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Is Now the Time to Sell Calvin Johnson? (1 Viewer)
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lod01
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lod01
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karmarooster
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I traded Calvin in a dynasty league last season for D.Murray, A.Jeffery, and Blackmon (before his suspension obviously). Was a home run for about two weeks when Blackmon was going off and Jeffery putting up 200 yard games. Without Blackmon, the deal isn't a good but still worth it (now, if I can just sell high on Murray...).
It may have been slightly early to sell on Calvin last year, but in another sense, his value is probably never going to be higher than it was last year going forward. If he puts together another 1500+ yard season (currently on pace for 1,100), his value won't go through the rough again because people are convinced he's getting old.
It may have been slightly early to sell on Calvin last year, but in another sense, his value is probably never going to be higher than it was last year going forward. If he puts together another 1500+ yard season (currently on pace for 1,100), his value won't go through the rough again because people are convinced he's getting old.
Here is what I just pulled off, I am curious to see if you think I gave up too much. 10 team ppr. Start 1 qb, 2rb, 2 wr, 1 flex, 1te. I am currently sitting at 4 - 1 with highest amount of points, he is 2 - 3 and sinking.
I received Calvin, Chris Ivory, J. Hill, and Dalton for Russel Wilson, Lamar and Moreno, and Corderelle.
On the surface I am leery about this, but really all I am giving up is depth for a chance at total domination.
Here is my roster now:
QB: Rivers/Romo/Dalton
RB: Gio/Vereen/Ryan Matthews/Ingram/Hill
WR: Julio/Dez/Megatron/VJAX
TE: Olsen
Our league lets you keep one player per year that you drafted the previous year at that draft slot, so I gave up two pretty goo keepers with Wilson at the 9th round and perhaps Patterson at a 5th rounder. Miller and Moreno are potentially good keepers too since I got them at a low pick. But I am pretty sure I will just keep Rivers next year for like a 14th rounder. I think this is a pretty fair deal for both sides, I get a potential star to add to my arsenal, he gets much needed depth, as he was rolling out Dalton and Keapernick at qb; and Doug Martin and Ivory as starting rbs. How did I fare?
I received Calvin, Chris Ivory, J. Hill, and Dalton for Russel Wilson, Lamar and Moreno, and Corderelle.
On the surface I am leery about this, but really all I am giving up is depth for a chance at total domination.
Here is my roster now:
QB: Rivers/Romo/Dalton
RB: Gio/Vereen/Ryan Matthews/Ingram/Hill
WR: Julio/Dez/Megatron/VJAX
TE: Olsen
Our league lets you keep one player per year that you drafted the previous year at that draft slot, so I gave up two pretty goo keepers with Wilson at the 9th round and perhaps Patterson at a 5th rounder. Miller and Moreno are potentially good keepers too since I got them at a low pick. But I am pretty sure I will just keep Rivers next year for like a 14th rounder. I think this is a pretty fair deal for both sides, I get a potential star to add to my arsenal, he gets much needed depth, as he was rolling out Dalton and Keapernick at qb; and Doug Martin and Ivory as starting rbs. How did I fare?
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lod01
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Please let this happen so Johnson can sign with a good team for next year. I could see New Orleans in his future to pair with Jimmy Graham. Colston is finished. He's a smart dude. He has made his $ so next up is winning. Andre Johnson wishes he would have been cut so as to move on.
That looks great to me.
But why all the QBs? I think Wilson has the highest weekly floor of the listed QB's but Rivers/Romo is a fine combination to have and once Calvin gets healthy you may be in a position to flex Dez, which is ridiculous
Shutout
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Think I will ride it out and hope for a "Josh Gordon" impact at the end of the year to get me over the top. No complaints for anyone selling for reasonable value but I think I keep him just because he is one of a small handful of guys that can single handedly cash in your league title for you.
I had all of those qbs because I waited until the 9th round to pick one, then I went Romo/Wilson to hedge. I then picked Rivers because he was still sitting there in the 14th round. I always intended to trade one of them and qbs are hard to trade in general in a 10 teamer, but I thought this week would be a good week to unload Wilson since he looked amazing. Hopefully it doesn't come back to bite me.
SproutDaddy
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Ouch! Talk about jumping the gun big-time.
SproutDaddy
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Some horrible analysis. Calvin and DT are basically even on the year with Calvin injured the past two weeks and DT with a bye. Ingram has been terrific. The hand thing is unfortunate. There seems to be nothing to hold him back once he returns. Depending on how long Calvin is out this seems like a raping.
John 14:6
Jesus is Lord!
