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In 2QB leagues, no. In all other formats, yes.
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Is Richardson the best RB prospect since ADP ? (1 Viewer)
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Carter_Can_Fly
Footballguy
I don't see how Luck is not the number 1 pick in any draft in any scoring format. You don't miss a chance to grab a guy like Luck especially with how long a QB career is versus a RB.
duaneok66
Footballguy
there are a lot of QB stacked rosters already. Would you really take Luck if you have guys like Stafford, Cam, Brees, or Rodgers??
golfguy
Footballguy
I might be wrong, and I have been before. Richardson is good, don't get me wrong. I am just not drinking the kool-aid. he looks good to me, but not some awesome prospect.
also a lot depends on where he goes. I like blackmon more in ppr dynasty leagues. he seems more spot on the best WR since calvin johnson.
also a lot depends on where he goes. I like blackmon more in ppr dynasty leagues. he seems more spot on the best WR since calvin johnson.
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
I'm not even sure Luck is the #1 QB with the way most scoring systems are slanted to weigh rushing yards/TDs in fantasy terms. RG3 is going to far more damage with his feet, and that's usually worth roughly twice as much as passing production in most systems.
Touchdown Syndrome
Footballguy
Absolutely.Depending on where each player ends up (as well as the individual league's scoring system), Luck or maybe Blackmon would be other contenders.However, Richardson will be coveted as the #1 rookie in the majority of leagues.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
If he's so good, why couldn't he wrestle the job from Ingram, especially considering that Ingram was apparently a middling talent according to all the experts in here.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Yep, just like Ingram last year. How'd that work out?
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Footballguy
Ingram was hyped at FBG, nowhere else was he hyped very much. You're comparing apples and oranges. I scoffed at the Ingram noise here, I embrace the Richardson noise.
Touchdown Syndrome
Footballguy
Ingram was also very good, and had done nothing to warrant being benched for the younger Richardson.Big-time college programs usually have great depth.
Carter_Can_Fly
Footballguy
I am extremely high on Luck so yes I would take him even if I had an other elite QB. You can always trade to get RB's or find RB's along the way. More than any other position you can always plug and play RB's. Luck is elite and should be treated like so. People are going to be to high on Griffin due to Newton's success. Newton is an anamoly so buyer beware with Griffin if you are planning on taking him over a guy like Luck.
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
Yeah, but if it were a night & day difference between the two, Richardson would have been on the field, period.Richardson is a better prospect than anyone to come out in 2009 / 2010 IMO, but that's due more to the relative weakness of the last two RB classes. He's on par with DMC and Stewart, or Ricky / Edge going back further, as a prospect, and significantly behind ADP, who was (and is) a once in a generation type talent.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Yeah, well I've seen a lot of your posts, that isn't exactly convincing evidence.
Xue
Footballguy
LOL, people who don't think Richardson is a threat to take it to the house should check the stats.
http://www.cfbstats.com/2011/leader/national/player/split01/category31/sort05.html
He has as many 50 Yd runs as LaMichael James and two of them are 70-yarders.
The term "threat to take it to the house" is overstated and overrated.
David Wilson has 4.3 40 speed, but where is he on the list?
http://www.cfbstats.com/2011/leader/national/player/split01/category31/sort05.html
He has as many 50 Yd runs as LaMichael James and two of them are 70-yarders.
The term "threat to take it to the house" is overstated and overrated.
David Wilson has 4.3 40 speed, but where is he on the list?
EBF
Footballguy
There's no shame in splitting time with another elite NFL prospect. Andre Johnson sat behind Santana Moss and Reggie Wayne. Rashard Mendenhall split carries with Pierre Thomas. Marshawn Lynch split carries with JJ Arrington. This sort of thing happens all the time. A lot of college coaches value seniority. You generally don't bench a massively productive player for a younger backup, even if the backup appears more talented. Heck, Andrew Luck was redshirted in favor of a guy named Tavita Pritchard. By your "logic" he must not be very good.
