Is Now the Time to Sell Calvin Johnson? (1 Viewer)

[cstu]

It can be disputed because it's an opinion. Plenty of data to validate that.

yet there have been no compelling arguments. plenty of snark tho. we were possibly approaching some analysis after you called my mine horrible but you followed it up with weak an inaccurate arguments about ingram and demaryius.

D.Thomas is just 2 years younger than Calvin, and has a lot more downside risk with Denver's passing offense ready to drive off a cliff once a 38-year-old Peyton and his fused spine finally hang them up. Calvin Johnson has produced with Dan Orlovsky, Jon Kitna, Shaun Hill, and Drew Stanton. In the two years before Manning showed up, Thomas didn't do anything. Would he still be a stud with Brock Osweiler at QB? Maybe, maybe not.

DT was the #5 WR in 2011 from weeks 13-16 after returning from his Achilles injury.

With Tim Tebow at QB.

Tim.

Tebow.

 

[cvnpoka]

You're definition of "clearly better" is head scratching. Less than 7 points separates them. It's only week 5, so in my opinion you're "clearly" jumping the gun here.

You do know Denver had a bye in week 4, right?

Yes. I brought that up many posts ago. Before that week, Calvin had outscored DT by more than 30 points. Then the injury. Then the MONSTER week by DT. I don't see any reason for saying Thomas has clearly been better due to an injury, but that's just me. Thomas has had 2 crappy weeks a la Calvin.

uhh, dude, the injury is the only reason this thread exists. the injury is why dthomas is a far better option this year.

and to the other guy, calvin is actually 3 years older, or 2.722 to be exact if my math is correct.

 

[ghostguy123]

You're definition of "clearly better" is head scratching. Less than 7 points separates them. It's only week 5, so in my opinion you're "clearly" jumping the gun here.

You do know Denver had a bye in week 4, right?

Yes. I brought that up many posts ago. Before that week, Calvin had outscored DT by more than 30 points. Then the injury. Then the MONSTER week by DT. I don't see any reason for saying Thomas has clearly been better due to an injury, but that's just me. Thomas has had 2 crappy weeks a la Calvin.

uhh, dude, the injury is the only reason this thread exists. the injury is why dthomas is a far better option this year.

and to the other guy, calvin is actually 3 years older, or 2.722 to be exact if my math is correct.

Actually I think he is only like 2 years and 3 months older...................

But right, Calvins injury is the only reason we are talking about Calvin right now. Thomas has been CLEARLY better to this point, and is a better option going forward unless he has an injury of his own.

 

[cvnpoka]

You're definition of "clearly better" is head scratching. Less than 7 points separates them. It's only week 5, so in my opinion you're "clearly" jumping the gun here.

You do know Denver had a bye in week 4, right?

Yes. I brought that up many posts ago. Before that week, Calvin had outscored DT by more than 30 points. Then the injury. Then the MONSTER week by DT. I don't see any reason for saying Thomas has clearly been better due to an injury, but that's just me. Thomas has had 2 crappy weeks a la Calvin.

uhh, dude, the injury is the only reason this thread exists. the injury is why dthomas is a far better option this year.

and to the other guy, calvin is actually 3 years older, or 2.722 to be exact if my math is correct.

Actually I think he is only like 2 years and 3 months older...................

But right, Calvins injury is the only reason we are talking about Calvin right now. Thomas has been CLEARLY better to this point, and is a better option going forward unless he has an injury of his own.

unless profootballreference is wrong, you are wrong

Born: December 25, 1987 in Montrose, GA (Age 26.288)

Born: September 29, 1985 in Tyrone, GA (Age 29.010)

 

[SproutDaddy]

uhh, dude, the injury is the only reason this thread exists. the injury is why dthomas is a far better option this year.

Uhh, dude, YOu and ghost need to go back and read the first post of the thread. You guys are wrong......again. We'll see if Thomas is a better option. Calvin was CLEARLY the more dominant WR the first 3 weeks. The injury happened two weeks ago. This thread was started in July. I won't be offering Calvin to the 0-5 team in my dynasty for his Thomas anytime soon. I'll take my chances on Calvin. We aren't even halfway through the season yet.

 

[ghostguy123]

unless profootballreference is wrong, you are wrong

Born: December 25, 1987 in Montrose, GA (Age 26.288)

Born: September 29, 1985 in Tyrone, GA (Age 29.010)

If D-Thomas was born on Christmas (which is less than 3 months away) how can he only be 26.288 years of age?

