Is Now the Time to Sell Calvin Johnson? (1 Viewer)

[ghostguy123]

Can we go back to two offseasons ago when people were saying stuff like "you gotta ride this stud to titles, rebuilding never wins, blah blah blah".

This is the deal, when Calvin was 29 when this thread really started, it was the ideal time to sell Calvin, and that is even if he had been performing well the past 2 years. The fact that he hasn't done a lot means those people who did sell made out like BANDITS. Even if Calvin had been balling like the Calvin of old, and assuming people did get a nice haul for him, you would still be in decent shape.

When a stud is about to turn 30 and you can get a nice big haul for him, you have to do it, no matter the player. There may be an occasion where it ends up not helping you overall, but that has to be about a 10% chance.

I can't wait to do the same when guys I have like Green and Julio hit 29

 

[ConnSKINS26]

If you could GET a haul, yes. But most couldn't, so they didn't, even if they were advocating keeping him I'm sure they would have sold for a "haul". Most of us Calvin owners are hoping for a Fitz-like resurgence. Fitz looked finished for a couple years due to QB play and lack of targets and looks great this year, and Calvin is capable of a similar resurgence.

Really hoping he's cut this offseason and goes just about anywhere else.

 

[lod01]

If you could GET a haul, yes. But most couldn't, so they didn't, even if they were advocating keeping him I'm sure they would have sold for a "haul". Most of us Calvin owners are hoping for a Fitz-like resurgence. Fitz looked finished for a couple years due to QB play and lack of targets and looks great this year, and Calvin is capable of a similar resurgence.

Really hoping he's cut this offseason and goes just about anywhere else.

He can't go to a worse situation. That is the only reason he is underperforming. It's comical to think at age 29, he is done. You actually have to watch the games to see how Stafford doesn't even look his way. It's not like he looks at Calvin and determines he's covered. He's looking for the RB to dump it to almost instantaneously.

 

[ghostguy123]

If you could GET a haul, yes. But most couldn't, so they didn't, even if they were advocating keeping him I'm sure they would have sold for a "haul". Most of us Calvin owners are hoping for a Fitz-like resurgence. Fitz looked finished for a couple years due to QB play and lack of targets and looks great this year, and Calvin is capable of a similar resurgence.

Really hoping he's cut this offseason and goes just about anywhere else.

He was being drafted as a top 5 overall player. All you really had to do was get market value to be a "haul"

 

[ghostguy123]

If you could GET a haul, yes. But most couldn't, so they didn't, even if they were advocating keeping him I'm sure they would have sold for a "haul". Most of us Calvin owners are hoping for a Fitz-like resurgence. Fitz looked finished for a couple years due to QB play and lack of targets and looks great this year, and Calvin is capable of a similar resurgence.

Really hoping he's cut this offseason and goes just about anywhere else.

He can't go to a worse situation. That is the only reason he is underperforming. It's comical to think at age 29, he is done. You actually have to watch the games to see how Stafford doesn't even look his way. It's not like he looks at Calvin and determines he's covered. He's looking for the RB to dump it to almost instantaneously.

He didn't have to be "done" to have traded him.

Some people can't handle trading away a player who still plays well after they leave their team. Sometimes, it is the right move.

 

[Eminence]

I recently traded for him and am stoked. He's got to be sick of being a Lion. Poor guy.

 

[BearsFan4Life]

Tried trading for him in dynasty for his matchup with NO and other guy wanted Allen Robinson, Landry and my 1st Round Rookie Pick next year (#11-14) for Calvin and Bradford .... no Calvin for me

 

[fightingillini]

Tried trading for him in dynasty for his matchup with NO and other guy wanted Allen Robinson, Landry and my 1st Round Rookie Pick next year (#11-14) for Calvin and Bradford .... no Calvin for me

Hope you LOL big time at that crappy offer. I wouldn't deal ARob for Calvin and the 1st round pick alone, and the other guy also wants Landry while only giving up Bradford?

 

[BearsFan4Life]

Tried trading for him in dynasty for his matchup with NO and other guy wanted Allen Robinson, Landry and my 1st Round Rookie Pick next year (#11-14) for Calvin and Bradford .... no Calvin for me

Hope you LOL big time at that crappy offer. I wouldn't deal ARob for Calvin and the 1st round pick alone, and the other guy also wants Landry while only giving up Bradford?

