O'Sullivan just doesn't "look" like a starting quarterback. He has no poise. He runs awkwardly. He throws off the wrong foot (causing the ball to float). He throws sidearm (also causing the ball to float). He holds on to the ball too long.

You can look at his stats (82.2 passer rating, 7 TDs, 6 INTs) and say, "Well, that's not bad for a guy who was a career backup". But that's the point -- he's putting up "career backup" numbers. Joey Harrington got booted from 2 teams for putting up similar stats.

I beleive that falls under the Martz QB job description. 'Must be able to hold onto the ball for extended periods of time, regardless of pass rush'. 'Must be willing to lead the league in sacks' is also a requirement.

You have to wonder if Martz ever made a push for David Carr based on those requirements.

 

[packersfan]

JTO faces the Eagles next week. I'd put the over/under on sacks at ...15

Current season projections of 76 may need to be bumped up. Can Martz be charged with any sort of crime for the abuse he forces them to take?

The Eagles could get 76 sacks in this game alone. This is going to be seriously ugly. To all JTO owners - good luck if you start him. You're gonna need it.

 

[FavreCo]

It's not just the O-line. O'Sullivan just doesn't "look" like a starting quarterback. He has no poise. He runs awkwardly. He throws off the wrong foot (causing the ball to float). He throws sidearm (also causing the ball to float). He holds on to the ball too long.

You can look at his stats (82.2 passer rating, 7 TDs, 6 INTs) and say, "Well, that's not bad for a guy who was a career backup". But that's the point -- he's putting up "career backup" numbers. Joey Harrington got booted from 2 teams for putting up similar stats.

I beleive that falls under the Martz QB job description. 'Must be able to hold onto the ball for extended periods of time, regardless of pass rush'. 'Must be willing to lead the league in sacks' is also a requirement.

You have to wonder if Martz ever made a push for David Carr based on those requirements.

That is one guy that even Martz couldn't say 'he's the best QB I have ever coached'. Love that phrase. He could get Carr, 200+ sacks with his system. Carr would become a legend.

 

[[scooter]]

Wow, O'Sullivan was completely exposed today. What was once described as a deft ability to scramble out of the pocket.....has been revealed to be little more than a skittish deer in the headlights of an oncoming car.I hope you guys got something good for him in a trade.

x2

x3I think it's time to end the J.T. O'Sullivan Experiment.

 

[AllVolUT]

It won't get any easier for JTO, as he has to travel to New York to face the Giants next week.

 

[TommyGilmore]

I'm torn here. On the one hand, the Niners have a very soft schedule coming up.......but on the other hand, I'd like to see what Shaun Hill has to offer. He played pretty well last season although he was terrible in preseason this year.

Either way, whoever starts at QB vs. St. Louis is going to be a QB1 fantasy-wise.