Is Sanchez already done? (1 Viewer)

[chrisanna]

honest question here...

Does the QB HAVE to be a leader? does Sanchez have enough juice and faith of others in the lockeroom to act like one? does he need to have a monster season in order to be able to step to veteran guys when the time is right? Does he just need to stop making mistakes and not nessesarely have a big statistical year?Can he win us a SB, and be JUST ONE OF THE GUYS?

was thinking about it today, listening to NFL radio...curious what people think.

 

[sspunisher]

Of all the bad things I can say about Mark Sanchez, there is one particular video of him that just sums him up so perfectly to me. Only the military vets will really understand where I'm coming from, but I was watching one of his coaches basically give him a "man up lecture" about how he needed to grow up. How he would always sulk, sigh or shrug his shoulders and seem all sensitive when things were going bad, I believe they were talking about how he behaved around the media. And here's the part that just drove me insane: While they are sitting across from each other at the table and his coach is giving him this speech, Sanchez was looking down into his gym bag and lacing up his cleats the entire time. He'd glance up occasionally, but his cleats were clearly his priority and he would barely even look up.

Most people don't see anything wrong with this, but like I said, any military vet or someone who grew up with a disciplinarian in the house knows what I'm talking about. He looked like a little kid looking down and playing with his toy while daddy told him not to touch his tools. The whole time I was hoping this coach would slam a heavy ### playbook on the table or grab that bag and fling it across the room just to get his attention.

But uh, no dude he's not winning a Super Bowl. And unless Tebow helps improve Sanchez's ####ty work ethic, he'll most definitely get Rex Ryan fired.

 

[LBH]

I think Sanchez will respond with a pretty solid year. This is season will tell us a lot about him one way or the other

 

[Sabertooth]

He has the talent. He needs to respond this year. I think he does. That's the thing about the NFL. Just when you leave a guy for dead, he arrives.

 

[Tanner9919]

the pressure is on Tebow, NOT Sanchez, and because of that, I think Sanchez will have a good season..he's basically playing with house money, people have him listed as the #2 QB, his own teammates have bashed him..so there's nowhere to go but up..so in the first game of preseason, when Tebow throws two picks in his first four passes in a Jets uniform, everyone will come crawling back to Sanchez..

in hindsight,the best thing the Jets could've done for Mark Sanchez, was to trade for Tebow..

I think he resonds in a BIG way in 2012..

 

[Sabertooth]

the pressure is on Tebow, NOT Sanchez, and because of that, I think Sanchez will have a good season..he's basically playing with house money, people have him listed as the #2 QB, his own teammates have bashed him..so there's nowhere to go but up..so in the first game of preseason, when Tebow throws two picks in his first four passes in a Jets uniform, everyone will come crawling back to Sanchez..in hindsight,the best thing the Jets could've done for Mark Sanchez, was to trade for Tebow..I think he resonds in a BIG way in 2012..

Either that or he goes the route of David Carr, shellshocked by reality.

 

[Snotbubbles]

the pressure is on Tebow, NOT Sanchez, and because of that, I think Sanchez will have a good season..he's basically playing with house money, people have him listed as the #2 QB, his own teammates have bashed him..so there's nowhere to go but up..so in the first game of preseason, when Tebow throws two picks in his first four passes in a Jets uniform, everyone will come crawling back to Sanchez..in hindsight,the best thing the Jets could've done for Mark Sanchez, was to trade for Tebow..I think he resonds in a BIG way in 2012..

Or, Sanchez throws 3 picks in game 1 of the regular season and Tebow leads one of his 4th quarter comebacks and Sanchize is never heard from as a starter again.

 

[Shutout]

the pressure is on Tebow, NOT Sanchez, and because of that, I think Sanchez will have a good season..he's basically playing with house money, people have him listed as the #2 QB, his own teammates have bashed him..so there's nowhere to go but up..so in the first game of preseason, when Tebow throws two picks in his first four passes in a Jets uniform, everyone will come crawling back to Sanchez..in hindsight,the best thing the Jets could've done for Mark Sanchez, was to trade for Tebow..I think he resonds in a BIG way in 2012..

Really have to disagree with that. I don't see how bringing the circus that is Tebow along with the legitimate threat of job security to town helps Sanchez.Football teams need leaders. They need to have THE GUY and this splits the locker room on some level. Its hard for me to imagine Sanchez feeling comfortable and playing with house money. Not in New York City and not based on his level of play and the lofty Jets expectations. If I'm a car salesman and I'm doing "ok" but the dealership hasn't met its annual quota the last two years and they bring in a guy that is my age and I don't get the sense that he is a better car salesman than me but I do get the sense that people just have an easy time liking him; I'm not comfortable and feeling like anything goes for me.The issue with Sanchez in NYC is that the expectations are on him as the starter and that's pressure. And, as hard as it is for him to portray himself as a leader to his teams, it seems to come just as easy and natural to Tebow. People just seem to get behind him (Tebow).I think Sanchez is the better protypical Qb we think of when we think of QBs but I think Tebow probably can get more momentum going his way. I think its going to be a dicey year for Sanchez.

 

[comfortably numb]

Of all the bad things I can say about Mark Sanchez, there is one particular video of him that just sums him up so perfectly to me. Only the military vets will really understand where I'm coming from, but I was watching one of his coaches basically give him a "man up lecture" about how he needed to grow up. How he would always sulk, sigh or shrug his shoulders and seem all sensitive when things were going bad, I believe they were talking about how he behaved around the media. And here's the part that just drove me insane: While they are sitting across from each other at the table and his coach is giving him this speech, Sanchez was looking down into his gym bag and lacing up his cleats the entire time. He'd glance up occasionally, but his cleats were clearly his priority and he would barely even look up.Most people don't see anything wrong with this, but like I said, any military vet or someone who grew up with a disciplinarian in the house knows what I'm talking about. He looked like a little kid looking down and playing with his toy while daddy told him not to touch his tools. The whole time I was hoping this coach would slam a heavy ### playbook on the table or grab that bag and fling it across the room just to get his attention. But uh, no dude he's not winning a Super Bowl. And unless Tebow helps improve Sanchez's ####ty work ethic, he'll most definitely get Rex Ryan fired.