Not sure I would even give Landry and #1 for Calvin in Dynasty. Only reason is his matchup @ NO for me in semis to start him over Lamar Miller

 

[lod01]

Tried trading for him in dynasty for his matchup with NO and other guy wanted Allen Robinson, Landry and my 1st Round Rookie Pick next year (#11-14) for Calvin and Bradford .... no Calvin for me

Hope you LOL big time at that crappy offer. I wouldn't deal ARob for Calvin and the 1st round pick alone, and the other guy also wants Landry while only giving up Bradford?

Not sure I would even give Landry and #1 for Calvin in Dynasty. Only reason is his matchup @ NO for me in semis to start him over Lamar Miller

No way I would in Dynasty. Landry is a bonehead but tannehill feeds him the ball. I would have problems doing it straight up Dynasty and I own Calvin.

 

[ghostguy123]

Tried trading for him in dynasty for his matchup with NO and other guy wanted Allen Robinson, Landry and my 1st Round Rookie Pick next year (#11-14) for Calvin and Bradford .... no Calvin for me

Might belong in worst offer thread.

 

[Faust]

FANTASY OUTLOOK: CALVIN JOHNSON

 

[salmonstud]

Time to trade Calvin was last year.

 

[tangfoot]

Sold him for Randall Cobb and Jalen Strong. Pretty happy about that.

 

[Eminence]

I'm still a believer. I will gladly take him even cheaper in redraft next year.

 

[Ladsud]

He needs to adjust, turn himself into a Brandon Marshall type and use that big body and start blocking people out for 10-15 yard catchs and go for the occasional 40 yarder.

 

[Eminence]

He needs to adjust, turn himself into a Brandon Marshall type and use that big body and start blocking people out for 10-15 yard catchs and go for the occasional 40 yarder.

He also needs to find a new team, lol.

 

[Ladsud]

He needs to adjust, turn himself into a Brandon Marshall type and use that big body and start blocking people out for 10-15 yard catchs and go for the occasional 40 yarder.

He also needs to find a new team, lol.

he likes his 100 million dollar pay day, and no team is going to pick up that pay check. Johnson had his chance to leave, he made his choice, the right choice and took the 100 mil. He will retire in Detroit.

 

[Eminence]

He needs to adjust, turn himself into a Brandon Marshall type and use that big body and start blocking people out for 10-15 yard catchs and go for the occasional 40 yarder.

He also needs to find a new team, lol.

he likes his 100 million dollar pay day, and no team is going to pick up that pay check. Johnson had his chance to leave, he made his choice, the right choice and took the 100 mil. He will retire in Detroit.

I was just making a joke.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

He needs to adjust, turn himself into a Brandon Marshall type and use that big body and start blocking people out for 10-15 yard catchs and go for the occasional 40 yarder.

He also needs to find a new team, lol.

he likes his 100 million dollar pay day, and no team is going to pick up that pay check. Johnson had his chance to leave, he made his choice, the right choice and took the 100 mil. He will retire in Detroit.

Not if they cut him due to that ridiculous cap number.

 

[Eminence]

Plot twist, I like it. Send him to the Patriots. Gronk and Johnson on the same field with Brady.

 

[lod01]

He needs to adjust, turn himself into a Brandon Marshall type and use that big body and start blocking people out for 10-15 yard catchs and go for the occasional 40 yarder.

He also needs to find a new team, lol.

This more than anything. Stafford sucks as well but he sucks so bad now that he doesn't even look at Calvin for most of the plays. Then you have Matt Ryan and Julio. Ryan looks directly at Julio on almost ever pass play. Location matters. QB matters.

 

[lod01]

He needs to adjust, turn himself into a Brandon Marshall type and use that big body and start blocking people out for 10-15 yard catchs and go for the occasional 40 yarder.

Brandon Marshall is unique. He said exactly that in an interview and it's true. Coaches should be using his game tape to show how to play WR. I drafted him in dynasty and he is the only guy I have seen do what he does when the ball is coming at him and that is make a break towards the ball to create separation. Most WR's let the ball come to them. He attacks it. If I wanted to hire a WR coach, he would be it.