Xue
Footballguy
Why didn't Priest Holmes get more playing time at Texas?
JAA
Footballguy
Pretty sure you said the same things about Stewart. Is that the same bar you have set for Richardson?
EBF
Footballguy
Nope. Stewart was a tentative #1 in my pre-draft rankings that year, but Mendenhall was actually the top RB on my board after the draft. I liked both of those guys, but I didn't rate them quite as highly as Richardson. Richardson is a top 10 dynasty pick.
JAA
Footballguy
How can you claim a college RB is a better prospect than a pro bowl RB in the NFL?The reality Rice was the better prospect, simply everyone got it wrong.Yeah, I can also see the Ray Rice comparisons.Richardson is not quite as shifty, but he's bigger and stronger (and obviously a far better prospect, as Rice was a 2nd rounder).If Peterson had better hands and pass pro coming out of college then they'd be pretty even? So you're saying that Richardson is a better NFL prospect than Peterson was? I guess I'm not in agreement.Personally, I guess Peterson the slight edge but think they're pretty even in that Richardson may be more advanced in pass pro and receiving than Peterson was coming out of college (and is likely more advanced than Peterson is even today), but he isn't nearly as dynamic as Peterson was. Also, to the best of my knowlege, Peterson didn't have fumbling issues coming out of college. That issue reared its ugly head for a short while once he was in the league.Regardless, the fact that Peterson "slipped" to #7 when he had concerns relating to injuries, pass pro, and receiving speaks volumes to the type of prospect he was. I like the Ray Rice comparison for Richardson. An extremely well rounded 3-down back that isn't quite the threat that Peterson is on every touch to take one the distance, yet can be a true workhorse for whatever team takes him.I never said he will have a better career than Peterson. I'm comparing them coming out of college. Richardson is just more advanced and well-rounded at this point in his career. And its very rational. If Peterson had Richardson's hands and pass pro skills, then it would be pretty even. He also had fumbling problems.This way better than Peterson stuff is insanity. Might he be better than Peterson? Possibly. Is it even close to rational to say right now that he will be way better than Peterson? Not a chance.
scrumptrulescent
Footballguy
He's got 4 over 50. Who were they against? When did they occur? What was the score of the game at that time?So what happens if Richardson runs a 4.6? We know he's a workout warrior and has the right size for the NFL game, but there are lots of guys like that who come out of college every year.
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Footballguy
I saw Richardson profiled on sports science and he ran a 4.52 in the game. It would be ridiculous if he runs worse than that on a track where he will be working his tail off training to run a great time. I'll put his over/under at 4.46.
JAA
Footballguy
And Roy Helu had 7 the year before. What are you saying?
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Let's cut the bull#### here. Best prospect since Hornung.
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
This is why I rarely actually use 1st round draft picks in dynasty leagues. I'd much rather trade them off for proven talent to people who fall in love with the rookies every year. While the other guy is in "in two years my team will be unstoppable" mode, I'll be making the playoffs, maybe winning a title. If I can move 1.01 for an Arian Foster or MJD, I'll click accept so fast I'll likely sprain my wrist.For every Peterson there are two (or more) DMCs or Bushes. Not that those guys are awful as rookie picks; they're not. But valuing them more than established young studs before they set foot on an NFL field is a colossal blunder; thankfully, it's also a common one.
JAA
Footballguy
Thats not how I remember you talking about Stewart. Combination of size and speed, etc. Im almost interested in looking up the posts ...
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
He definitely had Reggie Bush at 1st overall in a startup the year he came out...
JAA
Footballguy
I remember trading Reggie Bush 1.01 pick for Antonio Gates and another 1st rounder. Loved the trade ... loved the trade.