Remember when Eli Manning won his FIRST Superbowl, how like in week 12 they were talking about replacing him and how he was no leader and he always had this dumbfounded Ahhhww shucks look, and how Tiki Barber said it was "comical" to watch him the year before try to be a leader.

 

[SWC]

tiki barber is a jerk for that

 

[identikit]

tiki barber is a jerk for that

Just one among many reasons.

 

[houndirish]

Of all the bad things I can say about Mark Sanchez, there is one particular video of him that just sums him up so perfectly to me. Only the military vets will really understand where I'm coming from, but I was watching one of his coaches basically give him a "man up lecture" about how he needed to grow up. How he would always sulk, sigh or shrug his shoulders and seem all sensitive when things were going bad, I believe they were talking about how he behaved around the media. And here's the part that just drove me insane: While they are sitting across from each other at the table and his coach is giving him this speech, Sanchez was looking down into his gym bag and lacing up his cleats the entire time. He'd glance up occasionally, but his cleats were clearly his priority and he would barely even look up.Most people don't see anything wrong with this, but like I said, any military vet or someone who grew up with a disciplinarian in the house knows what I'm talking about. He looked like a little kid looking down and playing with his toy while daddy told him not to touch his tools. The whole time I was hoping this coach would slam a heavy ### playbook on the table or grab that bag and fling it across the room just to get his attention. But uh, no dude he's not winning a Super Bowl. And unless Tebow helps improve Sanchez's ####ty work ethic, he'll most definitely get Rex Ryan fired.

Remember when Eli Manning won his FIRST Superbowl, how like in week 12 they were talking about replacing him and how he was no leader and he always had this dumbfounded Ahhhww shucks look, and how Tiki Barber said it was "comical" to watch him the year before try to be a leader.

I don't think we're comparing apples to apples here. Tiki Barber was really the only one, besides the media, who was bashing Eli's ability to lead. His defenders have always stated that Eli's aw shucks and seemingly relaxed leadership style worked for Eli. There were times people wished Eli was more vocal and he's probably grown into that, but even watching him after two Super Bowl wins, the guy still has that Gomer Pyle, Golly Gee style about him. Clearly it wasn't a hindrance to his ability to lead. Also, the Giants NEVER talked about replacing Eli. The media and some fans might've jumped on that bandwagon but the Accorsi/Reese/Coughlin camp has always firmly supported the guy. Same can't be said of Sanchez at present. Sanchez doesn't seem to have the same backers in his own locker room. Do I think Sanchez is a better player than the media is portraying him, yes? Do I believe he has a poor work ethic? Yes. Rex Ryan doesn't seem to be a good fit for him from a coaching perspective. Sanchez seems a product of the Jets inmates running the asylum mentality. If Bill Cowher, Coughlin or some of the other in your face type of coaches were running the Jets I'd like Sanchez's chances much better. The guy doesn't suck but he also doesn't appear to have the desire to work his way towards becoming a better player.

 

[LBH]

Of all the bad things I can say about Mark Sanchez, there is one particular video of him that just sums him up so perfectly to me. Only the military vets will really understand where I'm coming from, but I was watching one of his coaches basically give him a "man up lecture" about how he needed to grow up. How he would always sulk, sigh or shrug his shoulders and seem all sensitive when things were going bad, I believe they were talking about how he behaved around the media. And here's the part that just drove me insane: While they are sitting across from each other at the table and his coach is giving him this speech, Sanchez was looking down into his gym bag and lacing up his cleats the entire time. He'd glance up occasionally, but his cleats were clearly his priority and he would barely even look up.Most people don't see anything wrong with this, but like I said, any military vet or someone who grew up with a disciplinarian in the house knows what I'm talking about. He looked like a little kid looking down and playing with his toy while daddy told him not to touch his tools. The whole time I was hoping this coach would slam a heavy ### playbook on the table or grab that bag and fling it across the room just to get his attention. But uh, no dude he's not winning a Super Bowl. And unless Tebow helps improve Sanchez's ####ty work ethic, he'll most definitely get Rex Ryan fired.

Remember when Eli Manning won his FIRST Superbowl, how like in week 12 they were talking about replacing him and how he was no leader and he always had this dumbfounded Ahhhww shucks look, and how Tiki Barber said it was "comical" to watch him the year before try to be a leader.

The media and some fans might've jumped on that bandwagon but the Accorsi/Reese/Coughlin camp has always firmly supported the guy. Same can't be said of Sanchez at present.

Really? I haven't read anything except firm support for Sanchez as the starting QB from the Woody J/ Tannambaum/Rex camp. Got a link?As far as Sanchez not having an in your face kind of coach.... From everything I have seen and read about Sporano that is exactly the kind of coaching style he brings. Will it help Sanchez cut down on turnovers? I'm not sure but we'll see soon enough

 

[Reaper]

For the most part - I'm done trying to Prop up a player who I never ever wanted my team to draft but, IMO takes way too much heat..

But, where the hell does this bad work ethic thing come from... To me, that's THE ONE THING I have zero worries about. Guy is a coaches son that eats and breathes football, first in, last out at the complex and sets up his own offseason camps....

The only thing I can say about Sanchez with 100% certainty is that he works his ### off.....