 

[lod01]

He needs to adjust, turn himself into a Brandon Marshall type and use that big body and start blocking people out for 10-15 yard catchs and go for the occasional 40 yarder.

He also needs to find a new team, lol.

he likes his 100 million dollar pay day, and no team is going to pick up that pay check. Johnson had his chance to leave, he made his choice, the right choice and took the 100 mil. He will retire in Detroit.

Not if they cut him due to that ridiculous cap number.

Which they will be forced to do unless he makes the boneheaded decision to renegotiate. Eventually though they will have to cut him due to cap $.

 

[Kwai Chang Caine]

Well, thanks to Watkins and David Johnson, my ticket is punched for our fantasy bowl. But how I roll Calvin out there...I just can't do it. Have john Brown riding pine week after week. Never wise to change a winning lineup usually but may have to.

 

[Eminence]

Maybe he's dogging it in an effort to get cut? Or dogging it because his team sucks.

What can you do if Megatron is only getting targeted once? He's mainly running deep routes. There's a 30+ guys in the league that can play Megatron's role in the Lions offense and not make what he makes.

 

[lod01]

Maybe he's dogging it in an effort to get cut? Or dogging it because his team sucks.

What can you do if Megatron is only getting targeted once? He's mainly running deep routes. There's a 30+ guys in the league that can play Megatron's role in the Lions offense and not make what he makes.

Colston easily open and he's slow and a fossil. That's the difference between a brain (Payton) and a moron (Caldwell). Arrests should be made for the criminal non use of Calvin.

1 catch, $1.25 million game check. Nice days work. He may get some action as soon as they fall behind with 2 minutes left to go.

 

[Rodeojones]

Maybe he's dogging it in an effort to get cut? Or dogging it because his team sucks.

What can you do if Megatron is only getting targeted once? He's mainly running deep routes. There's a 30+ guys in the league that can play Megatron's role in the Lions offense and not make what he makes.

Colston easily open and he's slow and a fossil. That's the difference between a brain (Payton) and a moron (Caldwell). Arrests should be made for the criminal non use of Calvin.

1 catch, $1.25 million game check. Nice days work. He may get some action as soon as they fall behind with 2 minutes left to go.

I am luckily in the SB next week and will be rolling out Kamar Aiken instead of Megatron.

 

[georg013]

If you could GET a haul, yes. But most couldn't, so they didn't, even if they were advocating keeping him I'm sure they would have sold for a "haul". Most of us Calvin owners are hoping for a Fitz-like resurgence. Fitz looked finished for a couple years due to QB play and lack of targets and looks great this year, and Calvin is capable of a similar resurgence.

Really hoping he's cut this offseason and goes just about anywhere else.

He can't go to a worse situation. That is the only reason he is underperforming. It's comical to think at age 29, he is done. You actually have to watch the games to see how Stafford doesn't even look his way. It's not like he looks at Calvin and determines he's covered. He's looking for the RB to dump it to almost instantaneously.

He didn't have to be "done" to have traded him.

Some people can't handle trading away a player who still plays well after they leave their team. Sometimes, it is the right move.

I typically disagree with most of what you say but man is this true. I was the one making crazy statements "Calvin is different. He will always be the top guy until age 3?" with ? = however long I need him. But once I moved him, I was able to see the decline clearly. Some of the wishful thinking in here is sad. I know its hard to accept but the fact remains that father time is undefeated. Even for Transformers that turn into vending machines. He is no longer a WR1. He is a high end WR2 on a good day. I never thought I would say that. I owned him during his best years. RIP big fella. Moral of the story? Quit getting caught up in your feelings for these players. Stay ahead of the curve.

 

[renesauz]

Maybe he's dogging it in an effort to get cut? Or dogging it because his team sucks.

What can you do if Megatron is only getting targeted once? He's mainly running deep routes. There's a 30+ guys in the league that can play Megatron's role in the Lions offense and not make what he makes.

Colston easily open and he's slow and a fossil. That's the difference between a brain (Payton) and a moron (Caldwell). Arrests should be made for the criminal non use of Calvin.

1 catch, $1.25 million game check. Nice days work. He may get some action as soon as they fall behind with 2 minutes left to go.