From my Yahoo league:
Wed, Oct 8
Calvin Johnson said he's dealing with a high-ankle sprain and won't practice Wednesday, but hopes to play Week 6 against the Vikings.
Advice: Megatron did hint that he could take the week off, saying there are "some injuries that require rest" and that he'll need "a lot of treatment" this week in order to play Sunday. He also insisted he's had no problems playing a decoy role the past two weeks. Johnson won't practice much, if at all, this week. We'll either be looking at another game-time decision or a flat-out "will not play."
More: Dave Birkett on Twitter
(Rotoworld.com)
Wed, Oct 8
Calvin Johnson said he's dealing with a high-ankle sprain and won't practice Wednesday, but hopes to play Week 6 against the Vikings.
Advice: Megatron did hint that he could take the week off, saying there are "some injuries that require rest" and that he'll need "a lot of treatment" this week in order to play Sunday. He also insisted he's had no problems playing a decoy role the past two weeks. Johnson won't practice much, if at all, this week. We'll either be looking at another game-time decision or a flat-out "will not play."
More: Dave Birkett on Twitter
(Rotoworld.com)
except thomas is healthy and calvin has a high ankle sprain. optimistically, calvin will be back to full strength in 2 weeks. he also has a bye. thats 3 more weeks of thomas. for dynasty, thomas is 3 years younger.
ingram had 14 touches in both games. hes still in a 3headed backfield. he still isnt a primary pass catcher. and i highly doubt he continues to punch in a td a game.
3nOut
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I can only keep one per position and I also have Julio.
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PatsWillWin
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Milkman
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Calvin is WR21 right now in my league. Detroit is talking about playing him this week with his high ankle sprain. If they don't shut him down for 2-3 weeks and let it properly heal he's going to be crap all year. So you will be looking at a WR2 that is 30 years old that has gotten banged up for several years now. I don't think people will be lining up to give away two 1st round picks and prospects for that. I'm actually glad I haven't been able to trade for him. My thought was they would shut him down for 2-3 weeks and then he would come back and beast but he ain't beasting #### on one wheel.
SproutDaddy
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I know this is going to come across the wrong way seeing it's the internet and all, but what medical expertise exactly do you have to back this up? Or maybe you have some inside contact with the Lions to know the extent of the injury? Fact is you can only speculate like the rest of us. If Calvin plays I'm sure it's because he feels that he can and help his team to the best of his ability. It sucks when a player in this situation doesn't produce, but that's how the game goes. Sit him if you want, but I always play my studs. I has cost me wins, but I have won more than I've lost in those situations. It just like last week when certain folks were saying the same thing about Arian Foster in his thread. I said the same thing in there. Teams and players put themselves in the best situation to win. Foster played last week and tore it up. This hammy thing was a problem last year, and he produced on a weekly basis until his season ended early. Some of you need to quit playing doctor.
its common sense that his ankle is holding him back. he admitted as much after the initial game where he was a decoy. and now he has admitted to having a high ankle sprain. you dont need to be a doctor to realize it is a terrible situation where he wont produce. i really really wish you were in my league that i have calvin. then i would actually be able to ship him for a good player that will produce. ive made similar offers as the ones posted in this thread to everyone in my league and they have laughed at them.
ghostguy123
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You are a total ZERO to think a 30 year old Calvin wouldnt have people lining up in hoards to deal ONE 1st for him, and probably two. If some high ankle sprain kills his season like Roddy Whites last year, so what?? That has zero relevance for 2015 and beyond.
ghostguy123
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This should be everyone's sig on this website, cause this is the single worst and most misinformed post I have seen on here in the short few years I have paid any attention to this site.
SproutDaddy
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SproutDaddy
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See, here's where a great deal of you guys on this board confuse logic for love of a player. I'm definitely a huge Calvin fan. I own him in both dynasty leagues I'm in. I'm in one redraft that is a $$$ league. I have no desire to acquire Calvin as I'm rolling Dez, Julio, and Maclin out every week with Hopkins and Cooks on my bench. My depth at RB is lacking as I have nothing after Bell, but someone dropped F. Jax and I scooped him up. The only players I'm attempting to buy low on are McCoy and Graham. Neither owner of those players are budging at this point.
No matter how much I like a player, sometimes it doesn't make sense to acquire them for your team. Quit trying to see something that isn't there. If I were in another dynasty, YES, I'd be scooping him up from a scared owner for the right price. If it only cost me a young WR and a 1st......HELL YES! Sign me up!
Milkman
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That's a perfectly acceptable offer and one I made early in this thread. The issue is most Calvin owners see that offer and they are like "OMG are you kidding? Calvin is worth triple that!" Which he's not.