People take a GQ photo shoot done before he was even drafted and point to that - Or what 1 Anonymous source may or may not have said..... Just weird to me how anyone can point to this kid and say he didn't work hard enough.

This is a kid who was trained by some of the best QB coaches around since 8th grade diligently.... Guy had trainers on his ### 24/7 since middle school and is groomed as a football machine.

If anything this kid OVER-WORKS... But, you get the NY media to catch him out one night and pull out some GQ photos from 4 years ago and BAM this kid needs to work harder????

Weird to me.

One thing I might be able to point to is that some "annonymous Source" was quoted as questioning his work ethic - What I figure is, you have to be pretty stupid to begin with to annonymously question a teammate - I think whoever this dope was used a phrase he himself didn't grasp and probably just meant to say Mark didn't grow as fast as he expected in 3 years, This guy has to be misquoted because, the real leaders on this team like Nick Mangold would laugh you out of the room if you believe Mark wasn't a Gym rat workout warrior like he's been sinc his disciplinarion childhood.....

All good from my stand point, because i know any and every whacky story about his negative work ethic means the guy is going to work even harder and IMO possibly be the hardest working QB in the entire NFL!!!!

 

[mphtrilogy]

Not done, not yet, will have a real chance to shine this season, he is still in charge and can control his own destiny. I think he steps up and will have a very solid year. I do think they will mix in the tebow packages and they will co-exist just fine.

 

[houndirish]

Of all the bad things I can say about Mark Sanchez, there is one particular video of him that just sums him up so perfectly to me. Only the military vets will really understand where I'm coming from, but I was watching one of his coaches basically give him a "man up lecture" about how he needed to grow up. How he would always sulk, sigh or shrug his shoulders and seem all sensitive when things were going bad, I believe they were talking about how he behaved around the media. And here's the part that just drove me insane: While they are sitting across from each other at the table and his coach is giving him this speech, Sanchez was looking down into his gym bag and lacing up his cleats the entire time. He'd glance up occasionally, but his cleats were clearly his priority and he would barely even look up.Most people don't see anything wrong with this, but like I said, any military vet or someone who grew up with a disciplinarian in the house knows what I'm talking about. He looked like a little kid looking down and playing with his toy while daddy told him not to touch his tools. The whole time I was hoping this coach would slam a heavy ### playbook on the table or grab that bag and fling it across the room just to get his attention. But uh, no dude he's not winning a Super Bowl. And unless Tebow helps improve Sanchez's ####ty work ethic, he'll most definitely get Rex Ryan fired.

Remember when Eli Manning won his FIRST Superbowl, how like in week 12 they were talking about replacing him and how he was no leader and he always had this dumbfounded Ahhhww shucks look, and how Tiki Barber said it was "comical" to watch him the year before try to be a leader.

The media and some fans might've jumped on that bandwagon but the Accorsi/Reese/Coughlin camp has always firmly supported the guy. Same can't be said of Sanchez at present.

Really? I haven't read anything except firm support for Sanchez as the starting QB from the Woody J/ Tannambaum/Rex camp. Got a link?As far as Sanchez not having an in your face kind of coach.... From everything I have seen and read about Sporano that is exactly the kind of coaching style he brings. Will it help Sanchez cut down on turnovers? I'm not sure but we'll see soon enough

Wouldn't the Tebow signing, and the looking into Peyton Manning be evidence enough that they're not 100% sold on Sanchez? I'm not stating that front office has publicly trashed Sanchez. I think they all recognize they'll have some egg on their face if he doesn't work out but they're not about to publicly suggest he's on a short leash. But if you look at the moves the team has made in the offseason alone I think it speaks volumes.

 

[comfortably numb]

Of all the bad things I can say about Mark Sanchez, there is one particular video of him that just sums him up so perfectly to me. Only the military vets will really understand where I'm coming from, but I was watching one of his coaches basically give him a "man up lecture" about how he needed to grow up. How he would always sulk, sigh or shrug his shoulders and seem all sensitive when things were going bad, I believe they were talking about how he behaved around the media. And here's the part that just drove me insane: While they are sitting across from each other at the table and his coach is giving him this speech, Sanchez was looking down into his gym bag and lacing up his cleats the entire time. He'd glance up occasionally, but his cleats were clearly his priority and he would barely even look up.Most people don't see anything wrong with this, but like I said, any military vet or someone who grew up with a disciplinarian in the house knows what I'm talking about. He looked like a little kid looking down and playing with his toy while daddy told him not to touch his tools. The whole time I was hoping this coach would slam a heavy ### playbook on the table or grab that bag and fling it across the room just to get his attention. But uh, no dude he's not winning a Super Bowl. And unless Tebow helps improve Sanchez's ####ty work ethic, he'll most definitely get Rex Ryan fired.

Remember when Eli Manning won his FIRST Superbowl, how like in week 12 they were talking about replacing him and how he was no leader and he always had this dumbfounded Ahhhww shucks look, and how Tiki Barber said it was "comical" to watch him the year before try to be a leader.

I don't think we're comparing apples to apples here. Tiki Barber was really the only one, besides the media, who was bashing Eli's ability to lead. His defenders have always stated that Eli's aw shucks and seemingly relaxed leadership style worked for Eli. There were times people wished Eli was more vocal and he's probably grown into that, but even watching him after two Super Bowl wins, the guy still has that Gomer Pyle, Golly Gee style about him. Clearly it wasn't a hindrance to his ability to lead. Also, the Giants NEVER talked about replacing Eli. The media and some fans might've jumped on that bandwagon but the Accorsi/Reese/Coughlin camp has always firmly supported the guy. Same can't be said of Sanchez at present. Sanchez doesn't seem to have the same backers in his own locker room. Do I think Sanchez is a better player than the media is portraying him, yes? Do I believe he has a poor work ethic? Yes. Rex Ryan doesn't seem to be a good fit for him from a coaching perspective. Sanchez seems a product of the Jets inmates running the asylum mentality. If Bill Cowher, Coughlin or some of the other in your face type of coaches were running the Jets I'd like Sanchez's chances much better. The guy doesn't suck but he also doesn't appear to have the desire to work his way towards becoming a better player.

