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The same was true with the Jets. He was never told he was going to be given the opportunity to compete for the starting job - on the contrary, he was slotted as a backup QB from day 1 (not to mention that the Jets had just given Sanchez a contract extension two weeks prior to the trade).'Wadsworth said:
The difference at the end of the season was that the Broncos had such a lead in their division that the play calling had less called runs for Tebow (saving him for the playoffs) and more drop back pass plays. He still wasnt accurate at that point, so the Broncos lost with the slimmed down play book. But the reason was to keep Tebow healthy for the Playoffs.'Buffaloes said:
lol. that's some revisionist history right there.Maybe you forgot - Denver was in grave danger of missing the playoffs. They only made it in because the Chargers and Raiders also spit the bit. Had SD beaten the Lions week 16, they would have won the division. Had oakland beaten SD week 17 or the lions in week 15 (lost in OT), they would have won the division. Had KC beaten the raiders in week 16, they would have been 8-8 - not sure how the tie-breaker would have worked out for them, but they had a shot too.Broncos in 2011 were in a 4 team race for the AFC title up until the very last game. There was no insurmountable lead which would have caused the coaches to change things up.
Tebow averaged about 1 rush per game fewer over the last 3 regular season games of 2011 than he did over his previous starts that year.
The Broncos lost the last three games and STILL won the division. In week 14, the Broncos had essentially all but wrapped the division up. Admittedly, they tried very hard to screw that up, but to portray it as a 4 team race is more revisionist than what I said. During the season, maybe a race. But not by week 14 after the seven game winning streak.And yes, had any of the other teams won more games, they could have won the division. But they didn't.
they most certainly did not have the division wrapped up. After week 14, Broncos were 8-5. raiders were a single game back at 7-6, including a split vs Denver, so that tie-breaker was out. SD was 2 games back with three to play, also splitting vs Denver. Remember - this is a SD team with a history of strong finishes - finished 5-2 after the bye in 2010 and closed out 2009 with a 10 game win streak.Broncos won the 2011 division by default, and by a fortunate tie-breaker (win percentage in common games). i had an idea at the time that was going to happen just by looking at the schedule, but they entered week 17 with a must-win game, that they lost. Broncos were very fortunate that oakland also lost.
no, that's not it. More likely winning on a backup LB jarring the ball loose on an onside kick (Miami), winning after a RB gifts Denver with a free time out and then successive 50+ yard FGs (chicago), winning after Von Miller knocks a kicker out of FG range (SD), winning a game in which the team completes TWO passes (KC) was unsustainable. The division was far from in hand the entire season. Denver made the playoffs only after they lost to a Kyle Orton-led KC team (final score: 7-3) and made the playoffs only after SD beat Oakland on the last day of the regular season.
Of course everybody wants to win. But that's not the issue. The issue is whether people are willing to do what it takes to win. I have no idea if Tebow's been given a fair shot. No one here does. But to claim he has been given a fair shot because "everyone wants to win" is ridiculous. The truth of the matter is that everyone's number one goal is to keep their job. Their number two goal is to not do anything that would jeopardize their long term career in the NFL. As most people understand, putting your career in Tebow's hands takes some guts for two reasons: (1) he's not a prototypical NFL QB and (2) he's so polarizing.
How has it worked out for everyone who has done it so far?
Well put...there are certainly shades of gray in what it takes to keep your job (i.e. if you do win, you tend to keep your job), but as you stated later, he is polarizing. The Jets excuse to see what McElroy can do was kind of silly. They already have him under contract (and cheap) and likely no matter what they planned on doing, he was already the safest QB on the roster due to his salary and experience. At that point in the season, it was already a disaster, and they may as well have put Tebow in. While they were covering themselves (in their minds) but mot playing him and exposing themselves to criticism for a bad trade if he crapped the bed, they also left the fanbase wondering and bothered by the fact that they never got to see him. I am a Jets fan, and am pretty neutral about Tebow, but the thing that pissed me off about the season was that he did not get a chance to play when all was already lost. My only thinking as to why they may have done this was to maintain any sort of trade value by not exposing him; problem is, everyone already has an opinion on him, and by not playing him, they solidified that opinion around the league. The only thing I can equate it to is by being down by 4 with time expiring and not throwing a hail mary because you are scared it will get intercepted...you lost anyway.
Everyone? I'd say at this point there's only one who might qualify--Josh McDaniels for drafting him in the first round. But I don't think Tebow was the reason he failed as a HC. McDaniels was clearly over his head. John Fox? He inherited Tebow and it's not like Brady Quinn was a better option. Anyone at the Jets? They had their starter, they essentially gave up a fourth round pick for him and they said he'd be a wildcat QB.
Tebow was a first round pick that has been in the league three seasons. So far both guys who hired him lost their jobs. He is likely going to be playing for his third team in only his fourth season. Would you really want to be the guy that hires him next? Dude is a bad QB with a motivated and vocal fan base that cares more about Tebow than whatever team he plays for winning games. He is a hot mess. There is no big conspiracy, just a whole lot of common sense.
