Is LaDainian Tomlinson washed up? (1 Viewer)

[perry147]

The big question is why SD runs the ball so little?

They can't run block. It's that simple.

Captain obvious to the rescue.

 

[Knobs]

I don't recall LT getting any catches last night. Did I miss that or has Sproles taken over that role for good?

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

I don't recall LT getting any catches last night. Did I miss that or has Sproles taken over that role for good?

Tomlinson and Sproles each had one reception.Sproles was targeted once. Tomlinson was targeted twice but dropped one. (I think Tomlinson will be listed as being targeted four times, but aside from the one catch and one drop, Rivers was purposely throwing the ball away in Tomlinson's direction on the others.)

 

[Banger]

The big question is why SD runs the ball so little?

They can't run block. It's that simple.

and their defense can't off the field and are giving up points (7's not 3's). Last night the Steelers ran more than twice the plays that the Chargers did in the 1st half...the defense couldn't get a stop, couldn't muster much of a pass rush, couldn't stop the run or the pass. It's just like last year, when your defense can't get off the field and are giving up points it results in fewer plays overall, fewer rushing plays and more passing plays (for the need to catch up). I thought that would change with Merriman back but with him hurting and Jamal out it's been a disaster.

 

[Knobs]

He's getting a lot of work tonight and imo he's looking pretty good. He's making sharp cuts.

 

[Banger]

He's getting a lot of work tonight and imo he's looking pretty good. He's making sharp cuts.

he'll be ok.

 

[Sweetness_34]

7 pts in a PPR league for LT in 1 quarter .... those "he is washed up" folks can come back now and eat crow here.

 

[CaptainObvious]

The big question is why SD runs the ball so little?

They can't run block. It's that simple.

Captain obvious to the rescue.

 

[Avery]

7 pts in a PPR league for LT in 1 quarter .... those "he is washed up" folks can come back now and eat crow here.

Overreacting in the opposite direction as others overreacted is still overreacting... :X

 

[kyoun1e]

LT is not LT anymore.

Looks slow. No quickness.

He's had open space a couple times. In the past, gone for long gainer if not a TD.

He's just another RB now.

Anybody that doesn't see this is kidding themselves. Unless they never watched LT in his prime.

KY

 

[PizzaDeliveryGuy]

LT is not LT anymore.Looks slow. No quickness.He's had open space a couple times. In the past, gone for long gainer if not a TD.He's just another RB now.Anybody that doesn't see this is kidding themselves. Unless they never watched LT in his prime.KY

Man, I don't know.Tonight.He looks pretty good.Maybe this is a.Resurgence.

 

[VTjkru]

LT is not LT anymore.

Looks slow. No quickness.

He's had open space a couple times. In the past, gone for long gainer if not a TD.

He's just another RB now.

Anybody that doesn't see this is kidding themselves. Unless they never watched LT in his prime.

KY

I'm thinking people are forgetting just how good he use to be. That last drive the Chargers had (Vincent Jackson TD catch) was a prime example. LT got the ball on an off tackle run and in my head I thought "automatic TD" but he didnt turn the corner fast enough, he was slowed by the first arm tackle, and then ultimately tackled after about 4 yards. Definitely not how I remembered LT.

 

[Dought Man]

7 pts in a PPR league for LT in 1 quarter .... those "he is washed up" folks can come back now and eat crow here.

Yep, good of you to use a nice large sample size. The shark pool appreciates you not jumping to any quick conclusions.

 

[Sweetness_34]

He looks good to me....if only the blocking was a little better, that would help. But as an LT owner, I can start him with confidence going forward. His schedule eases up too now with the AFC West Patsies ....

 

[fruity pebbles]

Put me in the camp who thinks he looks slow as well. He still has the great instincts, just can't get to where he wants to go.

 

[Avery]

He looks good to me....if only the blocking was a little better, that would help. But as an LT owner, I can start him with confidence going forward. His schedule eases up too now with the AFC West Patsies ....

At about 3.4 ypc so far today at about the half, I can't wait to see how excited you get if he actually starts to play well.

 

[Touchdown Syndrome]

He looks good to me....if only the blocking was a little better, that would help. But as an LT owner, I can start him with confidence going forward. His schedule eases up too now with the AFC West Patsies ....

Totally, bro!!!1!!Look out McgAhee...there might be a new Steal Of Da Draft!!

 

[Steady Mooobin]

LT is not LT anymore.

Looks slow. No quickness.

He's had open space a couple times. In the past, gone for long gainer if not a TD.