Those dates show Calvin was born 2 years and just about 3 months sooner.

 

[ghostguy123]

uhh, dude, the injury is the only reason this thread exists. the injury is why dthomas is a far better option this year.

Uhh, dude, YOu and ghost need to go back and read the first post of the thread. You guys are wrong......again. We'll see if Thomas is a better option. Calvin was CLEARLY the more dominant WR the first 3 weeks. The injury happened two weeks ago. This thread was started in July. I won't be offering Calvin to the 0-5 team in my dynasty for his Thomas anytime soon. I'll take my chances on Calvin. We aren't even halfway through the season yet.

Ugh, dude.............through the first 5 weeks of the season D-Thomas is CLEARLY scoring a good margin more PER GAME PLAYED than Calvin.

 

[ghostguy123]

And why would an 0-5 team trade away Demaryius Thomas for Calvin????? Seems like a surefire way to not make the playoffs.

 

[SproutDaddy]

uhh, dude, the injury is the only reason this thread exists. the injury is why dthomas is a far better option this year.

Uhh, dude, YOu and ghost need to go back and read the first post of the thread. You guys are wrong......again. We'll see if Thomas is a better option. Calvin was CLEARLY the more dominant WR the first 3 weeks. The injury happened two weeks ago. This thread was started in July. I won't be offering Calvin to the 0-5 team in my dynasty for his Thomas anytime soon. I'll take my chances on Calvin. We aren't even halfway through the season yet.

Ugh, dude.............through the first 5 weeks of the season D-Thomas is CLEARLY scoring a good margin more PER GAME PLAYED than Calvin

Less than 5 points is what it is. But there's quite an outlier there. Still, I'm not one to call someone a bust due to injury. You can't predict that. Could Thomas produce better than Calvin for the rest of the the year? Absolutely. Is it a given? Absolutely not. I have no problem taking my chances with Calvin where I own him. It would be nice if you could provide something factual here. You guys are so quick to argue for the sake of arguing that you have no idea why this thread was started. If Calvin can overcome his injury in the next week or two, there's no reason he can't end up with the better season of the two. I guess we can forget that Thomas put up 2 stinkers in the first three weeks of the season without injury.

 

[SproutDaddy]

And why would an 0-5 team trade away Demaryius Thomas for Calvin????? Seems like a surefire way to not make the playoffs.

Well based of what you guys are saying I should be trying to sell Calvin+++ in order to acquire Thomas. If he is clearly the better option it would make sense for the 0-5 team.......especially when only 4 teams make the playoff in this 12 team league. Don't hurt yourself trying to over think this.

 

[ghostguy123]

You want FACTUAL as far as fantasy predictions?? Seriously?? Only fact here is that Thomas has been better for his fantasy teams so far this year than Calvin, and looks to be for AT LEAST a bit longer. As far as future predictions, you are asking for something factual that can't be factual. Weird.

How bout this for just a simple opinion.

I think Thomas can and would score about the same as Calvin if they were both healthy all year..................Thomas is now healthy, Calvin is not, and if he does have a high ankle sprain that is BAD BAD BAD news. Given that I think they would score near the same healthy, and Calvin has what seems to be a high ankle sprain, I take D.thomas from here on out, including the fantasy playoff that he will lead me to while Calvin sits around not scoring for you.

 

[ghostguy123]

And why would an 0-5 team trade away Demaryius Thomas for Calvin????? Seems like a surefire way to not make the playoffs.

Well based of what you guys are saying I should be trying to sell Calvin+++ in order to acquire Thomas. If he is clearly the better option it would make sense for the 0-5 team.......especially when only 4 teams make the playoff in this 12 team league. Don't hurt yourself trying to over think this.

You may need to re-read this.

You said you wouldnt be offering Calvin to the 0-5 team for D Thomas............................and I asked you why on earth an 0-5 team would deal Thomas for Calvin.

Pretty sure you are confusing which team is 0-5 and who currently owns who.

 

[ghostguy123]

Oh, and 5 points per week is rather drastic 5 weeks into the season, just an FYI.

 

[cvnpoka]

uhh, dude, the injury is the only reason this thread exists. the injury is why dthomas is a far better option this year.