After week 15 when the when the 9-4 Giants lost to the Redskins and Eli went 18-53 with 1 TD, the consensus at least publicly was that he was not able to lead the team.Despite a week 16 win @ Buffalo, he was 7/15 111yds 2INT and 5 fumbles.Even weeks before there was talks from Coughlin about yanking Eli in a game.Going into the playoffs with 23TD and 20 INT that year people felt he was holding the team back. Giants had a good running game, great rushers but inconsistent QB play.While I have no idea of the inner workings of the NY Giants office, I have always felt that even with a 1st RD exit in that playoff that Coughlin would be gone. With Coughlin gone, Eli's days would have been numbered the following year, again all my opinion.I am not saying Sanchez=Eli in any way, just pointing out that Eli had A LOT of detractors during his early struggles for NY specifically regarding being able to lead an NFL team. Even going into last year people felt he just caught lightning in a bottle in the 07 season, especially after his 25 INT performance in 2010.

 

[Kiddnets]

As a long time Jet fan I am not concerned at all that Sanchez will be pulled for Tebow unless its an injury or last resort. Tebow was brought in to fill the Brad Smith role...wildcat and jack of all trades. I have seen nothing from the coaches that indicate Sanchez is anything but the firm #1 starter.

However I do think having a legit #2 is god for Sanchez. Brunell was a joke and I think it made Sanchez a bit complacent. Having a better #2 to push him a bit is not a bad thing. Sanchez has not earned the right to not look over his shoulder at all. He regressed last season. If he steps up then Tebow will not be an issue. If he stinks it up again then he has no one to blame but himself.

I think Sanchez has a solid year and Tebow is nothing more than a niche role that does make some big plays along the way.

 

[comfortably numb]

As a long time Jet fan I am not concerned at all that Sanchez will be pulled for Tebow unless its an injury or last resort. Tebow was brought in to fill the Brad Smith role...wildcat and jack of all trades. I have seen nothing from the coaches that indicate Sanchez is anything but the firm #1 starter.

However I do think having a legit #2 is god for Sanchez. Brunell was a joke and I think it made Sanchez a bit complacent. Having a better #2 to push him a bit is not a bad thing. Sanchez has not earned the right to not look over his shoulder at all. He regressed last season. If he steps up then Tebow will not be an issue. If he stinks it up again then he has no one to blame but himself.

I think Sanchez has a solid year and Tebow is nothing more than a niche role that does make some big plays along the way.

This Tebow stuff is OUT OF CONTROL!

 

[Kiddnets]

As a long time Jet fan I am not concerned at all that Sanchez will be pulled for Tebow unless its an injury or last resort. Tebow was brought in to fill the Brad Smith role...wildcat and jack of all trades. I have seen nothing from the coaches that indicate Sanchez is anything but the firm #1 starter.

However I do think having a legit #2 is god for Sanchez. Brunell was a joke and I think it made Sanchez a bit complacent. Having a better #2 to push him a bit is not a bad thing. Sanchez has not earned the right to not look over his shoulder at all. He regressed last season. If he steps up then Tebow will not be an issue. If he stinks it up again then he has no one to blame but himself.

I think Sanchez has a solid year and Tebow is nothing more than a niche role that does make some big plays along the way.

This Tebow stuff is OUT OF CONTROL!

- good catch!

 

[Reaper]

Of all the bad things I can say about Mark Sanchez, there is one particular video of him that just sums him up so perfectly to me. Only the military vets will really understand where I'm coming from, but I was watching one of his coaches basically give him a "man up lecture" about how he needed to grow up. How he would always sulk, sigh or shrug his shoulders and seem all sensitive when things were going bad, I believe they were talking about how he behaved around the media. And here's the part that just drove me insane: While they are sitting across from each other at the table and his coach is giving him this speech, Sanchez was looking down into his gym bag and lacing up his cleats the entire time. He'd glance up occasionally, but his cleats were clearly his priority and he would barely even look up.Most people don't see anything wrong with this, but like I said, any military vet or someone who grew up with a disciplinarian in the house knows what I'm talking about. He looked like a little kid looking down and playing with his toy while daddy told him not to touch his tools. The whole time I was hoping this coach would slam a heavy ### playbook on the table or grab that bag and fling it across the room just to get his attention. But uh, no dude he's not winning a Super Bowl. And unless Tebow helps improve Sanchez's ####ty work ethic, he'll most definitely get Rex Ryan fired.

Remember when Eli Manning won his FIRST Superbowl, how like in week 12 they were talking about replacing him and how he was no leader and he always had this dumbfounded Ahhhww shucks look, and how Tiki Barber said it was "comical" to watch him the year before try to be a leader.

I don't think we're comparing apples to apples here. Tiki Barber was really the only one, besides the media, who was bashing Eli's ability to lead. His defenders have always stated that Eli's aw shucks and seemingly relaxed leadership style worked for Eli. There were times people wished Eli was more vocal and he's probably grown into that, but even watching him after two Super Bowl wins, the guy still has that Gomer Pyle, Golly Gee style about him. Clearly it wasn't a hindrance to his ability to lead. Also, the Giants NEVER talked about replacing Eli. The media and some fans might've jumped on that bandwagon but the Accorsi/Reese/Coughlin camp has always firmly supported the guy. Same can't be said of Sanchez at present. Sanchez doesn't seem to have the same backers in his own locker room. Do I think Sanchez is a better player than the media is portraying him, yes? Do I believe he has a poor work ethic? Yes. Rex Ryan doesn't seem to be a good fit for him from a coaching perspective. Sanchez seems a product of the Jets inmates running the asylum mentality. If Bill Cowher, Coughlin or some of the other in your face type of coaches were running the Jets I'd like Sanchez's chances much better. The guy doesn't suck but he also doesn't appear to have the desire to work his way towards becoming a better player.

