Is Mark Sanchez a good NFL QB? If not will he ever be? (1 Viewer)

[footballfever]

The best he ever will be is a top 15 QB. He's not even a top 25 in my opinion. According to ESPN's QBR, he's the second worst in the league behind Tebow.

 

[Mentos]

He is crappy.

 

[EBF]

I thought he might actually improve with experience, but he doesn't seem much better at all. I regret ever sticking up for the guy.

 

[Reaper]

I thought he might actually improve with experience, but he doesn't seem much better at all. I regret ever sticking up for the guy.

I'm taking Names and from reading around I think it's safe to say the following FBG Jets fans are No Longer or have never been Sanchez fans:TLEFReaperChaseEBFRoversFeel free to add.Like I said at Draft Time - Sit at your spot and take whatever QB falls - I prefered Freeman but, I would have given the Sanchez pick a little more leeway if the Jets didn't trade up / pay up and go All-In on him.Rex was dying to have "His" Handpicked QB so bad - but, he's a defense Guy and i think he valued "moxy" over actual talent and experience.My wish is for the NY Jets to never again Draft a guy with maybe average arm, maybe average size who has little college experience and has barely seen snow, to play Northeast Football. Mark will get another shot and hopefully the Jets make the moves around him to help and I hope he blows some of us away but, I think we see the writing on the wall....

 

[Faust]

Cosell Talks: You’re Seeing the Real Mark Sanchez

by Greg Cosell

No one should be surprised by the relative poor play of Mark Sanchez, certainly not Rex Ryan and the Jets. Ryan knew what he was getting when he traded up to draft Sanchez in 2009. He was looking for a complementary quarterback that would fit his world view of championship NFL football: Run the ball with power and efficiency, and dominate with a turnover-based defense. The quarterback was a puzzle piece, a role player more than a foundation.

That’s what Ryan got with Sanchez: A limited passer with above average arm strength who was at his best in a timing-and-rhythm pass game in which the ball could come out quickly to the primary read. If the Jets could stay ahead of the down, and play in manageable down and distance situations, then Sanchez could function effectively.

In 2009, Sanchez’s rookie year, the Jets led the NFL in rushing attempts and yards. Defensively, they allowed both the fewest yards and the fewest points. This was football the way Ryan envisioned it.

The Jets, despite Sanchez’s low completion percentage and AFC-high 20 interceptions, made the playoffs. In fact, they won 2 postseason games. In those wins, Sanchez totaled less than 40 attempts. In a passing league, this clearly defied the accepted methodology.

The Jets ’09 run ended in the AFC Championship against Peyton Manning and the Colts, when Ryan’s defense could not hold up in the second half after leading 17-13 at halftime. Lost in Manning’s brilliant performance that day was the fact the Jets did not score in the final 2 quarters.

In 2010, the Jets’ team profile remained essentially the same. They were second in the NFL in both rushing attempts and yards. Defensively, they were not quite as strong statistically, but the basic template was still in place. Sanchez was slightly more efficient, and he limited his interceptions to 13. But he was still a component piece, nothing more. He won a few games in the fourth quarter, which elevated his public perception, but that did not alter Ryan’s fundamental philosophy nor meaningfully change Sanchez’s limitations as a passer.

The 2010 playoffs mirrored those of 2009. Sanchez threw for less than 200 yards against the Colts in the Wild Card game, as the Jets ran for 169 yards and held Manning to 54 offensive plays and 16 points. Then followed the big Divisional Playoff win against New England: 25 passes for Sanchez and less than 200 yards. A bad start in the AFC Championship doomed a Jets team not built to rally from a large deficit: after falling behind the Steelers 24-0 in the first half, New York could not come back.

What’s happened in 2011? The twin foundations of the team have not performed at the necessary levels: the Jets rank 22nd in rushing, averaging only 104 yards per game. The defensive deterioration has been just as striking: in points allowed, they also rank 22nd. These failings have placed the burden on Sanchez to suddenly be something he was not ever expected to be: a lead quarterback who is the focal point of the offense. Sanchez was not drafted to play that role, and he’s not capable of it.

