Amused to Death
Footballguy
What if Vick's name was 'Brady'? Would he still hit the bench in favor of Collins? FWIW, Collins is *not* the #1 rated QB this week. YMMV.
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Is Kerry Collins a top 10 QB this week? (1 Viewer)
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Frank Black
Footballguy
I have the same dilema between Collins and Garrard.Magnum said:
unckeyherb
Footballguy
exact same boat. Just grabbed Collins off waivers. Plan on starting him.MaxPower said:
For this to stay in the Shark Pool - please keep the discussion back to Collins and not a "should I start this guy on my team over that guy".
Thanks.
J
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Ned
Footballguy
He's a pass rusher. +1 for Collins.
Clifford
Footballguy
The only real worry I have is a total meltdown. The matchup couldn't be better: revenge game for Tennessee going against the worst pass d in the league by a wide margin. Also sixth-best run D. Also have a high-powered offense that can put up big numbers. All signs point to a shoot-out.
goldenchild
Footballguy
I was just bout to post this.Comments for those of use that haven't been following TEN much this season?
scrumptrulescent
Footballguy
2 weeks ago is 2 weeks ago. Peyton Manning put up 186 yards and a goose egg at home against the Bungals this year. And Rivers put up 185 and a goose egg in what was supposed to be a shootout in Indy.It happens. But for some of us who don't have anything better going (lost Romo and have never fully recovered), we'll give this a try based on matchup.
unckeyherb
Footballguy
what are people expecting from him numbers wise? Another 250/3TD day possible again?
Team Smokin'
Footballguy
I too am consider the Collins / Britt combo. I think Britt will be huge...means it's Collins getting him the ball.Other choices are some mentioned in this thread: Big Ben, Kitna, Collins, Garrard, or Cassel. What are supposed to do?I cannot believe I am considering Collins, however, he has a great matchup...just hope both teams come to play and there is no blowout.
degenerate
Footballguy
'the breakdown' on espn doesnt like collins very much. what do we make of their comments?
ourmanflint
Footballguy
Well put.This is the underdog swing for the fences play.
Kleck
Footballguy
Do any Titans homers, or anyone who may have a link to individual penalty stats, know if Tennessee tends to be more penalized on offense or defense? Especially looking for offensive holding or offensive pass interference penalties.
Tenn ranks 4th most in penalties per game at 7.7 (7.9 at home). I've read that Scott Green's crew will be officiating the Titans game this week, and through week 13 his crew threw the fewest flags according to an article posted on the Philly NBC Sports Blog. His crew has also been criticized for many missed/blown calls.
Just trying to decide if this helps/hurts the Titans offense this week. Knowing how often Houston is called for defensive pass interference would help too. And yes, I'm probably way over-thinking Collins this week.
Tenn ranks 4th most in penalties per game at 7.7 (7.9 at home). I've read that Scott Green's crew will be officiating the Titans game this week, and through week 13 his crew threw the fewest flags according to an article posted on the Philly NBC Sports Blog. His crew has also been criticized for many missed/blown calls.
Just trying to decide if this helps/hurts the Titans offense this week. Knowing how often Houston is called for defensive pass interference would help too. And yes, I'm probably way over-thinking Collins this week.
I might be in the minority here, but I tend to agree. Granted that the Texans defense is bad, but they did shut the Titans out a couple weeks back. I know it was with Rusty Smith, but really how much faith do you have in Collins? And the Titans still a bad team. I'd rather go with Campbell, Garrard, or Cutler. Collins could be decent for one week I suppose, but I wouldn't bet on it.
Damn this is a tough one. Collins has only had 2 games with multiple TD passes this year and had a horrific game 2 weeks ago. How do you put your FF season on the line with that?
ANSWERKEY: The opponent is the Texans. In 13 games, 11 QB's threw 2+ TDs. McNabb only threw 1 TD but had 400+yds. Rusty Smith couldn't manage a TD in his first NFL start.
It seems like a LOCK that Collins throws 2 TD's but it's still tough to start him over a season-long starter like Garrard, Freeman, or Eli.
ANSWERKEY: The opponent is the Texans. In 13 games, 11 QB's threw 2+ TDs. McNabb only threw 1 TD but had 400+yds. Rusty Smith couldn't manage a TD in his first NFL start.