He's just another RB now.

Anybody that doesn't see this is kidding themselves. Unless they never watched LT in his prime.

KY

I'm thinking people are forgetting just how good he use to be. That last drive the Chargers had (Vincent Jackson TD catch) was a prime example. LT got the ball on an off tackle run and in my head I thought "automatic TD" but he didnt turn the corner fast enough, he was slowed by the first arm tackle, and then ultimately tackled after about 4 yards. Definitely not how I remembered LT.

Never got the love for LT from a non fantasy perspective. I would take 10 backs over him without even thinking. He played in a horrendeous division his entire career, has absoulty zero defining moment, other then sitting on the sideline injured in the playoffs.Real quick, off the top of my head....

Jim Brown

OJ Simpson

Barry Sanders

Emmitt Smith

Marcus Allen

Walter Payton

Earl Cambell

Marshall Faulk

Curtis Martin

OK, I could only name 9 before I would take LT.

 

[Avery]

LT is not LT anymore.

Looks slow. No quickness.

He's had open space a couple times. In the past, gone for long gainer if not a TD.

He's just another RB now.

Anybody that doesn't see this is kidding themselves. Unless they never watched LT in his prime.

KY

I'm thinking people are forgetting just how good he use to be. That last drive the Chargers had (Vincent Jackson TD catch) was a prime example. LT got the ball on an off tackle run and in my head I thought "automatic TD" but he didnt turn the corner fast enough, he was slowed by the first arm tackle, and then ultimately tackled after about 4 yards. Definitely not how I remembered LT.

Never got the love for LT from a non fantasy perspective. I would take 10 backs over him without even thinking. He played in a horrendeous division his entire career, has absoulty zero defining moment, other then sitting on the sideline injured in the playoffs.Real quick, off the top of my head....

Jim Brown

OJ Simpson

Barry Sanders

Emmitt Smith

Marcus Allen

Walter Payton

Earl Cambell

Marshall Faulk

Curtis Martin

OK, I could only name 9 before I would take LT.

You just ranked him a career top 10 RB of all time and are admittedly not enamored with him and you don't get "the love for LT from a non fantasy perspective"?

 

[Sweetness_34]

He looks good to me....if only the blocking was a little better, that would help. But as an LT owner, I can start him with confidence going forward. His schedule eases up too now with the AFC West Patsies ....

At about 3.4 ypc so far today at about the half, I can't wait to see how excited you get if he actually starts to play well.

So 9 pts in an half is no good anymore? .... it is not like LT was drafted with a top 5 pick.

 

[Sweetness_34]

LT is not LT anymore.

Looks slow. No quickness.

He's had open space a couple times. In the past, gone for long gainer if not a TD.

He's just another RB now.

Anybody that doesn't see this is kidding themselves. Unless they never watched LT in his prime.

KY

I'm thinking people are forgetting just how good he use to be. That last drive the Chargers had (Vincent Jackson TD catch) was a prime example. LT got the ball on an off tackle run and in my head I thought "automatic TD" but he didnt turn the corner fast enough, he was slowed by the first arm tackle, and then ultimately tackled after about 4 yards. Definitely not how I remembered LT.

Never got the love for LT from a non fantasy perspective. I would take 10 backs over him without even thinking. He played in a horrendeous division his entire career, has absoulty zero defining moment, other then sitting on the sideline injured in the playoffs.Real quick, off the top of my head....

Jim Brown

OJ Simpson

Barry Sanders

Emmitt Smith

Marcus Allen

Walter Payton

Earl Cambell

Marshall Faulk

Curtis Martin

OK, I could only name 9 before I would take LT.

So breaking the all time TD record is not a defining moment anymore?

 

[Da Guru]

Put me in the camp who thinks he looks slow as well. He still has the great instincts, just can't get to where he wants to go.

Not the LT we are used to. The body is worn out from too many touches.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

LT is not LT anymore.

Looks slow. No quickness.

He's had open space a couple times. In the past, gone for long gainer if not a TD.

He's just another RB now.

Anybody that doesn't see this is kidding themselves. Unless they never watched LT in his prime.

KY

I'm thinking people are forgetting just how good he use to be. That last drive the Chargers had (Vincent Jackson TD catch) was a prime example. LT got the ball on an off tackle run and in my head I thought "automatic TD" but he didnt turn the corner fast enough, he was slowed by the first arm tackle, and then ultimately tackled after about 4 yards. Definitely not how I remembered LT.