So make no mistake, the Jets struggles are not merely surprisingly poor play. They stem from the very heart of the team and how it’s seen itself during the 3 years of the Ryan era. Nothing significant about Mark Sanchez has changed. It’s the rest of the team that has changed. That’s what has magnified their quarterback’s limitations.

Published: December 26, 2011

Filed Under: From the Desk of Greg Cosell, Greg Cosell, Inside the Game, New York Jets

 

[drummer]

Sanchez needs to come back to the West Coast. Matt Maiocco of CSN Bay Area put Alex Smith and Joe Montana in the same sentence for 4 comeback road wins. Smith hasn't even won a playoff game. Sanchez has won both 4 comeback road games as well playoff games.

Sanchez would be happy here with the Bay Area hack media. He would be perfect in Silver and Black. All he has to worry about is Tim Kawakami. That ain't hard.

 

[Big_Russel]

Yes. Yes.He is a fine quarterback who can help a team win a ton of games. He strongest assets are that he has a really good pocket awareness and pocket maneuverability. His problem, is that he is not a gunslinger (he doesnt have that mentality and doesn't try to force it) and the team will struggle at times when its all on him.

This team missed the playoffs two straight years prior to his arrival and found themselves in the AFC championship after his subsequent arrival. He can help his team win plenty.

You do realize that they backed into the play-offs both times...right?? Sanchez is atrocious.

How did they "back in to the playoffs" last year at 11-5 having better a record than 2 DIV winners?

CHICAGO — The screams of joy came from the losing locker room, where emotions shifted sharply like momentum at Soldier Field, where smiles replaced frowns, where the defeated players dumped an ice bucket on their head coach in celebration. The Jets lost to Chicago, 38-34, on Sunday. They lost the A.F.C. East to New England. Yet mere minutes after the Jets sat slumped at their lockers, Washington toppled Jacksonville, delivering the Jets (10-5) a wild-card berth despite their fifth defeat. “I don’t know how to explain it,” offensive tackle D’Brickashaw Ferguson said. “It was like we lost, but we still won.” Indeed. As Coach Rex Ryan plowed through his postgame news conference, running back LaDainian Tomlinson, quarterback Mark Sanchez and several Jets assistants gathered around a small television in cramped quarters near the locker room. The Redskins escaped with a field goal in overtime, and Tomlinson bounded into the locker room. He shouted, “We’re in. We’re in,” as if, tight end Dustin Keller would say later, “it was his birthday and he just got a big gift.”

They didnt control their own play-off destiny either of the last two seasons.

 

[Witz]

Yes. Yes.He is a fine quarterback who can help a team win a ton of games. He strongest assets are that he has a really good pocket awareness and pocket maneuverability. His problem, is that he is not a gunslinger (he doesnt have that mentality and doesn't try to force it) and the team will struggle at times when its all on him.

This team missed the playoffs two straight years prior to his arrival and found themselves in the AFC championship after his subsequent arrival. He can help his team win plenty.

You do realize that they backed into the play-offs both times...right?? Sanchez is atrocious.

How did they "back in to the playoffs" last year at 11-5 having better a record than 2 DIV winners?

CHICAGO — The screams of joy came from the losing locker room, where emotions shifted sharply like momentum at Soldier Field, where smiles replaced frowns, where the defeated players dumped an ice bucket on their head coach in celebration. The Jets lost to Chicago, 38-34, on Sunday. They lost the A.F.C. East to New England. Yet mere minutes after the Jets sat slumped at their lockers, Washington toppled Jacksonville, delivering the Jets (10-5) a wild-card berth despite their fifth defeat. “I don’t know how to explain it,” offensive tackle D’Brickashaw Ferguson said. “It was like we lost, but we still won.” Indeed. As Coach Rex Ryan plowed through his postgame news conference, running back LaDainian Tomlinson, quarterback Mark Sanchez and several Jets assistants gathered around a small television in cramped quarters near the locker room. The Redskins escaped with a field goal in overtime, and Tomlinson bounded into the locker room. He shouted, “We’re in. We’re in,” as if, tight end Dustin Keller would say later, “it was his birthday and he just got a big gift.”