It seems like a LOCK that Collins throws 2 TD's but it's still tough to start him over a season-long starter like Garrard, Freeman, or Eli.
Yes, but a couple of other things. One, Mario Williams is out. Two, Britt is back. And additionally, when teams meet for a second time, the winner tends to keep doing what they did the last time, the loser plans around it. So I am not sure that the previous game is that much of an issue. Remember Collins hung a big loss on the Eagles early in the season.But, on any given Sunday...
Breesisdaman
Footballguy
none unless Kerry is knocked unconscious.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Kerry Collins is a pretty old QB at this point. He certainly has not bee the model of consistency in the last 4-5 years, bouncing about and finding a home finally in Tennessee where he was removed just a couple games into Young's rookie year. I can understand people rolling with Collins but there is also a good chance fo a 200 yd, 1TD/1Int peformance and a big day from Chris Johnson where they don't have to put the ball in the air all that much.
I would say Collins chances of a below 15 point performance are probably 50/50, chances of a 20-25+ peformance more like 10-20% at best. I knowHouton has a pretty vacant secondary but you are putting a lot fo faith in him. If Moss were actually looking like Moss I would like it alot better but at this point defenses should know to just shut down Britt and spread out from there.
This just has that feeling of strong play on paper and then snake eyes on the roll out. Good luck to those that have to use him. It certainly spurs some optimism for Rodgers owners.
I would say Collins chances of a below 15 point performance are probably 50/50, chances of a 20-25+ peformance more like 10-20% at best. I knowHouton has a pretty vacant secondary but you are putting a lot fo faith in him. If Moss were actually looking like Moss I would like it alot better but at this point defenses should know to just shut down Britt and spread out from there.
This just has that feeling of strong play on paper and then snake eyes on the roll out. Good luck to those that have to use him. It certainly spurs some optimism for Rodgers owners.
Breesisdaman
Footballguy
Like you said MOP its a boom or bust pick. I see it alot like playing Vincent Jackson. It was a gamble that paid off for some owners. I certainly agree that with Collins you take a bit of risk. I decided to roll with Kitna because although the ceiling isnt quite as high, the basement prospects are not as low.
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wilked
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Ya, that was the deciding factor for me.I now have him in as a definite starter...
Black&Gold
Footballguy
I looked back at my league and every QB other than Rusty Smith put up 30+ points every week. Actually I think Collins is a pretty safe start. I'm the #1 seed and am looking for a safe solid 25 points. I don't see him as a swing for the fences move at all. I've got him in over Roethlisberger and Sanchez.
wilked
Footballguy
Here's the numbers in my league for every QB to face Houston. What you see is passing attempts-completions, yards, TD-INT, and game rank (ie, week 1 vs Houston was Peyton's #1 scoring game of the season)
Peyton: 40-57, 433, 3-0, 33 (1)McNabb: 28-38, 426, 1-0, 25 (1)Romo: 23-30, 284, 2-0, 22 (3)Gradkowski: 24-39, 278, 2-2, 18 (1)Eli: 27-42, 297, 3-2, 22 (4)Cassell: 20-29, 3-0, 22 (3)ByePeyton: 25-45, 268, 2-0, 23 (5)Rivers: 17-23, 295, 4-1, 28 (2)Garrard: 24-31, 342, 2-0, 28 (2)Sanchez: 22-38, 315, 3-1, 27 (1)Rusty Smith: 17-31, 138, 0-3, 0 (2)Vick: 22-33, 302, 2-1, 31 (3)Flacco: 22-33, 235, 2-0, 19 (7)
So what do we see? First, Rusty Smith is the outlier (and terrible), those numbers get thrown out immediately. For all others, QB points range from 18-33, with an average score of 24.83 points per week. 10 out of 12 QBs had one of their 3 best games of the season (fantasy wise), with 4 having their best.
As long as you have confidence that Collins is no Rusty Smith, I am not sure how you could not have complete confidence in starting him. The numbers don't lie.