Never got the love for LT from a non fantasy perspective. I would take 10 backs over him without even thinking. He played in a horrendeous division his entire career, has absoulty zero defining moment, other then sitting on the sideline injured in the playoffs.Real quick, off the top of my head....

Jim Brown

OJ Simpson

Barry Sanders

Emmitt Smith

Marcus Allen

Walter Payton

Earl Cambell

Marshall Faulk

Curtis Martin

OK, I could only name 9 before I would take LT.

Curtis Martin? get outta here

 

[Avery]

He looks good to me....if only the blocking was a little better, that would help. But as an LT owner, I can start him with confidence going forward. His schedule eases up too now with the AFC West Patsies ....

At about 3.4 ypc so far today at about the half, I can't wait to see how excited you get if he actually starts to play well.

So 9 pts in an half is no good anymore? .... it is not like LT was drafted with a top 5 pick.

It's just fine. A workman like performance.In what way does that show you that Tomlinson is still a great back?

 

[Dought Man]

He looks good to me....if only the blocking was a little better, that would help. But as an LT owner, I can start him with confidence going forward. His schedule eases up too now with the AFC West Patsies ....

At about 3.4 ypc so far today at about the half, I can't wait to see how excited you get if he actually starts to play well.

So 9 pts in an half is no good anymore? .... it is not like LT was drafted with a top 5 pick.

So, where do you rank LT going forward..right now, among all fantasy RB's? LT went in the top 7 in all 4 of my leagues. He went 6, 7, 6 & 7 overall. I imagine my 4 werent the only leagues where he went in the first half of round 1.

 

[Steady Mooobin]

LT is not LT anymore.

Looks slow. No quickness.

He's had open space a couple times. In the past, gone for long gainer if not a TD.

He's just another RB now.

Anybody that doesn't see this is kidding themselves. Unless they never watched LT in his prime.

KY

I'm thinking people are forgetting just how good he use to be. That last drive the Chargers had (Vincent Jackson TD catch) was a prime example. LT got the ball on an off tackle run and in my head I thought "automatic TD" but he didnt turn the corner fast enough, he was slowed by the first arm tackle, and then ultimately tackled after about 4 yards. Definitely not how I remembered LT.

Never got the love for LT from a non fantasy perspective. I would take 10 backs over him without even thinking. He played in a horrendeous division his entire career, has absoulty zero defining moment, other then sitting on the sideline injured in the playoffs.Real quick, off the top of my head....

Jim Brown

OJ Simpson

Barry Sanders

Emmitt Smith

Marcus Allen

Walter Payton

Earl Cambell

Marshall Faulk

Curtis Martin

OK, I could only name 9 before I would take LT.

So breaking the all time TD record is not a defining moment anymore?

Link? He has ZERO chance of breaking that record. He might catch Emmit, might.

 

[Steady Mooobin]

LT is not LT anymore.

Looks slow. No quickness.

He's had open space a couple times. In the past, gone for long gainer if not a TD.

He's just another RB now.

Anybody that doesn't see this is kidding themselves. Unless they never watched LT in his prime.

KY

I'm thinking people are forgetting just how good he use to be. That last drive the Chargers had (Vincent Jackson TD catch) was a prime example. LT got the ball on an off tackle run and in my head I thought "automatic TD" but he didnt turn the corner fast enough, he was slowed by the first arm tackle, and then ultimately tackled after about 4 yards. Definitely not how I remembered LT.

Never got the love for LT from a non fantasy perspective. I would take 10 backs over him without even thinking. He played in a horrendeous division his entire career, has absoulty zero defining moment, other then sitting on the sideline injured in the playoffs.Real quick, off the top of my head....

Jim Brown

OJ Simpson

Barry Sanders

Emmitt Smith

Marcus Allen

Walter Payton

Earl Cambell

Marshall Faulk

Curtis Martin

OK, I could only name 9 before I would take LT.

You just ranked him a career top 10 RB of all time and are admittedly not enamored with him and you don't get "the love for LT from a non fantasy perspective"?

Name his signature moment please. I'm not suggesting he's a bum, but as I said, he played in a awful division his entire career, and hasn't done jack in the playoffs.Many people talked him up like he was the best RB who ever played.

 

[Avery]

LT is not LT anymore.

Looks slow. No quickness.

He's had open space a couple times. In the past, gone for long gainer if not a TD.

He's just another RB now.

Anybody that doesn't see this is kidding themselves. Unless they never watched LT in his prime.