They didnt control their own play-off destiny either of the last two seasons.

Nothing bugs me more than when folks talk about teams backing into the playoffs (regardless of the team in question). There is no such thing as backing into the playoffs. You do realize that there is an entire season of football right? Your record and standings at the end of the season are all that matter - for every team that won, there is a team that lost - if the Jets 'backed into' the playoffs as you said - it was only because they won more games and/or held more tiebreakers than other teams they got in over.

 

[Reaper]

Nothing bugs me more than when folks talk about teams backing into the playoffs (regardless of the team in question). There is no such thing as backing into the playoffs. You do realize that there is an entire season of football right? Your record and standings at the end of the season are all that matter - for every team that won, there is a team that lost - if the Jets 'backed into' the playoffs as you said - it was only because they won more games and/or held more tiebreakers than other teams they got in over.

But, then again, I'd rather be the team that 'Backed In" than the team that didn't get in... With all that has to go down this weekend and as negative as I've been all season on the Jets, I'll gladly take a few haters hanging on the "Jets Backed in"...And for all that has to happen this weekend, at 9-7 I'd certainly say the Jets are hoping to BACK IN.Also Backing in doesn't bother me when your team beats San Diego, Indy, New England, and Cincy all on the road!!!!! Ask a SD or Cincy fan if they take that.Think about that for a sec... for a SD or Cincy fan or most fans - Going TO INDY and NE and winning playoff games!

 

[SWC]

he reminds me a lot of a guy i saw play in high school he was good sometimes but a lot of the time he would just not do much and then his team would have to win for him and he got all the girls and stuff but in the end was only so so as a qb and i think he works at an ice company now so big whoop

 

[AmosMoses]

Yes. Yes.He is a fine quarterback who can help a team win a ton of games. He strongest assets are that he has a really good pocket awareness and pocket maneuverability. His problem, is that he is not a gunslinger (he doesnt have that mentality and doesn't try to force it) and the team will struggle at times when its all on him.

This team missed the playoffs two straight years prior to his arrival and found themselves in the AFC championship after his subsequent arrival. He can help his team win plenty.

You do realize that they backed into the play-offs both times...right?? Sanchez is atrocious.

How did they "back in to the playoffs" last year at 11-5 having better a record than 2 DIV winners?

CHICAGO — The screams of joy came from the losing locker room, where emotions shifted sharply like momentum at Soldier Field, where smiles replaced frowns, where the defeated players dumped an ice bucket on their head coach in celebration. The Jets lost to Chicago, 38-34, on Sunday. They lost the A.F.C. East to New England. Yet mere minutes after the Jets sat slumped at their lockers, Washington toppled Jacksonville, delivering the Jets (10-5) a wild-card berth despite their fifth defeat. “I don’t know how to explain it,” offensive tackle D’Brickashaw Ferguson said. “It was like we lost, but we still won.” Indeed. As Coach Rex Ryan plowed through his postgame news conference, running back LaDainian Tomlinson, quarterback Mark Sanchez and several Jets assistants gathered around a small television in cramped quarters near the locker room. The Redskins escaped with a field goal in overtime, and Tomlinson bounded into the locker room. He shouted, “We’re in. We’re in,” as if, tight end Dustin Keller would say later, “it was his birthday and he just got a big gift.”

They didnt control their own play-off destiny either of the last two seasons.

Nothing bugs me more than when folks talk about teams backing into the playoffs (regardless of the team in question). There is no such thing as backing into the playoffs. You do realize that there is an entire season of football right? Your record and standings at the end of the season are all that matter - for every team that won, there is a team that lost - if the Jets 'backed into' the playoffs as you said - it was only because they won more games and/or held more tiebreakers than other teams they got in over.

You start controlling your playoff destiny in week 1. People that talk about backing into the playoffs are noobs.

 

[Tackling Dummies]

by definition:

Synonyms: able, accomplished, adept, adroit, capable, clever, dexterous, efficient, expert, first-rate, proficient, proper, qualified, reliable, satisfactory, serviceable, skillful, suitable, suited, talented, thorough, trustworthy, useful

Serviceable is probably the closest comp.