Touchdown Syndrome
Footballguy
Exactly.Why didn't Tebow beat out Chris Leak at Florida?There are numerous other examples at huge college football programs.The "argument" that Richardson can't be as good as advertised because he couldn't beat out a Heisman-trophy winning starter borders on absurd.
wiscstlatlmia
Footballguy
UMMMMM....Roy Helu is fast. He ran a 4.42 at the combine lol
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wiscstlatlmia
Footballguy
This sounds pretty dead on to me. Saying Richardson is a McFadden/Stewart type prospect is quite a compliment IMO.
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Concept Coop
Footballguy
If you have watched any Bama football this year, you have heard claims that A LOT of scouts have Richardson as the best since AP. Some saying he is the best they have ever scouted (better than AP) and essentially, that he is the RB version of Andrew Luck.
Lets not pretend this is only EBF and a few other posters making this claim.
Lets not pretend this is only EBF and a few other posters making this claim.
Xue
Footballguy
Exactly.
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Footballguy
JAA, do you like Richardson and do you follow college ball? It almost seems like your beef with Richardson is more about you have some issue with EBF.
EBF
Footballguy
You act like it's a bad thing to be compared to Stewart.
Stewart has averaged 4.8 YPC over his NFL career. He's an elite NFL RB. The only reason he isn't an elite FF RB is because he has the misfortune of being stuck on the same team as another elite pro RB. I don't think many of the people who take Richardson with a top 10 dynasty pick or the 1.01 rookie pick will be upset if he becomes the kind of NFL RB Jonathan Stewart is.
EBF
Footballguy
It cuts both ways. I agree that some owners overvalue youth and "the next big thing" in dynasty leagues. I've been guilty of it myself at times. On the other hand, the ability to recognize elite players before they "prove" it to the naysayers can be tremendously valuable. Owners who took AJ Green with a top 50 pick this past year certainly didn't make a "colossal blunder." That would've been a tremendous pick. Sometimes the only opportunity you'll ever have to acquire an elite player is before he steps on the NFL field. Look at guys like Cam Newton, Adrian Peterson, Jimmy Graham, and Calvin Johnson. The minute they proved their talent, they became untouchable in most leagues. I have been playing dynasty leagues for quite a while now and I can safely say that I've seen several different strategies work. Some teams constantly trade away all of their rookie picks and prospects for immediate proven starters. That can work. Other teams stockpile picks and try to build a perennial winner. That can also work. It's not necessarily "wrong" to draft a rookie high. I took Reggie Bush with the 1.03 pick in a PPR dynasty before his rookie year. He has outperformed and outlasted most of the other players picked in that round. I would gladly take Trent Richardson with a top 10 pick this year in formats that value the RB position. You say he's unproven. IMO, players don't have to have played a down in the NFL to prove that they have elite talent. It's just a formality. It's possible to overvalue past production just as it's possible to overvalue future production. I would much rather have Richardson than a player like MJD. In fact, I feel pretty confident saying that now is probably the only time you ever might be able to trade MJD for Richardson. You don't get points for what MJD did between 2006-2011. Looking ahead, there's no reason to trade an elite player for an older, more broken-down version of the same thing.
shader
Footballguy
I don't know why you guys are expecting him to run a 4.5 or slower? I'd be shocked if he doesn't run a sub 4.5 and if he broke 4.4 it wouldn't floor me.
One of the things that makes him special is that he can take it to the house at any point, and he also is very difficult to tackle and has insane strength.
I'm going to stay out of the hoopla this year, as my Bama homerism got me a bit last year with Ingram. But I don't think there should be ANY worries at all about his speed.
One of the things that makes him special is that he can take it to the house at any point, and he also is very difficult to tackle and has insane strength.
I'm going to stay out of the hoopla this year, as my Bama homerism got me a bit last year with Ingram. But I don't think there should be ANY worries at all about his speed.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
They aren't expecting him to do that. They are simply hedging in case he does. This way if he comes out and disappoints they still have a plausible reason to continue the hype.
dontknowaboutme
Footballguy
I fully agree. Like many people in this thread, I like going all Al Davis on the latest stud. But I also see that there are many talented NFL players who come out of no where, I love when teams trade down in the draft to get more value out of their picks because they evaluate a guy they really like instead of looking at a college career.