I am luckily in the SB next week and will be rolling out Kamar Aiken instead of Megatron.

And I'm not in mine...thanks in no small part to rolling out Calvin

 

[trader jake]

Sad day when Megatron enters the game on defense and I think, "At least the ball will go his way."

 

[BearsFan4Life]

Thankfully my offer of Landry and 1st round rookie pick for megatron in dynasty before tonight's game was rejected. If it was accepted and I start Calvin I lose. Not going to try again.

 

[Eminence]

I've started him all year, rolling with the big guy to punch San Francisco in the jaw!

#championship

 

[lod01]

If you could GET a haul, yes. But most couldn't, so they didn't, even if they were advocating keeping him I'm sure they would have sold for a "haul". Most of us Calvin owners are hoping for a Fitz-like resurgence. Fitz looked finished for a couple years due to QB play and lack of targets and looks great this year, and Calvin is capable of a similar resurgence.

Really hoping he's cut this offseason and goes just about anywhere else.

He can't go to a worse situation. That is the only reason he is underperforming. It's comical to think at age 29, he is done. You actually have to watch the games to see how Stafford doesn't even look his way. It's not like he looks at Calvin and determines he's covered. He's looking for the RB to dump it to almost instantaneously.

He didn't have to be "done" to have traded him.

Some people can't handle trading away a player who still plays well after they leave their team. Sometimes, it is the right move.

I typically disagree with most of what you say but man is this true. I was the one making crazy statements "Calvin is different. He will always be the top guy until age 3?" with ? = however long I need him. But once I moved him, I was able to see the decline clearly. Some of the wishful thinking in here is sad. I know its hard to accept but the fact remains that father time is undefeated. Even for Transformers that turn into vending machines. He is no longer a WR1. He is a high end WR2 on a good day. I never thought I would say that. I owned him during his best years. RIP big fella. Moral of the story? Quit getting caught up in your feelings for these players. Stay ahead of the curve.

Horrible analysis. If you watch the game, he gets double teamed still inside the 10. That's 2 guys devoted to him. Guys in decline do not get 2 guys assigned to stop them. In the middle of the field a safety is always over top so with a hack like Caldwell who won't take chances, that takes Calvin out of the game, in his mind. You should look at slow Larry Fitz when he was on a team that couldn't get him the ball. Then Palmer arrived and he's putting up numbers again.

However, if he doesn't get off this team this year though, it will be over for him. Unless Sean Payton came here. Then he would put up monster numbers again.

 

[Kwai Chang Caine]

Ok so some good points on either side of the argument but for NEXT WEEK, what do we do? The pattern is horrible. Can you really roll him out if you have a decent option?

 

[Shutout]

Ok so some good points on either side of the argument but for NEXT WEEK, what do we do? The pattern is horrible. Can you really roll him out if you have a decent option?

No and it is that simple. This is a trend for this year. Forget what you know of Calvin in the past. Forget of what you think might be for the future. This is now and defenses are going to continue to focus on him, he clearly isn't 100%, and the Lions have other options to make it easier.

Why would Stafford force it to Calvin with 2-3 guys on him when he has very reliable Tate and Ebron and Riddick and Abdullah options? It is just not in the cards this year.

Could you end up with 10-14 points? Sure, because it is situational and anyone can catch a short RZ TD or bust one play. But if you play ppr and have an option that is legit for high volume, you take him and sit Calvin. You can roll out every WR between Willie freaking Snead to Hurns to Aiken to Moncrief and you are probably at least 65/35 in favor of doing better than Calvin right now.

 

[lod01]

I typically disagree with most of what you say but man is this true. I was the one making crazy statements "Calvin is different. He will always be the top guy until age 3?" with ? = however long I need him. But once I moved him, I was able to see the decline clearly. Some of the wishful thinking in here is sad. I know its hard to accept but the fact remains that father time is undefeated. Even for Transformers that turn into vending machines. He is no longer a WR1. He is a high end WR2 on a good day. I never thought I would say that. I owned him during his best years. RIP big fella. Moral of the story? Quit getting caught up in your feelings for these players. Stay ahead of the curve.

You are obviously not seeing clearly. as nothing to do with decline as you can see.