No and no.

 

[Big_Russel]

Yes. Yes.He is a fine quarterback who can help a team win a ton of games. He strongest assets are that he has a really good pocket awareness and pocket maneuverability. His problem, is that he is not a gunslinger (he doesnt have that mentality and doesn't try to force it) and the team will struggle at times when its all on him.

This team missed the playoffs two straight years prior to his arrival and found themselves in the AFC championship after his subsequent arrival. He can help his team win plenty.

You do realize that they backed into the play-offs both times...right?? Sanchez is atrocious.

How did they "back in to the playoffs" last year at 11-5 having better a record than 2 DIV winners?

CHICAGO — The screams of joy came from the losing locker room, where emotions shifted sharply like momentum at Soldier Field, where smiles replaced frowns, where the defeated players dumped an ice bucket on their head coach in celebration. The Jets lost to Chicago, 38-34, on Sunday. They lost the A.F.C. East to New England. Yet mere minutes after the Jets sat slumped at their lockers, Washington toppled Jacksonville, delivering the Jets (10-5) a wild-card berth despite their fifth defeat. “I don’t know how to explain it,” offensive tackle D’Brickashaw Ferguson said. “It was like we lost, but we still won.” Indeed. As Coach Rex Ryan plowed through his postgame news conference, running back LaDainian Tomlinson, quarterback Mark Sanchez and several Jets assistants gathered around a small television in cramped quarters near the locker room. The Redskins escaped with a field goal in overtime, and Tomlinson bounded into the locker room. He shouted, “We’re in. We’re in,” as if, tight end Dustin Keller would say later, “it was his birthday and he just got a big gift.”

They didnt control their own play-off destiny either of the last two seasons.

Nothing bugs me more than when folks talk about teams backing into the playoffs (regardless of the team in question). There is no such thing as backing into the playoffs. You do realize that there is an entire season of football right? Your record and standings at the end of the season are all that matter - for every team that won, there is a team that lost - if the Jets 'backed into' the playoffs as you said - it was only because they won more games and/or held more tiebreakers than other teams they got in over.

You start controlling your playoff destiny in week 1. People that talk about backing into the playoffs are noobs.

And at some point in the season, most teams STOP controlling their play-off destiny and miss the play-offs. One or two of those teams have to rely on another team/teams losing in order to slip in the back door. That's fact not opinion. Does it mean they didnt deserve to be there? Of coarse not... they made it to the AFCCG both times. What is does mean is that when people talk about Sanchez (and or Ryan) leading them into the play-offs the last two years, it's nonsense. Another team let them in via losing when they needed to win.

 

[AmosMoses]

Yes. Yes.He is a fine quarterback who can help a team win a ton of games. He strongest assets are that he has a really good pocket awareness and pocket maneuverability. His problem, is that he is not a gunslinger (he doesnt have that mentality and doesn't try to force it) and the team will struggle at times when its all on him.

This team missed the playoffs two straight years prior to his arrival and found themselves in the AFC championship after his subsequent arrival. He can help his team win plenty.

You do realize that they backed into the play-offs both times...right?? Sanchez is atrocious.

How did they "back in to the playoffs" last year at 11-5 having better a record than 2 DIV winners?

CHICAGO — The screams of joy came from the losing locker room, where emotions shifted sharply like momentum at Soldier Field, where smiles replaced frowns, where the defeated players dumped an ice bucket on their head coach in celebration. The Jets lost to Chicago, 38-34, on Sunday. They lost the A.F.C. East to New England. Yet mere minutes after the Jets sat slumped at their lockers, Washington toppled Jacksonville, delivering the Jets (10-5) a wild-card berth despite their fifth defeat. “I don’t know how to explain it,” offensive tackle D’Brickashaw Ferguson said. “It was like we lost, but we still won.” Indeed. As Coach Rex Ryan plowed through his postgame news conference, running back LaDainian Tomlinson, quarterback Mark Sanchez and several Jets assistants gathered around a small television in cramped quarters near the locker room. The Redskins escaped with a field goal in overtime, and Tomlinson bounded into the locker room. He shouted, “We’re in. We’re in,” as if, tight end Dustin Keller would say later, “it was his birthday and he just got a big gift.”