I would say it worked out pretty well for Fox/McCoy.
And even when Flutie led the Bills to the playoffs in 1999 he didn't even start! Kurt Warner was also not given a shot to start in ARZ until his third year on the team. He's too old. It was always Leinart's team - the organization was committed to him. Square peg, round hole.You've been around here long enough to know talking sense "don't go around here".
In a speech to his teammates on Saturday night, the Baltimore Ravens’ emotional leader and most polarizing figure, told his teammates that God had showed him in a vision that they would be champions. (Link)"It’s simple: When God is for you, who can be against you?" Lewis said, clutching the Lombardi Trophy. (Link)
Tebow looks real and it scares people. I haven't ever heard Tebow talk about God being on his side in a football game. So, there isn't anybody on the other team that God is for? Here, Lewis looks like an over the top loon, so to speak. A vision? About a football game? Really? Again, I'm not saying it didn't happen but it just looks a little over the top. Tebow just goes on mission trips and represents Christianity. He doesn't really "get up on the soapbox", he just answers questions given by the media trying to trip him up.
Not much different than what Kurt Warner said after some big wins. But unlike Tebow, Warner was given a pass because he is black...oh wait...
Just a little light-hearted 
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I didn't read all six pages of this thread, but I want to chime in here after seeing all the attention this is getting. All I keep hearing is about how teams are worried of Tebow's fan base, but the "teams are scared of the Tebow circus" has now become a bigger circus than the Tebow circus. I'm seeing vastly more stories, columnist, and talking heads saying they wouldn't even want him near their teams because of whatever supposedly distraction he'd bring. Seems to me the fanatics are more anti-Tebow than anything. Let me state this as well: I do not share Tebow's faith in the slightest. I do, however, think people have become far too fearing of faith for some reason or another. Perhaps it's the fact that we as a society are becoming so PC about everything, or maybe just the sheer fact that we've advanced so far with science and technology (which is great by me!) So the guy does motivation speaking outside of football. What's the problem? I'm pretty sure Tebow is speaking to people who agree with him. It's not like the guy standing in the middle of Time-Square talking about how all of the sinners shall burn in hell.
You could make the case that Tebow is the reason the Broncos have Manning right now. Imagine of Fox stuck it out with the Orton or put Quinn in there instead of Tebow. Does anyone here really think the Broncos go on to beat Pittsburgh in the playoffs, much less even make the playoffs? Now, I've always believed that football is a team sport and it takes more than just one player, even a quarterback, to make a team. But Tebow helped that team gain national attention as the wins racked up, and with coverage also came the attention to the Broncos' defense and wide receivers. All of a sudden the 8-8 Broncos look pretty appealing to Manning, certainly much more than a 4-12 or so Broncos team would had Fox and Elway stayed the course.
http://icumobile.org/site/news/why-tim-tebow-makes-us-uncomfortable/ i think you might get a little something out of this article, you might disagree with it but I think it raises a bunch of fair points.
He would still be a tight end who cant catch playing as a quarterback who can't throw.Kids not smart or willing to bend a knee for anyone but god, this can be clearly seen by his complete inability to improve whatsoever despite being given more of an opportunity than he deserves.
more of an opportunity than he deserves? He was given one season to start and he did wonders, even won a playoff game. I guess its super bowl MVP first year starting or bust?
This. I'd like to see him get another shot -- I think he deserves that much. Certainly Jacksonville ought to consider it imo or any other team with a black hole at QB. However, his Denver success was really lightning in a bottle imo. I don't think he has what it takes to be a consistent successful QB. However, I do think he should get another chance and that the "circus" shouldn't prevent that.
You say that as if the coaching staffs mantra wasn't that he needed to be smarter, more open and improve his technique, three things he couldn't do in two seasons in the NFL.He got to play at the NFL level as a publicity stunt, and in 8 games he didn't improve at all, at times he even regressed.A lot of Tebow honks act like people just hate on Tebow because hes Tebow, when in reality its because he isn't very good and is being given opportunities because his appeal to a specific group of fans, opportunities with which he does NOTHING with them.How do you see somebody get drafted early, criticized that he can't throw by his own coach, work only on his throwing ability in camp and practice and then when given a shot anyone would kill for, see that he hasn't improved at all - and think that its somehow a positive experience?mr roboto said:
Who gives a ####. He sucks. Since when does working hard, being a coaches dream and doing what you are told, get you an NFL roster spot? It's about talent to compete in the NFL and right now all 32 clubs have finally figured out that he is a waste of time as an NFL QB.mr roboto said:
You're just dumb. Basically because you think if a player was really good, teams would pass on him because of the circus... also because you think I was saying he was as good as Brady and Manning. AND because you've always been a moron who thinks you're better than everyone. Just sayin'.
I was replying to a specific critique above this. Try to keep up.
This implies he is at least partly responsible, which I haven't seen any reason to believe that to be the case.
Who is crying?
two things to remember, he sucked at practice according to the jets, a joke of a franchise, and what made Tebow great was being clutch, so obviously he would play better in real games than practice.