“You guys can see the way Calvin is running around out there he’s doing everything he can right now, he’s fighting through. They were doubling him the whole game. Every time I caught the snap 31 (Jairus Byrd) was sprinting to where he was,’’ Matthew Stafford said.

Someone in decline doesn't get double teamed every play. Trading him because you can see that Detroit cannot get him the ball is one thing, claiming you see decline as the reason to unload him when it's not there is another.

It sucks owning Calvin as long as this regime is in place but decline is not part of it.

 

[Seekay]

So he is not in decline but didn't play at all in the preseason and is always missing practices through out the season.

Maybe his skills haven't declined but his physical health sure is.

 

[YoUnG GuNz]

Lol let's not act like Calvin hasn't been getting double teamed and beating them his whole career. He is falling off and can no longer beat double teams. He has lost a couple steps. Still a WR2/3 for his TD upside. But it's time to abandon ship in the hopes that this guy is an elite WR.

 

[lod01]

Now it's 'a couple of steps'. Guys who lose a couple of steps do not get double teamed all game. Understand that Caldwell is not going to throw into a double team down the field, period. He's a weak coach who takes no chances. Caldwell has lost many games with this philosophy. Weak Ds's they can beat, middle of the road and above they cannot. Good teams can beat Caldwell's strategy. This may save the loser's job but it is a losing strategy.

See 1:29 on this film...See 2:48 to see a pass that Caldwell will not allow to be thrown. You guys make it sound like someone is glued to him. Well, they were glued to him there and Stafford threw the ball to him. Now Stafford won't.

Great article basically saying some of the same things and more as far as this team.

http://www.theoaklandpress.com/sports/20151222/pat-caputo-win-over-new-orleans-doesnt-remotely-cure-what-is-ailing-the-detroit-lions

 

[georg013]

I typically disagree with most of what you say but man is this true. I was the one making crazy statements "Calvin is different. He will always be the top guy until age 3?" with ? = however long I need him. But once I moved him, I was able to see the decline clearly. Some of the wishful thinking in here is sad. I know its hard to accept but the fact remains that father time is undefeated. Even for Transformers that turn into vending machines. He is no longer a WR1. He is a high end WR2 on a good day. I never thought I would say that. I owned him during his best years. RIP big fella. Moral of the story? Quit getting caught up in your feelings for these players. Stay ahead of the curve.

You are obviously not seeing clearly. as nothing to do with decline as you can see.You guys can see the way Calvin is running around out there hes doing everything he can right now, hes fighting through. They were doubling him the whole game. Every time I caught the snap 31 (Jairus Byrd) was sprinting to where he was, Matthew Stafford said.

Someone in decline doesn't get double teamed every play. Trading him because you can see that Detroit cannot get him the ball is one thing, claiming you see decline as the reason to unload him when it's not there is another.

It sucks owning Calvin as long as this regime is in place but decline is not part of it.

Im being serious here. In his prime, double teams were single coverage for Calvin. He would blow by defenders with ease and outjump triplets of defenders with regularity. If he could still do that, dont you think the Lions would tap into that? I hate Caldwell as much as the next man but I think it is time to accept that Calvin Johnson cant anymore. Thats why they dont. Now, Calvin was playing on a different level than the other receivers so his step down isnt saying he is useless. It is saying that the bumps and bruises from having to do it all have caught up to him. He is still a good receiver. Every now and again he will surprise with a vintage game. But I remember what young Calvin looked like coming off the line and racing downfield. This guy aint it. Time to accept it man. It just is.

 

[YoUnG GuNz]

Stafford is the one throwing the ball not Caldwell. Calvin just isn't the same player. He can no longer beat double teams on a regular basis. Still a good player and a red zone threat. The days of him taking one 50+ yards to the house are gone. Time to accept it. Rather than go into next season expecting him to be your WR1... temper expectations this is who he is now.

 

[Hu-Tang Clan]

I've heard multiple times that Martha is a fan of Caldwell so what happens next year? Do they bring in a new GM and President but they have to stick with Caldwell or does she hire those two and let them make the football decisions going forward?