They didnt control their own play-off destiny either of the last two seasons.

Nothing bugs me more than when folks talk about teams backing into the playoffs (regardless of the team in question). There is no such thing as backing into the playoffs. You do realize that there is an entire season of football right? Your record and standings at the end of the season are all that matter - for every team that won, there is a team that lost - if the Jets 'backed into' the playoffs as you said - it was only because they won more games and/or held more tiebreakers than other teams they got in over.

You start controlling your playoff destiny in week 1. People that talk about backing into the playoffs are noobs.

And at some point in the season, most teams STOP controlling their play-off destiny and miss the play-offs. One or two of those teams have to rely on another team/teams losing in order to slip in the back door. That's fact not opinion. Does it mean they didnt deserve to be there? Of coarse not... they made it to the AFCCG both times. What is does mean is that when people talk about Sanchez (and or Ryan) leading them into the play-offs the last two years, it's nonsense. Another team let them in via losing when they needed to win.

No.

 

[Witz]

Yes. Yes.

He is a fine quarterback who can help a team win a ton of games. He strongest assets are that he has a really good pocket awareness and pocket maneuverability.

His problem, is that he is not a gunslinger (he doesnt have that mentality and doesn't try to force it) and the team will struggle at times when its all on him.

This team missed the playoffs two straight years prior to his arrival and found themselves in the AFC championship after his subsequent arrival. He can help his team win plenty.

You do realize that they backed into the play-offs both times...right?? Sanchez is atrocious.

How did they "back in to the playoffs" last year at 11-5 having better a record than 2 DIV winners?

CHICAGO — The screams of joy came from the losing locker room, where emotions shifted sharply like momentum at Soldier Field, where smiles replaced frowns, where the defeated players dumped an ice bucket on their head coach in celebration.

The Jets lost to Chicago, 38-34, on Sunday. They lost the A.F.C. East to New England. Yet mere minutes after the Jets sat slumped at their lockers, Washington toppled Jacksonville, delivering the Jets (10-5) a wild-card berth despite their fifth defeat.

“I don’t know how to explain it,” offensive tackle D’Brickashaw Ferguson said. “It was like we lost, but we still won.”

Indeed. As Coach Rex Ryan plowed through his postgame news conference, running back LaDainian Tomlinson, quarterback Mark Sanchez and several Jets assistants gathered around a small television in cramped quarters near the locker room. The Redskins escaped with a field goal in overtime, and Tomlinson bounded into the locker room. He shouted, “We’re in. We’re in,” as if, tight end Dustin Keller would say later, “it was his birthday and he just got a big gift.”

They didnt control their own play-off destiny either of the last two seasons.

Nothing bugs me more than when folks talk about teams backing into the playoffs (regardless of the team in question). There is no such thing as backing into the playoffs. You do realize that there is an entire season of football right? Your record and standings at the end of the season are all that matter - for every team that won, there is a team that lost - if the Jets 'backed into' the playoffs as you said - it was only because they won more games and/or held more tiebreakers than other teams they got in over.

You start controlling your playoff destiny in week 1. People that talk about backing into the playoffs are noobs.

And at some point in the season, most teams STOP controlling their play-off destiny and miss the play-offs. One or two of those teams have to rely on another team/teams losing in order to slip in the back door. That's fact not opinion. Does it mean they didnt deserve to be there? Of coarse not... they made it to the AFCCG both times. What is does mean is that when people talk about Sanchez (and or Ryan) leading them into the play-offs the last two years, it's nonsense. Another team let them in via losing when they needed to win.

Sorry but you are mistaken. Would you say that a team who won their division backed into the playoffs? You wouldn't but it's exactly the same thing. A team that won their division made it into the playoffs because other teams within their division lost more than the team that won it (or they lost it due to a tiebreaker).

Explain to me how it is different. In both scenarios a team with the better record/tiebreaker advanced while the team with the lesser record/tie breaker didn't. Whether this happened in week 14 or week 17 doesn't really matter (as an entire season of football needs to be played).