Uhh, dude, YOu and ghost need to go back and read the first post of the thread. You guys are wrong......again. We'll see if Thomas is a better option. Calvin was CLEARLY the more dominant WR the first 3 weeks. The injury happened two weeks ago. This thread was started in July. I won't be offering Calvin to the 0-5 team in my dynasty for his Thomas anytime soon. I'll take my chances on Calvin. We aren't even halfway through the season yet.

no, i obv meant "exists" in the sense that its the only reason this thread is getting any sort of discussion or notoriety.

and im not sure why the 0-5 team would want calvin.

regardless, even if this was a normal year where calvin was producing and not injured, id imagine most ppl would prefer dthomas since hes already had his bye. their adps were very close in redraft.

 

[ghostguy123]

and im not sure why the 0-5 team would want calvin.

Don't hurt yourself trying to overthink this, HAHAHAHA

 

[cvnpoka]

unless profootballreference is wrong, you are wrong

Born: December 25, 1987 in Montrose, GA (Age 26.288)

Born: September 29, 1985 in Tyrone, GA (Age 29.010)

If D-Thomas was born on Christmas (which is less than 3 months away) how can he only be 26.288 years of age?

Those dates show Calvin was born 2 years and just about 3 months sooner.

lol pro football reference then

 

[SproutDaddy]

Obviou

uhh, dude, the injury is the only reason this thread exists. the injury is why dthomas is a far better option this year.

Uhh, dude, YOu and ghost need to go back and read the first post of the thread. You guys are wrong......again. We'll see if Thomas is a better option. Calvin was CLEARLY the more dominant WR the first 3 weeks. The injury happened two weeks ago. This thread was started in July. I won't be offering Calvin to the 0-5 team in my dynasty for his Thomas anytime soon. I'll take my chances on Calvin. We aren't even halfway through the season yet.

no, i obv meant "exists" in the sense that its the only reason this thread is getting any sort of discussion or notoriety.

and im not sure why the 0-5 team would want calvin.

regardless, even if this was a normal year where calvin was producing and not injured, id imagine most ppl would prefer dthomas since hes already had his bye. their adps were very close in redraft.

Obviously? Not sure how I'm supposed to automatically know that.

And if a team is 0-5 (and I assure you they have zero chance of making the playoffs), why wouldn't they trade Thomas for Calvin, Ingram, and a 1st rounder? I did say Calvin+++. I'd never offer that though.

 

[SproutDaddy]

and im not sure why the 0-5 team would want calvin.

Don't hurt yourself trying to overthink this, HAHAHAHA

I'm not even going to explain how this is over your head.

 

[ghostguy123]

Obviou

uhh, dude, the injury is the only reason this thread exists. the injury is why dthomas is a far better option this year.

Uhh, dude, YOu and ghost need to go back and read the first post of the thread. You guys are wrong......again. We'll see if Thomas is a better option. Calvin was CLEARLY the more dominant WR the first 3 weeks. The injury happened two weeks ago. This thread was started in July. I won't be offering Calvin to the 0-5 team in my dynasty for his Thomas anytime soon. I'll take my chances on Calvin. We aren't even halfway through the season yet.

no, i obv meant "exists" in the sense that its the only reason this thread is getting any sort of discussion or notoriety.

and im not sure why the 0-5 team would want calvin.

regardless, even if this was a normal year where calvin was producing and not injured, id imagine most ppl would prefer dthomas since hes already had his bye. their adps were very close in redraft.

Obviously? Not sure how I'm supposed to automatically know that.

And if a team is 0-5 (and I assure you they have zero chance of making the playoffs), why wouldn't they trade Thomas for Calvin, Ingram, and a 1st rounder? I did say Calvin+++. I'd never offer that though.

So we moved from a redraft trade to a dynasty trade all of a sudden

 

[SproutDaddy]

Night fellas it's been real.

 

[ghostguy123]

Ah crap you said dynasty. Well, TYPE IT BIGGER NEXT TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Or dont spend so much time talking about THIS year adnd maybe reitterate DYNASTY rather than let that drag on and on and on

 

[SproutDaddy]

Obviou

uhh, dude, the injury is the only reason this thread exists. the injury is why dthomas is a far better option this year.

Uhh, dude, YOu and ghost need to go back and read the first post of the thread. You guys are wrong......again. We'll see if Thomas is a better option. Calvin was CLEARLY the more dominant WR the first 3 weeks. The injury happened two weeks ago. This thread was started in July. I won't be offering Calvin to the 0-5 team in my dynasty for his Thomas anytime soon. I'll take my chances on Calvin. We aren't even halfway through the season yet.

no, i obv meant "exists" in the sense that its the only reason this thread is getting any sort of discussion or notoriety.

and im not sure why the 0-5 team would want calvin.

regardless, even if this was a normal year where calvin was producing and not injured, id imagine most ppl would prefer dthomas since hes already had his bye. their adps were very close in redraft.