 

[lod01]

Stafford is the one throwing the ball not Caldwell. Calvin just isn't the same player. He can no longer beat double teams on a regular basis. Still a good player and a red zone threat. The days of him taking one 50+ yards to the house are gone. Time to accept it. Rather than go into next season expecting him to be your WR1... temper expectations this is who he is now.

Caldwell is in charge, not Stafford. Once again, Brandon Marshall, a much slower WR, took one 70 yards to the house a few weeks back. They are gone because Caldwell doesn't throw the ball down the field. Do you see him throwing to anyone down the field? Nope. One of his objectives coming to the Lions was to cut down on the INTs. That means taking few risks.

 

[lod01]

I typically disagree with most of what you say but man is this true. I was the one making crazy statements "Calvin is different. He will always be the top guy until age 3?" with ? = however long I need him. But once I moved him, I was able to see the decline clearly. Some of the wishful thinking in here is sad. I know its hard to accept but the fact remains that father time is undefeated. Even for Transformers that turn into vending machines. He is no longer a WR1. He is a high end WR2 on a good day. I never thought I would say that. I owned him during his best years. RIP big fella. Moral of the story? Quit getting caught up in your feelings for these players. Stay ahead of the curve.

You are obviously not seeing clearly. as nothing to do with decline as you can see.You guys can see the way Calvin is running around out there hes doing everything he can right now, hes fighting through. They were doubling him the whole game. Every time I caught the snap 31 (Jairus Byrd) was sprinting to where he was, Matthew Stafford said.

Someone in decline doesn't get double teamed every play. Trading him because you can see that Detroit cannot get him the ball is one thing, claiming you see decline as the reason to unload him when it's not there is another.

It sucks owning Calvin as long as this regime is in place but decline is not part of it.

Im being serious here. In his prime, double teams were single coverage for Calvin. He would blow by defenders with ease and outjump triplets of defenders with regularity. If he could still do that, dont you think the Lions would tap into that? I hate Caldwell as much as the next man but I think it is time to accept that Calvin Johnson cant anymore. Thats why they dont. Now, Calvin was playing on a different level than the other receivers so his step down isnt saying he is useless. It is saying that the bumps and bruises from having to do it all have caught up to him. He is still a good receiver. Every now and again he will surprise with a vintage game. But I remember what young Calvin looked like coming off the line and racing downfield. This guy aint it. Time to accept it man. It just is.

Sure he's not 25 anymore and losing a step from a guy that was 4.37 its not losing anything. The bottom line is that Caldwell since his arrival has not thrown down the filed the way they did before he arrived. It's not a coincidence that Calvin's numbers have dropped off since his arrival. Targets have dropped YPC has dropped TDs have dropped. Fact is, it doesn't matter how fast Calvin is at the GL. You throw it up in the air, he out jumps the 5-9 CB. That has happened once this year, maybe twice. They would much rather be conservative and try to run it in.

The bottom line is that his decline in numbers is directly related to Caldwell's arrival. He's as awful as Mike Martz was regarding Calvin's usage.

You guys would have some ammo if they threw it to him and his catch % was abysmal. In fact, it's the best it has been.

 

[georg013]

I typically disagree with most of what you say but man is this true. I was the one making crazy statements "Calvin is different. He will always be the top guy until age 3?" with ? = however long I need him. But once I moved him, I was able to see the decline clearly. Some of the wishful thinking in here is sad. I know its hard to accept but the fact remains that father time is undefeated. Even for Transformers that turn into vending machines. He is no longer a WR1. He is a high end WR2 on a good day. I never thought I would say that. I owned him during his best years. RIP big fella. Moral of the story? Quit getting caught up in your feelings for these players. Stay ahead of the curve.

You are obviously not seeing clearly. as nothing to do with decline as you can see.You guys can see the way Calvin is running around out there hes doing everything he can right now, hes fighting through. They were doubling him the whole game. Every time I caught the snap 31 (Jairus Byrd) was sprinting to where he was, Matthew Stafford said.

Someone in decline doesn't get double teamed every play. Trading him because you can see that Detroit cannot get him the ball is one thing, claiming you see decline as the reason to unload him when it's not there is another.

It sucks owning Calvin as long as this regime is in place but decline is not part of it.