After week 15 when the when the 9-4 Giants lost to the Redskins and Eli went 18-53 with 1 TD, the consensus at least publicly was that he was not able to lead the team.Despite a week 16 win @ Buffalo, he was 7/15 111yds 2INT and 5 fumbles.Even weeks before there was talks from Coughlin about yanking Eli in a game.Going into the playoffs with 23TD and 20 INT that year people felt he was holding the team back. Giants had a good running game, great rushers but inconsistent QB play.While I have no idea of the inner workings of the NY Giants office, I have always felt that even with a 1st RD exit in that playoff that Coughlin would be gone. With Coughlin gone, Eli's days would have been numbered the following year, again all my opinion.I am not saying Sanchez=Eli in any way, just pointing out that Eli had A LOT of detractors during his early struggles for NY specifically regarding being able to lead an NFL team. Even going into last year people felt he just caught lightning in a bottle in the 07 season, especially after his 25 INT performance in 2010.

Oh man, There was a Vikings game that year when Eli threw like 5 INTS and I was in a NYC bar filled with Giants fans literally banging their heads against the wall and going for smoke breaks outside SCREAMING!!!!EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM WAS DONE WITH ELI AND COUGHLIN..... EVERY ONE!If we could bottle the Sports Airwaves from that week and play it back it would make the Anti-Sanchez crowd barely audible....I had to talk my Giant fan friends off the ledge - Personally I always liked Eli and I'm pretty sure I could dig up posts here showing that - I told giant Fans I'd take Coughlin and Eli any day..... No mistkaes about it though Giant Nation was out of their minds with absolute DIGUST for Eli and was ready to move on.THIS is Sanchez' 4th year just like that Eli year.....

 

[Matt Bitonti]

Trent Dilfer (a former top 5 pick and SB Champion) said the following about Sanchez:

If Stafford, Freeman and Sanchez rented a car, they would flip the keys to Sanchez. He's the alpha male among alphas, and that includes Tebow. Having Tebow around will put the pressure on him and that makes him play better. See Playoffs, 2010.

 

[Reaper]

Brunell was a joke and I think it made Sanchez a bit complacent. Having a better #2 to push him a bit is not a bad thing. Sanchez has not earned the right to not look over his shoulder at all. He regressed last season. If he steps up then Tebow will not be an issue. If he stinks it up again then he has no one to blame but himself.

See, I don't think Sanchez has been complacent a day in his life...And I think the Backup QB pushing him thing is BS.... Being a Failed NFL QB and in NY when you worked your whole life for it pushes Sanchez more than any backup QB in the world can...Sanchez actually improved most numbers - Where he took a step back is He lost HIS #1 WR and deep threat and teams just blanketed Holmes, then the OL fell apart giving him no time and sprinkle in a little Schottenheimer Stupidity and confusion....All Said, I can hardly blame Sanchez for last year when the entire team took a step back including the Defense, Run Game, WR's, OL, S, DL, LB's, Coaching - On and on.

 

[Reaper]

As a long time Jet fan I am not concerned at all that Sanchez will be pulled for Tebow unless its an injury or last resort. Tebow was brought in to fill the Brad Smith role...wildcat and jack of all trades. I have seen nothing from the coaches that indicate Sanchez is anything but the firm #1 starter.

However I do think having a legit #2 is god for Sanchez. Brunell was a joke and I think it made Sanchez a bit complacent. Having a better #2 to push him a bit is not a bad thing. Sanchez has not earned the right to not look over his shoulder at all. He regressed last season. If he steps up then Tebow will not be an issue. If he stinks it up again then he has no one to blame but himself.

I think Sanchez has a solid year and Tebow is nothing more than a niche role that does make some big plays along the way.

This Tebow stuff is OUT OF CONTROL!

- good catch!

I read right over that and thought you meant it..

 

[comfortably numb]

Of all the bad things I can say about Mark Sanchez, there is one particular video of him that just sums him up so perfectly to me. Only the military vets will really understand where I'm coming from, but I was watching one of his coaches basically give him a "man up lecture" about how he needed to grow up. How he would always sulk, sigh or shrug his shoulders and seem all sensitive when things were going bad, I believe they were talking about how he behaved around the media. And here's the part that just drove me insane: While they are sitting across from each other at the table and his coach is giving him this speech, Sanchez was looking down into his gym bag and lacing up his cleats the entire time. He'd glance up occasionally, but his cleats were clearly his priority and he would barely even look up.Most people don't see anything wrong with this, but like I said, any military vet or someone who grew up with a disciplinarian in the house knows what I'm talking about. He looked like a little kid looking down and playing with his toy while daddy told him not to touch his tools. The whole time I was hoping this coach would slam a heavy ### playbook on the table or grab that bag and fling it across the room just to get his attention. But uh, no dude he's not winning a Super Bowl. And unless Tebow helps improve Sanchez's ####ty work ethic, he'll most definitely get Rex Ryan fired.

Remember when Eli Manning won his FIRST Superbowl, how like in week 12 they were talking about replacing him and how he was no leader and he always had this dumbfounded Ahhhww shucks look, and how Tiki Barber said it was "comical" to watch him the year before try to be a leader.