If you have a Rivers/Brady/Peyton/Vick/Brees/Flacco/Schaub, then maybe you don't screw around with a good thing. I wouldn't. But if you have anyone else, I can't see starting them over Collins this week
Peyton: 40-57, 433, 3-0, 33 (1)McNabb: 28-38, 426, 1-0, 25 (1)Romo: 23-30, 284, 2-0, 22 (3)Gradkowski: 24-39, 278, 2-2, 18 (1)Eli: 27-42, 297, 3-2, 22 (4)Cassell: 20-29, 3-0, 22 (3)ByePeyton: 25-45, 268, 2-0, 23 (5)Rivers: 17-23, 295, 4-1, 28 (2)Garrard: 24-31, 342, 2-0, 28 (2)Sanchez: 22-38, 315, 3-1, 27 (1)Rusty Smith: 17-31, 138, 0-3, 0 (2)Vick: 22-33, 302, 2-1, 31 (3)Flacco: 22-33, 235, 2-0, 19 (7)
So what do we see? First, Rusty Smith is the outlier (and terrible), those numbers get thrown out immediately. For all others, QB points range from 18-33, with an average score of 24.83 points per week. 10 out of 12 QBs had one of their 3 best games of the season (fantasy wise), with 4 having their best.
As long as you have confidence that Collins is no Rusty Smith, I am not sure how you could not have complete confidence in starting him. The numbers don't lie.
If you have a Rivers/Brady/Peyton/Vick/Brees/Flacco/Schaub, then maybe you don't screw around with a good thing. I wouldn't. But if you have anyone else, I can't see starting them over Collins this week
GoNads
Footballguy
That's going to be my play as well. As soon as Rodgers got knocked out of the game, I put in my waiver claim for Collins since I also have Britt. Lucky to have survived the first rd because of a bye, but my opponent is a high scorer, and I need fire power. I am the underdog, and a conservative approach would get me nowhere. Good luck to all of us Rodgers owners who are going with Collins; hopefully he gets us to the big one!
(Rodgers owner chiming in) Pretty sure this thread has me convinced to bench Freeman and start Collins.
Another factor in my mind... which would apply to any of you who (1) have bad matchups for your RB/WR, thus expecting below-average production, and (2) playing against Rivers and/or VJax, thus already down a bunch of points. My thinking is Collins, despite only 3 starts this year, has much more upside. Collins has 2 games with more points than Freeman's highest output. Freeman's consistent and a lock for 15-25 pts, but I need the 30+ pts to keep up with my opponent and I think Collins has a better chance of getting there against the Texans.
Another factor in my mind... which would apply to any of you who (1) have bad matchups for your RB/WR, thus expecting below-average production, and (2) playing against Rivers and/or VJax, thus already down a bunch of points. My thinking is Collins, despite only 3 starts this year, has much more upside. Collins has 2 games with more points than Freeman's highest output. Freeman's consistent and a lock for 15-25 pts, but I need the 30+ pts to keep up with my opponent and I think Collins has a better chance of getting there against the Texans.
Balco
Footballguy
As a Rodgers owner, I may have no other choice (to start him).
Going with Collins over Matt Hasselback.
HookAndSliceSince1991
Footballguy
I'm in the exact same situation (Rodgers, Freeman, Collins). I'm starting Collins as well. Rationale is I beleive Collins has a higher upside than Josh given the matchups this week. I believe I'll need more than Freeman's usual output to win.
One more reason for me - my opponent is starting Scaife and Britt - if they score, Collins needs to be in the game. Since I also have CJ, I'm OK with a big Tennessee running day that takes two players off my opponents team.
One more reason for me - my opponent is starting Scaife and Britt - if they score, Collins needs to be in the game. Since I also have CJ, I'm OK with a big Tennessee running day that takes two players off my opponents team.
CA_7
Footballguy
Kerry also had no Britt and were still trying to work in the most expensive decoy in the world, Randy MossFWIW, I am rolling with Kerry over Garrard and Cassel with no Rodgers
unckeyherb
Footballguy
good post MOP. I don't start him with 100% confidence, but it really comes down to your options. I've got Ben and Cutler and frankly, I don't view them as having any higher a floor than Collins; Collins has a much higher ceiling however. In other words, all three have potential of putting up a 200/1/1 day. I see Collins as the only one with having the potential of producing a 250+/3/1 or better day. As others have said:-worst defense against the pass-check-WR1 Kenny Britt back in the mix-check-Good running game to further exploit crappy defense-check-neither team has much to play for, meaning more of a pop-warner-no-defense-type of high scoring game-checkIts the playoffs and luck favors the bold. I am starting him.