SproutDaddy
Footballguy
Probably not, but it kind of depends. Right now I'd give two 1st rounders and someone from this past rookie class not named Watkins.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Depends which WR you offered. You cant just say "a young WR", there are lots of those out there, some I personally like a lot, some I think are worthless.
demaryius>calvin in dynasty. dont see how that can be disputed.
what about redraft, what is the worst wr you would accept for calvin? obv, it would depend on your record. a 5-0 team will require more than a 1-4 team. my team is 3-2, and before week 5, i offered him for demaryius, for aj green, for kelvin+ivory. now his value has plummeted. his dynasty value is obv gonna be far less dependent on current record. at this point, in standard scoring, i would be happy to get maclin, jeffery, cobb, sanders for him. given opponents record, you may even be able to get him to include a rb3 along with one of those guys.
ok, im off to send more offers.
what about redraft, what is the worst wr you would accept for calvin? obv, it would depend on your record. a 5-0 team will require more than a 1-4 team. my team is 3-2, and before week 5, i offered him for demaryius, for aj green, for kelvin+ivory. now his value has plummeted. his dynasty value is obv gonna be far less dependent on current record. at this point, in standard scoring, i would be happy to get maclin, jeffery, cobb, sanders for him. given opponents record, you may even be able to get him to include a rb3 along with one of those guys.
ok, im off to send more offers.
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SproutDaddy
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It can be disputed because it's an opinion. Plenty of data to validate that.
That is a good question. I'm 2-3 (9th/12, despite being #4 in points, so frustrating) with Calvin so I'd be a good candidate to sell for immediate production, you'd think. For a straight up WR trade I'd probably want somebody that I would never get which is why I'm not looking for offers nor am I expecting to get any that I like. Low WR1. Maybe an E Sanders, if not higher.
Even with Calvin gimpy I'm hurting more at RB than WR though so I may not fit the typical mold (I drafted strong at WR, also have Nelson, Wallace, and Terrance Williams)
I just really hope that they finally pull their heads out of their asses and rest him until he is good to go. But...being Detroit...they will probably #### it up
SproutDaddy
Footballguy
Let's see, you said DT has been clearly better than Calvin. That's false. You also said Ingram was useless this year. False again. Where am I inaccurate exactly?
demaryius is at 367 and 3 in 4 games. calvin is at 348 and 2 in 5 games. ya, id say clearly better. and one of them doesnt have a high ankle sprain.
the ingram position is harder for his owners to believe but i guarantee you wont be able to get a top 20 rb straight up in a trade for him. hes still in a 3headed backfield and still doesnt catch passes and is very questionable to be back in week 7. ingram certainly has his true believers, but no one else wants anything to do with him got obv reasons.
the ingram position is harder for his owners to believe but i guarantee you wont be able to get a top 20 rb straight up in a trade for him. hes still in a 3headed backfield and still doesnt catch passes and is very questionable to be back in week 7. ingram certainly has his true believers, but no one else wants anything to do with him got obv reasons.
CalBear
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D.Thomas is just 2 years younger than Calvin, and has a lot more downside risk with Denver's passing offense ready to drive off a cliff once a 38-year-old Peyton and his fused spine finally hang them up. Calvin Johnson has produced with Dan Orlovsky, Jon Kitna, Shaun Hill, and Drew Stanton. In the two years before Manning showed up, Thomas didn't do anything. Would he still be a stud with Brock Osweiler at QB? Maybe, maybe not.
SproutDaddy
Footballguy
You're definition of "clearly better" is head scratching. Less than 7 points separates them. It's only week 5, so in my opinion you're "clearly" jumping the gun here.
Ingram was "clearly" the lead back in that offense the first 2 weeks. He also had 4 catches on 5 targets. His targets went up from 1 to 4 in week 2. That could have been a trend for all we know. Whether you're a believer or not, that's some bad analysis as well. I have no idea when he will be back. He will be in my lineup when he is.
Ingram was "clearly" the lead back in that offense the first 2 weeks. He also had 4 catches on 5 targets. His targets went up from 1 to 4 in week 2. That could have been a trend for all we know. Whether you're a believer or not, that's some bad analysis as well. I have no idea when he will be back. He will be in my lineup when he is.
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ghostguy123
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SproutDaddy
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Yes. I brought that up many posts ago. Before that week, Calvin had outscored DT by more than 30 points. Then the injury. Then the MONSTER week by DT. I don't see any reason for saying Thomas has clearly been better due to an injury, but that's just me. Thomas has had 2 crappy weeks a la Calvin.
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