Obviously? Not sure how I'm supposed to automatically know that.

And if a team is 0-5 (and I assure you they have zero chance of making the playoffs), why wouldn't they trade Thomas for Calvin, Ingram, and a 1st rounder? I did say Calvin+++. I'd never offer that though.

So we moved from a redraft trade to a dynasty trade all of a sudden

It's hard for you to keep up. I've already said on more than one occasion that I only own Calvin in dynasty. Not surprised you didn't catch that with your selective reading.

 

[SproutDaddy]

Ah crap you said dynasty. Well, TYPE IT BIGGER NEXT TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Learn to read numbnuts

 

[ghostguy123]

And why would an 0-5 team trade away Demaryius Thomas for Calvin????? Seems like a surefire way to not make the playoffs.

Well based of what you guys are saying I should be trying to sell Calvin+++ in order to acquire Thomas. If he is clearly the better option it would make sense for the 0-5 team.......especially when only 4 teams make the playoff in this 12 team league. Don't hurt yourself trying to over think this.

Although in this post you clearly do not specify.

 

[ghostguy123]

Ah crap you said dynasty. Well, TYPE IT BIGGER NEXT TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Learn to read numbnuts

Learn to point something out that could have been missed rather than ramble on 40 posts, jacknugget...............unless it makes you feel good about yourself to know for 40 posts that the person you are arguing with missed a simple word in one of your posts, yet argue anyway.

If so, cool. I am here to help the self esteem of the masses.

 

[ghostguy123]

Still laughing at the math of profootballreference

 

[ghostguy123]

Oh, and by the way, I take Demaryius over Calvin in dynasty straight up.

 

[King of the Jungle]

Oh, and by the way, I take Demaryius over Calvin in dynasty straight up.

Not sure why anyone wouldn't at this point. Agree 100%.

 

[meatwad1]

Pennies on the dollar, fellas...that is what he will be had for this week when we find out he is sitting again. Be ready to pounce!!!

 

[togo]

I've put him on the "Trading Block" in my league the last 2 weeks and have not received 1 offer. I have put him in several offers myself and they all have been rejected.

 

[jdubs952]

I bought him for maclin and fjax.

 

[R Dizzle]

Offered Calvin and Vereen for Emmanuel Sanders. Laughed at.

Tried to get McCoy for Calvin and Pierre Thomas, he said he wouldn't take less than LeVeon and Calvin for McCoy and Watkins. So I guess he's a hold for me.

 

[jeaton6]

Offered Calvin and Vereen for Emmanuel Sanders. Laughed at.

Redraft?

Tried to get McCoy for Calvin and Pierre Thomas, he said he wouldn't take less than LeVeon and Calvin for McCoy and Watkins. So I guess he's a hold for me.

Redraft?

 

[R Dizzle]

Offered Calvin and Vereen for Emmanuel Sanders. Laughed at.

Redraft?

Tried to get McCoy for Calvin and Pierre Thomas, he said he wouldn't take less than LeVeon and Calvin for McCoy and Watkins. So I guess he's a hold for me.

Redraft?

Yeah redraft.

 

[tunamelt warrior]

Anyone that has Calvin used a high pick on him, obviously. The guy in my league that has him isn't going to sell him low. What would be the point? I think if you have him you have to wait for the next couple of weeks, and do your best to hang in the playoff race. Mega has the potential to put an owner over the top in the last crucial weeks of the year. Not many players can do that for a team. Sell at your own peril.

 

[flapgreen]

Offered Calvin and Vereen for Emmanuel Sanders. Laughed at.

Tried to get McCoy for Calvin and Pierre Thomas, he said he wouldn't take less than LeVeon and Calvin for McCoy and Watkins. So I guess he's a hold for me.

Sounds like some unrealistic owners you're trying to trade with. Definite hold in that case.

 

[kingjamm]

Anyone that has Calvin used a high pick on him, obviously. The guy in my league that has him isn't going to sell him low. What would be the point? I think if you have him you have to wait for the next couple of weeks, and do your best to hang in the playoff race. Mega has the potential to put an owner over the top in the last crucial weeks of the year. Not many players can do that for a team. Sell at your own peril.