KY

I'm thinking people are forgetting just how good he use to be. That last drive the Chargers had (Vincent Jackson TD catch) was a prime example. LT got the ball on an off tackle run and in my head I thought "automatic TD" but he didnt turn the corner fast enough, he was slowed by the first arm tackle, and then ultimately tackled after about 4 yards. Definitely not how I remembered LT.

Never got the love for LT from a non fantasy perspective. I would take 10 backs over him without even thinking. He played in a horrendeous division his entire career, has absoulty zero defining moment, other then sitting on the sideline injured in the playoffs.Real quick, off the top of my head....

Jim Brown

OJ Simpson

Barry Sanders

Emmitt Smith

Marcus Allen

Walter Payton

Earl Cambell

Marshall Faulk

Curtis Martin

OK, I could only name 9 before I would take LT.

You just ranked him a career top 10 RB of all time and are admittedly not enamored with him and you don't get "the love for LT from a non fantasy perspective"?

Name his signature moment please. I'm not suggesting he's a bum, but as I said, he played in a awful division his entire career, and hasn't done jack in the playoffs.Many people talked him up like he was the best RB who ever played.

I haven't talked him up and never said his was the best RB who every played but to be a top 10 RB of all time, according to your list, is pretty damn good and deserves some love "signature moments" or not.

 

[Steady Mooobin]

I haven't talked him up and never said his was the best RB who every played but to be a top 10 RB of all time, according to your list, is pretty damn good and deserves some love "signature moments" or not.

Fair enough. I was never trying to imply he wasn't a very talented back. I may have exaggerated my position, but that was not my intention.

 

[Avery]

I haven't talked him up and never said his was the best RB who every played but to be a top 10 RB of all time, according to your list, is pretty damn good and deserves some love "signature moments" or not.

Fair enough. I was never trying to imply he wasn't a very talented back. I may have exaggerated my position, but that was not my intention.

Understood.

 

[culdeus]

He just looks for a spot to lay down on now. Fears contact.

It was a good run, and now it's over.

 

[Sweetness_34]

He looks good to me....if only the blocking was a little better, that would help. But as an LT owner, I can start him with confidence going forward. His schedule eases up too now with the AFC West Patsies ....

At about 3.4 ypc so far today at about the half, I can't wait to see how excited you get if he actually starts to play well.

So 9 pts in an half is no good anymore? .... it is not like LT was drafted with a top 5 pick.

So, where do you rank LT going forward..right now, among all fantasy RB's? LT went in the top 7 in all 4 of my leagues. He went 6, 7, 6 & 7 overall. I imagine my 4 werent the only leagues where he went in the first half of round 1.

I expect LT to get at least 12 points or so every week. I will take that since I have a very solid team around him....I hit on Benson late, so with Larry Fitz, Colston, LT, Moreno, Benson, Reggie Bush, I just need him to get 10+ pts. I have no problem with that as a LT owner, even if I got him in the 1st round at 1.09.

 

[Knobs]

He just looks for a spot to lay down on now. Fears contact. It was a good run, and now it's over.

What have you seen in this game that would make you think this???

 

[Sweetness_34]

LT is not LT anymore.

Looks slow. No quickness.

He's had open space a couple times. In the past, gone for long gainer if not a TD.

He's just another RB now.

Anybody that doesn't see this is kidding themselves. Unless they never watched LT in his prime.

KY

I'm thinking people are forgetting just how good he use to be. That last drive the Chargers had (Vincent Jackson TD catch) was a prime example. LT got the ball on an off tackle run and in my head I thought "automatic TD" but he didnt turn the corner fast enough, he was slowed by the first arm tackle, and then ultimately tackled after about 4 yards. Definitely not how I remembered LT.

Never got the love for LT from a non fantasy perspective. I would take 10 backs over him without even thinking. He played in a horrendeous division his entire career, has absoulty zero defining moment, other then sitting on the sideline injured in the playoffs.Real quick, off the top of my head....

Jim Brown

OJ Simpson

Barry Sanders

Emmitt Smith

Marcus Allen

Walter Payton

Earl Cambell

Marshall Faulk

Curtis Martin

OK, I could only name 9 before I would take LT.

So breaking the all time TD record is not a defining moment anymore?

Link? He has ZERO chance of breaking that record. He might catch Emmit, might.

I meant single season TD record....

 

[Sweetness_34]

He just looks for a spot to lay down on now. Fears contact. It was a good run, and now it's over.

Really? I did not see that. I can see that the run blocking sucks quite a bit and the Denver D is pretty good this year.

 

[Sweetness_34]

I just saw LT miss an easy TD because Rivers did not set his feet and underthrew the ball..... I guess LT is to be blamed for that one too.