I don't think we're comparing apples to apples here. Tiki Barber was really the only one, besides the media, who was bashing Eli's ability to lead. His defenders have always stated that Eli's aw shucks and seemingly relaxed leadership style worked for Eli. There were times people wished Eli was more vocal and he's probably grown into that, but even watching him after two Super Bowl wins, the guy still has that Gomer Pyle, Golly Gee style about him. Clearly it wasn't a hindrance to his ability to lead. Also, the Giants NEVER talked about replacing Eli. The media and some fans might've jumped on that bandwagon but the Accorsi/Reese/Coughlin camp has always firmly supported the guy. Same can't be said of Sanchez at present. Sanchez doesn't seem to have the same backers in his own locker room. Do I think Sanchez is a better player than the media is portraying him, yes? Do I believe he has a poor work ethic? Yes. Rex Ryan doesn't seem to be a good fit for him from a coaching perspective. Sanchez seems a product of the Jets inmates running the asylum mentality. If Bill Cowher, Coughlin or some of the other in your face type of coaches were running the Jets I'd like Sanchez's chances much better. The guy doesn't suck but he also doesn't appear to have the desire to work his way towards becoming a better player.

After week 15 when the when the 9-4 Giants lost to the Redskins and Eli went 18-53 with 1 TD, the consensus at least publicly was that he was not able to lead the team.Despite a week 16 win @ Buffalo, he was 7/15 111yds 2INT and 5 fumbles.Even weeks before there was talks from Coughlin about yanking Eli in a game.Going into the playoffs with 23TD and 20 INT that year people felt he was holding the team back. Giants had a good running game, great rushers but inconsistent QB play.While I have no idea of the inner workings of the NY Giants office, I have always felt that even with a 1st RD exit in that playoff that Coughlin would be gone. With Coughlin gone, Eli's days would have been numbered the following year, again all my opinion.I am not saying Sanchez=Eli in any way, just pointing out that Eli had A LOT of detractors during his early struggles for NY specifically regarding being able to lead an NFL team. Even going into last year people felt he just caught lightning in a bottle in the 07 season, especially after his 25 INT performance in 2010.

Oh man, There was a Vikings game that year when Eli threw like 5 INTS and I was in a NYC bar filled with Giants fans literally banging their heads against the wall and going for smoke breaks outside SCREAMING!!!!EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM WAS DONE WITH ELI AND COUGHLIN..... EVERY ONE!If we could bottle the Sports Airwaves from that week and play it back it would make the Anti-Sanchez crowd barely audible....I had to talk my Giant fan friends off the ledge - Personally I always liked Eli and I'm pretty sure I could dig up posts here showing that - I told giant Fans I'd take Coughlin and Eli any day..... No mistkaes about it though Giant Nation was out of their minds with absolute DIGUST for Eli and was ready to move on.THIS is Sanchez' 4th year just like that Eli year.....

LOL, i remember 1 caller after the Washington loss on the radio saying Jared Lorenz has a great arm and they should see what he has to offer. The radio host did dismiss it quickly, but had the Giants had any sort of DECENT backup, the move would have came in that season imo.

 

[Bitter Hate]

For the most part - I'm done trying to Prop up a player who I never ever wanted my team to draft but, IMO takes way too much heat..But, where the hell does this bad work ethic thing come from... To me, that's THE ONE THING I have zero worries about. Guy is a coaches son that eats and breathes football, first in, last out at the complex and sets up his own offseason camps.... The only thing I can say about Sanchez with 100% certainty is that he works his ### off.....People take a GQ photo shoot done before he was even drafted and point to that - Or what 1 Anonymous source may or may not have said..... Just weird to me how anyone can point to this kid and say he didn't work hard enough.This is a kid who was trained by some of the best QB coaches around since 8th grade diligently.... Guy had trainers on his ### 24/7 since middle school and is groomed as a football machine.If anything this kid OVER-WORKS... But, you get the NY media to catch him out one night and pull out some GQ photos from 4 years ago and BAM this kid needs to work harder????Weird to me.One thing I might be able to point to is that some "annonymous Source" was quoted as questioning his work ethic - What I figure is, you have to be pretty stupid to begin with to annonymously question a teammate - I think whoever this dope was used a phrase he himself didn't grasp and probably just meant to say Mark didn't grow as fast as he expected in 3 years, This guy has to be misquoted because, the real leaders on this team like Nick Mangold would laugh you out of the room if you believe Mark wasn't a Gym rat workout warrior like he's been sinc his disciplinarion childhood.....All good from my stand point, because i know any and every whacky story about his negative work ethic means the guy is going to work even harder and IMO possibly be the hardest working QB in the entire NFL!!!!

I really like your points, and as a Jets fan myself, I feel how you do. I do think he takes a lot of heat; but heat for the wrong reasons, not the right ones. I do think he works hard, but I don't think he endears himself to his team. Maybe some say that is their problem, but as the QB, it is his problem, whether right or wrong. He made some effort over the summer, but it also got the the point of mutiny before he did anything. I also think he fails at the point of a broken down play...he plays "Jr. Gunslinger", and he is not good enough to wield a Glock, let alone a Red Rider BB gun. It is like watching Richard Todd all over again; yet Todd had the sense to take the sack...Sanchez literally tries to wing the ball when he has four guys on him and he is going down. He actually has the ability to negate 30 solid plays with one awfully bad one.I don't think he is "done", but I also think the Jets were irresponsible for not having a better backup over the past couple years...now they have one, and Sanchez needs to use his head or he will be wearing a "Tebow-mania" t-shirt on the bench.