First round 7th pick. Was sitting at 2-4 and needed to win this week. Traded Calvin for Cooks, Vereen and San Diego D today. Not gonna look back at this point because he absolutely was the biggest reason why I ended up in the hole I was in.

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Matthew Stafford told ESPN's Sal Palantonio he's expecting Calvin Johnson to get plenty of 1-on-1 chances against Dolphins CB Brent Grimes Sunday.

Grimes is an excellent corner, but he'll be at a severe size disadvantage (5-foot-10 vs. 6-foot-5). As for Johnson's ankle, it's a non-story. "Put me in the lineup, man," he told fantasy owners via NFL Network. "I'm healthy. I'm ready to play." Johnson is our No. 4 wideout play in Week 10.


Source: Adam Levitan on Twitter
Nov 9 - 10:47 AM

 

[ConnSKINS26]

Today, his reign of terror continues and he punches all the doubters right in their collective ****.

 

[King of the Jungle]

Today, his reign of terror continues and he punches all the doubters right in their collective ****.

I agree he has some life left in him. But with each extensive injury his value erodes in dynasty.

I would not be surprised if he tops 200 yards today however.

 

[blake]

I traded Calvin, McFadden and Greg Jennings for Sammy Watkins, kelvin Benjamin and marshawn lynch. Who knows...guess I'll find out how dumb that was very soon.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

He's back. 50 yard TD!

 

[Faust]

Calvin Johnson marks return with outstanding TD catch vs. Dolphins

 

[Tau837]

He should have had 2 TDs, but he waited for the ball on the last drive and allowed the defender to break it up. Had he attacked the ball instead, he would have had the game winner. Fortunately for the Lions, it didn't cost them.

 

[weebs]

He should have had 2 TDs, but he waited for the ball on the last drive and allowed the defender to break it up. Had he attacked the ball instead, he would have had the game winner. Fortunately for the Lions, it didn't cost them.

You mean 3. Grimes made an amazing play on an easy score.

 

[Dizzy]

Time to fan the flames here again. Be it due to injury, offensive strategy, lack of practice, or *GULP* losing a step... I'm starting to think we'll be seeing a lot more Calvin Johnson than Megatron.

Interesting "the CJ ship is sinking" article on the Bleacher Report today: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2277865-has-calvin-johnson-already-started-showing-signs-of-decline

 

[buymeagoat]

Time to fan the flames here again. Be it due to injury, offensive strategy, lack of practice, or *GULP* losing a step... I'm starting to think we'll be seeing a lot more Calvin Johnson than Megatron.

Interesting "the CJ ship is sinking" article on the Bleacher Report today: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2277865-has-calvin-johnson-already-started-showing-signs-of-decline

You beat me to it. I love the end of the article, though, explaining that he is merely among the best rather than the best. It is unfortunate that he's been so pedestrian this year. Still, he's a low-end WR1 unless he keeps pace with his past two games. If that is the case, he drops to a low end WR2 or high end WR3. One game is an anomaly. Two games is the start of a pattern. Thankfully the rest of his decent. New England is a tough defense and they only seem to be getting better. Yes, Stafford was awful yesterday but give credit to a great defense. So given that, I project this is a two game anomaly for Calvin and we will see more WR1 from here on out. He likely will not be dominant given that Tate has proven to be a WR1 as well but he should produce nonetheless.

 

[jon_mx]

Lots of stupid going on in here. A healthy Calvin will be in the Top 3 of all WR's the rest of the season. He has not lost a step. He is not a low-end WR2.

 

[omally]

Yes, Stafford was awful yesterday but give credit to a great defense. So given that, I project this is a two game anomaly for Calvin and we will see more WR1 from here on out. He likely will not be dominant given that Tate has proven to be a WR1 as well but he should produce nonetheless.

I didn't think Stafford was awful yesterday. I didn't think he was good either. Two of his receivers dropped touchdowns, and there were some other bad drops yesterday. The offensive line was awful. I'm not giving Stafford a pass, but he wasn't the biggest problem yesterday.

 

[Dizzy]

Lots of stupid going on in here. A healthy Calvin will be in the Top 3 of all WR's the rest of the season. He has not lost a step. He is not a low-end WR2.

Please feel free to further educate us stupid folks then. You're saying it is the injury?

I apologize for being so stupid. I guess I'm still getting used to the New Megatron that jogs off the line and has defenders in his hip pocket.

Also, I may be stupid, but I have yet to see an athlete that can outrun Father Time. I certainly feel the on-field performance opens the conversation.

Again, my apologies for being so stupid.