Im being serious here. In his prime, double teams were single coverage for Calvin. He would blow by defenders with ease and outjump triplets of defenders with regularity. If he could still do that, dont you think the Lions would tap into that? I hate Caldwell as much as the next man but I think it is time to accept that Calvin Johnson cant anymore. Thats why they dont. Now, Calvin was playing on a different level than the other receivers so his step down isnt saying he is useless. It is saying that the bumps and bruises from having to do it all have caught up to him. He is still a good receiver. Every now and again he will surprise with a vintage game. But I remember what young Calvin looked like coming off the line and racing downfield. This guy aint it. Time to accept it man. It just is.

Sure he's not 25 anymore and losing a step from a guy that was 4.37 its not losing anything. The bottom line is that Caldwell since his arrival has not thrown down the filed the way they did before he arrived. It's not a coincidence that Calvin's numbers have dropped off since his arrival. Targets have dropped YPC has dropped TDs have dropped. Fact is, it doesn't matter how fast Calvin is at the GL. You throw it up in the air, he out jumps the 5-9 CB. That has happened once this year, maybe twice. They would much rather be conservative and try to run it in.The bottom line is that his decline in numbers is directly related to Caldwell's arrival. He's as awful as Mike Martz was regarding Calvin's usage.

You guys would have some ammo if they threw it to him and his catch % was abysmal. In fact, it's the best it has been.

There is nothing left for me to say man. Good luck to you and I hope for your sake Calvin is still everything you think he is.

 

[lod01]

There is nothing left for me to say man. Good luck to you and I hope for your sake Calvin is still everything you think he is.

He won't be if he stays here and Caldwell is the HC. 2 years of that clown is proof positive. I'll be able to unload him at the draft for pick #4, which I will do. That owner is weak.

 

[georg013]

There is nothing left for me to say man. Good luck to you and I hope for your sake Calvin is still everything you think he is.

He won't be if he stays here and Caldwell is the HC. 2 years of that clown is proof positive. I'll be able to unload him at the draft for pick #4, which I will do. That owner is weak.

Caldwell is garbage. Cant stand the sight of his apathetic face.

 

[lod01]

If they can get rid of that POS and get Gase and Calvin stays and lays eggs, I'll say he's done.

Bears offensive coordinator Adam Gase, who was a finalist for the 49ers' head coaching job a year ago, will be a hot candidate again this January, and league sources said he is of particular interest to the Detroit Lions. Gase, who began his pro career with Detroit, remains close to several members of the Lions' front office. He would be interested in coaching in Detroit and is held in high esteem by former NFL general manager Ernie Acorsi, who is consulting for the team on potential GM and coach hires. While the Lions will not finalize a decision on the fate of coach Jim Caldwell until after the season, Gase will be a top target should Caldwell not return.

Certainly would not expect 25 yr old Calvin but the 2015 Calvin is squarely on this POS HC.

The OP would have nailed the prediction if he would have said 'With Caldwell's arrival, Calvin will suffer, sell him while you can'. I knew things would not be like before but this is criminal non usage.

 

[tone1oc]

If they can get rid of that POS and get Gase and Calvin stays and lays eggs, I'll say he's done.

Bears offensive coordinator Adam Gase, who was a finalist for the 49ers' head coaching job a year ago, will be a hot candidate again this January, and league sources said he is of particular interest to the Detroit Lions. Gase, who began his pro career with Detroit, remains close to several members of the Lions' front office. He would be interested in coaching in Detroit and is held in high esteem by former NFL general manager Ernie Acorsi, who is consulting for the team on potential GM and coach hires. While the Lions will not finalize a decision on the fate of coach Jim Caldwell until after the season, Gase will be a top target should Caldwell not return.

Certainly would not expect 25 yr old Calvin but the 2015 Calvin is squarely on this POS HC.

Stop it..

Megatron looks like a TE nowadays and is on pace for 142 targets. Stafford has been inconsistent which leads to strange stretches for the Lions offense, but this is nothing new. Caldwell sucks and will be fired, but if you are waiting for Megatron to ascend to WR1 status you are crazy.

What are you expecting next season that will be drastically different than this season? Are you expecting 200 targets again for a 31 year old WR? Are you expecting a huge uptick in efficiency at age 31? Are you expecting Ebron/Abdullah/Tate to all take a step back?