 

[Ghost Rider]

The end of that first half against the Patriots on Sunday night last season told me everything I needed to know about Sanchez. Him calling that timeout prematurely, instead of waiting for the clock to run down before doing so, therefore giving NE more time to score when they got the ball back (and they scored a TD with like 10 seconds to go in the half or something) was just moronic. That is one of those things a smart QB has to know to do and shouldn't have to be told by the coaches. The fact that Sanchez still had no clue how to handle that game situation just showed that he doesn't have the brain to ever be a consistently very good/great NFL QB.

 

[cstu]

He has the talent. He needs to respond this year. I think he does. That's the thing about the NFL. Just when you leave a guy for dead, he arrives.

Talent was never a question for Sanchez, but like many QB's who have been stars their entire lives he has had things handed to him pretty easily. Bringing in Tebow was a genius move by the Jets - either the competition will light a fire under him like Rivers did for Brees or it won't. If fighting for his job isn't enough to motivate him nothing will.

 

[cstu]

The end of that first half against the Patriots on Sunday night last season told me everything I needed to know about Sanchez. Him calling that timeout prematurely, instead of waiting for the clock to run down before doing so, therefore giving NE more time to score when they got the ball back (and they scored a TD with like 10 seconds to go in the half or something) was just moronic. That is one of those things a smart QB has to know to do and shouldn't have to be told by the coaches. The fact that Sanchez still had no clue how to handle that game situation just showed that he doesn't have the brain to ever be a consistently very good/great NFL QB.

Things like that I attribute to a lack of dedication to the game rather intelligence. It doesn't take a genius to figure that out but the guy has to have the desire to be a great QB. So far it appears that he's been focused on too many things other than football, something that goes back all the way to his freshman year at USC where he was accused of raping a girl after drinking at a bar using a fake ID.

 

[BaBastage]

- god catch!

Fixed that for ya!

 

[az_prof]

Of all the bad things I can say about Mark Sanchez, there is one particular video of him that just sums him up so perfectly to me. Only the military vets will really understand where I'm coming from, but I was watching one of his coaches basically give him a "man up lecture" about how he needed to grow up. How he would always sulk, sigh or shrug his shoulders and seem all sensitive when things were going bad, I believe they were talking about how he behaved around the media. And here's the part that just drove me insane: While they are sitting across from each other at the table and his coach is giving him this speech, Sanchez was looking down into his gym bag and lacing up his cleats the entire time. He'd glance up occasionally, but his cleats were clearly his priority and he would barely even look up.Most people don't see anything wrong with this, but like I said, any military vet or someone who grew up with a disciplinarian in the house knows what I'm talking about. He looked like a little kid looking down and playing with his toy while daddy told him not to touch his tools. The whole time I was hoping this coach would slam a heavy ### playbook on the table or grab that bag and fling it across the room just to get his attention. But uh, no dude he's not winning a Super Bowl. And unless Tebow helps improve Sanchez's ####ty work ethic, he'll most definitely get Rex Ryan fired.

I am not a military guy but I COMPLETELY agree with this. It's called professionalism. It's called leadership. You take responsibility. You show respect. You get results. When you don't, you listen damn carefully to YOUR leader (in this case the coach) to hear what he is saying. You don't ignore him or act like you are above listening to him.

 

[az_prof]

Trent Dilfer (a former top 5 pick and SB Champion) said the following about Sanchez: If Stafford, Freeman and Sanchez rented a car, they would flip the keys to Sanchez. He's the alpha male among alphas, and that includes Tebow. Having Tebow around will put the pressure on him and that makes him play better. See Playoffs, 2010.

Alph Males are not necessarily the best leaders. See George W. Bush.I think a leader is accountable and takes responsibility for failures. They set high standards for themself. They lead by example. They listen as well as they speak. They project confidence and competence. Just being arrogant and brash and bold is not a leader.

 

[massraider]

He has the talent.

I don't think he does. I think he has below average accuracy, and I think that is the kiss of death for QBs.

 

[Matt Bitonti]

I think a leader is accountable and takes responsibility for failures. They set high standards for themself. They lead by example. They listen as well as they speak. They project confidence and competence. Just being arrogant and brash and bold is not a leader.

ya know what there's alot of truth in that statement and certainly Tebow does a better job at some of these qualities than sanchez. But the original poster asked "is Sanchez already done?" and the answer is not even close. the media will try to make this a contest but it's not. the only way Sanchez loses this job in the preseason is due to injury. Is there a scenario where the Jets implode and turn to Tebow? yes. But it's not going to be week 1.there's also a scenario where having a more straight forward offense from Sparano and the Stephen Hill draft pick make Sanchez have his best year ever. Let's be honest if the Jets were serious about having Tim Tebow save the day, they wouldn't have him playing on the Punt team.

 

[sspunisher]

I'll openly admit that Sanchez now reminds me so much of Eli during his bad years. But good leader or not, Eli's saving grace was his work ethic and maturity, and you can thank his pedigree for that. I bet if Coughlin was chewing him out, Eli would be looking right at him the whole time, nodding his head and saying "Yes, Coach."

In fairness to Sanchez, he's a kid and some people need an aligning of the stars for everything to click. If Tebow doesn't light a fire under Sanchez, and if Sporano can't get him to man up, I see very bad things happening in New York. I don't know Tannenbaum very well, but he strikes me as the kind of guy to blindly back his QB (as evidenced by that horrible contract extension). If that's the case, people will start to take sides and Sanchez will get a lot of people fired before Tannenbaum finally realizes it's his QB that's the problem.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

(Rotoworld) According to ESPN New York, Mark Sanchez largely struggled during the Jets' final minicamp before training camp. Analysis: Per beat writer Rich Cimini, Sanchez "didn't have an efficient minicamp" and "there were times when he didn't seem comfortable throwing the football." Cimini kept a play log of the minicamp, and Sanchez finished 11-of-29 with three "near" interceptions and four would-be sacks absorbed. Sanchez isn't yet in danger of losing his starting job, but it could happen early in the season.

