Is trading many for few (1 Viewer)

[BoneYardDog]

This is not a "how do you think I did in this trade" post, I am trying to decide if in certain circumstances a seemingly one-sided trade can help your team?

In one of my leagues I have put myself in the position of most likely having to drop a half dozen players after the rookie draft to keep my roster legal...

Instead of dropping players off my roster I decide to make a very one sided trade (one sided in terms of numbers) to help my team in two positions that were my weakest...

Of the 7 players traded, 2 would have been cut outright, 2 were possible bye week starters and the other 3 would sit on my bench for the rest of the season unless a starter was injured. The players I picked up are every week absolute IDP starters...

While I may have given up too much value/depth, when I look at my roster I still feel good with the transaction. This is usually a good sign for me...

You have to offer value to get anything of value and doing it this way I received players that I targeted, hopefully without hurting my team in other places...

Can you overpay and still come out ahead???

Was this a shark move or am I just another faceless guppy

 

[lloyd christmas]

Can you overpay and still come out ahead???

I think usually, the many for few trades benefit the owners getting the few, but this sounds different. I think you are right to evaluate your team based on what you would be forced to drop, so if your team is better now than if you had done nothing, then There are some questions raised by this though. First, if you clearly traded away more than you were getting back, would you have been able to find a better deal with another owner? Could future draft picks have been thrown in to equalize it? And at what point do you just drop the players because you keep getting lowballed? I usually trade players for picks before our cut-down date, its good to get something for nothing.

 

[The Carnage]

While I may have given up too much value/depth, when I look at my roster I still feel good with the transaction. This is usually a good sign for me...

This is an excellent indicator. If two of the guys you traded were getting cut anyway, you're down to 5 guys for whatever you received (you mention IDP playerS, so you got more that one, right?) If it improves your team... you done good, Ollie.

 

[Steel Mike Tomczak]

It depends on who the "many" and who the" few" are...Talent, Cap and Experience are all factors in determining value. If the many are draft picks and the few are seasoned players, it may be better or worse for a team to do so. For example a rebuilding team like say, AZ or Cleveland (always rebuilding ) has more to gain from a draft than a team like say, the Colts or Steelers. Cap plays into this as well.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

This is not a "how do you think I did in this trade" post, I am trying to decide if in certain circumstances a seemingly one-sided trade can help your team?In one of my leagues I have put myself in the position of most likely having to drop a half dozen players after the rookie draft to keep my roster legal...Instead of dropping players off my roster I decide to make a very one sided trade (one sided in terms of numbers) to help my team in two positions that were my weakest...Of the 7 players traded, 2 would have been cut outright, 2 were possible bye week starters and the other 3 would sit on my bench for the rest of the season unless a starter was injured. The players I picked up are every week absolute IDP starters...While I may have given up too much value/depth, when I look at my roster I still feel good with the transaction. This is usually a good sign for me...You have to offer value to get anything of value and doing it this way I received players that I targeted, hopefully without hurting my team in other places... Can you overpay and still come out ahead???Was this a shark move or am I just another faceless guppy

I make one-sided trades in favor of the other owner every year. The reason is because, like you, I had evaluated my roster for how it would look AFTER the rookie draft and realized I would end up having to make some extremely difficult cuts so I made pre-emptive trades that gave me leeway with future roster moves. I constructed my trades where I pushed the retun on my trades into future first round rookie draft picks. I've held the top pick in the last three rookie drafts. The influx of top notch rookie talent has allowed me to selectively trade away older players on my roster which sets me up even better for the long term. Now I can draft BPA instead of for need with the excess first round rookie picks that I have acquired. This makes for an unbalanced pool of developmental prospects on my roster, I'm a RB whore so I am RB heavy. The good thing is that RBs are like cash in a dynasty league so if I ever need to trade anyone in my RB stable for a desperate need at another position I can find a que ready to deal with me. Also making one-sided deals in favor of other owners helps to build good will in the league so teams are more eager to deal wtih you. So to answer your question, YES!Yes you can overpay and still come out ahead. Its even wiser to pick and choose your spots to overpay and to selectively target who you will trade with so that making a one-sided trade with a weaker team won't create a monster in your league and if you make a trade for future first round rookie draft picks you may end up coming out ahead in the long term on what appears a clear-cut one-sided trade today.

 

[Chadstroma]

I have a Dynasty IDP league that is for the most part extremely deep in players at every position. After the rookie draft, in which I have stockpiled a couple of early round picks, I will need to cut some guys that could make rosters of other teams. I was in this similiar position last year as well. Last year, worked hard to trade some guys that I would be cutting anyways. I eventually had to package them with a guy I was not looking to cut but at the same time the deal brought in upgrades at other positions for me.

If you are going to cut someone but you can trade them away for someone that can help your team- you win. Hands down. Finding a partner who is willing to give up a good player to add depth to their team is hard to find until injuries start taking out players. A lot of owners are willing to roll the dice on a team that is one injury away from sucking wind- then that injury comes and they scramble for a deal and usually get much less value. I think that is a mistake. I have been playing fantasy leagues long enough to know that either you get lucky or depth wins out (at least in deep leagues with large starting lineups- that is the rule).

 

[GrandpaRox]

I think it is more important to make these decisions based on roster requirements than value which differs between owners anyway.

If you are to a point where you know you will have to make roster cuts and can take yourself out of that situation and better your team at the same time, it seems like a valid step to take.

From your statements It seems like the players you traded away were not going to make an impact to your team anyway, so this looks like a win for you.

One other thing to consider is how much you may have helped the other team, if the other team is one or two players away from a potential championship and you helped him fill those positions then you may have helped your team but also made it more difficult to put yourself in a position to win it all.

I would personally think it would hurt more than help because you are giving away more chances that a "fringe" player will have a breakout year due to injuries and would have been able to contribute to your season in a big way.

Why don't you post the trade in the Assistant Coach forum so we can see exactly what your thought process was and let you know if you are a shark or a guppy.

 

[Bevo]

I would not go so far as to say that trading a good player for multiple marginal players is ALWAYS bad. OTOH, I can't remember the last time that I did so. In the important, to me, leagues that I play in it is almost impossible to find someone that will take a bushel of chaff for even one grain of wheat. Marginal players are typically easy to find, good players not so much.

 

[Rovers]

Studs are what wins championships. I will always (almost ) trade depth for solid starters/studs. For instance, in a start 3 LB league, I want my top three LB's to be top twenty or better players. Then a couple of marginal players for depth, like a Hobson type. Quality over quantity.

 

[stevegamer]

I'd rather have the fewer players who will be more certain producers. Generally the guys I'd be cutting I'm not too sure on anyway, so I will gladly deal them.

 

[lions327]

Studs are what wins championships. I will always (almost ) trade depth for solid starters/studs. For instance, in a start 3 LB league, I want my top three LB's to be top twenty or better players. Then a couple of marginal players for depth, like a Hobson type. Quality over quantity.

 

[BoneYardDog]

Put exact trade and reasons I made it in the Assistant Coach forum for you to look at if you so desire.

Any and all input is appreciated. I will consider it a learning experience.

Many for few trade

 

[GrandpaRox]

Followed your link and your reasoning. Looks like a positive way to cut your roster

Did you try other trades, you did give a lot of players

Jason Taylor is no spring chicken and am not sure when he will fall off, but you should get at least a couple of good years out of him

I don't know much about Hope other than he is but he is highly rated by Jene

It looks like this worked in this case but you need to have the roster to move so many players, not sure if it would work in most cases

How did you get so many draft picks?