 

[billyjohnson]

Assuming no injury...will only get more comfortable after a little game action. O-line health improves...and schedule softens up. LT is gonna be cash

 

[dansav]

Man LT is too emotional. ESPN is recapping the game right now and they took him out on a 3rd and goal play and you see him pouting and shaking his head on the sideline and threw his helmet to the ground.

Just seems he always pulls this stuff...

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Assuming no injury...will only get more comfortable after a little game action. O-line health improves...and schedule softens up. LT is gonna be cash

got news for ya, that Oline isnt getting any better

 

[Tigerbot Hesh]

I just saw LT miss an easy TD because Rivers did not set his feet and underthrew the ball..... I guess LT is to be blamed for that one too.

And the next play, LT gets overpowered on a pass block and Rivers gets whacked. I know they're not related, but still kinda funny.Has LT always been this iffy pass-blocking? I've seen him give up/get overpowered on at least 4 blocks this season.

 

[Dought Man]

Man, the LT backers are gonna go nuts the next time he...um...actually...maybe..scores a TD. He has been a total dissapointment for his owners this year.

 

[hostile]

Man LT is too emotional. ESPN is recapping the game right now and they took him out on a 3rd and goal play and you see him pouting and shaking his head on the sideline and threw his helmet to the ground.Just seems he always pulls this stuff...

LT did all the grunt work to get it down inside the 5, then Norv pulls him in favour of a 5'6" guy who weighs a buck sixty soaking wet, who then tried running inside and got stoned.I'd be mad too, as I think any competitor would be.

 

[rascal]

I got what I expected out of him against a tough D.

I'd be more pissed if I was a forte owner.

I'm a bit disappointed in the production from Moreno though.

 

[SSOG]

Man LT is too emotional. ESPN is recapping the game right now and they took him out on a 3rd and goal play and you see him pouting and shaking his head on the sideline and threw his helmet to the ground.Just seems he always pulls this stuff...

He should be pissed. They pulled him on 3rd and goal from the 1 for DARREN SPROLES. You're allowed to get pissed at your coach for being the biggest idiot in the league.

 

[FallenHero32]

Man, the LT backers are gonna go nuts the next time he...um...actually...maybe..scores a TD. He has been a total dissapointment for his owners this year.

Of course he has, doesn't make him a horrible RB though. He got hurt, nursed it to health, and the game he tries to comeback the Chargers go down quick and they can't use him. The Broncos tonight showed how horrible the SD O-line is, getting to Rivers far too easily. It makes a huge difference when an O-line is bad. LT can't run through holes that don't exist. Not saying he is still the prime LT of old, but he looked good and still has plenty of fire left in him.

 

[mystykoekaki]

LT has little to no fantasy value. Move along people, nothing to see here.

 

[Banger]

Man LT is too emotional. ESPN is recapping the game right now and they took him out on a 3rd and goal play and you see him pouting and shaking his head on the sideline and threw his helmet to the ground.Just seems he always pulls this stuff...

He should be pissed. They pulled him on 3rd and goal from the 1 for DARREN SPROLES. You're allowed to get pissed at your coach for being the biggest idiot in the league.

 

[tommyGunZ]

Man LT is too emotional. ESPN is recapping the game right now and they took him out on a 3rd and goal play and you see him pouting and shaking his head on the sideline and threw his helmet to the ground.Just seems he always pulls this stuff...

He should be pissed. They pulled him on 3rd and goal from the 1 for DARREN SPROLES. You're allowed to get pissed at your coach for being the biggest idiot in the league.

Yep. Perfect case of overthinking it by Norv. He knows Denver has San Diego's tendencies with Sproles, and that either play action or Sproles in the flat is most likely, so he tries to trick them by running Sproles between the tackes.HEY NORV - KEEP IT SIMPLE STUPID. Run LT between the tackles there and establish some dominance. #&amp&$#($&

 

[Frenchy Fuqua]

LT has little to no fantasy value. Move along people, nothing to see here.

100 yards total and 3 receptions against a very good D = no fantasy value?He's not the LT of a few years ago but in this offense he's going to be just fine. The TDs were the only thing lacking tonight and I suspect those will be the most consistent part of his game the rest of the season.

 

[ttea]

Yeah I thought he looked really good tonight, and he said before the game that he's 90%.

Norv on the other hand... horrible, how does he always find a job?

I was reading the game thread for the first half since I wasn't home, and everyone said he was slow. Caught the second half, and he DID NOT look slow.