 

[Run It Up]

What makes this year any different from the last two?

He just doesnt have it. He isnt an NFL caliber quarterback.

Couldnt be happier that this season is gonna be a colossal joke. I dont think anyone is gonna survive, Tebow, Rexy, Sanchez, Greene.

 

[az_prof]

I am skeptical of Sanchez, and I do think Tebow poses a real challenge, but I do agree with those who say that it was way too early to be digging his grave and saying he is done. He still has a chance. Contrary to the post that says he hasn't done well in OTAs, I have heard him praised by the media and coaches this preseason. It is too early to say what will happen.

Consider this story on Sanchez to balance the one above: http://sportsradiointerviews.com/2012/06/12/nfl-new-york-jets-rex-ryan-defends-tebow-pickup/

 

[Eminence]

Is the Jets defense good enough to put Tebow in a position to pull his 4th Quarter heroics?

Him starting would be disasterous, Sanchez will be fine.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Is the Jets defense good enough to put Tebow in a position to pull his 4th Quarter heroics?Him starting would be disasterous, Sanchez will be fine.

I think they'll be fine. Denver's defense was 24th in the NFL last year. The Jets D hasn't ranked that poorly since 1996.

 

[Clifford]

He has the talent. He needs to respond this year. I think he does. That's the thing about the NFL. Just when you leave a guy for dead, he arrives.

He doesn't have the talent. Look at stafford. He has it. Difference is unmistakable. This is sanchez's last season as a starter.

 

[Clifford]

I'll openly admit that Sanchez now reminds me so much of Eli during his bad years. But good leader or not, Eli's saving grace was his work ethic and maturity, and you can thank his pedigree for that. I bet if Coughlin was chewing him out, Eli would be looking right at him the whole time, nodding his head and saying "Yes, Coach." In fairness to Sanchez, he's a kid and some people need an aligning of the stars for everything to click. If Tebow doesn't light a fire under Sanchez, and if Sporano can't get him to man up, I see very bad things happening in New York. I don't know Tannenbaum very well, but he strikes me as the kind of guy to blindly back his QB (as evidenced by that horrible contract extension). If that's the case, people will start to take sides and Sanchez will get a lot of people fired before Tannenbaum finally realizes it's his QB that's the problem.

Eli was 10 billion times better than Sanchez in college.

 

[Sabertooth]

He has the talent. He needs to respond this year. I think he does. That's the thing about the NFL. Just when you leave a guy for dead, he arrives.

He doesn't have the talent. Look at stafford. He has it. Difference is unmistakable. This is sanchez's last season as a starter.

How much talent does it take to throw to the best giant wideout of all time? Until last season, Stafford just threw it to Calvin any time he had any adversity. He diversified some last season, but Calvin makes him look better than he is.

 

[Clifford]

If you can't see the difference u should find a new hobby

 

[Run It Up]

If you can't see the difference u should find a new hobby

All I see is he hasnt made any improvements and has actually regressed in other areas. Constantly hear about locker room troubles. His own team doesnt respect him. Rexy is still holding his hand at every turn. The organization brought in a competing QB just as a ploy for attention, but will still likely get play time.Getting carried to the playoffs doesnt make you a passable QB.

 

[Clifford]

Quality backup. No more no less.

 

[Borden]

I think the problem with Sanchez is that everyone forgets that he was a back to Leinart and Booty. He only really played one season in college and that was because Booty got hurt. So, he backed up Leinart who is bouncing around the league and Booty who I don't even think is in the league anymore. Yet everyone seems to think Sanchez is supposed to he a starting NFL QB just because the Jets were silly enough to draft him in the first round.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

According to ESPN New York, Mark Sanchez largely struggled during the Jets' final minicamp before training camp.

Per beat writer Rich Cimini, Sanchez "didn't have an efficient minicamp" and "there were times when he didn't seem comfortable throwing the football." Cimini kept a play log of the minicamp, and Sanchez finished 11-of-29 with three "near" interceptions and four would-be sacks absorbed

 

[massraider]

He has the talent. He needs to respond this year. I think he does. That's the thing about the NFL. Just when you leave a guy for dead, he arrives.

He doesn't have the talent. Look at stafford. He has it. Difference is unmistakable. This is sanchez's last season as a starter.

How much talent does it take to throw to the best giant wideout of all time? Until last season, Stafford just threw it to Calvin any time he had any adversity. He diversified some last season, but Calvin makes him look better than he is.

Oh man. Are you kidding?Hey, Calvin may make him look better (he would for any QB), but come on. It is obvious that Stafford is a player. Obvious.

 

[Sabertooth]

He has the talent. He needs to respond this year. I think he does. That's the thing about the NFL. Just when you leave a guy for dead, he arrives.

He doesn't have the talent. Look at stafford. He has it. Difference is unmistakable. This is sanchez's last season as a starter.

How much talent does it take to throw to the best giant wideout of all time? Until last season, Stafford just threw it to Calvin any time he had any adversity. He diversified some last season, but Calvin makes him look better than he is.

Oh man. Are you kidding?Hey, Calvin may make him look better (he would for any QB), but come on. It is obvious that Stafford is a player. Obvious.

I'm not even saying Sanchez is as good as Stafford. Sorry if it came off that way. But neither is "done already." He isn't going to be out of the league. He's better than most backups and some starters - Gabbert and McCoy come to mind. He's in a middle somewhere. He threw more touchdowns than Ben and Vick last season. Finished in the Top 10 in my dynasty league for QB scoring. Is he done? No. Is he or will he ever be as good as Stafford is right now? No. He's somewhere in between.