Touchdown Syndrome
Footballguy
Yes, we get it....you're annoyed that your Ingram pick didn't pan out after one whole year.Just to be clear, when you've watched Richardson play over the pat couple of seasons, do you NOT see a blue-chip NFL prospect?What are the glaring holes in his game that cause you to think he is a high bust risk?Do you not agree with the idea that he is a superior prospect to what Ingram was (which will be clearly indicated when he's picked much higher than Ingram was).Or is your snarkiness just anti-hype schtick?(serious questions)
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Footballguy
I was thinking the same thing that his hatred of owning Ingram has him all pissed off. I doubt he watches college football often or at all. It's obvious which people do and his comments are always loaded questions without validity. I watch as much as I can and even though in the PAC 12 part of the country there is wonderful channel 732 on Comcast where I get replays of the SEC. I have watched every single Alabama game for 3 years, not always live but in its entirety which formed my opinions on Ingram, Richardson.
Abraham
Footballguy
The fact that Ingram left school early is a big tell. Jamal Lewis left school early as well because he lost his job to Travis Henry. And fwiw, Ricky Williams was a significantly bigger deal coming to the draft then Peterson.
Anyone comparing Ingram as a prospect to Richardson doesn't follow college football at all.
Ingram wasn't considered a top 10 nfl draft pick from any respectable source and would have fell out of the 1st round if NO didn't move up.
NE had a chance to take Ingram and they had a clear need at the rb position, yet traded the pick only to pick rb's in round 2 and 3. They obviously wanted to draft a rb, just not Ingram.
Trent Richardson is the real deal and has no detractors. Mark Ingram is a fraud and many were proclaiming him a bust for a long time.
Richardson is along the lines of peterson as an nfl prospect, although I think peterson was a tiny bit better due to his speed.
Ingram wasn't considered a top 10 nfl draft pick from any respectable source and would have fell out of the 1st round if NO didn't move up.
NE had a chance to take Ingram and they had a clear need at the rb position, yet traded the pick only to pick rb's in round 2 and 3. They obviously wanted to draft a rb, just not Ingram.
Trent Richardson is the real deal and has no detractors. Mark Ingram is a fraud and many were proclaiming him a bust for a long time.
Richardson is along the lines of peterson as an nfl prospect, although I think peterson was a tiny bit better due to his speed.
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Footballguy
Sums a lot up for me. I have no qualms about thinking AP is better cause it's real close. Personally I like Richardson better because of his wide stance and receiving. AP and TR are both elite with yards after contact which I think is the most telling stat/measurable. Hopefully his skills shine on par with AP in the pros.
scrumptrulescent
Footballguy
I don't claim to have watched every one of Richardson's games this year, but Ingram was a pretty good RB when he played at Alabama. The Richardson lust in this thread is equal to the Ingram hatred. And now the hype is pushing Richardson equal to Adrian Peterson....with some small evidence of him passing Peterson. Guys are feeding off eachother in this thread and each post seems to be pushing the hype level up a notch.
Touchdown Syndrome
Footballguy
FTR, any "hype" is not affecting my opinion on Richardson.I'm basing my opinion on actually watching him, and on being an avid college/pro football watcher for many years.I've been more impressed with Richardson than I ever was with Ingram, even during Ingram's Heisman year.I personally haven't seen a better RB prospect since AP (who was the best freshman RB I ever saw, btw).Evidently many share that opinion.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
offdee
Footballguy
Think you guys laughing need to understand the definition of "prospect".It's how are NFL scouts and GMs perceiving the player's abilities to successfully make the jump to the NFL level COMING OUT OF COLLEGE.It's not necessarily saying Richardson will be a better NFL RB than Peterson. It's saying Richardson is perceived to be on the same level of talent (or even better by some) at this same stage of their career (prior to the NFL Draft)Best RB prospect since AD!
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