Have you run the options on Madden?
Team Smokin'
Footballguy
I'm waffling between Kitna and Collins now...Big Ben still in the mix as well.
shadyridr
Footballguy
I have Big Ben too. Please dont confuse me any further lol
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Does everyone feel Collins is a stronger play then Kitna this week?
banjomatic
Footballguy
I can't believe I'm struggling over Kitna or Collins for my playoff life. Leaning towards Collins with the juicy matchup vs. HOU.
degenerate
Footballguy
i have kitna vs collins and right now i have collins based on this thread and dallas/wash might be more low scoring, run oriented with grossman
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Max Maximus
Footballguy
Debating between Collins and Campbell.. leaning towards Collins (80% chance of rain at OAK)
Yep, I'm in the same boat. I was considering Cutler but the weather situation scares the hell out of me. I rolled the dice on Vincent Jackson this week when I pulled him off waivers, so now I'm rolling the dice again on Collins. Fortunately Jackson covered the points I needed from QB and WR so anything I can get out of Collins is icing on the cake.As a Rodgers owner, I may have no other choice (to start him).
BoomBoom
Footballguy
Madden ESPN sim - Collins terribleI'm rolling with Collins over Freeman - you asked for the Madden sim results...here you go.DiStefano said:
tarheel4ever
Footballguy
The most important point of the entire thread is the ceiling. Right now, your Big Bens, Cutlers, Flaccos with probably be solid, but not likely to be huge based on their matchups or potentially rotten weather. Collins has the best chance of outperforming. It's probably going to be the last time that Moss is going to get the opportunity to show that he shouldn't be ignored. I say go for the gold because unless your name is Manning, Rivers, Brees, or Brady.unckeyherb said:
So yeah, I've had Kitna over Collins all week but I think I'm going to switch over to Collins. Against Houston, even if your QB has a bad week it turns out to decent fantasy stats. I'm willing to overlook Rusty's game because well, he shouldn't be considered an NFL quarterback. Collins really hasn't played that many full games this year. The three games he started and finished were against Philly, Jacksonville, and Indiana. He tanked one of those, did good in one, and great in the other. His tanked game looks bad and Rusty sucked vs Houston but really, things have changed since then. The defense coming up is worse than his past three, he is past the injury, he has been practicing as the starting QB and building chemistry, he has all his weapons, Houston can make it a shootout, they will focus on CJ again, and several bad QBs had serviceable games against them.
As for Kitna, he is off his hot streak and only doing decent, Rex is not going to force a shootout, dallas is down on weapons and has shown a willingness to run, washington has actually showed up a couple times and shutdown several QBs (Cutler, Favre, Eli, and Vince Young) so it's not like they are automatically going to give you a good game like houston. Good QBs don't automatically kill them either (Romo and Rodgers only had 1 TD games). I think Collins and Kitna have the same floor.
There are no signs that say Collins will bust this week. He could, just like any other QB and he doesn't have a great track record but that doesn't mean he will. It only means it's possible. It's really a matter of confidence. He is likely to have an average to great week. 250 yards, 1 TD, and 1 INT for around 13 fpt sounds like a good baseline and that would put him right around the same amount of fantasy points Bruce Gradkowski got against Houston in week 4. Not a reach at all.
As for Kitna, he is off his hot streak and only doing decent, Rex is not going to force a shootout, dallas is down on weapons and has shown a willingness to run, washington has actually showed up a couple times and shutdown several QBs (Cutler, Favre, Eli, and Vince Young) so it's not like they are automatically going to give you a good game like houston. Good QBs don't automatically kill them either (Romo and Rodgers only had 1 TD games). I think Collins and Kitna have the same floor.
There are no signs that say Collins will bust this week. He could, just like any other QB and he doesn't have a great track record but that doesn't mean he will. It only means it's possible. It's really a matter of confidence. He is likely to have an average to great week. 250 yards, 1 TD, and 1 INT for around 13 fpt sounds like a good baseline and that would put him right around the same amount of fantasy points Bruce Gradkowski got against Houston in week 4. Not a reach at all.
